Thank God!...
śr., 6 maj 2020, 21:53 użytkownik Wojciech Gac
napisał:
> That's all folks. ;)
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 9:41 PM Alexander Burger
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guido,
>>
>> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 08:35:33PM +0200, Guido Stepken wrote:
>> > Perhaps you *all* learn, what a JIT compiler really
On 5/6/20 11:35 AM, Guido Stepken wrote:
If this is really the case, it promise, i say 'goodbye' from PicoLisp
mailing list!!! I promise!
Oh, Guido, please don't make promises you can't keep 藍
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It's the end of an error.
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 1:13 PM Karol Drożak wrote:
> Thank God!...
>
> śr., 6 maj 2020, 21:53 użytkownik Wojciech Gac > napisał:
>
>> That's all folks. ;)
>>
>> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 9:41 PM Alexander Burger
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guido,
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at
Hi Guido,
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 08:35:33PM +0200, Guido Stepken wrote:
> Perhaps you *all* learn, what a JIT compiler really is, in difference
> to a AOT Ahead of Time Compiler.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_compilation
>
> Make ZEROpointZERO sense then to let Picolisp do,
That's all folks. ;)
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 9:41 PM Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Guido,
>
> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 08:35:33PM +0200, Guido Stepken wrote:
> > Perhaps you *all* learn, what a JIT compiler really is, in difference
> > to a AOT Ahead of Time Compiler.
> >
> >
Perhaps you *all* learn, what a JIT compiler really is, in difference
to a AOT Ahead of Time Compiler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-in-time_compilation
Make ZEROpointZERO sense then to let Picolisp do, what Clang (the C to
LLVM IR translator) does.
If this is really the case, it promise,
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:11 PM John Duncan wrote:
>
> Just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your work. I hope you find a
> blowhard like Guido amusing and not too irritating. I get the impression he’s
> hardly written a line of code in his life, and that was probably in Java.
Just
Alex (and friends):
Thank you for the truly beautiful work that you share with us!
8-)
rcs
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:41 PM Alexander Burger wrote:
> Hi Guido,
>
> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 08:35:33PM +0200, Guido Stepken wrote:
> > Perhaps you *all* learn, what a JIT compiler really is, in
Hi Guido,
Want to hear your thoughts about, what if PicoLisp is implemented in Pascal
or Modula or Oberon? Will it be cool or not?
BR,
Geo
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 2:46 PM Guido Stepken wrote:
> In international law, signing such a contract, as Anaconda Eula is called
> "self binding". Those
Well, can PicoLisp replace expensive "fully ACID" Datomic and Closure?
You mentioned that PicoLisp would be missing ACID feature. That's why we've
invented the "Event Sourcing Layer":
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_Sourcing
Sorry, not available in other languages!
What's that? This is
There are plenty of free implementations of Lisp language in Pascal, Modula
2/3, Oberon out there.
E.g. https://github.com/bobappleyard/pascal-lisp/blob/master/README
But all that makes no real sense. Lisp, as functional language, should
better be implemented in a functional language, such as
You all might have heard about 'pilog' a Prolog like AI system within
Picolisp, where you can define rules, describe a situation and ask for
solutions. What can you do with that?
Typically, items come bundled in all kinds of packages, repair packages,
addons, ...
E.g. We have 30 (all slighly
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 09:55:08AM +0200, Guido Stepken wrote:
> Lisp, as functional language, should
> better be implemented in a functional language
Point for pil21 :)
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Hi Alex!
Yes! -10 for using LLVM, that falls under US export restrictions (ECRA). AI
software is no longer allowed to export to e.g. China, since January 1st.
So if you have compiled-in a single line of LLVM code into pil21, you're in
real trouble now, because of pilog, which is certainly a kind
My friend! The political wind has massively changed from US side. We cannot
go on doing business like 5 months and 6 days ago.
You brains simply haven't noticed yet ...
Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb Alfonso Villén :
> Hello Guido,
>
>> Alex, go on using LLVM. See you in Guantanamo. (Remember:
On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 12:51:33PM +0200, Guido Stepken wrote:
> Use Mike's DYNASM JIT Engine. Better, faster, smaller (tiny, in comparison
> to LLVM), more portable. He's from Munich.
Useless.
Sigh! How often have I told here that the main purpose of pil21 is portability?
I need it to build
Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb Alexander Burger :
> On Wed, May 06, 2020 at 12:51:33PM +0200, Guido Stepken wrote:
>> Use Mike's DYNASM JIT Engine. Better, faster, smaller (tiny, in
comparison
>> to LLVM), more portable. He's from Munich.
>
> Useless.
Ah, really?
> Sigh! How often have I told
I don't discourage him. I present facts. LLVM contains plenty of AI code,
especially for generating code for NVIDIA chips.
Since January 1st there are export restrictions for AI code to China now.
Hey Alex,
Just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your work. I hope you find a
blowhard like Guido amusing and not too irritating. I get the impression
he’s hardly written a line of code in his life, and that was probably in
Java.
Take care!
John
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 07:59 Alexander
Hi Guido,
I would love to see some (toy?) code example about this if you have some...
Thanks in advance, best,
Eric
Le 06/05/2020 à 09:27, Guido Stepken a écrit :
You all might have heard about 'pilog' a Prolog like AI system within
Picolisp, where you can define rules, describe a situation
Hi John,
> Just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate your work. I hope you find a
> blowhard like Guido amusing and not too irritating. I get the impression
> he’s hardly written a line of code in his life, and that was probably in
> Java.
Thanks a lot John! :)
☺/ A!ex
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Hello Guido,
> Alex, go on using LLVM. See you in Guantanamo. (Remember: Meng
Wanzhou > was caught in Canada with US warrant).
>
> Unbelievable ignorance
I don't understand what makes you think that Alex is an ignorant.
First of all, I want to thank Alex as John already did. I don't know
> Sigh! How often have I told here that the main purpose of pil21 is
> portability?
Do you see any portablity problems:
https://luajit.org/luajit.html
iOS obviously *is* supported. Tons of games are using LuaJIT on all kinds of
platforms. Of course, always with DYNASM as JIT IR below.
LUAJIT
Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb cilz :
>
> Le 06/05/2020 à 15:19, Guido Stepken a écrit :
>
> Sorry, no tutorial handy ... i only have the full code, which i don't
want to publish ...
>
> Too bad!
>
> May be you can devise a tiny example to help us (at least the very noob
like me) figure out what
:)
https://youtu.be/mbdXeRBbgDM
pon., 4 maj 2020, 00:25 użytkownik Alexander Shendi (Web.DE) <
alexander.she...@web.de> napisał:
> Isn't Christian Schafmeister the guy attempting to make a Common Lisp
> frontend to the dreaded LLVM infrastructure?
>
> SCNR
>
> Am 3. Mai 2020 23:17:49 MESZ
Sorry, no tutorial handy ... i only have the full code, which i don't want
to publish ...
But Prolog, same as *pilog* is a declarative language, very easy to learn.
What makes pilog unique is, that you can mix it with Lisp.
It's a relatively simple combinatorial problem, that can be divided into
Hi Guido,
Thank you for sharing your insights here, I have fun reading them.
But please respect Alex decision in using LLVM for pil21, its his choice
and its his programming language, so please stop discouraging him.
BR,
Geo
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 10:12 PM John Duncan wrote:
> Hey Alex,
Also, I see no problem in, for example, Guido trying to prove the
point by making a PicoLisp clone in the runtime of his choice :) IIRC,
we already have the Ersatz (Java) port of picolisp.
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 4:23 PM George-Phillip Orais
wrote:
>
> Hi Guido,
>
> Thank you for sharing your
Le 06/05/2020 à 15:19, Guido Stepken a écrit :
Sorry, no tutorial handy ... i only have the full code, which i don't
want to publish ...
Too bad!
May be you can devise a tiny example to help us (at least the very noob
like me) figure out what you're meaning with this awesome statement
PilBox, yes. Also one of your brilliant ideas ...
Something similar already exists since a couple of years ...
https://jasonette.com/, renamed to https://jasonelle.com/
Some Google guys picked up the idea and made FLUTTER: One code, two
binaries for Android and iOS. Dart Programming Language.
I'll note that fennel seems like severely sub par lisp, not even really
supporting lists... Though there are others, lumen and urn for luaJIT. Not
sure why you keep mentioning fennel, while it seems most popular somehow,
but it is also most clojure like and with seemingly boneheaded list
handling.
Je ne veux pas faire sursauter trop tôt nos collègues lecteurs des
États-Unis. Peut-être tu veux attendre quelques semaines de plus jusqu'à ce
que des choses importantes soient décidées au niveau de l'UE.
Mais je peux toi assurer que des parties importantes viennent de France.
Ce sera une grande
Le 06/05/2020 à 16:38, Guido Stepken a écrit :
> May be you can devise a tiny example to help us (at least the very
noob like me) figure out what you're meaning with this awesome
statement "Picolisp is the only language in the world, that can reason
about database contents!"
It's all
On 06.05.20 17:29, Guido Stepken wrote:
> > Also the size of LLVM doesn't matter since it is only necessary when
> compiling the binary. You can likely download binaries Alex built just
> as you can do.
>
> "Compiling the binary" is funny pil21, sitting on top of LLVM JIT
> engine is post
Another benefit of llvm is you get their dataflow analysis and optimization
for free, on the myriad ARM and x64 microarchitectures as optimized as you
like. That is harder to do in custom abstract assembly, as you’d have to
maintain a little zoo of targets.
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 13:08 wrote:
>
Certainly Fennel only a proof of concept. But it's easy to understand, you
can add lists and other things within just a few lines by using Lua
primitives, which are Lisp like.
Same with Common Lisp and Scheme. When you read through Common Lisp
language definition, it's a huge book, language
Υπάρχουν πάντοτε άνθρωποι που δεν έχουν πρόσβαση. Και δεν ξέρουν καν γιατί
κάνουν αυτό. Ειδικά σε περιόδους μαζικών πολιτικών αλλαγών. Αυτός είναι
επίσης ο λόγος για τον οποίο ο Βαρουφάκης παραιτήθηκε. Αλλά είχε δίκιο με
πολλούς τρόπους.
Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb Yiorgos [George]
Picolisp is interpreted. Even the llvm version is just creating an
interpreter. There is no JIT.
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:36 Guido Stepken wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb :
>
> > Read Wikipedia:
> >
> > LLVM allows code to be compiled statically, as it is under the
> traditional GCC
Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb Joh-Tob Schäg :
>
>> Sigh! How often have I told here that the main purpose of pil21 is
portability?
> Do you see any portablity problems:
> https://luajit.org/luajit.html
> iOS obviously *is* supported. Tons of games are using LuaJIT on all kinds
of platforms. Of
Le 06/05/2020 à 17:44, Guido Stepken a écrit :
Je ne veux pas faire sursauter trop tôt nos collègues lecteurs des
États-Unis. Peut-être tu veux attendre quelques semaines de plus
jusqu'à ce que des choses importantes soient décidées au niveau de l'UE.
Mais je peux toi assurer que des parties
Βρίσκω τον τρόπο που γίνεται η συζήτηση αγενή.
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 6:48 PM Guido Stepken wrote:
>
> Je ne veux pas faire sursauter trop tôt nos collègues lecteurs des
> États-Unis. Peut-être tu veux attendre quelques semaines de plus jusqu'à ce
> que des choses importantes soient décidées
It's not me being on the warpath, it US government by sanctioning and
blackmailing every fucking country in the world. See North Stream 2
threats against Germany and Swiss companies, the warrant against Meng
Wanzhou, former Huawei CFO (no proof, nothing), sanctions even against
Venezuela (maybe
Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb :
> Read Wikipedia:
>
> LLVM allows code to be compiled statically, as it is under the
traditional GCC system, or left for late-compiling from the IR to machine
code via just-in-time compilation (JIT)
Wikipedia might have missed the chapter: "Extreme Laziness -
La seguridad por la oscuridad?
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:44 Guido Stepken wrote:
> Υπάρχουν πάντοτε άνθρωποι που δεν έχουν πρόσβαση. Και δεν ξέρουν καν γιατί
> κάνουν αυτό. Ειδικά σε περιόδους μαζικών πολιτικών αλλαγών. Αυτός είναι
> επίσης ο λόγος για τον οποίο ο Βαρουφάκης παραιτήθηκε. Αλλά
> On 06.05.20 18:42, John Duncan wrote:
> Picolisp is interpreted. Even the llvm version is just creating an
> interpreter. There is no JIT.
Exactly!
Guido, you should really stop talking about things you so obviously have
no understanding of.
There is NO COMPILING when executing program written
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Am Mittwoch, 6. Mai 2020 schrieb Joh-Tob Schäg :
>Each one
Enough is enough. By bringing a very controversial person in the
discussion (who does not have the chance to participate in it) you are
making me lose any interest in your arguments.
You are on a mission. I get it. I might even admire it. I am not on
that mission and have no interest in it until
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