Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-05 Thread Nicholas Geti
>> Nicholas Geti wrote: >> > And over that same period prices of houses rose astronomically. > > > Ok. So here's my advice for you two lads. Borrow as much money as you can at whatever interest rate you are asked. If the interest rate is tied to inflation or to nomina

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Madigan
z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 5:58 PM > Nicholas Geti wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ricardo Aráoz" > <[EMA

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Russell
On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There were a lot of people who were sold variable rates to get them into a > house they couldn't afford. In 5 years, their salary would be way higher and > of course interest rates would remain low. > > The sub-prime m

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Michael Madigan
alers. * Barack Obama is not My President http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Stephen Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Stephen Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bott

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "MB Software Solutions General Account" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas Geti wrote: >>

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread MB Software Solutions General Account
Nicholas Geti wrote: > Not inflation but other indicies at the lenders choosing. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjustable_rate_mortgage They did not exist > when I bought my house 40 years ago. > > As an aside, I paid $44,500 for my house at that time. Last year it was > evaluated at $650,000. I p

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Pete Theisen
Nicholas Geti wrote: >>> I have never seen an interest rate for borrowing tied to inflation. >>> They are always fixed rates. >> Seems to me that the so-called "adjustable-rate" mortgages are >> indirectly tied to inflation. > Not inflation but other indicies at the lenders choosing. > http://e

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas Geti wrote: >>>> And ov

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Pete Theisen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas Geti wrote: > >> I have never seen

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-04 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Michael Madigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Only an idiot would get a variable-rate loan. > > * They were in fashion when your house was a short term 4 year investment. You expected to move upwards in the 4th year so

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Geoff Flight
> From: Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 11:11 PM > Nicholas Geti wrote: > >>> And over that same period prices of houses >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote: > Only an idiot would get a variable-rate loan. Hi Michael! Yes, I had second thoughts and converted it into a reverse when I turned 62. That worked out for me big time. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ ___ Post Mess

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Michael Madigan
; Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 11:11 PM > Nicholas Geti wrote: > >>> And over that same period prices of houses > rose astronomically. > >>> > >>

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: >>> And over that same period prices of houses rose astronomically. >>> >>> >> Ok. So here's my advice for you two lads. Borrow as much money as you >> can at whatever interest rate you are asked. If the interest rate is >> tied to inflation or to nominal rate then THAT'

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Pete Theisen
Michael Madigan wrote: > Indirectly if the rates go up along with inflation. >>> I have never seen an interest rate for borrowing tied >> to inflation. They are always fixed rates. >> Seems to me that the so-called "adjustable-rate" mortgages are >> indirectly tied to inflation. Hi Guys! A coup

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Pete Theisen
Nicholas Geti wrote: > In my area the price of houses in the last 15 years doubled and in some > cases tripled. The market was very hot. People were buying second houses for > resale. Condominiums were especially volatile. Many people I know where > putting down payments on condos that were jus

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Michael Madigan
; > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 5:11 PM > Nicholas Geti wrote: > > > I have never seen an interest rate for borrowing tied > to inflation. > > They are alwa

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Pete Theisen
Nicholas Geti wrote: > I have never seen an interest rate for borrowing tied to inflation. > They are always fixed rates. Hi Nicholas! Seems to me that the so-called "adjustable-rate" mortgages are indirectly tied to inflation. -- Regards, Pete http://pete-theisen.com/ __

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Pete Theisen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas Geti wrote: > >> >>> Nicholas Ge

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-03 Thread Nicholas Geti
>> >> >> And over that same period prices of houses rose astronomically. >> > Ok. So here's my advice for you two lads. Borrow as much money as you > can at whatever interest rate you are asked. If the interest rate is > tied to inflation or to nominal rate then THAT'S better than static > interest

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-02 Thread Pete Theisen
Nicholas Geti wrote: > >> Nicholas Geti wrote: >>> Refer to my previous note. How do you figure the house is worth less >>> after 30 years. >> http://tinyurl.com/6e74eq > And over that same period prices of houses rose astronomically. Hi Nicholas! I agree that the houses rose, but I wonder

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-02 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Pete Theisen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:55 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-02 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Pete Theisen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas Geti wrote: > >>> Really? Borrow

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-02 Thread Pete Theisen
Nicholas Geti wrote: >> Really? Borrow $500,000 for a house at 10%pa while house prices are rising >> at an average 2%pa. Calculate in 30 years time how much you paid compared >> to how much the house is worth. YOU LOSE. Now try it the other way around. >> YOU WIN. Pretty basic really. >> > Ref

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-02 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas Geti wrote: >> - Original Message ---

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-02 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Geoff Flight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'ProFox Email List'" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:44 PM Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. There are a number of assumptions implicit in that sce

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-02 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Geoff Flight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'ProFox Email List'" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:50 PM Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Really? Borrow $500,000 for a house at 10%p

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Geoff Flight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:20 PM > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > &

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:52 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > > N

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Geoff Flight
mber 2008 9:49 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. You're missing the utility of having a roof over your head. People normally don't buy houses to make money, they buy houses to live in. ***

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Michael Madigan
/08, Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:50 PM > Really? Borrow $500,000 for

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Geoff Flight
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicholas Geti Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 9:13 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. - Original Message - From: "Geoff Flight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Geoff Flight
ry'. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 9:02 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. You must enjoy sticking your foot in your mouth over

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Geoff Flight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'ProFox Email List'" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. That is not even close to true. Borrowers are better

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Kristyne McDaniel wrote: >> Nicholas, >> &

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Nicholas Geti wrote: > - Original Message - &g

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Kristyne McDaniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'ProFox Email List'" Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas, > >> Ricardo, you n

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Michael Madigan
: > From: Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:20 PM > That is not even close to true. Borrowers are better off if > inflation is &

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Geoff Flight
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2008 8:36 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Most incomes go up quicker in inflationary times. It is generally recognized that borrowers

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Michael Madigan
/08, Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:53 PM > Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > Nicholas, > > >> Ricardo, you need to understand the concept of money. >> It is irrelevant whether the rich have their worth in >> cash or other instruments. It is still "money" and is >> directly affected by inflation; everything they buy >> including other investment

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
Nicholas Geti wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:47 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > > &

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Nicholas, > Ricardo, you need to understand the concept of money. > It is irrelevant whether the rich have their worth in > cash or other instruments. It is still "money" and is > directly affected by inflation; everything they buy > including other investment instruments will go up > in price. A

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Michael Madigan
IL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 9:59 AM > Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > > Madigan, > > > > > >> Care to explain this strange attack? > >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread James Roark(The Dogstar Group)
Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > Madigan, > > >> Care to explain this strange attack? >> > > Not much explanation needed. You scream doom and gloom and then act > surprised when gloom and doom happen. > Please check todays numbers... It gets even better. Jim --- StripMime Report -- process

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-12-01 Thread Nicholas Geti
- Original Message - From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > Nicholas Geti wrote: >> Governments can never go b

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-29 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
uot;Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > > Nicholas Geti wrote: > >> Governments can never go bankrupt. They just

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-28 Thread KAM.covad
l remember trying to buy my first home with 18% interest. Those numbers don't work. - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Aráoz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-28 Thread Ricardo Aráoz
kson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "ProFox Email List" > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:04 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > > >> Having the USA government go out of business is a risky proposition; >>

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-28 Thread Nicholas Geti
Governments can never go bankrupt. They just print more money. - Original Message - From: "Leland Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ProFox Email List" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-28 Thread Stephen Russell
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:36 PM, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The economy is bad, we've only got 94.5% of the people working! The > depression had 25% out of work, we have a ways to go yet -- You guys are quoting Sept. numbers I think. It is getting a lot worse at

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Leland Jackson
Pete Theisen wrote: > Leland Jackson wrote: > > >> On June 2, 1987 President Reagan nominates Greenspan for chairman of the >> Federal Reserve Board, which he served for five terms until January 31, >> 2006. He served under the following presidents: >> >> 2 terms - Ronald Reagan - Republican

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland Jackson wrote: > On June 2, 1987 President Reagan nominates Greenspan for chairman of the > Federal Reserve Board, which he served for five terms until January 31, > 2006. He served under the following presidents: > > 2 terms - Ronald Reagan - Republican > 1 term - George H. W. Bush -

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Leland Jackson
Having the USA government go out of business is a risky proposition; since, an unknown will fill the power vacuum, and its hard to predict how you and I might fare in the new environment, but the odds are we wouldn't fare well. Regards, LelandJ Pete Theisen wrote: > Leland Jackson wrote: >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Leland Jackson
According to the "United States housing bubble" Wiki, On October 15, 2008, Anthony Faiola, Ellen Nakashima and Jill Drew , wrote a lengthy article in the Washington Post titled, "What Went Wrong." In their investigation, the authors claim that Greenspan vehemently opposed any regulation of fin

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Pete Theisen
Leland Jackson wrote: > First things first. Having excessive deficit spending is irrelevant, if > the USA goes bankrupt. Hi Leland! So run up a huge debt and declare bankruptcy? The guys stuck with the bill are the richies, vast numbers of whom are foreign nationals. -- Regards, Pete http://

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Pete Theisen
John wrote: > banks can retire the old mortgages in default with new mortgages that are > performing on the underlying real estate collateral.> Hi John! The people didn't have to even move. They could just refinance into one of the "new mortgages" based on the bubble "value" of their home. And

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Leland Jackson
Also, the security laws regulating trading in derivatives needs to be reformed to make it illegal to simple gambler or bet on a derivative. Only investors that have a vested interest in the underlying item on which a value is derived should be allowed to invest the derivatives. Regards, Lelan

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Leland Jackson
First things first. Having excessive deficit spending is irrelevant, if the USA goes bankrupt. Right now it's important to turn the economic decline around, which will require some short term spending to put the unemployed back to work, to prevent additional losses in employment, and to creat

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread John
< Countrywide Financial was a chain of 200 or 300 saving and loan companies, sometime called thrift institutions, located in California and Nevada. Countrywide was one of the first mortgage companies to get in trouble writing risky mortgages, including ARMs, (eg adjustable rate mortgages), which pr

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread John
hn Harvey > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Geoff Flight > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:14 PM > To: 'ProFox Email List' > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Leland Jackson
--Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Geoff Flight > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:14 PM > To: 'ProFox Email List' > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > > I like it... You

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-27 Thread Leland Jackson
e. > > He was screwing him while the public was being screwed. > > * > Barack Obama is not My President > > http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike > > > --- On Wed, 11/26/08, John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Pete Theisen
Kristyne McDaniel wrote: > Madigan, > >> Care to explain this strange attack? > > Not much explanation needed. You scream doom and gloom and then act > surprised when gloom and doom happen. > > Thus far, with Obama not even in office yet, the markets are quieting down > as he reveals the new fol

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
ncerned about. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Michael Madigan > Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 11:12 AM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE > bottom. >

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
Email List Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Stupid compared to who? Certainly he's far smarter and more successful than you are. I like it when foreign losers denigrate the President. * Barack Obama is n

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Geoff Flight > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:14 PM > To: 'ProFox Email List' > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE > bottom. > > I like it... You've had some go

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
26/08, Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 6:14 PM > I like it... You&#x

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Wed

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread John
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:01 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. So what level do you blame Bush for this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sen

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread John
I think they all have contributed. The bailout is bipartisan insanity! John Harvey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Leafe Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:04 PM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread John
ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 9:38 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Geoff, > So what level do you blame Bush for this? That's d

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
lto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristyne McDaniel Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 9:38 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Geoff, > So what level do you blame Bush for this? That's difficult. How do you blame a m

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Geoff, > So what level do you blame Bush for this? That's difficult. How do you blame a moron for acting like a moron? Kristyne McDaniel http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog http://www.emryldadvantage.com/ http://www.mcstyles.com/ Whether you think you can, or you think you can't you are r

Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Ed Leafe
On Nov 26, 2008, at 4:47 PM, John wrote: > You obviously didn't hear about the Republicans, in 2006, including > John > McCain, who said Freddie mac and fannie mae needed more overight. > Meanwhile, > Obama's buddies were raping the system, and Barney Frank was defending > them ..

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
So what level do you blame Bush for this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 9:28 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Sure. The economy

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
TED]> wrote: > From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:52 PM > Geoff, > > > I just don't unders

RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom.

2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
7 November 2008 9:20 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. I blame the Obama campaign for spreading fear to the uninformed. Only a retard believes the economy is the worst since the Great Depression. The early 80s had 17% interest ra

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2008-11-26 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Geoff, > I just don't understand how you can seriously shift the > blame for economic disaster to a CANDIDATE while > excluding an 8year presidency. Doesn't any part of that > sound just a little bit silly? You need to understand that the only way the right has been able to keep the illusion of '

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
hn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: John <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:47 PM > You obviously didn't hear about the Rep

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
---Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Michael Madigan > Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 9:00 AM > To: ProFox Email List > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE > bottom. > > For two years Obama'

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2008-11-26 Thread John
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Flight Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 4:38 PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Economists have been saying for 2 years that a severe crash and recession were I imminent beca

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2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
recovery cannot > start. The markets > are one of the areas of life where optimism (like > pessimism) can be > self-fulfilling. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Kristyne McDaniel > Sent: Thursday, 27 No

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2008-11-26 Thread John
PM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. The economy in the US IS the worst since the depression. The markets starting falling year ago. You are the only personI know who is blaming Obama for the financial crisis. Not surprising, sinc

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:21 PM > The economy in the US IS the worst since the depression. The > markets > starting fallin

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2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
IN Australia they have dropped about 40%. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hill Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 8:56 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
start. The markets > are one of the areas of life where optimism (like > pessimism) can be > self-fulfilling. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Kristyne McDaniel > Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 8:33 AM >

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2008-11-26 Thread Paul Hill
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Geoff Flight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The economy in the US IS the worst since the depression. The markets > starting falling year ago. You are the only personI know who is blaming > Obama for the financial crisis. Not surprising, since it is utterly > ludicrou

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2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 8:47 AM To: ProFox Email List Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. I wasn't screaming doom and gloom, that was the Obama campaign who told us for 2 years how the economy was the worst since the

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2008-11-26 Thread Geoff Flight
33 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. Madigan, > Care to explain this strange attack? Not much explanation needed. You scream doom and gloom and then act surprised when gloom and doom happen. Thus far, with Obama not even

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
; wrote: > From: Kristyne McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:02 PM > Madigan, > > > Care to explain this strange at

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2008-11-26 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan, > Care to explain this strange attack? Not much explanation needed. You scream doom and gloom and then act surprised when gloom and doom happen. Thus far, with Obama not even in office yet, the markets are quieting down as he reveals the new folks that will be replacing Bush ineptitude.

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
; Subject: RE: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "'ProFox Email List'" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 4:07 PM > Madigan, > > > You shouldn't try to pick bottoms, nobody can. > The mere fact > > that people a

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2008-11-26 Thread Kristyne McDaniel
Madigan, > You shouldn't try to pick bottoms, nobody can. The mere fact > that people are saying this is probably a bottom means this > isn't the bottom. You're not exactly the guy I'd choose as a market advisor. Guys like you are the reason the market went so far down in the first place. Kri

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
, 11/26/08, KAM.covad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: KAM.covad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] How to determine if a market has hit THE bottom. > To: "ProFox Email List" > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 2:09 PM > I had all my retirement funds in SPY - a

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2008-11-26 Thread Michael Madigan
ably a lot more bad news ahead. * Barack Obama is not My President http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Ted Roche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OT] How to d

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2008-11-26 Thread KAM.covad
I had all my retirement funds in SPY - a S&P 500 index EFT. I am so sure that this is a bottom that I sold everything and bought SSO also a S&P 500 index EFT but is leveraged so it should go up more than SPY or mutual funds like VFINX. I bought SSO at 24.75 and 22.90 A paper loss means nothing Y

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2008-11-26 Thread Ted Roche
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Stephen Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am guessing that we are all involved with stocks and funds. Some of > us don't pay attention to the signs and others are on top of them. > That is why I put this as NF and not to be lost in the land of OT. Even thou