Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Phpster wrote: Sorry for top posting, but here goes... Stopping third party js from running on the client will never happen. If so, you just killed your servers thru put in attempting to handle things like google maps, google analytics and other fun things coming out of companies like that (

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Phpster
Sorry for top posting, but here goes... Stopping third party js from running on the client will never happen. If so, you just killed your servers thru put in attempting to handle things like google maps, google analytics and other fun things coming out of companies like that ( google, zoho

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Bob McConnell wrote: However, don't limit it to classes. There are enough non-OO people that collections of usable function libraries should also be worth assembling. I would also suggest including unit test fixtures and utilities in any collection. Bob McConnell Most functions can be wrappe

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Daniel Kolbo wrote: P.P.P.S. What might be nice is to have an online repository of "PHP community approved" classes, then programmers could mix and match 'modules' as needed...well now I am sounding like that snake oil salesman. There is a php class web site that focuses on OO programm

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Michael A. Peters
Sancar Saran wrote: Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will take html generation jobs from server side. No it won't. People are getting sick and tired of allowing third scripts to modify the DOM - browsers are

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Bob McConnell
From: Daniel Kolbo > > P.P.P.S. What might be nice is to have an online repository of "PHP > community approved" classes, then programmers could mix and match > 'modules' as needed...well now I am sounding like that snake oil salesman. You mean something like CPAN over in the Perl arena? Or som

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Sancar Saran
On Monday 23 March 2009 16:24:55 Robert Cummings wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 15:58 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: > > On Monday 23 March 2009 12:33:58 Robert Cummings wrote: > > > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: > > > > Probably a bit off topic and > > > > > > > > The Game is

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 10:43 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 10:24 AM -0400 3/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: > > > >My point is, just because new techniques and technoloigies > >come out, is in no way a boundary condition on an existing technology's > >lifespan or efficacy in any particular environment. The

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread haliphax
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:11 AM, tedd wrote: > At 10:50 AM -0400 3/23/09, Bastien Koert wrote: >> >> Tedd, >> >> JS has been running on MS servers for a long time. It was always viewes as >> an acceptable replacement for vbscript. > > Well -- that's been my fear. I think that M$ is trying to get

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread tedd
At 10:50 AM -0400 3/23/09, Bastien Koert wrote: Tedd, JS has been running on MS servers for a long time. It was always viewes as an acceptable replacement for vbscript. Well -- that's been my fear. I think that M$ is trying to get it's foot into this so they can charge for it -- similar to t

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Bastien Koert
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Shawn McKenzie wrote: > Arno Kuhl wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Sancar Saran [mailto:sancar.sa...@evodot.com] > > Sent: 23 March 2009 11:52 AM > > To: php-general@lists.php.net > > Subject: Re: [PHP] Framework

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Arno Kuhl wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Sancar Saran [mailto:sancar.sa...@evodot.com] > Sent: 23 March 2009 11:52 AM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? > > Probably a bit off topic and > > The Game is over man.

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Arno Kuhl
-Original Message- From: Sancar Saran [mailto:sancar.sa...@evodot.com] Sent: 23 March 2009 11:52 AM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Jesse.Hazen
@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate? 2009/3/23 tedd : > However, I have heard of "new" javascript being run server-side. What's the > likelihood of that "catching on" and surpassing php? http://aptana.com/jaxer I really like the idea, but I'm

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Bastien Koert
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM, tedd wrote: > At 10:24 AM -0400 3/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: > >> >> My point is, just because new techniques and technoloigies >> come out, is in no way a boundary condition on an existing technology's >> lifespan or efficacy in any particular environment. Th

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Stuart
2009/3/23 tedd : > However, I have heard of "new" javascript being run server-side. What's the > likelihood of that "catching on" and surpassing php? http://aptana.com/jaxer I really like the idea, but I'm yet to have a good reason to try it. If you're starting from scratch it has the advantage o

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread tedd
At 10:24 AM -0400 3/23/09, Robert Cummings wrote: My point is, just because new techniques and technoloigies come out, is in no way a boundary condition on an existing technology's lifespan or efficacy in any particular environment. The deprecation of usefulness of any technology is based on man

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 15:58 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: > On Monday 23 March 2009 12:33:58 Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: > > > Probably a bit off topic and > > > > > > The Game is over man. > > > > > > Javascript coming with flank speed. Next gener

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Sancar Saran
On Monday 23 March 2009 12:33:58 Robert Cummings wrote: > On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: > > Probably a bit off topic and > > > > The Game is over man. > > > > Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will > > take html generation jobs from server sid

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:52 +0200, Sancar Saran wrote: > Probably a bit off topic and > > The Game is over man. > > Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will take > html generation jobs from server side. > > Whole thing of Server Side MVC and other yada yada was beca

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-23 Thread Sancar Saran
Probably a bit off topic and The Game is over man. Javascript coming with flank speed. Next generation JS Framworks will take html generation jobs from server side. Whole thing of Server Side MVC and other yada yada was became joke. Those server siders become JSON pushers for JS frameworks. A

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-22 Thread Daniel Kolbo
Marc Christopher Hall wrote: My personal take on this goes something like this: I'm not a huge fan of re-inventing the wheel. However, it seems that since the first stable release of PHP 5 into the wild a much needed emphasis has been placed on OOP solutions within the PHP world. Don't read me

RE: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-22 Thread Marc Christopher Hall
My personal take on this goes something like this: I'm not a huge fan of re-inventing the wheel. However, it seems that since the first stable release of PHP 5 into the wild a much needed emphasis has been placed on OOP solutions within the PHP world. Don't read me wrong, I know the importance was

Re: [PHP] Frameworks / obstinate?

2009-03-22 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 10:54 -1000, Daniel Kolbo wrote: > > Hello, > > I changed the subject because I did not want to steal Nitsan's thread. I hope you started a "New" email and didn't just change the subject... otherwise you've hijacked the thread. I can't tell I keep threading off. > There see