Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-20 Thread *GUILLEN BARRIONUEVO, SERGIO GUSTAVO
Thank you Francesco, again herein my vote for the proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI
is +1

Regards

Sergio Guillén



El 19/12/10 16:39, "Francesco Furfari" 
escribió:

>  Dear Sergio,
>
>This is a reminder because your vote was reported privately to the
>members of the GB.
>
>Indeed you have to write to the public mailing list of the promoters by
>replying to the message:
>[Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI
>
>
>regards,
>Francesco
>
>
>
>Il 16/12/2010 21.08, *GUILLEN BARRIONUEVO, SERGIO GUSTAVO ha scritto:
>> OK Francesco, very clear explanation and examples. We could start with
>>the proposed in the example.
>>
>> So I my vote for the proposal ZigBee 4 OSGI is
>> +1
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Sergio
>>
>> De: Francesco 
>>Furfarimailto:francesco.furf...@isti.cnr.i
>>t>>
>> Fecha: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 20:05:39 +0100
>> Para: Sergio Guillen
>>Barrionuevomailto:sguil...@itaca.upv.es>>
>> CC: Mohammad-Reza
>>Tazarimailto:saied.taz...@igd.fraunhofer.
>>de>>, Joe Gormanmailto:joe.gor...@sintef.no>>,
>>ANTONIO KUNGmailto:antonio.k...@trialog.com>>,
>>'Sten Hanke'mailto:sten.ha...@ait.ac.at>>, Thomas
>>Karopkamailto:karo...@it-science-center.de>
>>>, Francesco Potorti`mailto:poto...@isti.cnr.it>>,
>>>Laura Belenguer 
>>>Querolmailto:laube...@upvnet.upv.es>>, Bruno
>>>Jean-Bartmailto:bruno.jean-b...@trialog.com
>>>>>, Reiner 
>>>>>Wichermailto:reiner.wich...@igd.frau
>>>>>nhofer.de>>, 'Marius
>>>>>Mikalsen'mailto:marius.mikal...@sintef.no>>
>> Asunto: Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project
>>proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI
>>
>> Dear Sergio, and All
>>
>> your question are not boring me.
>> In fact we don't have any formal procedure to express a vote.
>> I CCed all the Governing Board because it is a useful discussion.
>>
>>
>> So in this case I think that  just reporting the positive comment like
>>"the project will be very useful for the community", can be considered a
>>positive vote.
>>
>> I talked about the lazy consensus used by the Apache community in a
>>previous post.
>> I report here for your convenience:
>>
>>
>> Let me also add that sometime the lazy consensus used by Apache
>>community works very fine.
>> When a new member is invited to join to a software project, at least 3
>> favourable votes should be collect to accept the new member.
>> It helps the board by avoiding a boring counting of the people. Of
>> course if there is one negative vote it works as a veto. So people start
>> to discuss until a consensus is reached, that's veto is cancelled.
>> This rule cannot be used for example for modification of a by-laws, but
>> it works as facilitate asynchronous communication.
>> I would avoid  to use one more doodle poll every time we need to take a
>> decision that should be fast ... especially now that we are growing.
>>
>> In Apache there is a distinction among binding votes  and non binding
>> votes. In this case people of the board have binding votes, but
>> non-binding votes are important as well, they represent the community
>> involved in the project activities. They are however taken into account,
>> and opinion expressed by a of non-binding vote is always commented and
>> discussed.
>>
>>
>> So we need to decide  how  to count the votes  ... with a lazy
>>mechanism (at least 3) or with the narrow majority (50% +1) or large
>>majority 2/3 of the Governing Board.
>> I guess that it will not be a problem to reach the unanimity in this
>>case.
>> But if the vote is call during the the Christmas holidays then it could
>>be a problem wait for all members to cast .
>> So with the lazy mechanism it is important to fix at least a week to
>>give time people to rise a negative vote.
>>
>> I think that after this voting we can start to write some rules in a
>>wiki page or something like this.
>>
>> Francesco
>>
>> below some example:
>>
>>
>> Vote mechanism can be very fast in Apache, over the time  they started
>>to use very fast way to express their vote.
>> Effectively in a software community many issue are not really important.
>>
>> You can cast your vote with:
>>+1  meaning ok I agree
>>0I don't care, I don't knoe  (but usually people don't reply)
>>-1  I don't agree, I'm contrar

Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-20 Thread Stefano Lenzi

Dear Antonio,

my comments follwos..

On 20/12/2010 16.50, Antonio kung wrote:

Francesco,

As member of the board, I vote yes.

As technical coordinator of MonAMI, partners of MonAMI (mostly Trialog +
U.Zaragoza) would like to propose the following contributions:

* providing guidelines to support additional Zigbee development
  kits. The goal would be that /Zigbee 4 OSGi/ supports as many
  development kits as possible with as little cost as possible,
  including the ones used in MonAMI


You are very welcome! As you may have noticed in the project proposal we 
are looking for contributor in the area that you proposed, we have 
already defined and API which aims at to be portable to many develpoment 
kit, but due to lack of expierence with other develpoment we definitly 
need the contribution from the community



* working towards an OSGi API that is as Zigbee independent as
  possible (e.g. /WirelessSensor 4 OSGi/) or if not possible as
  Zigbee implementation independent as possible

Cheers

Antonio Kung


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-20 Thread Antonio kung

Francesco,

As member of the board, I vote yes.

As technical coordinator of MonAMI, partners of MonAMI (mostly Trialog + 
U.Zaragoza) would like to propose the following contributions:


   * providing guidelines to support additional Zigbee development
 kits. The goal would be that /Zigbee 4 OSGi/ supports as many
 development kits as possible with as little cost as possible,
 including the ones used in MonAMI
   * working towards an OSGi API that is as Zigbee independent as
 possible (e.g. /WirelessSensor 4 OSGi/) or if not possible as
 Zigbee implementation independent as possible

Cheers

Antonio Kung

On 16/12/2010 14:58, Francesco Furfari wrote:

 Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal 
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.


I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate 
the needed resources for its software development.


As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will 
abstain from voting on this issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding 
vote,  their comments are very welcome.


Kind regards,
Francesco.


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-20 Thread Dario Salvi
El jue, 16-12-2010 a las 14:58 +0100, Francesco Furfari escribió:
> Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
> 
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal 
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
> 
> I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate 
> the needed resources for its software development.
> 
> As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will 
> abstain from voting on this issue.
> I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,  
> their comments are very welcome.

Hi,

as a promoter I would like to express my support to this initiative.



regards,

Dario Salvi

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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-20 Thread Cesar Iglesias

Dear all,
My vote +1 (non-binding).
Kind regards.

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El 16/12/10 14:58, Francesco Furfari escribió:

 Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal concerning the ZigBee 
networks integration with the OSGi platform.


I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate the needed resources for 
its software development.


As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will abstain from voting on this 
issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,  their comments are very 
welcome.


Kind regards,
Francesco.


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-19 Thread jesus . bermejo
 Hi Francesco,I will try to clarify my comment on your answer;>in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application>domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that >ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.>We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan, >Wireless HART,  or UPnP, DPWS 

When I mention the risk in the
survival of the open source project I am referring to external open source
competitors. As you are mentioning, it is not a core/reference technology for
AAL applications(note that open source is more competitive than traditional commercial
development) 

>I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can>contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are>addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.>From the inputs I have so far it
seems that this number of nodes is difficult to achieve in real deployments;
and this is a R&D issue being tackled in other domains. The example was just to illustrate the type of requirements
being addressed for this technology in other domains (to clarify the above). ...and it is not only this, also the current strength of some middleware communities.

>The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote>management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to>remotely manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of>the software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on   ...>but IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.I fully agree, this scalability is not in the ZigBee part,Best regards,-Jesus--promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: ->Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" >De: Francesco Furfari >Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org>Fecha: 19/12/2010 16:32>Asunto: Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project>proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI>>>Jesus,>>>in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application>domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that >ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.>>We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan, >Wireless HART,  or UPnP, DPWS >>With respect to the AALOA mission, this project can be considered one>of the many  building blocks that may be integrated in a reference>platform for AAL. >>It is an outcome of the  PERSONA project, but it is released without>the "peculiarities" of the PERSONA project, so that it is a generic>solution that can be integrated in the AAL/AmI platform you like.>>>I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can>contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are>addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.>>The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote>management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to>remotely manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of>the software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on   ...>but IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.>>>Francesco>>>>Il 19/12/2010 0.33, >jesus.berm...@telvent.com> >ha scritto: >>Dear all,>>>My vote is positive ...> >however, it is not clear the strategy for the AAL domain being the>driver for the evolution of Zigbee out from a ZigBee for Health Care>profile (which is a very limited area in the scope of this>technology). This combined with the current activity in this>technology entails a high risk for the survival. > >>>Just to mention an additional implementation being integrated in>device abstraction activities running in OSAmI project; the>(paralell) R&D activities of the team involved in this technology are>moving in the direction of overcoming the current limitations in the>number of nodes in the context of real deployment scenarios (some>already in operation) which are difficult to find in the AAL domain. >> >>>Best regards,> >>>-Jesus->> >>-promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: ->>>Para: >"promoters@aaloa.org"> >>>De: Francesco Furfari >>>Enviado por: >promoters-boun...@aaloa.org>>Fecha: 16/12/2010 14:58>>Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal:>ZigBee 4 OSGI>> >Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,>>>I would like to submit to your attention the attached project>proposal>> >concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.>>> >I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to>allocate>> >the needed resources for its software development.>>> >

Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-19 Thread Francesco Furfari

 Jesus,

in the project proposal we say that ZigBee covers many application 
domains very useful for AAL related project, but we don't mean that  
ZigBee must be the reference technology for AAL applications.
We are aware that there are many competing solutions, IP6LowPan,  
Wireless HART,  or UPnP, DPWS 
With respect to the AALOA mission, this project can be considered one of 
the many  building blocks that may be integrated in a reference platform 
for AAL.
It is an outcome of the  PERSONA project, but it is released without the 
"peculiarities" of the PERSONA project, so that it is a generic solution 
that can be integrated in the AAL/AmI platform you like.


I didn't understand your last example. In theory ZigBee networks can 
contains 65.000 nodes, enough for the smart environments we are 
addressing, but I guess you was thinking to a different use case.
The scalability issues in my mind are that ones related to the remote 
management of thousand of devices; a control center that has to remotely 
manage many smart home installations, the remote upgrade of the 
software/firmware installed in such environments, and so on   ... but 
IMO the problems are not on the ZigBee side.


Francesco


Il 19/12/2010 0.33, jesus.berm...@telvent.com ha scritto:

Dear all,

My vote is positive ... however, it is not clear the strategy for the 
AAL domain being the driver for the evolution of Zigbee out from a 
ZigBee for Health Care profile (which is a very limited area in the 
scope of this technology). This combined with the current activity in 
this technology entails a high risk for the survival.


Just to mention an additional implementation being integrated in 
device abstraction activities running in OSAmI project; the (paralell) 
R&D activities of the team involved in this technology are moving in 
the direction of overcoming the current limitations in the number of 
nodes in the context of real deployment scenarios (some already in 
operation) which are difficult to find in the AAL domain.


Best regards,

-Jesus-

-promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: -

Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" 
De: Francesco Furfari 
Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org
Fecha: 16/12/2010 14:58
Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project
proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.

I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
the needed resources for its software development.

As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
abstain from voting on this issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
their comments are very welcome.

Kind regards,
Francesco.
/ (See attached file: ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf)/
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-18 Thread jesus . bermejo
 Dear all,My vote is positive ... however, it is not clear the
strategy for the AAL domain being the driver for the evolution of Zigbee out
from a ZigBee for Health Care profile (which is a very limited area in the
scope of this technology). This combined with the current activity in this
technology entails a high risk for the survival. Just to mention an additional implementation
being integrated in device abstraction activities running in OSAmI project; the (paralell)
R&D activities of the team involved in this technology are moving in the
direction of overcoming the current limitations in the number of nodes in the
context of real deployment scenarios (some already in operation) which are
difficult to find in the AAL domain.  Best regards, -Jesus- 

-promoters-boun...@aaloa.org escribió: -Para: "promoters@aaloa.org" De: Francesco Furfari Enviado por: promoters-boun...@aaloa.orgFecha: 16/12/2010 14:58Asunto: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal:	ZigBee 4 OSGI
Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
the needed resources for its software development.
As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
abstain from voting on this issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
their comments are very welcome.
Kind regards,
Francesco.
(See attached file: ZigBee4OSGi project proposal_v4.pdf)
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-18 Thread Francesco Furfari

 Well the right example is :

5 positive binding votes (+1)
25 negative non-binding votes (-1)

Francesco


Il 18/12/2010 10.39, Francesco Furfari ha scritto:

Hi Luca,

your vote is very important.
The binding vote of the Governing Board may  be used for critical 
situation, for example when there is a problem for resource allocation.
However the GB is operating in name of a community, and the opinion of 
the  community is important.
In this moment there are 40 people in this mailing list and more than 
70 in the supporters mailing list.

What do you think would be the effect of having :
5 positive votes (+1)
25 negative votes (-1)

Every negative vote must be clearly motivated.
And GB must careful evaluate every binding and not-binding vote.

I hope we will use this submission to discuss about the rules for 
voting and how the GB should manage the affairs of AALOA.
I will send send another email on this , well under the Christmas 
vacation there is the risk of a short discussion ...

but let's try ...

Best,
Francesco


Il 17/12/2010 17.25, Luca Odetti ha scritto:


Correction: it's not my "vote", it's my opinion
:-)

Ciao
Luca



Il giorno 16/dic/2010, alle ore 15:00, "Francesco Furfari" 
 ha scritto:


>  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
>
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
>
> I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
> the needed resources for its software development.
>
> As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
> abstain from voting on this issue.
> I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
> their comments are very welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Francesco.
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-18 Thread Francesco Furfari

 Hi Luca,

your vote is very important.
The binding vote of the Governing Board may  be used for critical 
situation, for example when there is a problem for resource allocation.
However the GB is operating in name of a community, and the opinion of 
the  community is important.
In this moment there are 40 people in this mailing list and more than 70 
in the supporters mailing list.

What do you think would be the effect of having :
5 positive votes (+1)
25 negative votes (-1)

Every negative vote must be clearly motivated.
And GB must careful evaluate every binding and not-binding vote.

I hope we will use this submission to discuss about the rules for voting 
and how the GB should manage the affairs of AALOA.
I will send send another email on this , well under the Christmas 
vacation there is the risk of a short discussion ...

but let's try ...

Best,
Francesco


Il 17/12/2010 17.25, Luca Odetti ha scritto:


Correction: it's not my "vote", it's my opinion
:-)

Ciao
Luca



Il giorno 16/dic/2010, alle ore 15:00, "Francesco Furfari" 
 ha scritto:


>  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
>
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
>
> I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
> the needed resources for its software development.
>
> As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
> abstain from voting on this issue.
> I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
> their comments are very welcome.
>
> Kind regards,
> Francesco.
> 
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-17 Thread Luca Odetti
Correction: it's not my "vote", it's my opinion
:-)

Ciao
Luca



Il giorno 16/dic/2010, alle ore 15:00, "Francesco Furfari" 
 ha scritto:

>  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
> 
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal 
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
> 
> I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate 
> the needed resources for its software development.
> 
> As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will 
> abstain from voting on this issue.
> I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,  
> their comments are very welcome.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Francesco.
> 
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-17 Thread Luca Odetti

Excellent intiiative Francesco
My vote is in favour

Luca


Il giorno 16/dic/2010, alle ore 15:00, "Francesco Furfari" 
 ha scritto:

>  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
> 
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal 
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.
> 
> I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate 
> the needed resources for its software development.
> 
> As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will 
> abstain from voting on this issue.
> I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,  
> their comments are very welcome.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Francesco.
> 
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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-17 Thread Joe Gorman
I vote in favour of this.

Joe



On 16/12/2010 14:58 , "Francesco Furfari"  wrote:

 Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.

I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate
the needed resources for its software development.

As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will
abstain from voting on this issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding vote,
their comments are very welcome.

Kind regards,
Francesco.


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-17 Thread Hanke Sten
Dear all,

+1 

vote from my side.

P.S.: We at AIT are waiting very much for it to work with the project!

Regards

Von: promoters-boun...@aaloa.org [promoters-boun...@aaloa.org] im Auftrag von 
Mohammad-Reza Tazari [saied.taz...@igd.fraunhofer.de]
Gesendet: Freitag, 17. Dezember 2010 06:39
An: AALOA Promoters
Betreff: Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: 
ZigBee 4 OSGI

Francesco Furfari wrote on 16-Dec-10 14:58:
>  Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,
>
> I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal
> concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.

+1

Regards,

-- Saied


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-17 Thread Mohammad-Reza Tazari

Francesco Furfari wrote on 16-Dec-10 14:58:

 Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal 
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.


+1

Regards,

-- Saied


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Re: [aaloa promoters] [Vote] Call for Vote on a project proposal: ZigBee 4 OSGI

2010-12-17 Thread Thomas Karopka

Dear all,

here is my vote for the ZigBee4OSGI project:

+1

Comment:
ZigBee is an important standard the covers a broad range of devices and 
domains.
The proposed project will ease the integration of heterogeneous sensor 
networks and allows developers to concentrate on application design 
instead of infrastructure development.


Best regards,
Thomas



Therefore it is a valuable contribution

Am 16.12.2010 14:58, schrieb Francesco Furfari:

 Dear Governing Board of AALOA, and Promoters,

I would like to submit to your attention the attached project proposal 
concerning the ZigBee networks integration with the OSGi platform.


I ask you to consider it for becoming an AALOA Project and to allocate 
the needed resources for its software development.


As promoter of this proposal and member of the Governing Board I will 
abstain from voting on this issue.
I remember to the promoters that even if  they haven't a binding 
vote,  their comments are very welcome.


Kind regards,
Francesco.


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