Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-29 Thread Adlopa
Oddly, the iPlayer Favourite streams have started working after a recent update — I've been using nightly builds of 7.4.0 that seem to be updated pretty much every day... I've now moved to 7.4.1 beta. By 'working' I mean that the SqueezeboxServer Favourites for those BBC daily shows now grab the

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-17 Thread bpa
You can use BBCiPlayer plugin both inside and outside the UK. UK users get the higher quality streams and MP3. Non UK users cannot get the MP3 streams. You can force MP3 streams if you disable the AAC filetype in WebUI Settings/Advanced/Filetypes. -- bpa

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-17 Thread rickwookie
bpa;458331 Wrote: > The older players (SB2,SB3, Transporter, Boom) can play WMA and MP3 > native streams. The new players SB Radio, Touch can also play AAC/AAC+ > streams. > > The Flash based streams have an extra wrapper which currently requires > BBCiPlayer to unwrap it and deliver the AAC or

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-16 Thread bpa
Below is the selected info the BBC provides for Danny Baker programs - there are program identifiers which give info on the URl to use to play a specific program. There are also program title which can be different or the same and have no defined format - they cannot be used reliably to decide wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-16 Thread Adlopa
bpa;458619 Wrote: > IIRC Episodes in a brand are not identified as say "monday's programme" > - just program title and date of broadcast. So to provide such a > Favorite would require additional special plugin code to try to identify > what sort of "favorite" the user is expecting and then deter

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-16 Thread bpa
This is a BBC problem and I don't think the plugin can't fix it easily. Favorites can be made for a "brand" which is a BBC term for a Titled program such as "Danny Baker" or "Composer of the Week". Within that brand there will be episodes - each uniquely identified. So if you make a Favorite fr

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-16 Thread Adlopa
Well, there appears to be something funky going on with either SqueezeCenter or the iPlayer plugin. There are five valid static daily feeds under Home > BBC iPlayer > BBC Local Radio > BBC London > Danny Baker > Mon/Tue/etc, just like with the old AlienBBC set-up and these work as expected when

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread bpa
Once BBC made the XML feed available, it was expected that AlienBBC plugin could be retired. I don't think the small differences in program availability justifies the effort maintaining screen scraping the web interface. So AlienBBC users should try to use BBCiPlayer as their main BBC plugin

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread Adlopa
My understanding is that the BBC has now dumped RealPlayer for Listen Again, at least for local radio. Since AlienBBC doesn't seem to cope with iPlayer streams, I guess that means that AlienBBC is defunct for BBC streams too... The iPlayer plugin seems to offer much the same features as AlienBBC

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread bpa
The older players (SB2,SB3, Transporter, Boom) can play WMA and MP3 native streams. The new players SB Radio, Touch can also play AAC/AAC+ streams. The Flash based streams have an extra wrapper which currently requires BBCiPlayer to unwrap it and deliver the AAC or MP3 which can be played native

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread rickwookie
Hi Guys, sorry to butt in here so late in the thread but I'm getting very confused! Are we saying that we can now get everything that BBC Radio puts out (both listen again and live streams) through the iPlayer plugin, in native Squeezebox friendly formats (so no transcoding needed on the server)?

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread bpa
I had a feeling that the Favorites setup might be the nub of the problem. I wonder whether caching may be part of the issue. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread Adlopa
In that case, I'll keep an eye on it for a day or two and see what happens with the next couple of programmes... -- Adlopa Adlopa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=358 View this thread: http://foru

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread bpa
The BBCiPlayer now has a Danny Baker for Monday - I think the BBC XML feed which is used by BBCiPlayer is not updated as quickly as the Web interface so the problem is with BBC. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevi

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-15 Thread Adlopa
Alas, those five daily links for the Danny Baker show on iPlayer don't appear to be working, though I'm not sure why. Last week, I set the Monday show (Home > BBC iPlayer > BBC Local Radio > BBC London > Danny Baker > Monday) as a Favourite and at the weekend, it was indeed playing last Monda

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-14 Thread Triode
If you can give me an example of different times on the BBCiPlayer one I will look at the plugin. Currently it converts the time in the xmlfeed to local time and so it is dependant on timezone info on the local machine. If you are not in the uk you may get different times. -- Triode -

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-14 Thread bpa
> > The specific item I was looking for was The Essay on Radio 3. > > It appeared in the AlienBBC listings, but not in the iPlayer listings. > Though I couldn't get it to play with AlienBBC. > > There was evidently something weird about this, as iPlayer Downloader > on my Mac (which is not the

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-13 Thread danco
The specific item I was looking for was The Essay on Radio 3. It appeared in the AlienBBC listings, but not in the iPlayer listings. Though I couldn't get it to play with AlienBBC. There was evidently something weird about this, as iPlayer Downloader on my Mac (which is not the official BBC item

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-13 Thread bpa
> > I find, though, that the schedule lists from iPlayer and AlienBBC are > not identical. > Can you give some specific examples. Is it a case of AlienBBC * showing more days * fewer or more programs on a specific days * different programs for the same time slot compared to BBCiPlayer -

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-13 Thread Paul Webster
danco;457892 Wrote: > I find, though, that the schedule lists from iPlayer and AlienBBC are > not identical. While both are sourced from data at the BBC ... the BBC sources do not come from the indentical root source ... so there can be differences. In theory, during Wednesday 16 the source tha

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-13 Thread danco
I find, though, that the schedule lists from iPlayer and AlienBBC are not identical. -- danco danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-13 Thread bpa
> > Hm, this contradicts the info from > http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.u...io_real_media/, which says > It's not a contradiction, it's just the BBC have changed their mind on RealAudio all the more reason for user to stop using AlienBBC and use BBCiPlayer. -- bpa

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-13 Thread Adlopa
bpa;457515 Wrote: > Another user has posted that the BBC has somehow turned off RealAudio > Listen Again for Local radio. So under AlienBBC the entry will appear > but the program will not play. The BBC have said that RealAudio programs > will remain so it is likely to be an error which will be f

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-12 Thread bpa
> > I don't think they were there under 7.3, but it didn't occur to me to > look under the iPlayer plugin settings for this functionality rather > than AlienBBC... > Another user has posted that the BBC has somehow turned off RealAudio Listen Again for Local radio. So under AlienBBC the entry

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-12 Thread Adlopa
Triode;457339 Wrote: > Please try the latest 7.4 - the bug which prevented favorites being set > for iPlayer has been fixed. > > (This only existed in the default web skins, but I guess most users > don't know that there are any other web skins so I shouldn't have said > this...) Interesting.

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-12 Thread ModelCitizen
Triode;457359 Wrote: > What caused you to go back? The look and behaviour of the Controllers mainly. MC -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. Last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-11 Thread Triode
Don't know I am afraid - not looked at 7.3 for a long time... In general I think 7.4 will be more stable with iplayer. What caused you to go back? -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?user

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-11 Thread ModelCitizen
Since I installed 7.4, decided I really didn't like it and reverted back to 7.3.3 my alarms have stopped working. They seem to be playing, but they are silent. My alarms use my BBC Radio 4 iPlayer favourite. If I choose to play the Radio 4 playlist favourite directly however it plays just fine.

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-11 Thread Triode
Please try the latest 7.4 - the bug which prevented favorites being set for iPlayer has been fixed. (This only existed in the default web skins, but I guess most users don't know that there are any other web skins so I shouldn't have said this...) -- Triode --

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-11 Thread Adlopa
Just to update everyone on this — I have been in touch with the BBC about this change, but I've yet to get a meaningful reply. At the moment, I'm still at the "This is how you use iPlayer" stage with its iPlayer tech support people, but I'll keep plugging away until I get through to someone that c

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread Triode
Ok - the problem is that the default skin is using javascript to do this and it bypasses setting the parser... Try setting a favorite using the classic skin and it should work.. However this is going to produce an xmlbrowser list which is not the same as something which is direcly playable - may

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread Triode
It needs to store a parser too with a filter:X=Y param - did you get that? -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=674

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread bpa
The Favorite idea doesn't work - it generates a Favorite with an URL such as http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/availability/bbc_london.xml?Danny%20Baker but the response does not play as a Favorite or even have only Danny Baker. It looks like the full BBC London schedule. -- bpa ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread Triode
You should already be able to add a brand/series menu to your favorites by clicking the heart icon in web interface on the relavent menu. This is intended to store the relavent information to always build the latest menu for that brand/series. I think you can then add this to the alarm playlist,

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread bpa
Did a quick test The following gives an XML of Danny Bakers current epsiodes on iPlayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p001d7kl/episodes/player.xml Similarly for COTW http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tnxf/episodes/player.xml Bad news is that I think BBCiPlayer will need a new parser to hand

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread bpa
One line of enquiry which I never fully explored was the fact that program "brands" have a fixed code - Composer of the week is b006tnxf . This code can be used to get info iniCal format such as The COTW programmes currently on iPlayer http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006tnxf/episodes/player.i

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread bpa
The URL organisation is the BBC's responsibility. AlienBBC and BBCiPlayer display and play the programs according to the lists the BBC provides. For a few programmes and mostly for UK listeners - there are podcasts so that Composer of the Week can be played using. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/pod

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-06 Thread Adlopa
Yup, no doubt — I was just hoping that someone had tracked down a similar static weekly URL for the iPlayer content... -- Adlopa Adlopa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=358 View this thread: http:

Re: [SlimDevices: Plugins] AlienBBC, iPlayer & Listen Again...

2009-09-05 Thread Millwood
Same frustration with Composer of the Week on Radio 3. Would love to get back to a stable favorite for the 5 programs. But I suspect it's the BBC's doing, not Alien or BBCPlayer. -- Millwood 2 SB3, 1 Duet Debian Lenny server 2 AP (netgear, linksys) wireless network. -