On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things?
Not very well, imo.
Wait, bloggers can keep the free laptops after all: Microsoft
http://apcmag.com/4895/wait_bloggers_can_keep_the_free_laptops_after_all_microsoft
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Rick Schummer wrote:
... you don't succeed in business by being ethical.
Ed, are you saying you can only succeed by being unethical? Or that
there are more factors in play including being ethical to be
successful?
No, I'm saying that
Ed Leafe wrote:
I guess you missed the part where these laptops where expressly
*not* sent to the bloggers for review purposes. They went out of
their way to make it clear that there was absolutely no requirement
that a review of any sort be done, much less published. It was a gift
in
On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:27 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
No, I'm saying that ethics alone does not determine your success.
You succeed by dominating a market, whether your product is better
than the competition or not, or whether you act ethically or not.
What a limited view of life.
On Jan 1, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Missed that point when made.
Well, uh, that was the whole focus of the discussion. Kinda makes it
hard to discuss things when one party isn't aware of what is being
discussed.
Why? What ethics do bloggers have? Swift Boaters
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Subject: RE: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?)
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Rick Schummer wrote:
... you don't succeed in business by being ethical.
Ed, are you saying you can only succeed by being unethical? Or that
there are more
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS.
A better analogy would be if Apple sent a killer home theatre
system to the reviewer for free with no strings attached, on the
hope that he might
On Dec 31, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Not even close in a comparison to the reality at hand. You can
attempt to
load Vista on any x86 hardware and YMMV. Ram, processor, video
card are all
big factors to the successful running of the software, wouldn't you
agree?
On Dec 31, 2006, at 2:38 PM, Rick Schummer wrote:
... you don't succeed in business by being ethical.
Ed, are you saying you can only succeed by being unethical? Or that
there are more factors in play
including being ethical to be successful?
No, I'm saying that ethics alone does
On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things?
Do you really think Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal goes to
some secret underground Apple Store to buy his hot new iPod to review
a month before it's even announced? Do you think
On Dec 30, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Ted Roche wrote:
Do you really think Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal goes to
some secret underground Apple Store to buy his hot new iPod to review
a month before it's even announced? Do you think hardware review sites
sneak into processor fabs late at
On 12/30/06, Ed Leafe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS.
I hadn't followed the case that closely; I know MS was the one who
sent the units to some of their influencers. Was Acer not involved?
A better analogy would be if
Q: Why are there rules in congress against our legislators receiving
gifts from lobbyist? A: Can anyone say Quid Pro Quo:
http://www.answers.com/topic/quid-pro-quo
Regards,
LelandJ
Ted Roche wrote:
On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is MSFT paying bloggers to say
Ed Leafe wrote:
Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS.
A better analogy would be if Apple sent a killer home theatre system
to the reviewer for free with no strings attached, on the hope that
he might evaluate the video iPod.
What a load of crap.
On Dec 30, 2006, at 7:51 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
Uh, the review wasn't for the laptop; it was for the Vista OS.
A better analogy would be if Apple sent a killer home theatre system
to the reviewer for free with no strings attached, on the hope that
he might evaluate the video
On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things?
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2077596,00.asp
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/28.html
Really pathetic, if you ask me. If Vista offered anything compelling
people
Ed,
Really pathetic, if you ask me. If Vista offered anything compelling people
would be flocking to
it, rather than having to be bribed with a free laptop in order to try it out.
First I will say I have never accepted a dime for ads on my Web site, never
blogged after being
bribed, and have
On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First I will say I have never accepted a dime for ads on my Web site, never
blogged after being
bribed, and have not made up my mind if this is something right or wrong. I
do know disclosure is
an absolute requirement if it is in play. I
On Dec 29, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Rick Schummer wrote:
I look forward to you helping me make up my mind if this is really
wrong, or just another way companies can market.
Why the free laptop? Why not provide a free copy of Vista? Why not
do what hardware companies do, and provide a paid
I look forward to you helping me make up my mind if this is really wrong, or
just another way
companies can market. Or is this another opinion you are forming because you
really dislike
Microsoft and by default it is evil?
If someone doesn't disclose front and center that, by the way, the
Planting stuff in someone's garden in the hope that it blossoms into
something positive is not new and the use of bloggers will not be the
last effort in this vein.
What is being discussed here is quite simply, trust. Trust is one of
those things like respect, love, and software documentation
= Subject: Re: [NF] Oooo, isn't Vista shiny? (paid to blog positively?)
=
= There's another piece here... MSFT has long intimidated
= folks with the threat of being excluded if you don't play by
= their rules. I have a long, involved history in this,
= spanning a decade and a half, from both
Hi Ed,
Thanks for responding.
Why the free laptop? Why not provide a free copy of Vista? Why not do
what hardware
companies do, and provide a paid shipping box for returning the hardware after
the review?
I agree this is a bit much. If I was a blogger in this situation I would be
Thanks for the discussion Ted.
My disclaimer page is at http://www.tedroche.com/blog/?page_id=2621.
I am curious about Recent winners should sit on their hands and let someone
else play for a
change.
Care to explain?
Rick
White Light Computing, Inc.
www.whitelightcomputing.com
On 12/28/06, Whil Hentzen (Pro*) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things?
How is that different from handing out free copies of MSDN Galactic?
A favorite Saturday radio show is Michael Feldman's Whad'YaKnow
with its predictable lineup of standup, quiz shows,
On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am curious about Recent winners should sit on their hands and let someone
else play for a
change.
That's from the PRI show Whatd'yaknow? when they read the
disclaimers before playing the call-in quiz game. Pretty obscure,
although I
On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was trying to emphasize that I have not made up my mind
on the topic of PayForPost.
Tweet! Timeout! Off sides! I'd just like to clarify the context of our
discussion here.
Big-J Journalists have an explicit code of ethics that claims
Tweet! Timeout! Off sides! I'd just like to clarify the context of our
discussion here.
Thanks for the official clarification Ted.
But I really think the difference between a service designed to pay hired
people to blog about
products, and individual or independent people blogging about
On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I really think the difference between a service designed to pay hired
people to blog about
products, and individual or independent people blogging about products
because some company sends
them something (money, computers, free
I see it differently, but suspect we agree more than disagree.
Definitely.
I just read on Geek News Central about Microsoft pulling the laptops back after
the bloggers are
done with the reviews. Dilbertville style of management lives strong even on
the holiday break for
some people.
On 12/29/06, Rick Schummer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just read on Geek News Central about Microsoft pulling the laptops back
after the bloggers are
done with the reviews. Dilbertville style of management lives strong even on
the holiday break for
some people.
Well, on the bright side, at
Is MSFT paying bloggers to say nice things?
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2077596,00.asp
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/28.html
Whil
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