Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Kevin Cully wrote:
Kids use Firefox and play some of the Flash based games on the Internet.
They like some of the FOSS games on Linux too.
Speaking of which...
I normally take with me a 2Mb pen drive. In it I have Firefox, Torpark,
Thunderbird, Open
Paul Newton wrote:
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Kevin Cully wrote:
Kids use Firefox and play some of the Flash based games on the Internet.
They like some of the FOSS games on Linux too.
Speaking of which...
I normally take with me a 2Mb pen drive. In it I have Firefox, Torpark,
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Hey Ricardo, that's fantastic ! All that in 2Mb ! It's almost
unbelievable gdr
:) Cross my heart and hope to dye!
Check out http://www.portablefreeware.com/
From the site:
*OpenOffice Portable* V2.0.4
Posted on 22nd November 2006 - 176MB (uncompressed)
Chet Gardiner wrote:
I still think your experience is among the VAST MINORITY of
metastized BIG businesses... That's the mind set I was commenting
on, if you ain't got 1000 users you don't exist -- the m$ marketing
model That's why their stuff sucks big time for smaller
operations...
Paul Newton wrote:
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
Hey Ricardo, that's fantastic ! All that in 2Mb ! It's almost
unbelievable gdr
:) Cross my heart and hope to dye!
Check out http://www.portablefreeware.com/
From the site:
*OpenOffice Portable* V2.0.4
Posted on 22nd November 2006 -
http://tinyurl.com/yzjwms
Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and Genuine
Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista activation crack
post express the sentiments: read link for comments
Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and
Genuine
Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista activation
crack
post express the sentiments: read link for comments
Customers have been abused
On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:54 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
Until Linux desktop apps are prime time or rather, the main stream
media/press starts supporting/promoting the usage of said apps, the
Linux OS won't take over the Windows OS.
Catch-22, then. Can't use Linux until everyone is
Solutions
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Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and
Genuine
On 12/15/06, mrgmhale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to think Linux ousting Windows would happen in my lifetime.
You see,, that pretty ensures I will live at least another 80 years or so.
And if I am in relatively good health all is well.
Emigrate to Europe if you're longing for a
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:46 AM, Stephen Russell wrote:
Certainly, lots of people have no love for product activation and
Genuine Advantage validation. Some comments on last week's Vista
activation crack post express the sentiments: read link for
Now that was funny!
I do see Europe moving to Linux before the US but mostly because they hate
anything from US
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:39:35 +0100
Subject: Re: [NF
One thing to remember is that M$ can't crush Linux. Linux is a thing
that just exists. A free tool that people can choose to use.
M$ could crush Novell, or RedHat, or some company that requires money to
run and exist, but Linux just exists.
Linux doesn't have a goal to be on every desktop or
On 12/15/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now that was funny!
I do see Europe moving to Linux before the US but mostly because they hate
anything from US
Sigh, there we go againwe don't 'hate anything from US'. We do
dislike - in general - US foreign policy.
The move to
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One thing to remember is that M$ can't crush Linux. Linux
Tristan Leask wrote:
They wouldn't want to crush linux either because it is a place where
devs can show off their ideas. Then MS can come along and
pinch/use/implement them into their software for the wider use.
I can't find the
pinch/use/implement
folder anywhere on my linux box ;-)
On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
About a month ago I had a good talk with a network admin who gave
me a lot
of reasons why porting over to Linux is so much harder then it sounds.
Education of the admins is the largest hurdle for any company to
overcome.
Do you think
On Dec 15, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Tristan Leask wrote:
They wouldn't want to crush linux either because it is a place where
devs can show off their ideas. Then MS can come along and
pinch/use/implement them into their software for the wider use.
Linux can be very valuable to MS.
Nah,
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:43 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
About a month ago I had a good talk with a network admin who gave me
a lot of reasons why porting over to Linux is so much harder then it
sounds. Education of the admins is the largest hurdle for any
company to overcome.
On Dec 15, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
I agree; inertia is the main reason people stick with Microsoft. The
ones who do make the effort are the ones who have either been burned
by security flaws or who have spent too much time dealing with
Microsoft's legal department.
Ed Leafe wrote:
Flaws exist. Yawn. I referred to those who have been burned by those
flaws. Do you wanna cite some examples of companies being burned by
Linux security flaws? The list of Microsoft flaws that have cost
billions of dollars to companies is well known and documented
On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
As hackers look to Linux for targets will they be as easy to find?
Heck no.
Neither in the Win camp. Because we have all learned from past
mistakes.
Ah, yes. Only 3 zero-day Word exploits! Happy days are here again!
-- Ed
We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got the
worst of worst started with a bang. It seems like those days are behind
us. It prayed on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn sights
back in 98 or 99? Since then people have wised up as so have
On Friday, December 15, 2006 12:33 PM Whil Hentzen wrote:
snipped
they arrogantly tell me that I'm wrong, that their machine isn't
infected because their husband/nephew/brother-in-law/cable repairman
told them so, and furthermore that if this was
really a problem, they would have heard about it
Stephen the Cook wrote:
snipped It prayed on the stupidity of people getting passwords for porn
sights
back in 98 or 99? Since then people have wised up as so have vendors.
Rightnow you don't save your porn site passwords and instead just
use the free sights, eh Steve? gdr
--
Whil Hentzen (Pro*) wrote:
Is this why I get email with .DOC file attachments from housewives or
dentists that won't pass my virus scanner?
And when I tell them that their machine is infected, that they shouldn't
be sending out infected documents, and maybe they should be looking at
Ed Leafe wrote:
On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:00 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
As hackers look to Linux for targets will they be as easy to find?
Heck no. Neither in the Win camp. Because we have all learned from
past mistakes.
Ah, yes. Only 3 zero-day Word exploits! Happy days are here
David Crooks wrote:
On Friday, December 15, 2006 12:33 PM Whil Hentzen wrote:
snipped
they arrogantly tell me that I'm wrong, that their machine isn't
infected because their husband/nephew/brother-in-law/cable
repairman told them so, and furthermore that if this was
really a problem,
On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Stephen the Cook wrote:
For software with a year of 2000 in it's title and it's just been
found? I
agree that it's a bad hole but it's taken a long time to be found.
2000 was the *first* version subject to the flaws. They have
persisted in all new
Of Ed Leafe
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On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:54 AM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
Until Linux desktop apps are prime time or rather, the main stream
media/press starts supporting
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Of Whil Hentzen (Pro*)
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We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got
the worst of worst
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Like I said..
Most people can't program their vcr's...
They surely can't work windows
And linux is way past their interest level
I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least
anything beyond simpleton level.
--
Michael J. Babcock,
On Dec 15, 2006, at 3:37 PM, MB Software Solutions wrote:
I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at
least
anything beyond simpleton level.
Is that why they like Windows? ;-P
-- Ed Leafe
-- http://leafe.com
-- http://dabodev.com
My wife and kids have taken to it with almost no training at all. My
kids prefer it even.
Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC
Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net
MB Software Solutions wrote:
I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least
anything
I remain dutifully ambiguous on the the subject of Santa. I do profess
my unabashed belief that the Flying Spaghetti Monster is real, and that
global warming is correlated to decline in the number of pirates in the
world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL7FcvEydqgeurl
Kevin Cully
CULLY
Don't tell them that!! Let them keep their warm and fuzzy myth that
Windows is easy and
Linux is hard. I mean, you don't go around telling little kids about Santa, now
do you?
What about Santa? Are you telling me he moved his entire operation to Linux and
Dabo? To many myths
being
Santa has been dead since the Marx Bros found out there wasn't an sanity
clause in their contract!
John
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Of Rick Schummer
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:51 PM
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On Dec 15, 2006, at 4:51 PM, Rick Schummer wrote:
What about Santa? Are you telling me he moved his entire operation
to Linux and Dabo? To many myths
being floated, so enquiring minds want to know.
Santa is one of those non-techie types, so he's a Windows user. But
the elves
, 2006 3:15 PM
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
My wife and kids have taken to it with almost no training at all. My kids
prefer it even.
Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC
Sponsor of Fox Forward 2006!
http://foxforward.net
MB Software
Stephen Russell wrote:
We all agree the M$'s good intentions of software working together got the
worst of worst started with a bang.
Agreed.
It seems like those days are behind us.
Better think again on that one, dude. Spyware, adware, malware, spambots,
and anything else I didn't list
Kevin Cully wrote:
My wife and kids have taken to it with almost no training at all. My
kids prefer it even.
What...Linux? My daughter and wife didn't want anything to do with Open
Office's Text Document program even though they only do simple word
processing. They've exactly the kind
Stephen the Cook wrote:
Ed Leafe wrote:
Flaws exist. Yawn. I referred to those who have been burned by those
flaws. Do you wanna cite some examples of companies being burned by
Linux security flaws? The list of Microsoft flaws that have cost
billions of dollars to companies is well
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Like I said..
Most people can't program their vcr's...
They surely can't work windows
And linux is way past their interest level
I'd agree with that...most people are afraid of technology, or at least
anything beyond simpleton
http://www.bierschwale.com
http://www.bierschwalesolutions.com
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Of Ricardo Aráoz
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MB
I love your posts, Stephen...
You always operate from the assumption that every business that uses
computers is built around the big corporate model.
I always think in terms of the vast majority of clients I've had over
the years -- small networks or single user machines easily administered.
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
You would be wrong.
Typical places in my experience have been 2500 + systems is typical,
sometimes a lot more.
Ten of them would be about 25,000
Not enough hrs in the day for one man to maintain that many
But Chet's point *is* valid---there are more SMBs than
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
You would be wrong.
Typical places in my experience have been 2500 + systems is typical
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Of Chet Gardiner
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 6:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
I still think your experience is among the VAST MINORITY
Kids use Firefox and play some of the Flash based games on the Internet.
They like some of the FOSS games on Linux too.
My wife uses Thunderbird for mail, Firefox, OOo (Calc and Writer), and
Internet Explorer (to get to the school's web site. Grrr). She's
becoming quite the expert at The
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
You
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
Kids use Firefox and play some of the Flash based games on the Internet.
They like some of the FOSS games on Linux too.
My wife uses Thunderbird for mail, Firefox, OOo (Calc and Writer), and
Internet Explorer
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
According to my observations, the problem is also related to
responsibility. Usually if a software manager chooses a 'not
established' or 'no infrastructure' or 'no support contract' product, if
the product does not work he'll pay dearly. OTOH
Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Whats FOSS ?
C'mon, Virgil! As Ted commonly tells us, Google is your friend.
FOSS stands for Free Open Source Software
Found some other articles as well on Linux vs. Windoze for SMBs:
Business Influences on the Selection of Linux vs. Windows
Platforms: A
Sorry. FOSS = Free Open Source Software
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS
SMB = Small to Medium (sized) Businesses
PHB = Pointy Haired Boss. An term used to describe short-sighted
management level bosses. See Dilbert cartoons. g
Kevin Cully
CULLY Technologies, LLC
Sponsor of Fox Forward
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
I wouldn't know what to tell you... I have absolutely no idea what a
'SMB' or a 'PHB' is.
PHB = Pointy Haired Boss
SMB = Small/Medium -sized Businesses
Google is your friend! Try What is ...
--
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software Solutions, LLC
Chet Gardiner wrote:
Anyhoo, can't sit here typing all day, I've got to get back to my new gig:
I've got a gig tomorrow night with my Rock and Roll cover band
(http://www.psychedelicks.com/ -- I know, clunky Yahoo site builder
site but I didn't do it, I'll be putting up a better one next
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Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
Whats FOSS ?
C'mon, Virgil! As Ted commonly tells us, Google
Kevin Cully wrote:
Kids use Firefox and play some of the Flash based games on the Internet.
They like some of the FOSS games on Linux too.
Speaking of which...
I normally take with me a 2Mb pen drive. In it I have Firefox, Torpark,
Thunderbird, Open Office, Essential PIM, CLCL
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
I wouldn't know what to tell you... I have absolutely no idea what a
'SMB' or a 'PHB' is.
PHB = Pointy Haired Boss
SMB = Small/Medium -sized Businesses
Google is your friend! Try What is ...
Thanks.
And no, I will not google
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
There's always a kind neighbour willing to get me out of ignorance's way ;c)
You're welcomeany time, neighbor! g
--
Michael J. Babcock, MCP
MB Software Solutions, LLC
http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com
http://fabmate.com
Work smarter, not harder, with MBSS custom
On 12/15/06, Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Think of it, there are approx 10,000 corporations publicly traded.
If each one of them has 1,000 employees which is way low ball..
Now how many smb did you say there were ?
So, you'd say there's about 10,000,000 corporate employees in
To: profox@leafe.com
Subject: Re: [NF] microsoft_antipiracy_will_drive_people_to_linux
On 12/15/06, Virgil Bierschwale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Think of it, there are approx 10,000 corporations publicly traded.
If each one of them has 1,000 employees which is way low ball..
Now how many smb did
Chet Gardiner wrote:
I love your posts, Stephen...
You always operate from the assumption that every business that uses
computers is built around the big corporate model.
Well one five people make a decision that effects the usage of 10 million
users it's got a lot more clout then 1
MB Software Solutions wrote:
Ricardo Aráoz wrote:
According to my observations, the problem is also related to
responsibility. Usually if a software manager chooses a 'not
established' or 'no infrastructure' or 'no support contract' product,
if the product does not work he'll pay dearly.
MB Software Solutions wrote:
But Chet's point *is* valid---there are more SMBs than big dog
enterprises. SMBs make up most of the economy, iirc.
Sounds like a Bushism.
Stephen Russell
DBA / .Net Developer
Memphis TN 38115
901.246-0159
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