Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 08:11 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote: Spam! Daniel Brown schrieb: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty mrfroa...@gmail.com wrote: Looks expensive, definately NO Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not just you and the other top-poster. ;-P -- Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63 Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900- 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann If it's spam, it's the first I've seen that actually has something to do with PHP and not drugs, money or sex! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. regards Jochen Ashley Sheridan schrieb: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 08:11 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote: Spam! Daniel Brown schrieb: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty mrfroa...@gmail.com mailto:mrfroa...@gmail.com wrote: Looks expensive, definately NO Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not just you and the other top-poster. ;-P -- Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63 Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900- 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann If it's spam, it's the first I've seen that actually has something to do with PHP and not drugs, money or sex! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
Jochen Schultz wrote: and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising' that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that support. Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;) -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable, companies in the PHP community. But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets income, which can be used to support the community, while the community stays free from some companies decissions. Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions! just my 2 cents Lester Caine schrieb: Jochen Schultz wrote: and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising' that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that support. Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;) -- Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63 Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900- 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote: Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable, companies in the PHP community. But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets income, which can be used to support the community, while the community stays free from some companies decissions. Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions! just my 2 cents Lester Caine schrieb: Jochen Schultz wrote: and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising' that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that support. Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;) -- Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63 Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900- 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it too commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to get their ad more coverage, etc. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
NOw if they would cover the Zend Library I might pay a dollar. Daniel Brown wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty mrfroa...@gmail.com wrote: Looks expensive, definately NO Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not just you and the other top-poster. ;-P -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On 5 March 2010 10:26, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote: Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable, companies in the PHP community. But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets income, which can be used to support the community, while the community stays free from some companies decissions. Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions! just my 2 cents Lester Caine schrieb: Jochen Schultz wrote: and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising' that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that support. Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;) -- Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63 Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900 - 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it too commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to get their ad more coverage, etc. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk Ad-block would get in the way though !? -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 12:03 +, Richard Quadling wrote: On 5 March 2010 10:26, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:21 +0100, Jochen Schultz wrote: Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable, companies in the PHP community. But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets income, which can be used to support the community, while the community stays free from some companies decissions. Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions! just my 2 cents Lester Caine schrieb: Jochen Schultz wrote: and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. As someone who gets totally pigged off with the amount of 'advertising' that gets rammed down our throats, I should probably agree. But in this particular case, while I may not like it, Zend are one of the major supporters of PHP and actually need to make money to continue that support. Now if someone wants to advertise alternative courses using Eclipse and PHPEclipse ... 1000EUR does seem somewhat steep ;) -- Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63 Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900- 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann Actually, footer ads doesn't seem such a bad idea. I don't know how you'd work out the details like how often an ad is shown, but I for one wouldn't mind a discrete ad at the bottom of the email if the proceeds would go back into making PHP better. I would assume though that most people on this list wouldn't like that, as it would possibly make it too commercially driven, i.e. think people posting more and more simple to get their ad more coverage, etc. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk Ad-block would get in the way though !? I don't really know much about ads, save that I dislike annoying 'in-your-face' ones (Flash ads on website in particular!) so I wouldn't really know what ad-blockers would block or let through. Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
Op 3/4/10 9:14 PM, Daniel Brown schreef: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty mrfroa...@gmail.com wrote: Looks expensive, definately NO Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not just you and the other top-poster. ;-P quite. and it's not like Zend send such offers to the list everyday, in fact I don't think I've seen anything from them here before at all. this list is not moderated, as such we're liable to receive stuff now and again that we're not personally interested in ... just ignore it. to those that argue it's expensive - quality training is, that's the nature of the business and the subject matter we deal with. to those that argue that it's spam, I would disagree - the 'ad' is directly relevant to php developers, the sender's employer is reputable, the recipients are all members of an unmoderated mailing list that is generally (pun intended) known to be very flexible and lax with regard to the exceptability of posts and lastly the actual sender is a traceable person with a working email address. everything pretty much above board as far as I'm concerned. I would suggest that Zend don't send such 'ad's too often purely because that might offend the very people they are trying to reach, additionally they might consider that when they do send things like this to also include links/etc to relevant/new resource that are freely available ... I'd personally wouldn't mind an occasional email pointing out some new article about, for instance, 'Best Practices' which also includes info about upcoming courses ... a bit of give and take in that vein might garner a more positive response, in general, from members of this list. ... your thoughts on a post card ;-) -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 04:29, Jochen Schultz jschu...@sportimport.de wrote: and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. Well, good thing you're nowhere near being close to having a say in that, eh? ;-P First of all, this is the General mailing list, meaning that anything generally-related to PHP is allowed, accepted, and encouraged. Before you subscribed, you were warned that this is a high-traffic list. If you don't like it, please send a very long, detailed message to php-general-unsubscr...@lists.php.net and we'll be happy to respond. Second, Debbie Otterstetter from Zend is absolutely, one-hundred-percent completely correct in posting such a message here, with both my encouragement and blessing. I work with her on a near-daily basis to get events coordinated on php.net, so trust me - she's not going to bombard the list with SPAM. Lastly (for now), I will reiterate: if you're not interested, do not reply. (P.S. - We should institute a new rule: no one is allowed to make suggestions regarding things until they've submitted at least 500 valuable posts. Of course, that won't happen stupid democracy. ;-P) -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 09:33 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 04:29, Jochen Schultz jschu...@sportimport.de wrote: and not drugs, money or sex! So everyone should post their ads here, which are related to PHP? I think not. Well, good thing you're nowhere near being close to having a say in that, eh? ;-P First of all, this is the General mailing list, meaning that anything generally-related to PHP is allowed, accepted, and encouraged. Before you subscribed, you were warned that this is a high-traffic list. If you don't like it, please send a very long, detailed message to php-general-unsubscr...@lists.php.net and we'll be happy to respond. Second, Debbie Otterstetter from Zend is absolutely, one-hundred-percent completely correct in posting such a message here, with both my encouragement and blessing. I work with her on a near-daily basis to get events coordinated on php.net, so trust me - she's not going to bombard the list with SPAM. Lastly (for now), I will reiterate: if you're not interested, do not reply. (P.S. - We should institute a new rule: no one is allowed to make suggestions regarding things until they've submitted at least 500 valuable posts. Of course, that won't happen stupid democracy. ;-P) -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ How can we get a post count? :p Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
Don't top-post. Even that part is in the rules when you signed up. ;-P On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 05:21, Jochen Schultz jschu...@sportimport.de wrote: Sure Zend is one of the most valuables, if not the most valuable, companies in the PHP community. But if we allow ads here, we should think about selling them (like footer ads in all messages of the list). This way the community gets income, which can be used to support the community, while the community stays free from some companies decissions. Absolutely not. Thankfully, that will never, ever happen. And don't take this the wrong way, but it's quite evident that you're new to working with open source groups. There's no way the community gets income from anything, and the only support the community gets is through its peers. By participating in this list in a productive fashion, Jochen, is exactly where you're doing the right thing in supporting the community. Further, the PHP community is and has always been free from company decisions but believe me (and Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization. Some may say even more than many. ;-P Or just keep Ads out of here...no exceptions! just my 2 cents To a great extent, I agree with you on this one but I think that ads once in a while for PHP-related educational services, job offers, and other things to give you and your peers in the PHP community a chance to better themselves can be invaluable to many. Each year, we have a few hundred active participants on this list: some with one-off messages, others - like Ashley Sheridan - who have become fixtures here, and still others - like Jochem Maas - who regularly come and go. Then, we have literally thousands of lurkers --- those who are just getting into PHP, but are too timid yet to pipe-up and introduce themselves or ask a question, for fear of being heckled by those who think they're elite (blaming no one in this thread, but we've all seen it). For those folks who actively monitor the list to learn, they may very well be interested in the kind of ad Debbie sent. However, if it were to become a regular thing, advertising a website and offering nothing more than self-promotion, then there's a reason for wanting it gone for good. That kind of advertising is nothing more than a completely self-serving action masquerading as support for the community, and is worthy of complaints. And that, my friend, is exactly where I agree with you. As for the Zend posts, you can expect to see them now and again. If you personally would rather not, it's a good thing you're technologically-inclined: you know how to create a filter to auto-trash the message before you even see it. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
At 8:25 AM + 3/5/10, Ashley Sheridan wrote: If it's spam, it's the first I've seen that actually has something to do with PHP and not drugs, money or sex! Thanks, Ash You mean that PHP is not drugs, money, or sex? What's the purpose then? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:42, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: How can we get a post count? :p Were you here when I was still running the weekly metrics on the list a few years ago? I still get requests to reinstate it, I just haven't had the chance. I keep meaning to enlist Richard Heyes to incorporate RGraph (http://www.rgraph.net/) into my ListWatch library. Someday However, for those interested in basic metrics: --- February 2010 --- 722 Legit (Non-SPAM) Posts Most Active Topics: $_POST vs $_REQUEST UK Project Opportunity -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 09:57 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 09:42, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: How can we get a post count? :p Were you here when I was still running the weekly metrics on the list a few years ago? I still get requests to reinstate it, I just haven't had the chance. I keep meaning to enlist Richard Heyes to incorporate RGraph (http://www.rgraph.net/) into my ListWatch library. Someday However, for those interested in basic metrics: --- February 2010 --- 722 Legit (Non-SPAM) Posts Most Active Topics: $_POST vs $_REQUEST UK Project Opportunity -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget! Ah yes, I do recall that now. It's been so long ago, I'd clean forgotten about it! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On 5 March 2010 14:48, Daniel Brown paras...@gmail.com wrote: Further, the PHP community is and has always been free from company decisions but believe me (and Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization. Who? Me? Imagine OSS like a big extended family. You get some people you like, others you don't. -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 15:29 +, Richard Quadling wrote: On 5 March 2010 14:48, Daniel Brown paras...@gmail.com wrote: Further, the PHP community is and has always been free from company decisions but believe me (and Richard Quadling will back me on this one), we certainly have our fair share of politics and internal obstacles, just like any organization. Who? Me? Imagine OSS like a big extended family. You get some people you like, others you don't. -- - Richard Quadling Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants! EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got? Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got? Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget! -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:41 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got? Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget! I sometimes wish it were possible. We're still talking about the family here, and not OSS yeah?! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 10:41 -0500, Daniel Brown wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 10:28, Ashley Sheridan a...@ashleysheridan.co.uk wrote: And you get to adopt new ones if you don't like the ones you got? Yes, but you can't put any up for adoption by another family. -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ Looking for hosting or dedicated servers? Ask me how we can fit your budget! I sometimes wish it were possible. We're still talking about the family here, and not OSS yeah?! Thanks, Ash http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk And no, you may not marry your first cousin. -- Bastien Cat, the other other white meat -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
Looks expensive, definately NO On 03/04/2010 08:05 PM, Debbie Otterstetter wrote: Zend has an upcoming Framework: Fundamentals class that some of you may be interested in. You can find more information at this webpage: http://www.zend.com/en/services/training/course-catalog/zend-framework Class dates/times: March 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24 25 from 8-10am PST All classes are on-line and led with a live instructor. Please let me know if you have any questions. Debbie -- Extra details: OSS:Gentoo Linux profile:x86 Hardware:msi geforce 8600GT asus p5k-se location:/home/muhsin language(s):C/C++,VB,VHDL,bash,PHP,SQL,HTML,CSS Typo:40WPM url:http://www.mzalendo.net url:http://www.zanbytes.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty mrfroa...@gmail.com wrote: Looks expensive, definately NO Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not just you and the other top-poster. ;-P -- /Daniel P. Brown daniel.br...@parasane.net || danbr...@php.net http://www.parasane.net/ || http://www.pilotpig.net/ -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP] Want to learn to work with Zend Framework?
Spam! Daniel Brown schrieb: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 14:59, mrfroasty mrfroa...@gmail.com wrote: Looks expensive, definately NO Then do not reply. It was an offer to the community at large, not just you and the other top-poster. ;-P -- Sport Import GmbH - Amtsgericht Oldenburg - Tel: +49-4405-9280-63 Industriestrasse 39 - HRB 1202900- 26188 Edewecht - GF: Michael Müllmann -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
