I have been trying out TIDAL for the last week or so and I have to say
that I am unimpressed with the content of their Music Library. Almost
every artist that I pull up has fewer albums than Spotify does. It's
missing a lot of my Favorites. This would be a 'No-Go' for me!
pippin wrote:
As said before: right now it requires a server to be running. We have an
applet in our closed beta that runs directly on Touch or Radio but
that's not ready for the prime time, yet.
need plugin testers?
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Cut-Throat wrote:
I bought a raspberry Pi to fool around with. I had it hooked up to my
system and could also hear a Hum in my 114db Oris Horns that was not
there with my SBTs. As an Audiophile, I did not to mess with this Pi
anymore.
Actually in my case it was actually the Pi (or rather
Pascal Hibon wrote:
If I decide to no longer use the renting service, my investment is gone
(aka 0 CD's; 0 tracks).
That's why I have a good r2r and cassette tape recorder...
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is it likely any plugin will require a server to be running? Spotify
doesn't but Qobuz does, not a huge issue but my raspberry Pi makes a
slight hum and sometimes needs rebooting.
Presumably just keep checking this forum to see is any developments with
the app. :D
As said before: right now it requires a server to be running. We have an
applet in our closed beta that runs directly on Touch or Radio but
that's not ready for the prime time, yet.
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pippin wrote:
As said before: right now it requires a server to be running. We have an
applet in our closed beta that runs directly on Touch or Radio but
that's not ready for the prime time, yet.
Would the app run on any squeezeplay based player or just genuine
hardware.
I have several O2
Interesting question. I have never tried this. It will also probably
depend a bit on the service but I think if you can install applets it
should generally work, at least on Linux.
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Bluedroog wrote:
not a huge issue but my raspberry Pi makes a slight hum and sometimes
needs rebooting.
I bought a raspberry Pi to fool around with. I had it hooked up to my
system and could also hear a Hum in my 114db Oris Horns that was not
there with my SBTs. As an Audiophile, I did
Cut-Throat wrote:
I bought a raspberry Pi to fool around with. I had it hooked up to my
system and could also hear a Hum in my 114db Oris Horns that was not
there with my SBTs. As an Audiophile, I did not to mess with this Pi
anymore.
Yes, out-of-the-box audio via audio jack is mediocre at
@remd
Will the new plugins you are building for ickstream be LMS plugins? That
would be great, because all LMS users could profit and reliance on
Mysqueezebox.com would be reduced.
New Deezer, Google Play Music and so on Plugins would be great!
@commander - Yes we'll provide a lms plugin which will give access to
TIDAL and more..
Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A
world of music at your fingertips.
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Ok thanks. Any special repos I should be adding?
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Has anyone established whether the existing WiMP plugin works with the
US/UK service yet? Michael?
AFAIK it won't work. As pippin mentioned Tidal would require a new
implementation using a new API.
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Although I don't really have much interest in TIDAL at the moment, I'm
curious: Will it be getting official support by Logitech and
mysqueezebox.com?
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Although I don't really have much interest in TIDAL at the moment, I'm
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mysqueezebox.com?
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So Tidal does pretty much what you would expect (unless you're a
dyed-in-the-wool optimist). Absolute garbage in their videos.
This is an MP3 -- the sound lacks liveliness
Now in lossless... This is lossless sound quality -- a fully detailed,
richer sound.
AAC 320 sounds just okay.
The video
remd wrote:
Tidal will be available on ickStream for Squeezebox users soon, so stay
tuned !
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?102381-Tidal-Hi-Resolution-Streams-available-on-ickStream-soon-for-all-Squeezebox-users!
Well, this is Great News!. Can you explain a bit how this
Has anyone established whether the existing WiMP plugin works with the
US/UK service yet? Michael?
Two track 1's and no track 2 after a scan for new and changed? Please
vote for serious scanning bug '17782'
(http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17782)
Receiver stuck at blue LED state
I don't think it does. I think it uses the old WiMP API
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Problem is for that its hard to do , I can order wimp hifi for a test
month and probably compare wimp spotify and my own files , but still
hard to keep track of volume differences, different masters etc and also
other variations such a some more obscure artist migth not yet have
dafiend wrote:
I agree with all that.
But why not compare lossy and lossless offline? To my knowledge, no
reliable method exists to ABX streams. And doesn't it seem a bit
far-fetched to assume that a given streaming provider will treat a given
release differently for lossy than lossless?
Mnyb wrote:
It would not feasible to blind test 47000 tracks :P
Sure, and again you're making some reasonable points.
I guess I'm just saying that I don't expect a reasonable test to be
mission impossible. Disable all options (such as loudness correction
options) in the streaming client, and
dafiend wrote:
Sure, and again you're making some reasonable points.
I guess I'm just saying that I don't expect a reasonable test to be
mission impossible. Disable all options (such as loudness correction
options) in the streaming client, and capture lossy and lossless
streams. I suspect
Tidal launched today in the US/UK.
Michael: where's my plugin at? ;)
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netchord wrote:
Tidal launched today in the US/UK.
Michael: where's my plugin at? ;)
Haha .
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Tidal launched today in the US/UK.
Michael: where's my plugin at? ;)
+1 !! ;-)
Actually I'm a newbie here - although I've been using SBS/LMS for
years Currently LMS via Squeezeplug on a Odroid U3, storage on a
NAS, 2 Squeezebox players and on O2 Joggler that plays
kesey wrote:
JJZolx, how can you by any possible stretch of the imagination work out
that a choice of music of 25,000,000 tracks at a resolution of 16/44.1
is unfairly priced at $20.00 per month? As long as one listens to it,
and has the network speed capable of avoiding buffering etc, there
Pascal Hibon wrote:
Sure, but once you stop paying $20 a month you end up with 0 tracks.
I also find $20 too expensive to rent music, even if it is CD quality.
And if you don't pay your electric Bill, you can't listen to those CDs
any moreSuch is Life.
mintaudio wrote:
Well, despite all your arguments I already use Qobuz, and have signed up
with Tidal as a comparison. Not sure what that says about me ;)
Looking forward to seeing how the plugin goes- Michael has done great
work with Qobuz.
That migth actually depend on where you are
Cut-Throat wrote:
And if you don't pay your electric Bill, you can't listen to those CDs
any moreSuch is Life.
What kind of argument is that? If it doesn't rain you won't get wet.
I was referring to your comparison of buying a CD a month at $20 vs
streaming at $20 a month.
Once I
Well, despite all your arguments I already use Qobuz, and have signed up
with Tidal as a comparison. Not sure what that says about me ;)
Looking forward to seeing how the plugin goes- Michael has done great
work with Qobuz.
pippin wrote:
No, it's a misunderstanding. Spotify DOES have a feature to normalize
volume across tracks and it DOES do additional dynamics compression
degrading the dynamics of your track.
Yeah, I know, but the feature has nothing to do lossy audio encoding.
Remember we were not just
dafiend wrote:
Yeah, I know, but the feature has nothing to do lossy audio encoding.
Remember we were not just talking about Spotify but also about WiMP and
such.
.
Yes thats it ,what they achive in practice not in theory , and for
spotify I'm actually convinced that given that you use
dafiend wrote:
Your claim that somebody with impaired hearing is better able to
identify artifacts in lossy audio is highly unorthodox.
Not at all. There have been scientific studies on this and I've tested
it myself with earplugs.
I'll see whether I can find any of it, it's a bit hard due
pippin wrote:
One non-scientific test is here (in German) but I've seen methodically
better ones:
http://www.heise.de/ct/artikel/Kreuzverhoertest-287592.html
I don't think this reference is relevant. The test was conducted in
January 2000. Codecs have improved since then. A LOT.
As for the
dafiend wrote:
I don't think this reference is relevant. The test was conducted in
January 2000. Codecs have improved since then. A LOT.
That's what I said. I've seen newer ones. The principle stays the same.
As for the rest of your post: I don't buy it at all. I really would like
to see
dafiend wrote:
As for the rest of your post: I don't buy it at all. I really would like
to see one of the more knowledgeable posters chime in (Julf, probedb
etc.)
In this case I have to confirm that it is pretty well documented that
some hearing defects do prevent the masking that perceptual
Cut-Throat wrote:
If you want to see the 'Flames Fly'; Just post this on an Audio Forum,
such as Audio Asylum on the PC Audio Forum. -- There are Legions of
People that would disagree vehemently with this Statement.
And there are, of course, Legions of People who are wrong.
I would
Julf wrote:
In this case I have to confirm that it is pretty well documented that
some hearing defects do prevent the masking that perceptual codecs rely
on from working.
Ha! So I guess a little more modesty and a friendlier tone vis-a-vis
pippin would have been in order.
@pippin: Thanks for
Sound Quality aside, the 75,000 HD Music Videos inTidal is well worth
the price of admission for myself.
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Sound Quality aside, the 75,000 HD Music Videos in Tidal is well worth
the price of admission for myself.
Thats actually very interesting ? now what kind of player can get that
to the home theater ? a plugin for a smart TV
Mnyb wrote:
Thats actually very interesting ? now what kind of player can get that
to the home theater ? a plugin for a smart TV
I have a Samsung TV with a Web Browser. Spotify has a Web Player and I
just run a Optical Cable from the Digital out on the TV to my DAC. - I
only do Stereo. I
Squeezemenicely wrote:
The discussion has gone slightly off track. With loads of theories about
lossy in general etc.
Which is fine.
But I would really like to compare Spotify to lossless stream or flac.
Are those of you who believe lossy is just as good as lossless actualy
saying that
dafiend wrote:
The point is that they don't sell better sound quality. The sell a
fantasy or a lifestyle or whatever you want to call it. They target
people who want to get the best but don't realize that what they're
purchasing isn't any better.
Actually, there are disadvantages like
callesoroe wrote:
This is rubbish. There is a huge difference between Wimp 320 kbs and
Wimp-hifi(flac) . You must have a system that can not reveal the
differences. And if you are happy with that, then that is it for you.
But when I only had the possibility to use Spotify 320 kbs
Mnyb wrote:
Edit spotify are using OGG rigth ? and WIMP AAC
Wimp normal is 256 MP3 with squeezeboxes and FLAC as lossless in
Wimp-hifi. You can get 320 AAC but as far as I know not for SB.
Callesoroe
Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan
Vista speakers,
callesoroe wrote:
Wimp normal is 256 MP3 with squeezeboxes and FLAC as lossless in
Wimp-hifi. You can get 320 AAC but as far as I know not for SB.
Ok 256kBps mp3 you cant get the 320k AAC on Squeezeboxes , that makes
normal spotify for squeezebox better than non hifi wimp .
I thought they
callesoroe wrote:
This is rubbish. There is a huge difference between Wimp 320 kbs and
Wimp-hifi(flac) .
Are you basing this claim on double-blind tests? If not, your statement
is audiophool folklore. Blind testing is required to rule out that
perceived differences are due to the placebo
Well, I have been using Spotify for quite a wile now and mostly use it
for streaming pop music. Which is fine, but I used Qobuz lossless or
my own Flac collection for classical - and there really is quite a
difference.
I do not like classical music via Spotify, it is not horrible, but there
is
Squeezemenicely wrote:
Lossless Streaming services do sound better than lossy Streaming
services - this is a completely different discussion than the lossy /
non lossy debate.
The lossy streaming services simply do nt sound as good as the should/
could.
this is an important point, as
dafiend wrote:
Are you basing this claim on double-blind tests? If not, your statement
is audiophool folklore. Blind testing is required to rule out that
perceived differences are due to the placebo effect.
Your claim of an audible difference at 320 kbps contradicts what I've
seen in
callesoroe wrote:
Why not trust your own ears, instead of what others might have
heard..
I can defanately hear the diffference on my system, and thats it for
me
Its a bit hard to do properly , I switched back and forth with spotify
premium 320k ogg (better than wimp 256k mp3 for us
callesoroe wrote:
Why not trust your own ears, instead of what others might have
heard..
I can defanately hear the diffference on my system, and thats it for
me
1.) You cannot trust your ears. It is naive to think your hearing is the
only factor affecting what you perceive to hear.
dafiend wrote:
1.) You cannot trust your ears. It is naive to think your hearing is the
only factor affecting what you perceive to hear. If you do not control
for other factors (such as your prior conscious or subconscious beliefs
about which format sounds better), there is a big risk of
garym wrote:
this is an important point, as I have seen other discussions, including
in this thread, questioning whether some odd volume normalization scheme
is being used by some of the streaming services which can even make the
320kbs files not transparent. That's certainly a variable that
dafiend wrote:
This is a conspiracy theory.
No, it's a misunderstanding. Spotify DOES have a feature to normalize
volume across tracks and it DOES do additional dynamics compression
degrading the dynamics of your track.
It is, however, in the player software and it's an option you can turn
dafiend wrote:
No, but see my next post. I don't see why the big players in the
business have the incentive to degrade the lossy audio they serve on
purpose. Therefore, I'm focusing on debunking the myth that 320 kbps MP3
is audibly inferior to the lossless source. (I also feel the
Btw you are supposed to help spotify with this they have a content team
, you can report bad tracks .
These are known issues that some tracks can be mangled by the uploader .
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pippin wrote:
No, it's a misunderstanding. Spotify DOES have a feature to normalize
volume across tracks and it DOES do additional dynamics compression
degrading the dynamics of your track.
It is, however, in the player software and it's an option you can turn
off, Triode's plugin supports
castalla wrote:
Who actually cares? I just couldn't be bothered to search through 25 m
tracks for something I may or not like.
Search Engines are a Beautiful thing!;)
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Cut-Throat wrote:
I do like the idea that there is a streaming service that says that they
will put Sound Quality as their number one priority.
The point is that they don't sell better sound quality. The sell a
fantasy or a lifestyle or whatever you want to call it. They target
people who
Mnyb wrote:
I have some misgivings about this idea .
I do love my lossles flac files for archiving my own discs and local
content and music bought elsewhere , Great lossless and free can be kept
in pristine quality forever transcoded to new formats forever , my
grandchildren can inherit
Mnyb wrote:
It is a proven fact (no ifs and buts about it its tested to death) that
is extremely unlikely that a human can distinguish a good lossy decoding
say 320kBps lame encoded mp3 from the lossles source . So why stream
lossles ?
If you want to see the 'Flames Fly'; Just post this
Cut-Throat wrote:
What continually amazes me is the number of people that pay over $100 a
month for a smart (Stupid) phone!
Seriously? If you're under 40, everyone you know has one. EVERYONE. Not
having a smartphone would be like not owning shoes or not having a TV
back in 1970. Music
JJZolx wrote:
Seriously? If you're under 40, everyone you know has one. EVERYONE. Not
having a smartphone would be like not owning shoes or not having a TV
back in 1970. Music streaming today is a commodity. Pandora with ads is
free. Pandora One is *$4.99* per month.
Yup, you're right! -
JJZolx wrote:
...wooosh...
You've been raving about your 320 kbps MOG and Spotify streaming for
years and have even claimed that you now lsten to little else. So when
did you suddenly become an audiophile?
JJZolx, how can you by any possible stretch of the imagination work out
that a
kesey wrote:
JJZolx, how can you by any possible stretch of the imagination work out
that a choice of music of 25,000,000 tracks at a resolution of 16/44.1
is unfairly priced at $20.00 per month? As long as one listens to it,
and has the network speed capable of avoiding buffering etc, there
I have some misgivings about this idea .
I do love my lossles flac files for archiving my own discs and local
content and music bought elsewhere , Great lossless and free can be kept
in pristine quality forever transcoded to new formats forever , my
grandchildren can inherit the files.
But for
Mnyb wrote:
It is a proven fact (no ifs and buts about it its tested to death) that
is extremely unlikely that a human can distinguish a good lossy decoding
say 320kBps lame encoded mp3 from the lossles source . So why stream
lossles ?
I was mocked in this very thread about enjoying
Cut-Throat wrote:
I was mocked in this very thread about enjoying 320kbps, so it would
seem that JJZolx would have no trouble differentiating between 320kbps
and lossless. I think 320kbps sounds great and I would not bet that I
could pick out the difference between that and lossless. I have
Cut-Throat wrote:
I think 320kbps sounds great and I would not bet that I could pick out
the difference between that and lossless.
And yet you claim that you'll gladly pay 2 to 4 times the monthly cost
for a lossless version of what you already listen to. Nothing about this
makes any sense to
JJZolx wrote:
And yet you claim that you'll gladly pay 2 to 4 times the monthly cost
for a lossless version of what you already listen to. Nothing about this
makes any sense to me.
All I'm saying is that $20 per month is more than I'm willing to pay for
a streaming music service. ANY
castalla wrote:
Who actually cares?
Streaming services are great, at the right price.
I just couldn't be bothered to search through 25 m tracks for something
I may or not like.
There's a (big) difference between searching through 25M tracks and
browsing 25M tracks. Sounds like you would
JJZolx wrote:
And yet you claim that you'll gladly pay 2 to 4 times the monthly cost
for a lossless version of what you already listen to. Nothing about this
makes any sense to me.
All I'm saying is that $20 per month is more than I'm willing to pay for
a streaming music service. ANY
Cut-Throat wrote:
Service has 25 Million tracks of Audio in FLAC Lossless. And 75,000 HD
Music Videos !!
Should be available by this Fall. $20 a month.
I wonder if the Squeezebox touch will Be able to stream it. Maybe Triode
Knows?
'TIDAL' (http://lnc.hr/evyda)
It is US version of
Oh, I'm pretty confident there will be a solution for SB users ;)
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$20.00 per month?
Pass.
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JJZolx wrote:
$20.00 per month?
Pass.
For a 25 Million Track Library? And 75,000 HD Videos. A bargain to
be Sure for the Price of 1 or 2 CDs per month?
Or am I missing something?
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Then how about $100 per month? By your logic, that too would be a huge
bargain.
No thanks.
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Then how about $100 per month? By your logic, that too would be a huge
bargain.
No thanks.
It's going to be a very difficult sale to consumers in the US, with the
success of Pandora and the lower pricing of a half-dozen competing
services. Few people care enough about
Cut-Throat wrote:
Well, I don't don't know where your $100 a month came from. It isn't
that price, so why are you talking about it?
...wooosh...
But for $20 a month for an audiophile like myself it is a Huge Bargain.
You've been raving about your 320 kbps MOG and Spotify streaming for
callesoroe wrote:
It is US version of Wimp. Hope for you that Michael can get it to Work
on SB like Wimp. Because Wimp-hifi is awsome :)
Talking of WiMP: Is there a possibility to use WiMP from Switzerland? Or
is it just available in Scandinavia, Poland, and Germany? I browsed the
catalogue
JJZolx wrote:
...wooosh...
You've been raving about your 320 kbps MOG and Spotify streaming for
years and have even claimed that you now lsten to little else. So when
did you suddenly become an audiophile?
Geez Man, why the hostility. Yes, I love MOG and Spotify and the
320 kpbs
Talking of WiMP: Is there a possibility to use WiMP from Switzerland? Or
is it just available in Scandinavia, Poland, and Germany?
It's not available in Switzerland.
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