Re: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend?
On 11/9/2009 11:42 PM, Ali Asghar Toraby Parizy wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Martin Scottawrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Arno Kuhl wrote: -Original Message- From: Dave M G [mailto:mar...@autotelic.com] Sent: 09 November 2009 05:36 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend? PHP List, I won't go into a big rant about Zend, and instead simply say that while I was using Zend Studio to debug PHP pages since version 5.0. I was never really all that happy with it. It seemed to be the most complete debugging environment for PHP, so I put up with it. I will say that the Studio installation procedure has got better, but setting up a reliable debugging server has not. Now, the current version of Zend Studio (7.0) is based on Eclipse (I think since v6.0), and so I'm just not sure what I'm paying for anymore. Aptana Studio, also based on Eclipse has pretty much the exact same interface and can even connect to a Zend server. Since one of those is free, I can't see why I wouldn't switch. The issue for me is that paying for Zend hasn't really saved me much hassle, so even if Aptana has difficulties, at least they are free difficulties. The main failing point, so far as I can see, of Aptana/Xdebug, is a lack of good, clear, documentation (also note that Zend doesn't have great documentation either). Especially on how to set it up. I was wondering if anyone has used it and could provide a link or instructions on how to get the debugging environment up and running. Or, equally as valuable, would be recommendations on other debugging environments. The key is finding one that has a clear set of instructions for how to set it up (On Ubuntu/Debian Linux with a local LAMP server.) Thanks for any advice. Dave M G -- Dave, take a look at PhpED from Nusphere. I've used the Windows version very happily for the last 6 years. There is a Linux version but I haven't tried it so can't comment - from the forum I gather that most users use the Windows version. Debugging in PhpED is brilliant, but so is the rest of the IDE. I also looked at Zend Studio every now and then over the last few years to see how it was progressing, but wasn't that impressed. Cheers Arno -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Why anyone needs to buy a IDE for develop PHP code? You can use any text editor. I use SciTE. It is free and open source. It does not provide any tool of any kind. It just allow me to write code, and that's all I need. Also there are a lot of tools for development. And IDE is just a fat text editor with lot of tools on it, and in some cases it can make your development slower. You can improve your development with a set of lightweight tools, this is the linux style. -- Martin Scotta What do you think IDE is? Do you think you can build a real commercial application without debugging and project management tools? Okay, before the answers deviate from the topic, a few quick personal pointers. --> Zend IDE's good, but as you mention not _worth_ the price. --> I use a number of editors based on which system I am using at the time, and they range from vim to NetBeans to EclipsePDT (and sometimes an unregistered demo version of Zend 7). --> I prefer NetBeans-PHP and have it configured with XDebug. The configuration's fairly simple and documentation can help you do in several steps. Please search on NetBeans portal for the same. IMHO, the same steps can be replicated for even an Eclipse based IDE. --Bipin Upadhyay. http://projectbee.org/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Martin Scotta wrote: > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Arno Kuhl wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dave M G [mailto:mar...@autotelic.com] > > Sent: 09 November 2009 05:36 PM > > To: php-general@lists.php.net > > Subject: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger > > recommendations besides Zend? > > > > PHP List, > > > > I won't go into a big rant about Zend, and instead simply say that while > I > > was using Zend Studio to debug PHP pages since version 5.0. I was never > > really all that happy with it. It seemed to be the most complete > debugging > > environment for PHP, so I put up with it. I will say that the Studio > > installation procedure has got better, but setting up a reliable > debugging > > server has not. > > > > Now, the current version of Zend Studio (7.0) is based on Eclipse (I > think > > since v6.0), and so I'm just not sure what I'm paying for anymore. > > Aptana Studio, also based on Eclipse has pretty much the exact same > > interface and can even connect to a Zend server. > > > > Since one of those is free, I can't see why I wouldn't switch. The issue > > for > > me is that paying for Zend hasn't really saved me much hassle, so even if > > Aptana has difficulties, at least they are free difficulties. > > > > The main failing point, so far as I can see, of Aptana/Xdebug, is a lack > of > > good, clear, documentation (also note that Zend doesn't have great > > documentation either). Especially on how to set it up. > > > > I was wondering if anyone has used it and could provide a link or > > instructions on how to get the debugging environment up and running. > > > > Or, equally as valuable, would be recommendations on other debugging > > environments. The key is finding one that has a clear set of instructions > > for how to set it up (On Ubuntu/Debian Linux with a local LAMP server.) > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > Dave M G > > -- > > > > Dave, take a look at PhpED from Nusphere. I've used the Windows version > > very > > happily for the last 6 years. There is a Linux version but I haven't > tried > > it so can't comment - from the forum I gather that most users use the > > Windows version. Debugging in PhpED is brilliant, but so is the rest of > the > > IDE. I also looked at Zend Studio every now and then over the last few > > years > > to see how it was progressing, but wasn't that impressed. > > > > Cheers > > Arno > > > > > > > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > Why anyone needs to buy a IDE for develop PHP code? > > You can use any text editor. > > I use SciTE. It is free and open source. > It does not provide any tool of any kind. It just allow me to write code, > and that's all I need. > > Also there are a lot of tools for development. > And IDE is just a fat text editor with lot of tools on it, and in some > cases > it can make your development slower. > > You can improve your development with a set of lightweight tools, this is > the linux style. > > -- > Martin Scotta > What do you think IDE is? Do you think you can build a real commercial application without debugging and project management tools?
Re: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Arno Kuhl wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Dave M G [mailto:mar...@autotelic.com] > Sent: 09 November 2009 05:36 PM > To: php-general@lists.php.net > Subject: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger > recommendations besides Zend? > > PHP List, > > I won't go into a big rant about Zend, and instead simply say that while I > was using Zend Studio to debug PHP pages since version 5.0. I was never > really all that happy with it. It seemed to be the most complete debugging > environment for PHP, so I put up with it. I will say that the Studio > installation procedure has got better, but setting up a reliable debugging > server has not. > > Now, the current version of Zend Studio (7.0) is based on Eclipse (I think > since v6.0), and so I'm just not sure what I'm paying for anymore. > Aptana Studio, also based on Eclipse has pretty much the exact same > interface and can even connect to a Zend server. > > Since one of those is free, I can't see why I wouldn't switch. The issue > for > me is that paying for Zend hasn't really saved me much hassle, so even if > Aptana has difficulties, at least they are free difficulties. > > The main failing point, so far as I can see, of Aptana/Xdebug, is a lack of > good, clear, documentation (also note that Zend doesn't have great > documentation either). Especially on how to set it up. > > I was wondering if anyone has used it and could provide a link or > instructions on how to get the debugging environment up and running. > > Or, equally as valuable, would be recommendations on other debugging > environments. The key is finding one that has a clear set of instructions > for how to set it up (On Ubuntu/Debian Linux with a local LAMP server.) > > Thanks for any advice. > > Dave M G > -- > > Dave, take a look at PhpED from Nusphere. I've used the Windows version > very > happily for the last 6 years. There is a Linux version but I haven't tried > it so can't comment - from the forum I gather that most users use the > Windows version. Debugging in PhpED is brilliant, but so is the rest of the > IDE. I also looked at Zend Studio every now and then over the last few > years > to see how it was progressing, but wasn't that impressed. > > Cheers > Arno > > > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Why anyone needs to buy a IDE for develop PHP code? You can use any text editor. I use SciTE. It is free and open source. It does not provide any tool of any kind. It just allow me to write code, and that's all I need. Also there are a lot of tools for development. And IDE is just a fat text editor with lot of tools on it, and in some cases it can make your development slower. You can improve your development with a set of lightweight tools, this is the linux style. -- Martin Scotta
RE: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend?
-Original Message- From: Dave M G [mailto:mar...@autotelic.com] Sent: 09 November 2009 05:36 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend? PHP List, I won't go into a big rant about Zend, and instead simply say that while I was using Zend Studio to debug PHP pages since version 5.0. I was never really all that happy with it. It seemed to be the most complete debugging environment for PHP, so I put up with it. I will say that the Studio installation procedure has got better, but setting up a reliable debugging server has not. Now, the current version of Zend Studio (7.0) is based on Eclipse (I think since v6.0), and so I'm just not sure what I'm paying for anymore. Aptana Studio, also based on Eclipse has pretty much the exact same interface and can even connect to a Zend server. Since one of those is free, I can't see why I wouldn't switch. The issue for me is that paying for Zend hasn't really saved me much hassle, so even if Aptana has difficulties, at least they are free difficulties. The main failing point, so far as I can see, of Aptana/Xdebug, is a lack of good, clear, documentation (also note that Zend doesn't have great documentation either). Especially on how to set it up. I was wondering if anyone has used it and could provide a link or instructions on how to get the debugging environment up and running. Or, equally as valuable, would be recommendations on other debugging environments. The key is finding one that has a clear set of instructions for how to set it up (On Ubuntu/Debian Linux with a local LAMP server.) Thanks for any advice. Dave M G -- Dave, take a look at PhpED from Nusphere. I've used the Windows version very happily for the last 6 years. There is a Linux version but I haven't tried it so can't comment - from the forum I gather that most users use the Windows version. Debugging in PhpED is brilliant, but so is the rest of the IDE. I also looked at Zend Studio every now and then over the last few years to see how it was progressing, but wasn't that impressed. Cheers Arno -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
[PHP] Anyone using Aptana and Xdebug? Or other debugger recommendations besides Zend?
PHP List, I won't go into a big rant about Zend, and instead simply say that while I was using Zend Studio to debug PHP pages since version 5.0. I was never really all that happy with it. It seemed to be the most complete debugging environment for PHP, so I put up with it. I will say that the Studio installation procedure has got better, but setting up a reliable debugging server has not. Now, the current version of Zend Studio (7.0) is based on Eclipse (I think since v6.0), and so I'm just not sure what I'm paying for anymore. Aptana Studio, also based on Eclipse has pretty much the exact same interface and can even connect to a Zend server. Since one of those is free, I can't see why I wouldn't switch. The issue for me is that paying for Zend hasn't really saved me much hassle, so even if Aptana has difficulties, at least they are free difficulties. The main failing point, so far as I can see, of Aptana/Xdebug, is a lack of good, clear, documentation (also note that Zend doesn't have great documentation either). Especially on how to set it up. I was wondering if anyone has used it and could provide a link or instructions on how to get the debugging environment up and running. Or, equally as valuable, would be recommendations on other debugging environments. The key is finding one that has a clear set of instructions for how to set it up (On Ubuntu/Debian Linux with a local LAMP server.) Thanks for any advice. -- Dave M G -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
