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Hal Kaplan wrote:
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Hmmm. You just made that up, didn't you?
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= Hmmm. You just made that up, didn't you?
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No, Vince.
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Hmmm. You just made that up
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= And the second problem is that all of the folks in the biz
= would want to be grandfathered in. Who in their right mind
= would submit to having to gain credentials (that they may or
= may not be qualified
computer professionals. Or imagine the converse: that doctors made
their recommendations not on the best interests of the patient, but
on what would generate the most revenue for the doctor himself
??
You don't think this is happening already?
Mark Stanton
One small step for mankind...
On 1/18/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
TOTALLY WRONG Hal I'm afraid. The thing that qualifies someone to be a
computer professional in its true sense (where software is concerned anyhow)
is the ability to write GOOD software,
That's certainly one opinion. I think there are likely
On 1/18/07, Chet Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...
Can't certify art...
Practitioners might argue that good practice of many professions
qualify as art: medicine, law, plumbing, carpentry... basic
proficiency and perhaps basic
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The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...
Can't
And yet, still, 90% of lawyers and doctors are only maginally competent
at best...
As for plumbers and carpenters -- certification is not designed to
weed out the incompetent but rather to raise the bar for entry into
lucrative professions to the favored few. In many cases, originally, it
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= The real reason is that programming is an art, not a science...
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= Can't certify art...
=
Chet, you are absolutely right that programming is an art.
So is ...
An architect
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= maginally competent at best...
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= As for plumbers and carpenters -- certification is not
= designed to weed out the incompetent but rather to raise the
= bar for entry into
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to be an artist.
I'm glad I no longer make my living in computers 'cause folks, it's
getting to be way too regimented and structured for my artist's taste...
Certify away!!
Cheers;
Hal Kaplan wrote:
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You're right. It was the white TRADE unions** who were keeping out
those others. I was stretching an argument when I didn't have to.
Silly me. :-)
Hmmm, are lives at risk from bad BUSINESS programming practices? I
can see where lives could be at risk from programmers who write process
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= Hmmm, are lives at risk from bad BUSINESS programming
= practices? I can see where lives could be at risk from
= programmers who write process control programs for nucular
= power plants or automobiles. Interesting question, eh?
=
=
I was rather pleased at how quickly and efficiently that nasty
government bureaucracy, the SSA, got me signed up and money dropping
into my account...
Hal Kaplan wrote:
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= Hmmm, are lives at risk from bad BUSINESS programming
=
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And yet, still, 90% of lawyers and doctors are only maginally competent
at best...
As for plumbers and carpenters -- certification is not designed to
weed out the incompetent but rather to raise the bar for entry
But the basics of these professions: the chemistry of life, anatomy,
legal precedent, torts, etc. are independent of commercialism. Intel and
AMD may be making a lot of bits, but they did not invent them. A
thorough understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some math,
At 11:22 PM 1/16/2007 -0800, Chet Gardiner wrote:
Very, Very old news. We knew this many, many years ago...
That's one of the reasons the DOJ (under GHWB and Clinton) hauled their
asses into court only to have gwb let them off the hook...
...
Well, in some ways it is new news to all the MS
Ok, now I remember. Obviously, WE would have written the better app!
John
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On Jan 17, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
The saddest thing is computer professionals will still continue
to use
and promote MS. I'll bet this will have little impact on most of the
MS-heads out there.
Imagine if there were the equivalent to the Hippocratic Oath for
Ed Leafe wrote:
The attitude of most computer professionals is more akin to that
of lawyers: milk the client for whatever you can simply because you can.
Sad, but true. And that's what taints our professional and gives us the
black eye.
--
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software
=
= Ed Leafe wrote:
= The attitude of most computer professionals is more
= akin to that of
= lawyers: milk the client for whatever you can simply
= because you can.
=
=
= Sad, but true. And that's what taints our professional and
= gives us the
= black eye.
=
= --
=
= Michael
Hal Kaplan wrote:
I know Ed does not like lawyers but I do not know why. It really is a shame
how 95% of the profession makes things bad for the other 5%. Personally, I
think lawyer is a pejorative term and I insist that my wife refer to
herself as an attorney at law.
Every operating
Hal Kaplan wrote:
I know Ed does not like lawyers but I do not know why. It really is a shame
how 95% of the profession makes things bad for the other 5%.
Excellent!
IMHO, the real problem with computer professionals is that they are NOT.
Unlike other professionals, computer pros do
= That's because plumbing changes very little, so a standard
= set of skills and exams can be developed and honed over
= time. With computing everything changes too quickly for
= these things to take shape. By the time you have become an
= NT guru it is out of date. Your MCSD etc. does not
On Jan 17, 2007, at 12:16 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
I too wish they would require some sort of testing of qualifications.
The only way that that would work is if the testing/certification
body was impartial. Try to find one of those these days.
-- Ed Leafe
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On Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:03 PM Ed Leafe wrote:
The only way that that would work is if the
testing/certification body was impartial. Try
to find one of those these days.
Flash back to when there was a committee to standardize the XBase
language and each company that produced like
David Crooks wrote:
On Wednesday, January 17, 2007 1:03 PM Ed Leafe wrote:
The only way that that would work is if the
testing/certification body was impartial. Try
to find one of those these days.
Flash back to when there was a committee to standardize the XBase
language and each
= And the second problem is that all of the folks in the biz
= would want to be grandfathered in. Who in their right mind
= would submit to having to gain credentials (that they may or
= may not be qualified to earn) to do what they've been doing
= for the last 10 or 20 years?
=
= So, just
Hal Kaplan wrote:
snipped A thorough understanding of algorithmic principles, database, some
math, regression, ETHICS, etc. is what should qualify someone to be a
computer professional.
Perhaps that's why most of these charge 'em as much as you can bozos
and other non-ethical folks
On 1/17/07, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only way that that would work is if the testing/certification
body was impartial. Try to find one of those these days.
How about A+ or LPI or ICCP? There are a lot of attempts.I believe one
will eventually succeed. Then there'll be a
for experience and natural ability in this business.
Dave Crozier
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= And the second
...Microsoft used undocumented APIs that allowed its developers to write
programs that worked better with Windows than competitors', according to the
latest testimony in the Iowa antitrust action against the company
.Alepin had earlier claimed that Microsoft ran special demonstration
programs
Dave Crozier wrote:
...Microsoft used undocumented APIs that allowed its developers to write
programs that worked better with Windows than competitors', according to the
latest testimony in the Iowa antitrust action against the company
.Alepin had earlier claimed that Microsoft ran
On 1/16/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Naughty Microsoft,
As if they would do this sort of thing. It must be spin put out by the
opposition BG.
No, a search for Windows Undocumented APIs hardly reveals any
decades-long patterns at all...
--
Ted Roche
Ted Roche Associates, LLC
Ted Roche wrote:
On 1/16/07, Dave Crozier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Naughty Microsoft,
As if they would do this sort of thing. It must be spin put out by the
opposition BG.
No, a search for Windows Undocumented APIs hardly reveals any
decades-long patterns at all...
Why
Dave Crozier wrote:
...Microsoft used undocumented APIs that allowed its developers to
write programs that worked better with Windows than competitors',
according to the latest testimony in the Iowa antitrust action
against the company
.Alepin had earlier claimed that Microsoft ran
Stephen the Cook wrote:
Dave Crozier wrote:
...Microsoft used undocumented APIs that allowed its developers to
write programs that worked better with Windows than competitors',
according to the latest testimony in the Iowa antitrust action
against the company
.Alepin had earlier
Nope, I don't remember... what were we trying to do again?
John
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john harvey wrote:
Nope, I don't remember... what were we trying to do again?
There was talk of which sig could write the better app. We were going to go
first and delete access from our app as I remember. :)
Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
Our scientific
Very, Very old news. We knew this many, many years ago...
That's one of the reasons the DOJ (under GHWB and Clinton) hauled their
asses into court only to have gwb let them off the hook...
Dave Crozier wrote:
...Microsoft used undocumented APIs that allowed its developers to write
programs
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