Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-05 Thread Lester Caine

Matijn Woudt wrote:

Yeah, it's been such a pain, as nobody over here is quite sure how the
  hell it'll be enforced either, or if it even will be. It's also pretty
  vague as to just where the line gets drawn. The official government
  sites on this are pretty black and white, but don't clearly address the
  grey areas. I think this is definitely a case of the persons making the
  laws don't understand the technology involved, which sadly seems to be
  the case across a lot of tech laws being passed world-wide of late:(


Yep,  When this law was discussed, they were mostly talking about
completely banning cookies. Only later they figured out that there are
quite a few sites that can't live without cookies...


Cookies for shopping baskets got flagged up early on and then people started to 
realise that there were more good reasons for using the than bad ;)
The main 'grey' area is a session cookie which classified along with shopping 
basket ones - which don't need specific permission - but then we are told we 
should still ask? But we don't need to ask about shopping basket ones!


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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-05 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
 
 There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential cookies 
 opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

What's a non-essential cookie?

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-05 Thread Tedd Sperling
On Jun 4, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
 
 Yeah, it's been such a pain, as nobody over here is quite sure how the
 hell it'll be enforced either, or if it even will be. It's also pretty
 vague as to just where the line gets drawn. The official government
 sites on this are pretty black and white, but don't clearly address the
 grey areas. I think this is definitely a case of the persons making the
 laws don't understand the technology involved, which sadly seems to be
 the case across a lot of tech laws being passed world-wide of late :(
 
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 Thanks,
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This is what I put on my site to address the Cookie issue:

http://sperling.com/contact.php

Do you think it would be enough?

Cheers,

tedd


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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-05 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote:
 On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:21 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote:

 There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential cookies 
 opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

 What's a non-essential cookie?

 Cheers,

 tedd

A cookie that can be removed without the site loosing essential functionality.


On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 9:20 PM, Tedd Sperling t...@sperling.com wrote:
 On Jun 4, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Ashley Sheridan wrote:

 Yeah, it's been such a pain, as nobody over here is quite sure how the
 hell it'll be enforced either, or if it even will be. It's also pretty
 vague as to just where the line gets drawn. The official government
 sites on this are pretty black and white, but don't clearly address the
 grey areas. I think this is definitely a case of the persons making the
 laws don't understand the technology involved, which sadly seems to be
 the case across a lot of tech laws being passed world-wide of late :(

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 Thanks,
 Ash

 This is what I put on my site to address the Cookie issue:

 http://sperling.com/contact.php

 Do you think it would be enough?

 Cheers,

 tedd


If the cookie is non-essential, you also need an option to 'opt-out'.

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-04 Thread Lester Caine

Ashley Sheridan wrote:


Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk  wrote:


Ashley Sheridan wrote:

How is Google Chrome a bigger security risk than the other popular

browsers, Fx and IE?


I was under the impression it was more secure than either of those.


License Conditions ... They may have removed the original landgrab
section, but
there is still a potential for Google to gather private information and
this is
an unacceptable risk when dealing with customers who deal with
sensitive private
data.

In addition, intrusive advertising has no place in public service
systems anyway
... Google maps and the like are similarly inappropriate since using
them allows
Google to track material that IS also sensitive. It is THIS tracking
that the
'cookie law' was supposed to address, but the problem sites are not
even covered
by it ... WE are if we link to uncontrolled sites and services.



Ok, but don't confuse the browser with the services Google offers. The two are 
very separate, and its confusing to mention the services in an argument about 
the browser.


I'm just working to rules that are applied to me by the security departments of 
the customers *I* am dealing with. While you might think that there should be a 
distinct separation between the two areas, the recent 'rationalisation' of 
Google privacy notices eroded that separation again ... Google can do what they 
like and can change the rules again when they see fit.


We are at a point where the 'cookies' laws have become a requirement simply to 
ensure that we KNOW what is being gathered and why.


The question I asked in an earlier thread has not had an answer ... are there 
any good open source add-ins for php that allow us to manage this area in Europe?


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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-04 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 1:09 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:
 Ashley Sheridan wrote:

 How is Google Chrome a bigger security risk than the other popular
 browsers, Fx and IE?

 I was under the impression it was more secure than either of those.


 License Conditions ... They may have removed the original landgrab section,
 but there is still a potential for Google to gather private information and
 this is an unacceptable risk when dealing with customers who deal with
 sensitive private data.

 In addition, intrusive advertising has no place in public service systems
 anyway ... Google maps and the like are similarly inappropriate since using
 them allows Google to track material that IS also sensitive. It is THIS
 tracking that the 'cookie law' was supposed to address, but the problem
 sites are not even covered by it ... WE are if we link to uncontrolled sites
 and services.


I wonder what browser you're using. I just read the IE10 privacy
policy, and it pretty much states the same, Microsoft can collect
private data from you. Opera, Firefox and Safari probably have
something similar.

You're probably better off being worried about the Google services,
though the same applies probably to the Bing en Yahoo search engines.
And you don't think that Bing Maps collects data about you?

Please don't forget that it is the advertising market that brought us
the free (in cash) internet. With the help of cookies giving us better
ads, the free internet has grown. People need to chill down a bit
about their privacy online. In the end, probably the only real danger
of your own privacy is your own facebook, myspace, google+, twitter,
linkedin, ... profile.

And last but not least, your personal information is probably at a lot
more places than the internet, quite a few stores have things like
membership cards, and guess what, they track you there. They know
exactly what you bought etc. And for example, here in the Netherlands,
we have a new public transportation system, called the 'OV-chipkaart',
which is basically a RFID card. There exists 2 types, anonymous and a
personal one. Now they can happily track where we are going with the
public transportation.

Personally, I find those last thing much worse than Google collecting
my search actions.

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-04 Thread Lester Caine

Matijn Woudt wrote:

I wonder what browser you're using. I just read the IE10 privacy
policy, and it pretty much states the same, Microsoft can collect
private data from you. Opera, Firefox and Safari probably have
something similar.


Seamonkey ... on Linux
Still prefer a proper internet suit so I can simply open tabs from email links 
and compose html in-line as required.


But the point I was making was that I am restricted from linking to Google by my 
customers rules as it's considered a 'security risk' to sensitive personal data. 
We use OSM nowadays for mapping, and any site search is private to the server, 
not using the 'free' search services. If my actions fail a security audit I have 
to amend them ...


I had managed to avoid all of the 'social media' services, but am now having to 
'participate' simple to check out what cookies they are setting on sites that 
are not affected by security restrictions ...


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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-04 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 10:21:21PM +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote:

 
 
 Al n...@ridersite.org wrote:
 
 Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your
 experience these days.
 
 I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of
 appending it to the URL is a security issue.
 
 I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all
 the pages needing it.
 
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 There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential
 cookies opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

Good lord. I'm glad the U.S. Congress has not gotten together to pass
laws about how we build websites here. I'm not sure I could take
less-than-bright government bureaucrats telling me how to do the job of
programming. No offense, Ash, but you can keep your parliament.

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-04 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 17:53 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 10:21:21PM +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote:
 
  
  
  Al n...@ridersite.org wrote:
  
  Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your
  experience these days.
  
  I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of
  appending it to the URL is a security issue.
  
  I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all
  the pages needing it.
  
  Al
  
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  There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential
  cookies opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.
 
 Good lord. I'm glad the U.S. Congress has not gotten together to pass
 laws about how we build websites here. I'm not sure I could take
 less-than-bright government bureaucrats telling me how to do the job of
 programming. No offense, Ash, but you can keep your parliament.
 
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Yeah, it's been such a pain, as nobody over here is quite sure how the
hell it'll be enforced either, or if it even will be. It's also pretty
vague as to just where the line gets drawn. The official government
sites on this are pretty black and white, but don't clearly address the
grey areas. I think this is definitely a case of the persons making the
laws don't understand the technology involved, which sadly seems to be
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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-04 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Ashley Sheridan
a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:
 On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 17:53 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote:

 On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 10:21:21PM +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote:

 
 
  Al n...@ridersite.org wrote:
 
  Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your
  experience these days.
  
  I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of
  appending it to the URL is a security issue.
  
  I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all
  the pages needing it.
  
  Al
  
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  There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential
  cookies opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

 Good lord. I'm glad the U.S. Congress has not gotten together to pass
 laws about how we build websites here. I'm not sure I could take
 less-than-bright government bureaucrats telling me how to do the job of
 programming. No offense, Ash, but you can keep your parliament.

 Paul

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 Yeah, it's been such a pain, as nobody over here is quite sure how the
 hell it'll be enforced either, or if it even will be. It's also pretty
 vague as to just where the line gets drawn. The official government
 sites on this are pretty black and white, but don't clearly address the
 grey areas. I think this is definitely a case of the persons making the
 laws don't understand the technology involved, which sadly seems to be
 the case across a lot of tech laws being passed world-wide of late :(


Yep,  When this law was discussed, they were mostly talking about
completely banning cookies. Only later they figured out that there are
quite a few sites that can't live without cookies...

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[PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Al

Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your experience these 
days.

I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of appending it 
to the URL is a security issue.


I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all the pages 
needing it.


Al

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Ashley Sheridan


Al n...@ridersite.org wrote:

Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your experience
these days.

I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of
appending it
to the URL is a security issue.

I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all the
pages
needing it.

Al

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There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential cookies 
opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

That said, session cookies are a bit of a grey area. If your site relies on 
them to function, then they're ok. If they're used purely for tracking, they 
need to be made opt-in. Everything between is, like I said, grey.

Thanks,
Ash
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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Ashley Sheridan
a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:


 Al n...@ridersite.org wrote:

Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your experience
these days.

I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of
appending it
to the URL is a security issue.

I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all the
pages
needing it.

Al

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 There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential cookies 
 opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

 That said, session cookies are a bit of a grey area. If your site relies on 
 them to function, then they're ok. If they're used purely for tracking, they 
 need to be made opt-in. Everything between is, like I said, grey.

 Thanks,
 Ash
 http://ashleysheridan.co.uk


A little correction on the above: This law applies to the whole EU, not only UK.

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Ashley Sheridan


Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Ashley Sheridan
a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:


 Al n...@ridersite.org wrote:

Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your
experience
these days.

I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of
appending it
to the URL is a security issue.

I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all
the
pages
needing it.

Al

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 There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential
cookies opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

 That said, session cookies are a bit of a grey area. If your site
relies on them to function, then they're ok. If they're used purely for
tracking, they need to be made opt-in. Everything between is, like I
said, grey.

 Thanks,
 Ash
 http://ashleysheridan.co.uk


A little correction on the above: This law applies to the whole EU, not
only UK.

- Matijn

Oh, my bad!

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Matijn Woudt
On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:26 PM, Matijn Woudt tijn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Ashley Sheridan
 a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote:


 Al n...@ridersite.org wrote:

Disabled cookies use to be a problem years ago.  What's your experience
these days.

I need it for my session ID. As I read the docs, the old method of
appending it
to the URL is a security issue.

I can obviously save the ID in a temp file which can be read by all the
pages
needing it.

Al

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 There is a new law been passed in the UK that makes non-essential cookies 
 opt-in only, so you must get permission in order to use them.

 That said, session cookies are a bit of a grey area. If your site relies on 
 them to function, then they're ok. If they're used purely for tracking, they 
 need to be made opt-in. Everything between is, like I said, grey.

 Thanks,
 Ash
 http://ashleysheridan.co.uk


 A little correction on the above: This law applies to the whole EU, not only 
 UK.

 - Matijn

BTW, There's a website [1] that has all the information and even a
tool for checking what your site does with cookies.

- Matijn

[1] http://www.cookielaw.org/

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Lester Caine

Matijn Woudt wrote:

BTW, There's a website [1] that has all the information and even a
tool for checking what your site does with cookies.

- Matijn

[1]http://www.cookielaw.org/


Which fails at the first security hurdle!
It requires Google Chrome, which is bigger black hole as far as my customers are 
concerned.


http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/privacy_and_electronic_communications/the_guide/cookies.aspx 
is perhaps the best guidance for UK users ... currently.


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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Ashley Sheridan


Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

Matijn Woudt wrote:
 BTW, There's a website [1] that has all the information and even a
 tool for checking what your site does with cookies.

 - Matijn

 [1]http://www.cookielaw.org/

Which fails at the first security hurdle!
It requires Google Chrome, which is bigger black hole as far as my
customers are
concerned.

http://www.ico.gov.uk/for_organisations/privacy_and_electronic_communications/the_guide/cookies.aspx

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How is Google Chrome a bigger security risk than the other popular browsers, Fx 
and IE?

I was under the impression it was more secure than either of those.

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Lester Caine

Ashley Sheridan wrote:

How is Google Chrome a bigger security risk than the other popular browsers, Fx 
and IE?

I was under the impression it was more secure than either of those.


License Conditions ... They may have removed the original landgrab section, but 
there is still a potential for Google to gather private information and this is 
an unacceptable risk when dealing with customers who deal with sensitive private 
data.


In addition, intrusive advertising has no place in public service systems anyway 
... Google maps and the like are similarly inappropriate since using them allows 
Google to track material that IS also sensitive. It is THIS tracking that the 
'cookie law' was supposed to address, but the problem sites are not even covered 
by it ... WE are if we link to uncontrolled sites and services.


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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies

2012-06-03 Thread Ashley Sheridan


Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

Ashley Sheridan wrote:
 How is Google Chrome a bigger security risk than the other popular
browsers, Fx and IE?

 I was under the impression it was more secure than either of those.

License Conditions ... They may have removed the original landgrab
section, but
there is still a potential for Google to gather private information and
this is
an unacceptable risk when dealing with customers who deal with
sensitive private
data.

In addition, intrusive advertising has no place in public service
systems anyway
... Google maps and the like are similarly inappropriate since using
them allows
Google to track material that IS also sensitive. It is THIS tracking
that the
'cookie law' was supposed to address, but the problem sites are not
even covered
by it ... WE are if we link to uncontrolled sites and services.

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Ok, but don't confuse the browser with the services Google offers. The two are 
very separate, and its confusing to mention the services in an argument about 
the browser.

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies and sessions

2002-06-08 Thread Nick Wilson

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* and then Chris Sechiatano declared
 You have to code the PHPSESSID into your URL if your browser has cookies
 disabled or else it won't work.

No. As I said, i have php compiled with --enable-trans-sid

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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies and sessions

2002-06-08 Thread Giancarlo Pinerolo

Nick Wilson wrote:
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 * and then Chris Sechiatano declared
  You have to code the PHPSESSID into your URL if your browser has cookies
  disabled or else it won't work.
 
 No. As I said, i have php compiled with --enable-trans-sid
 

Php session work differently from PHPLIB.
PHPLIB will generate a session, if no cookie and no SID in URL is found,
then append it to the URL and redirect you there. In this situation,
phplib used to accept and adopt any SID in the url, if there was one.
Now no more: phplib will accept a session in the url only if it exists.

PHP session don't quite work the same. if no cookie nor SID in url, you
have to provide it in the URL, and it will be the session. In fact, if
you provide it in the url, it will adopt it and create it even if you
have cookies enabled! Great feature for spies.

Gian


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[PHP] disabled cookies and sessions

2002-06-07 Thread Nick Wilson

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Hi everyone

I have compiled php with --enable-trans-sid but when I diable cookies on
my brower (Mozilla 1) the obeject I'm trying to pass (eg: its
properties) are not bein passed.

I've used sessions a lot so I'm sure it's not my php at fault but
something is eluding me? Any help much appreciated.

Cheers
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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies and sessions

2002-06-07 Thread Glenn Sieb

On 06:33 PM 6/7/2002 +0200, Nick Wilson wrote:
I have compiled php with --enable-trans-sid but when I diable cookies on
my brower (Mozilla 1) the obeject I'm trying to pass (eg: its
properties) are not bein passed.

I've used sessions a lot so I'm sure it's not my php at fault but
something is eluding me? Any help much appreciated.

Sessions are cookies.

Glenn


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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies and sessions

2002-06-07 Thread Nick Wilson

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* and then Glenn Sieb declared
 I have compiled php with --enable-trans-sid but when I diable cookies on
 my brower (Mozilla 1) the obeject I'm trying to pass (eg: its
 properties) are not bein passed.
 
 I've used sessions a lot so I'm sure it's not my php at fault but
 something is eluding me? Any help much appreciated.
 
 Sessions are cookies.

Yes, but they get passed via the host machine and propagated using the
PHPSESSID=sdlkff thingy in the url. That's the point, sessions are
supposed to be independent of weather the user has disabled cookies.
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Re: [PHP] disabled cookies and sessions

2002-06-07 Thread Chris Sechiatano

You have to code the PHPSESSID into your URL if your browser has cookies
disabled or else it won't work.

On Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 06:57:31PM +0200, Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 * and then Glenn Sieb declared
  I have compiled php with --enable-trans-sid but when I diable cookies on
  my brower (Mozilla 1) the obeject I'm trying to pass (eg: its
  properties) are not bein passed.
  
  I've used sessions a lot so I'm sure it's not my php at fault but
  something is eluding me? Any help much appreciated.
  
  Sessions are cookies.
 
 Yes, but they get passed via the host machine and propagated using the
 PHPSESSID=sdlkff thingy in the url. That's the point, sessions are
 supposed to be independent of weather the user has disabled cookies.
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