Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Eric Butera wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Nathan Nobbe > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Eric Butera > wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > >> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 18:36, Nathan Nobbe > >> > wrote: > >> >> Hi gang, > >> >> > >> >> Thinking database i/o would be the slowest part of a request in your > >> >> new zf > >> >> / amf app? > >> >> > >> >> Leave it to Zend_Amf to burn more cycles marshaling the protocol! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/quickshiftin/?action=view¤t=ScreenShot2011-10-24at74724PM.png > >> > > >> >Ends up looking startlingly like the original Sim City. > >> > > >> > -- > >> > > >> > Network Infrastructure Manager > >> > http://www.php.net/ > >> > > >> > -- > >> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > >> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >> > > >> > > >> > >> kcachegrind is great. > >> > >> SimCity is great! Just the other day I was thinking about that > >> soundtrack it played over the PC speaker, hilarious. > > > > Agreed, the only thing that isn't great in this context .. Zend_Amf, > haha! > > -nathan > > > > I saw your post on that the other day - looks like there's a native > php extension you might look into. The author was quite proud of the > hasty response it was capable of, going as far as to say his library > was faster than flash can decode it. > Yeah, I got it built under php 5.3, it rips. Funny thing is amfphp has a userpace serializer of it's own and it of course takes less time than db i/o. Dropping in the extension takes the time spent serializing down to practically nothing. Suffice it to say we'll be migrating to the extension on subsequent revision of the project I alluded to. Also, the more I use zf, the less I like, lol. Look at this line from the documentation - Fools! "Zend_Server_Interface provides an interface that mimics PHP 5's SoapServer class; all server classes should implement this interface in order to provide a standard server API." -nathan
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Eric Butera wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: >> > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 18:36, Nathan Nobbe >> > wrote: >> >> Hi gang, >> >> >> >> Thinking database i/o would be the slowest part of a request in your >> >> new zf >> >> / amf app? >> >> >> >> Leave it to Zend_Amf to burn more cycles marshaling the protocol! >> >> >> >> >> >> http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/quickshiftin/?action=view¤t=ScreenShot2011-10-24at74724PM.png >> > >> > Ends up looking startlingly like the original Sim City. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Network Infrastructure Manager >> > http://www.php.net/ >> > >> > -- >> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php >> > >> > >> >> kcachegrind is great. >> >> SimCity is great! Just the other day I was thinking about that >> soundtrack it played over the PC speaker, hilarious. > > Agreed, the only thing that isn't great in this context .. Zend_Amf, haha! > -nathan > I saw your post on that the other day - looks like there's a native php extension you might look into. The author was quite proud of the hasty response it was capable of, going as far as to say his library was faster than flash can decode it. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Eric Butera wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 18:36, Nathan Nobbe > wrote: > >> Hi gang, > >> > >> Thinking database i/o would be the slowest part of a request in your new > zf > >> / amf app? > >> > >> Leave it to Zend_Amf to burn more cycles marshaling the protocol! > >> > >> > http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/quickshiftin/?action=view¤t=ScreenShot2011-10-24at74724PM.png > > > >Ends up looking startlingly like the original Sim City. > > > > -- > > > > Network Infrastructure Manager > > http://www.php.net/ > > > > -- > > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > > > > > kcachegrind is great. > > SimCity is great! Just the other day I was thinking about that > soundtrack it played over the PC speaker, hilarious. > Agreed, the only thing that isn't great in this context .. Zend_Amf, haha! -nathan
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 18:36, Nathan Nobbe wrote: >> Hi gang, >> >> Thinking database i/o would be the slowest part of a request in your new zf >> / amf app? >> >> Leave it to Zend_Amf to burn more cycles marshaling the protocol! >> >> http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/quickshiftin/?action=view¤t=ScreenShot2011-10-24at74724PM.png > > Ends up looking startlingly like the original Sim City. > > -- > > Network Infrastructure Manager > http://www.php.net/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > kcachegrind is great. SimCity is great! Just the other day I was thinking about that soundtrack it played over the PC speaker, hilarious. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 18:36, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > Hi gang, > > Thinking database i/o would be the slowest part of a request in your new zf > / amf app? > > Leave it to Zend_Amf to burn more cycles marshaling the protocol! > > http://s289.photobucket.com/albums/ll238/quickshiftin/?action=view¤t=ScreenShot2011-10-24at74724PM.png Ends up looking startlingly like the original Sim City. -- Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:51, Eric Butera wrote: >> >> Mr Brown, >> >> You're not going to try and pawn this thread off as the Friday >> Distraction, are you? > > No, I'm waiting for someone else to set themselves on fire in > front of the crowd of onlookers this week. > > My email this week would otherwise have been nothing but a picture > of a hydraulic jack, useful for lifting the respective rocks from > those who have been living beneath them. > > -- > > Network Infrastructure Manager > http://www.php.net/ > That doesn't sound controversial enough. :) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:51, Eric Butera wrote: > > Mr Brown, > > You're not going to try and pawn this thread off as the Friday > Distraction, are you? No, I'm waiting for someone else to set themselves on fire in front of the crowd of onlookers this week. My email this week would otherwise have been nothing but a picture of a hydraulic jack, useful for lifting the respective rocks from those who have been living beneath them. -- Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote >> On 28 Oct 2011, at 12:54, Daniel Brown wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 05:03, Adam Richardson wrote: Well, Daniel, I'll bet you never thought that your "Friday Distraction" would elicit such a broad range of responses AND keep the commentary coming right through to the next Friday. Nice :) >>> >>> This is nothing compared to how it used to be ~2007-08. ;-P >> >> Ahh, the "good old days"! > > To all: > > To me -- these ARE the "good old days". > > Even though the economy is in the dumpster, quantity of business is down, and > clients are harder to please, this time has presented me with more enjoyable > challenges than ~2007-8. Of course, this could be just me trying to keep > current with technology while not realizing I am falling behind. But, it > feels like things are better now -- sometimes ignorance is bliss. Strive to > be happy. > > Cheers, > > tedd > > _ > t...@sperling.com > http://sperling.com > > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > Mr Brown, You're not going to try and pawn this thread off as the Friday Distraction, are you? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Stuart Dallas wrote > On 28 Oct 2011, at 12:54, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 05:03, Adam Richardson wrote: >>> Well, Daniel, >>> I'll bet you never thought that your "Friday Distraction" would elicit such >>> a broad range of responses AND keep the commentary coming right through to >>> the next Friday. >>> Nice :) >> >> This is nothing compared to how it used to be ~2007-08. ;-P > > Ahh, the "good old days"! To all: To me -- these ARE the "good old days". Even though the economy is in the dumpster, quantity of business is down, and clients are harder to please, this time has presented me with more enjoyable challenges than ~2007-8. Of course, this could be just me trying to keep current with technology while not realizing I am falling behind. But, it feels like things are better now -- sometimes ignorance is bliss. Strive to be happy. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On 28 Oct 2011, at 12:54, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 05:03, Adam Richardson wrote: >> >> Well, Daniel, >> I'll bet you never thought that your "Friday Distraction" would elicit such >> a broad range of responses AND keep the commentary coming right through to >> the next Friday. >> Nice :) > >This is nothing compared to how it used to be ~2007-08. ;-P Ahh, the "good old days"! -Stuart -- Stuart Dallas 3ft9 Ltd http://3ft9.com/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 05:03, Adam Richardson wrote: > > Well, Daniel, > I'll bet you never thought that your "Friday Distraction" would elicit such > a broad range of responses AND keep the commentary coming right through to > the next Friday. > Nice :) This is nothing compared to how it used to be ~2007-08. ;-P -- Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Richard Quadling wrote: > On 21 October 2011 17:27, Daniel Brown wrote: > >I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with > > something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, > > try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). > > > >http://www.takethislollipop.com/ > > Sweet? SWEET!? What sort of sicko are you??? > > I've got a deranged nutter hunting me down. > > He looks a LOT like you > > > > > > Cool though. > > Well, Daniel, I'll bet you never thought that your "Friday Distraction" would elicit such a broad range of responses AND keep the commentary coming right through to the next Friday. Nice :) Adam -- Nephtali: A simple, flexible, fast, and security-focused PHP framework http://nephtaliproject.com
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On 21 October 2011 17:27, Daniel Brown wrote: > I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with > something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, > try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). > > http://www.takethislollipop.com/ Sweet? SWEET!? What sort of sicko are you??? I've got a deranged nutter hunting me down. He looks a LOT like you Cool though. -- Richard Quadling Twitter : EE : Zend : PHPDoc : Fantasy Shopper @RQuadling : e-e.com/M_248814.html : bit.ly/9O8vFY : bit.ly/lFnVea : fan.sh/6/370 -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Oct 23, 2011, at 9:38 PM, tamouse mailing lists wrote: >> >> http://reflectionbeads.com/i/design-your-own > > That's a very interesting site. Surprising that it doesn't use a lick > of PHP to do what it's doing, given what you wrote below. How do you know that? Just to be argumentative, the entire thing could have been written in PHP -- remember PHP can write Javascript. Additionally, I know that this company uses PHP/MySQL for their backend scripts -- because I've consulted for them. > Well, okay, PHP is all that and a bag of chips, but it's not the ONLY > player in this field. There are several languages that can do all that > PHP does, some more elligantly, others less so. But really, there is > *no* functionality in PHP that I haven't been able to also accomplish > in Ruby, Perl, C++, or Java. Not that I would necessarily pick those > languages over PHP for any given job. Perhaps, but I KNOW it can be done in PHP and means something to me. In addition, elegance is found in the skill of the programmer. Crap can be written in any language. > As for having PHP part of an IT cirriculum, I say RIGHT ON. A lot of > these students will be going off to doing things where they may be > asked to put together a web site for someone, and not knowing the > tools is going to be painful. There are so many people out there > hacking away at PHP and web sites that are doing a terrible job of it > having seen some GAWDAWFUL PHP in my day -- which is one thing PHP > more prone to than some of those other languages, by the way. But > teaching them programming *skills* and *knowledge* rather than just > how to rub two spoons together and swing a rubber chicken to get the > server going again is a lot more useful to them. "Spoons and Rubber Chickens" are better than some of the junk I've seen taught. As I've told my students, "I can teach you the basics, but the real teacher is you behind the keyboard." Cheers, tedd -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:43 PM, tamouse mailing lists < tamouse.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Christopher Lee > wrote: > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain > privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have > received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the > original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. > > Just wondering, who was the designated recipient here? What can I use > of this? I'm wondering what's privileged and proprietary and private > about a 3 line response to a world-wide mailing list? > > I'm always amused that people think that they can somehow enter an email recipient into a binding contract with a footer. Unless you hacked something to get that email, you don't *have *to do anything with it. -- --Zootboy Sent from my PC.
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Christopher Lee wrote: > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, > proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in > error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any > other use of the email by you is prohibited. Just wondering, who was the designated recipient here? What can I use of this? I'm wondering what's privileged and proprietary and private about a 3 line response to a world-wide mailing list? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > Personally, I find little interest in the new social media. In addition, I > often find it annoying and even presumptuous of people who post things and > in-turn expect me to acknowledge and respond to their post. It's like walking > down a crowded sidewalk and being required to say "Good Morning" to everyone > you meet. While it might be polite and politically correct, it's also a pain > in the ass and lacks honesty and purpose. > > I say, why not better focus your "Good Morning" to the old person sitting on > bench who is being ignored by all passersby? Your time/attention has worth, > use it wisely. So, is there something about social networks you don't get that you think you cannot do just that? There is really no social contract to respond to every post and prod from the social network. Many people are out there looking for an audience, many of them to sell something to you. Again, it's not necessary to say "hi" to everyone that's on the social network. I really think you have the wrong idea about these things. FB, G+, Twitter, and like before them Dreamwidth, Livejournal, they are places where people go to meet, and have a sense of community. But there's no obligation to listen or talk to anyone you don't want to, anytime you don't want to. These social networks aren't even as open as mailing lists, where you can't really control who gets on the mailing list and starts talking. At least with the social networks you get to pick and choose who you listen to, and many of them you're now able to pick and choosd who sees what you say. So, it's really *not* like walking down a crowded street at all where a bunch of random people are shouting "GOOD DAY,SIR!" at you and expecting a reply. It's a room full of people *you've* chosen to listen to. > [2] To me, uplifting and revolutionary code is simply re-inventing what's > current and making improvements in user interaction -- thereby expanding > programming into regions not yet touched. I've read much about the "mind v > machine" integration in countless books and actually seen this being > addressed in several different disciplines over the years -- to me, that is > exciting, uplifting, and revolutionary. > > Or example, just this morning, my wife (a jeweler) received this link: > > http://reflectionbeads.com/i/design-your-own That's a very interesting site. Surprising that it doesn't use a lick of PHP to do what it's doing, given what you wrote below. > Please review that link -- IMO, the people who designed that application have > their thumb on the pulse of their customers. > > So, my advice is to find something you like/know and make it easier for > others to use. This is indeed the essence of successful making. > In my recommendation to the College (where I teach) to include PHP in their > IT curriculum, I wrote (in part): > > -- quote -- > > The Internet is a World-wide phenomena that I need not expound upon other > than to say the knowledge of how to communicate effectively on the Internet > is a topic well worth the study. Internet communication is presented via Web > Sites and knowing how to create effective and useful Web Sites is the key to > successful Internet Businesses. > > A Web Site need not be a static billboard on the Internet highway trying to > snag passersby, but instead it can become a fully functional application for > users to use and find solutions for their problems and needs. Finding and > fulfilling customer's needs is what Business is about. The Internet provides > an opportunity for Service Providers to optimize their efforts in finding > customers. This presents an unequaled opportunity in sales and service. > > To properly use this new medium, Web Languages must be taught and mastered. > No single Web Language can fulfill all the needs of a fully functional Web > Site. Instead several languages must work in concert creating a symbiotic > relationship -- each language has its own scope, function, and limit. > > A Web Site is like a House: There is the basic frame -- the 2x4 framing, > flooring, rafters, siding, and roof. That's HTML (Hyper Text Markup > Language); There is the siding types, the color of the paint, the type of > flooring, and the general looks of the house. That's CSS (Cascading Style > Sheets); Then there is the plumbing, electrical wiring, furnace for heating, > and air-conditioning for cooling. That's PHP (Hypertext Preprocessor); Then > there is the operation of the house such as electrical switches, doors and > windows that open/close, faucets that turn on/off, air-conditioning and > furnace that turn on/off via switches. That's JavaScript; And finally, > there's the paperwork, such as the Deed, invoices, payments, etc, and the > place to store that data. That's MySQL (the database). > > Put all of those Languages together and you will have the workings of a fully > functional Web Site. > > While I say
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > >> I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with >> something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, >> try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). >> >> http://www.takethislollipop.com/ >> >> -- >> > > Not meaning to be ignorant, but why? > > What's the point here? > > I have grandkids and about a dozen other species of relatives/friends trying > to get me to do stuff (i.e., like/friend/post/reply/accept) on FaceBook et > al, but I don't see the point. It looks like a total waste of time. Why > should I care if someone post something on their FaceBook account? I would > rather spend my time programming, teaching programming, and reading about > programming. > > Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff. The *point* is to have a common area for communicating with various people. It's not like any of these services force you to listen to people you don't want to hear from. You get to pick who to listen to. If someone keeps sending you what they had for lunch, you can easily drop them. The plus side of FB for me is that's where my kids and family and friends hang out. That's why I'm there. As far as silly distractions like the above, well, those come in all shapes and sizes no matter where you go in life. It's like saying "I'm not going to use the library because they play silly games during kids time." The modus of talking about ourselves has changed from one-to-one to many-to-many, largely because of the web and it's ability to link people in many ways. It is most definitely less personal, you don't have crafted communication from one person to another very much any more. It's definitely not for everyone. Some people can't deal with crowds (either online or offline) and so will still opt for the crafted one-to-one correspondence. But from personal experience I know that more and more people are going to many-to-many route and to simply ignore it and "not get it" seems like a missed chance at learning something new. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Oct 21, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Christopher Lee wrote: > [1] Your naturalness is always endearing, even when you play grumpy. ;-) -snip- > [2] What does truly uplifting/evolutionary code look like anyway? Christopher: [1] Thanks (I think). Perceptions are just that -- I could be wrong or looking at this from the wrong perspective. I do know that many businesses are paying attention to social networks as fields for harvesting new customers -- in that respect I think social networks are worthy of consideration. Personally, I find little interest in the new social media. In addition, I often find it annoying and even presumptuous of people who post things and in-turn expect me to acknowledge and respond to their post. It's like walking down a crowded sidewalk and being required to say "Good Morning" to everyone you meet. While it might be polite and politically correct, it's also a pain in the ass and lacks honesty and purpose. I say, why not better focus your "Good Morning" to the old person sitting on bench who is being ignored by all passersby? Your time/attention has worth, use it wisely. [2] To me, uplifting and revolutionary code is simply re-inventing what's current and making improvements in user interaction -- thereby expanding programming into regions not yet touched. I've read much about the "mind v machine" integration in countless books and actually seen this being addressed in several different disciplines over the years -- to me, that is exciting, uplifting, and revolutionary. Or example, just this morning, my wife (a jeweler) received this link: http://reflectionbeads.com/i/design-your-own Please review that link -- IMO, the people who designed that application have their thumb on the pulse of their customers. So, my advice is to find something you like/know and make it easier for others to use. In my recommendation to the College (where I teach) to include PHP in their IT curriculum, I wrote (in part): -- quote -- The Internet is a World-wide phenomena that I need not expound upon other than to say the knowledge of how to communicate effectively on the Internet is a topic well worth the study. Internet communication is presented via Web Sites and knowing how to create effective and useful Web Sites is the key to successful Internet Businesses. A Web Site need not be a static billboard on the Internet highway trying to snag passersby, but instead it can become a fully functional application for users to use and find solutions for their problems and needs. Finding and fulfilling customer's needs is what Business is about. The Internet provides an opportunity for Service Providers to optimize their efforts in finding customers. This presents an unequaled opportunity in sales and service. To properly use this new medium, Web Languages must be taught and mastered. No single Web Language can fulfill all the needs of a fully functional Web Site. Instead several languages must work in concert creating a symbiotic relationship -- each language has its own scope, function, and limit. A Web Site is like a House: There is the basic frame -- the 2x4 framing, flooring, rafters, siding, and roof. That's HTML (Hyper Text Markup Language); There is the siding types, the color of the paint, the type of flooring, and the general looks of the house. That's CSS (Cascading Style Sheets); Then there is the plumbing, electrical wiring, furnace for heating, and air-conditioning for cooling. That's PHP (Hypertext Preprocessor); Then there is the operation of the house such as electrical switches, doors and windows that open/close, faucets that turn on/off, air-conditioning and furnace that turn on/off via switches. That's JavaScript; And finally, there's the paperwork, such as the Deed, invoices, payments, etc, and the place to store that data. That's MySQL (the database). Put all of those Languages together and you will have the workings of a fully functional Web Site. While I say that all languages should work together and none work in a vacuum, it is noteworthy to point out that only PHP can build, create, and use all of these languages. In other words, PHP (while serving it's own function) can create code and use all the other languages as it wants. It is The Master Language that can change any of the other languages depending upon programable decisions. It can provide variables for languages that normally don't have variables, such as HTML and CSS, and it can communicate with languages that do have variables, such as Javascript and MySQL. In short there is no limit to the scope of this most powerful Web Language -- it is THE Language of the Internet. -- un-quote -- Now that you've picked the right language, what are you going to do with it? THAT I find exciting. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On 21 Oct 2011 at 21:30, Govinda wrote: > I did not use the takethislollipop.com app, so I don't know either what is its > point (I hesitate like others said they do, to let apps grab all my FB data), > but here I was just commenting on FB and social apps in general. FB already has a royalty-free non-exclusive licence to all your data anyway. Once you put it up there, they can use it any way they like. -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
RE: [PHP] Friday Distraction
-Original Message- From: Govinda [mailto:govinda.webdnat...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 4:31 PM To: Tedd Sperling Cc: PHP General Subject: Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction > Not meaning to be ignorant, but why? > > What's the point here? > > I have grandkids and about a dozen other species of relatives/friends trying > to get me to do stuff (i.e., like/friend/post/reply/accept) on FaceBook et > al, but I don't see the point. It looks like a total waste of time. Why > should I care if someone post something on their FaceBook account? I would > rather spend my time programming, teaching programming, and reading about > programming. > > Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff. > > Cheers, > > tedd First, I hope that I am posting my response to Tedd correctly (no top posts..). Second, I totally agree with Tedd and I am only 36...:-) Best, Christopher Tedd, Your naturalness is always endearing, even when you play grumpy. ;-) It may seem like overly zealous waste of technology.. but look at it from another angle - It's just plain ole (ancient) human need for social interaction... piped through the latest tools. The girls anyway certainly love FaceBook, et al., for the same reasons they ever loved the chance to compare social notes. I did not use the takethislollipop.com app, so I don't know either what is its point (I hesitate like others said they do, to let apps grab all my FB data), but here I was just commenting on FB and social apps in general. >From a programmer's perspective, I would say that selling things is just as >boring as aimless socializing. WHAT ARE YOU programming anyway? ;-) We >programmers just keep track of other peoples' details... and once the novelty >of solving problems (for solving sake) wears off, then it seems to me that >programming, as such, is no more interesting, in the end, than the stuff the >code serves. What does truly uplifting/evolutionary code look like anyway? -Govinda -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
Tedd Sperling wrote: >On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > >>I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with >> something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on >Facebook, >> try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). >> >>http://www.takethislollipop.com/ >> >> -- >> > >Not meaning to be ignorant, but why? > >What's the point here? > >I have grandkids and about a dozen other species of relatives/friends >trying to get me to do stuff (i.e., like/friend/post/reply/accept) on >FaceBook et al, but I don't see the point. It looks like a total waste >of time. Why should I care if someone post something on their FaceBook >account? I would rather spend my time programming, teaching >programming, and reading about programming. > >Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff. > >Cheers, > >tedd > > >_ >t...@sperling.com >http://sperling.com > > > > > >-- >PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) >To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php Tedd, I'm only 27 but I'm with you on this one, its not an "old" person thing! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
> Not meaning to be ignorant, but why? > > What's the point here? > > I have grandkids and about a dozen other species of relatives/friends trying > to get me to do stuff (i.e., like/friend/post/reply/accept) on FaceBook et > al, but I don't see the point. It looks like a total waste of time. Why > should I care if someone post something on their FaceBook account? I would > rather spend my time programming, teaching programming, and reading about > programming. > > Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff. > > Cheers, > > tedd Tedd, Your naturalness is always endearing, even when you play grumpy. ;-) It may seem like overly zealous waste of technology.. but look at it from another angle - It's just plain ole (ancient) human need for social interaction... piped through the latest tools. The girls anyway certainly love FaceBook, et al., for the same reasons they ever loved the chance to compare social notes. I did not use the takethislollipop.com app, so I don't know either what is its point (I hesitate like others said they do, to let apps grab all my FB data), but here I was just commenting on FB and social apps in general. From a programmer's perspective, I would say that selling things is just as boring as aimless socializing. WHAT ARE YOU programming anyway? ;-) We programmers just keep track of other peoples' details... and once the novelty of solving problems (for solving sake) wears off, then it seems to me that programming, as such, is no more interesting, in the end, than the stuff the code serves. What does truly uplifting/evolutionary code look like anyway? -Govinda -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > >> I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with >> something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, >> try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). >> >> http://www.takethislollipop.com/ >> >> -- >> > > Not meaning to be ignorant, but why? > > What's the point here? > > I have grandkids and about a dozen other species of relatives/friends trying > to get me to do stuff (i.e., like/friend/post/reply/accept) on FaceBook et > al, but I don't see the point. It looks like a total waste of time. Why > should I care if someone post something on their FaceBook account? I would > rather spend my time programming, teaching programming, and reading about > programming. > > Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff. I couldn't agree more. It is a total waste of time, and for many people they think it replaces the need for personal contact. Like you, I have 100's of things I'd rather spend my time on. -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Tedd Sperling wrote: > On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: > > >I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with > > something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, > > try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). > > > >http://www.takethislollipop.com/ > > > > -- > > > > Not meaning to be ignorant, but why? > > What's the point here? > > I have grandkids and about a dozen other species of relatives/friends > trying to get me to do stuff (i.e., like/friend/post/reply/accept) on > FaceBook et al, but I don't see the point. It looks like a total waste of > time. Why should I care if someone post something on their FaceBook account? > I would rather spend my time programming, teaching programming, and reading > about programming. > > Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff. > > Cheers, > > tedd > tedd, even older folks are getting on there these days. sure there are lame aspects as there are w/ just about anything; but it is a nice way to stay in touch w/ folks youd probly otherwise have lost touch w/. my 2c. -nathan
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:27 PM, Daniel Brown wrote: >I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with > something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, > try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). > >http://www.takethislollipop.com/ > > -- > Not meaning to be ignorant, but why? What's the point here? I have grandkids and about a dozen other species of relatives/friends trying to get me to do stuff (i.e., like/friend/post/reply/accept) on FaceBook et al, but I don't see the point. It looks like a total waste of time. Why should I care if someone post something on their FaceBook account? I would rather spend my time programming, teaching programming, and reading about programming. Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff. Cheers, tedd _ t...@sperling.com http://sperling.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On 21 Oct 2011 at 17:27, Daniel Brown wrote: > I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with > something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, > try this. Well, I'm not. I took one look at their Ts&Cs and thought "Sod that!" -- Cheers -- Tim -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
I saw this 3-4 days ago. And yes, I didn't allow the app to post anything on my wall. :D -- Shiplu Mokadd.im Follow me, http://twitter.com/shiplu Innovation distinguishes between follower and leader
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
Is it just me or does it not work unless you agree to the "extra" information sharing stuff? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
Friday :P On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:34, Nathan Nobbe > wrote: > > nice one! > >Quit top-posting! ;-P > > -- > > Network Infrastructure Manager > http://www.php.net/ >
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:34, Nathan Nobbe wrote: > nice one! Quit top-posting! ;-P -- Network Infrastructure Manager http://www.php.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Friday Distraction
nice one! On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Daniel Brown wrote: >I'll get this week's Friday distraction kicked off here with > something shared with me by a Facebook friend. If you're on Facebook, > try this. It's pretty sweet (and safe for work and kids). > >http://www.takethislollipop.com/ > > -- > > Network Infrastructure Manager > http://www.php.net/ > > -- > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >
