Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-27 Thread Stephen Russell
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Ken Dibble krdib...@frontiernet.net wrote: 2. Many search engines strip out punctuation of all kinds, and sometimes even spaces, in user input, before submitting the search term to a query. This is what Google does, in essence (though I'm sure they're much

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-27 Thread Grigore Dolghin
I watched the video. While I agree that works, it still sucks. DROP can be LEGIT data. I just don't understand why people avoid a built-in fail-proof method readily available and use instead all sorts of improvisations. WTF. What if @Filters is longer than 200 chars? On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:49

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-27 Thread Grigore Dolghin
Sorry, I pressed send to early. It also executes the select with Exec. So much about query optimizer, data exection plan, built-in statistics. Frankly, if I'd be his boss I'd fire him ON THE SPOT. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Grigore Dolghin gdolg...@gmail.com wrote: I watched the video.

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-27 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 27, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Grigore Dolghin wrote: I watched the video. While I agree that works, it still sucks. DROP can be LEGIT data. I just don't understand why people avoid a built-in fail-proof method readily available and use instead all sorts of improvisations. WTF. What if @Filters

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-27 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Grigore Dolghin gdolg...@gmail.com wrote: I watched the video. While I agree that works, it still sucks. DROP can be LEGIT data. I just don't understand why people avoid a built-in fail-proof method readily available and use instead all sorts of improvisations.

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-27 Thread Stephen Russell
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Grigore Dolghin gdolg...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I pressed send to early. It also executes the select with Exec. So much about query optimizer, data exection plan, built-in statistics. Frankly, if I'd be his boss I'd fire him ON THE SPOT. --

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-27 Thread Grigore Dolghin
IMO, you succeeded proving your point. On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Grigore Dolghin gdolg...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I pressed send to early. It also executes the select with Exec. So much about query optimizer,

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-26 Thread Ken Dibble
/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/for_traffic_cameras .jpg hehehe ;) -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 11:37 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-26 Thread Grigore Dolghin
, 2011 6:20 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app I think they should put that on the fronts of two railway locomotives and have them crash into each other. A perfect metaphor for what we were talking about. I want to thank everybody who responded. I understand

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-26 Thread Grigore Dolghin
or that will never happen in my system -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:20 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app I think they should put

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-26 Thread Ken Dibble
And one more thing: I am still waiting for your answer on this: what your application does if the user wants to search for Mom and Pop shop (double quotes included, because that's the real name of the shop)? I really hope you won't tell me I do not allow double quotes in the name or that will

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-26 Thread Grigore Dolghin
Of Ken Dibble Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:34 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app And one more thing: I am still waiting for your answer on this: what your application does if the user wants to search for Mom and Pop shop (double quotes included

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-26 Thread Paul Hill
On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Ken Dibble krdib...@frontiernet.net wrote: And one more thing: I am still waiting for your answer on this: what your application does if the user wants to search for Mom and Pop shop (double quotes included, because that's the real name of the shop)? I really

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-26 Thread Ken Dibble
2. Many search engines strip out punctuation of all kinds, and sometimes even spaces, in user input, before submitting the search term to a query. This is what Google does, in essence (though I'm sure they're much more sophisticated about it than I can be). Thankfully it doesn't. I

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:30 AM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app In order to execute code that modifies a table you have to have a valid EXECUTABLE statement, right? So something like DROP TABLE would

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Ken Dibble krdib...@frontiernet.net wrote: In order to execute code that modifies a table you have to have a valid EXECUTABLE statement, right? So something like DROP TABLE would be a bad thing. What I don't understand is how any sane person would

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
At 01:18 PM 6/25/2011 +0300, you wrote: Open your application, please, and in any textbox that is used for a SELECT operation, enter this: '] (exactly as I typed - double quote, single quote, close square bracket). And please let me know what happened. What would happen is that my application

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:19 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app At 01:18 PM 6/25/2011 +0300, you wrote: Open your application, please, and in any textbox that is used for a SELECT operation, enter this: '] (exactly as I typed - double quote, single

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
How do people login in your applications? Find anything by user supplied search via Name. The user would not have the Users table available as an option to search, first of all. My interface only permits searches on certain tables. The user can't cause the system to execute 'SELECT password

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
Right. I'm your user and I enter '] as my name. what you gonna do? -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:34 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
Open your application, please, and in any textbox that is used for a SELECT operation, enter this: '] (exactly as I typed - double quote, single quote, close square bracket). And please let me know what happened. What would happen is that my application would say that was an invalid entry

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
Right. I'm your user and I enter '] as my name. what you gonna do? Any character text to be searched for in a SELECT wIill be surrounded by double quotes. (Any textbox that is for some data type other than character would not accept your proposed string.) So if I didn't have any validation

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Dan Covill
On 6/25/2011 7:34 AM, Ken Dibble wrote: The thing I don't get about this is that this is obvious to me, a journeyman database developer, as being the only sane way to allow ordinary users access to data. I do not understand why anybody would do it any other way, and I don't understand how it

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
And THAT is sql injection. It crashes your application. -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 6:06 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
In VFP, the error is Command contains unrecognized phrase/keyword And THAT is sql injection. It crashes your application. I guess. It doesn't crash the server, just the data-entry front-end. And it wouldn't have to do that if I wrapped it in a TRY... CATCH and just returned Invalid Entry when

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 25, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: And THAT is sql injection. It crashes your application. I guess. It doesn't crash the server, just the data-entry front-end. And it wouldn't have to do that if I wrapped it in a TRY... CATCH and just returned Invalid Entry when it happened.

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ken Dibble Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:35 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app In VFP, the error is Command contains unrecognized phrase/keyword And THAT is sql

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
Unbelievable. There are TONS of books saying sanitize your input strings and use parameters for sql queries and you're giving me this shit. WTF. Isn't that what I've been saying? My question is, how could anybody have ever done anything different? Why would anybody ever design a user interface

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
SQL injection can do all sorts of damage: it can simply delete all of your data; it can reveal admin passwords, employee information, etc. In essence, it enables bad guys to execute any data command they want. The rule to follow is always to sanitize inputs from users.

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 25, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: I'm not saying that if you somehow managed to execute an SQL statement that contained nasty code it wouldn't do damage. I am just sitting here scratching my head wondering how anybody but a complete idiot would ever design a user interface

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
] Questions on migrating VFP app On Jun 25, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Ken Dibble wrote: I'm not saying that if you somehow managed to execute an SQL statement that contained nasty code it wouldn't do damage. I am just sitting here scratching my head wondering how anybody but a complete idiot would

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Mike Copeland
concatenating them in the sql, and they will be treated as literal values. -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:18 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
Yes. -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike Copeland Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:49 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Wow, if it's that simple (using parameterized

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:49 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Wow, if it's that simple (using parameterized queries) then I'm stupid lucky...that's how I've done SQL statements for a backend server (MYSQL) from day 1. So just by using parameters

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Mike Copeland
Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike Copeland Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:49 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Wow, if it's that simple (using parameterized queries) then I'm stupid

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
You're more than welcome, Mike :) -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Mike Copeland Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 11:08 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Grigore

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Mike Copeland
10:49 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Wow, if it's that simple (using parameterized queries) then I'm stupid lucky...that's how I've done SQL statements for a backend server (MYSQL) from day 1. So just by using parameters (?lcName) instead

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
: Saturday, June 25, 2011 10:49 PM To: profoxt...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Wow, if it's that simple (using parameterized queries) then I'm stupid lucky...that's how I've done SQL statements for a backend server (MYSQL) from day 1. So just by using parameters

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ken Dibble
Users don't enter entire SQL statements; you're right: nobody's that stupid. But they do let them enter values that are then merged with SQL templates in your code and executed. Here's the simplest example: you provide a textbox for the user to type into, and then do

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Grigore Dolghin
...@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Users don't enter entire SQL statements; you're right: nobody's that stupid. But they do let them enter values that are then merged with SQL templates in your code and executed. Here's the simplest example: you provide

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Grigore Dolghin wrote: On the funny side: http://www.grigore.dolghin.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/for_traffic_cameras .jpg hehehe ;) And, of course, the classic: http://xkcd.com/327/ -- Ed Leafe ___

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-25 Thread John Harvey
, June 25, 2011 6:53 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app On Jun 25, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Grigore Dolghin wrote: On the funny side: http://www.grigore.dolghin.ro/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/for_traffic_cameras .jpg hehehe ;) And, of course

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Thierry Nivelet
Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:47 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Just completing my previous point ... If your client has real irrational concerns about security, you can always install the 'web' server in his LAN, and keep maintenance

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Thierry Nivelet
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:47 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Just completing my previous point ... If your client has real irrational concerns about security, you can always install the 'web' server in his LAN, and keep maintenance control

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/24/2011 3:32 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Just a minor point, your app can move to the web with any kind of database: VFP, SQLserver, PostGreSql, etc. FoxInCloud just does not care. VFP database on a web server is much more secured, reliable and fast: Secured: it resides in the app

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Fletcher Johnson
-Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:08 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Yeap, I understand, they do fall in the irrational, technophobe group I

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Thierry Nivelet
...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:08 AM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Yeap, I understand, they do fall in the irrational, technophobe group I was mentioning. And, strangely enough

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Thierry Nivelet
All xBase commands are fine. In fact FiC is a wrapper around your app, very agnostic on how it deals with data. Just one thing: INTO CURSOR should be READWRITE thn Le 24/06/11 14:17, MB Software Solutions, LLC a écrit : On 6/24/2011 3:32 AM, Thierry Nivelet wrote: Just a minor point, your app

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Ken Dibble
Granted VFP program design is 95% prone to sql injection. You combine text to form the command and you execute that generated statement. Poof SQL Injection is going to be difficult to stop. I'm obviously completely ignorant about this because I do not understand this SQL Injection issue.

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Stephen Russell
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Ken Dibble krdib...@frontiernet.net wrote:  Granted VFP program design is 95% prone to sql injection.  You combine text to form the command and you execute that generated statement.  Poof SQL Injection is going to be difficult to stop. I'm obviously completely

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-24 Thread Ken Dibble
In order to execute code that modifies a table you have to have a valid EXECUTABLE statement, right? So something like DROP TABLE would be a bad thing. What I don't understand is how any sane person would design a query interface that results in a statement like DROP TABLE being

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Alan Bourke
On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:41 -0400, Ed Leafe e...@leafe.com wrote: Python, as it is a popular, powerful, and growing language. According to the latest Tiobe index, Lua is the fastest growing language, and Python is sinking a bit. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jeff Johnson j...@san-dc.com wrote: I tell my customers I don't do web apps  I can't afford the security issues and all of my customers are small businesses and they are very happy with my approach.  I don't know if they will ever solve the Internet security

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Kevin Cully
I've been enjoying developing in Real Studio by Real Software. http://realsoftware.com/ -- Easy transition for VFP developers to being productive in RS -- Singular IDE -- Company based in Austin, TX, USA -- Desktop application development on Win, Lin, Mac -- Reasonably priced for developers -- No

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 4:00 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: According to the latest Tiobe index, Lua is the fastest growing language, and Python is sinking a bit. Never heard of Lua! ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance:

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 9:26 AM, Kevin Cully wrote: I've been enjoying developing in Real Studio by Real Software. http://realsoftware.com/ -- Easy transition for VFP developers to being productive in RS -- Singular IDE -- Company based in Austin, TX, USA -- Desktop application development on Win,

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Ted Roche
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: According to the latest Tiobe index, Lua is the fastest growing language, and Python is sinking a bit. And Budweiser is the most popular beer, and Ford the car brand. I'd still rather enjoy a Shoals Pale Ale and a

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Jeff Johnson
On 06/23/2011 06:10 AM, Stephen Russell wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jeff Johnsonj...@san-dc.com wrote: I tell my customers I don't do web apps I can't afford the security issues and all of my customers are small businesses and they are very happy with my approach. I don't know

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 23, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Ted Roche wrote: According to the latest Tiobe index, Lua is the fastest growing language, and Python is sinking a bit. And Budweiser is the most popular beer, and Ford the car brand. I'd still rather enjoy a Shoals Pale Ale and a Mini Cooper, separately, of

Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Kevin Cully
When you think of Real Software, think of the situation where Microsoft just owned VFP and West-Wind combined. They'd be much smaller, but they'd really care about their product. There are two places to get online information: 1. The forums at http://forums.realsoftware.com/ 2. The mailing

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Paul McNett
On 6/23/11 6:53 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: On 6/23/2011 4:00 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: According to the latest Tiobe index, Lua is the fastest growing language, and Python is sinking a bit. Never heard of Lua! Been using Lua for years for my IMAP filter config file. It seems like

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Ted Roche
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Paul McNett p...@ulmcnett.com wrote: On 6/23/11 6:53 AM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: On 6/23/2011 4:00 AM, Alan Bourke wrote:  According to the latest Tiobe index, Lua is the fastest growing  language, and Python is sinking a bit. Never heard of Lua!

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Richard Kaye
Isn't that a variation of Avis? g -- rk -Original Message- From: profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ted Roche Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app language and is probably better

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread José Olavo Cerávolo
Hi Kevin, You mentioned Real Studio for migrating from VFP. Does it have any framework? I have a personal project that I want to work on, but I can't afford to spend too long in the basics (security, logs, reporting engine, etc). Thanks, Jose. José Olavo

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Alan Bourke
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:07 -0400, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: Mini Cooper, +1 for being American and knowing what a Mini Cooper is. ;) -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm ___ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Cushing
Alan Bourke wrote: +1 for being American and knowing what a Mini Cooper is. ;) Must have seen The Italian job (either version) :-) Peter Rajan Imports has changed - we are now Whispering Smith Ltd. For more information

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:07 -0400, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: Mini Cooper, +1 for being American and knowing what a Mini Cooper is. ;) - Here that vehicle is a chick's car. How about your side

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 10:07 AM, Ted Roche wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 4:00 AM, Alan Bourkealanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: According to the latest Tiobe index, Lua is the fastest growing language, and Python is sinking a bit. And Budweiser is the most popular beer, and Ford the car brand. I'd

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Kevin Cully
Hello Jose, There aren't any frameworks the way we think of them in VFP. People sell classes and plugins to help you accomplish tasks and to make your application have that certain 'pop'. The biggest plugin provider is Monkeybreak Software from Germany. http://www.monkeybreadsoftware.de/

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 10:09 AM, Jeff Johnson wrote: I read that as I am not going to change the way I do things because you want to use that hoaky internet thingy. Nope. It's by choice. I have a target market of small businesses that are running their business using Excel or using paper. Some are

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 10:11 AM, Ed Leafe wrote: Not exactly a valid comparison. A business does care if there is a pool of developers to develop and maintain their project; in fact, in my last years as a VFP dev, that's the main obstacle I faced: the lack of available VFP devs to take over

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 11:15 AM, Alan Bourke wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:07 -0400, Ted Rochetedro...@gmail.com wrote: Mini Cooper, +1 for being American and knowing what a Mini Cooper is. ;) They're actually quite popular around Baltimore. -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Cushing
Stephen Russell wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Alan Bourke alanpbou...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:07 -0400, Ted Roche tedro...@gmail.com wrote: Mini Cooper, +1 for being American and knowing what a Mini Cooper is. ;) - Here that

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Kevin Cully kcu...@cullytechnologies.com wrote: When you think of Real Software, think of the situation where Microsoft just owned VFP and West-Wind combined.  They'd be much smaller, but they'd really care about their product. There are two places to get

RE: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread John Harvey
To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Kevin Cully kcu...@cullytechnologies.com wrote: When you think of Real Software, think of the situation where Microsoft just owned VFP and West-Wind combined.  They'd

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Alan Bourke
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 16:30 +0100, addr...@leafe.com wrote: Must have seen The Italian job (either version) :-) There is only one version of The Italian Job. ;) I used to work with a guy whose dad was one of the Mini stunt drivers. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Alan Bourke
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:30 -0500, Stephen Russell srussell...@gmail.com wrote: Here that vehicle is a chick's car. How about your side of the pond? - Well, now maybe but they have a distinguised rally racing history so you'll find guys of my uncle's vintage who own them too. -- Alan

RE: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Alan Bourke
The attraction of Real Studio to me would be the 'one IDE covers all' aspect, a la VFP, as opposed to a stack with report designer from here, database from there and so on. That and the cross-platform aspect. -- Alan Bourke alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 3:58 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: The attraction of Real Studio to me would be the 'one IDE covers all' aspect, a la VFP, as opposed to a stack with report designer from here, database from there and so on. That and the cross-platform aspect. For me, the appeal is the cross-platform

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 23, 2011, at 4:12 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC wrote: The attraction of Real Studio to me would be the 'one IDE covers all' aspect, a la VFP, as opposed to a stack with report designer from here, database from there and so on. That and the cross-platform aspect. For me, the appeal

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:12 PM, MB Software Solutions, LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com wrote: On 6/23/2011 3:58 PM, Alan Bourke wrote: The attraction of Real Studio to me would be the 'one IDE covers all' aspect, a la VFP, as opposed to a stack with report designer from here,

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Kevin Cully
Real Studio added their report designer just about two years ago now. It certainly isn't as powerful as the VFP report writer but it's good for simple reports. I haven't looked at the Dabo report writer in a long time and it may very well beat the pants off the RS report writer. On 06/23/2011

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Kevin Cully
Cross-platform is a 'must-have' feature in my book for whatever tool I'll add into my toolbox. Python and Real Studio are just two good approaches. The Mac desktop environment is really growing in homes and businesses. Linux desktop adoption is tiny but guess what most web servers run ...

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread Jeff Johnson
On 06/23/2011 02:04 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: Real Studio added their report designer just about two years ago now. It certainly isn't as powerful as the VFP report writer but it's good for simple reports. I haven't looked at the Dabo report writer in a long time and it may very well beat the

Re: Real Studio Community ( was Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app)

2011-06-23 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/23/2011 5:14 PM, Kevin Cully wrote: Cross-platform is a 'must-have' feature in my book for whatever tool I'll add into my toolbox. Python and Real Studio are just two good approaches. The Mac desktop environment is really growing in homes and businesses. Linux desktop adoption is tiny

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Fletcher Johnson
7:48 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Fletcher, Jeff, Regarding web apps, what security issue do you think of ? We have clients with professional secret duty using web apps ! In the past data used to travel over the web; with Ajax web apps, only user

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-23 Thread Fletcher Johnson
- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Thierry Nivelet Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:47 PM To: profox@leafe.com Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app Just completing my previous point ... If your client has real irrational concerns about security

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Fletcher Johnson wrote: Hi all, I am working with a new company that has a successful VFP app that they need to convert to .NET as MS will be cancelling support for VFP soon and the customers IT departments are getting nervous. So I have been asked to help with a

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Fletcher Johnson wrote: We are looking for suggestions on application frameworks, data libraries (ORM, etc.), VS technologies (Silverlight/WPF/Winform/ADO/etc.) and other resources that will aid in the conversion. We are not looking for something that will just

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/22/2011 4:07 PM, Ed Leafe wrote: Ask them if they want to remain subject to the whims of Microsoft marketing, which can (and has) dropped or deprecated the products people have depended on, like VFP, LINQ, Silverlight, etc., sometimes within months of promoting said technology as

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread Thierry Nivelet
An alternative coule be moving the existing code base to the web. Once running on a web server, no one can guess it's VFP-powered Thierry Nivelet http://foxincloud.com/ Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud Le 22 juin 2011 à 22:13, MB Software Solutions,LLC

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread John Harvey
I would go with assembler. This project would last forever! John -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of MB Software Solutions, LLC Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 3:07 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Questions

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/22/2011 4:21 PM, John Harvey wrote: I would go with assembler. This project would last forever! Cha-CHING! $ :-) -- Mike Babcock, MCP MB Software Solutions, LLC President, Chief Software Architect http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com http://fabmate.com http://twitter.com/mbabcock16

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread kamcginnis
it will not be possible to have anything 'common' - Original Message - From: MB Software Solutions,LLC mbsoftwaresoluti...@mbsoftwaresolutions.com To: ProFox Email List profox@leafe.com Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app On 6/22/2011 4

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread Pete Theisen
kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds exciting. I have not worked in assembler in many years. Is it possible to move code to different hardware with a different instruction set and, of course, a different assembler? The last time I worked in assembler was on an Intel 8080. I think it only

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread Fletcher Johnson
, June 22, 2011 1:07 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app On 6/22/2011 3:58 PM, Fletcher Johnson wrote: Hi all, I am working with a new company that has a successful VFP app that they need to convert to .NET as MS will be cancelling support for VFP soon

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread MB Software Solutions, LLC
On 6/22/2011 5:13 PM, kamcgin...@gmail.com wrote: That sounds exciting. I have not worked in assembler in many years. Is it possible to move code to different hardware with a different instruction set and, of course, a different assembler? The last time I worked in assembler was on an Intel

RE: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread Fletcher Johnson
- Work 501-421-9629 - Fax -Original Message- From: profox-boun...@leafe.com [mailto:profox-boun...@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:07 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app On Jun 22, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Fletcher Johnson

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:23 PM, Fletcher Johnson wrote: So we will continue to support/enhance the VFP products. But we are running into IT departments that are making roadblocks to new sales because of the 2015 deadline. What other languages would you recommend, now that you know more?

Re: [NF] Questions on migrating VFP app

2011-06-22 Thread Ed Leafe
On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Fletcher Johnson wrote: Given all that, what would you recommend as an alternative to MS? See my other reply. And remember that Python runs great in Windows, while not keeping you locked in to Windows forever! -- Ed Leafe

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