Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Dom Bragge
--- "Symanski, Jerry SPAWAR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gentlemen, I am currently involved in the all too familiar task of > choosing an EDA tool for our group. I would suggest that the majority of designed in problems in hardware really fall back to how much control you can wield over your sch

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.

2004-06-28 Thread Tom Hausherr
Ian, We took a poll and Protel is number two in worldwide installations (behind PADS). We have no information if Protel is gaining or losing seats, we just know they are the second most popular CAD tool in the EDA industry. I just wish they would show up at more trade shows and get more exposure

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Tom Hausherr
Mira, You are correct. I contacted the PCAD sales rep and he confirmed the following (which is good news): Thank you for contacting Altium Sales and Support. The PADS to P-CAD translator currently supports these versions: - PowerPCB® V1, V1.1, V1.5, V2, V3.0, V3.5. V4.0 - PADS® Perform - PA

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.

2004-06-28 Thread Ian Wilson
Tom, Why is your company including Protel in its library offerings? Are you detecting a rising presence in the market or what? Protel has hardly been considered a significant player in the US in the past. Stronger in Aust/NZ and Europe and some fairly good penetration in Asia I think (not sur

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread ajenkins
Actually, Tom, this kind of dialogue has been part and parcel within PEDA since its inception. > -Original Message- > From: Tom Hausherr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ...I'm not accustomed to > discussing alternate CAD tools on a specialized listserver. * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Mira
Jerry, It all depends on you and the PCB designs you are doing. If you've been using Protel, DXP2004 would be easier for you. You'll spend some time in learning it but not so much time and troubles when translating the old files. If all of you are new to PADS, you'll have to spend time for learni

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Mira
Hi, PCAD can import PADS v4 PCB files. I haven't done it myself but this topic was discussed in the PCAD forum. Mira --- Tom Hausherr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > > It would be really great if Altium Protel & PCAD had > a PADS V4 or V5 import. > > > Altium has been dragging this issu

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Joe Sapienza
John, I'm still not as to the DXF into Schematic issue, don't recall having any response as to whether I am an isolated case or 2004 is quirky in this area. I recall it used to work fine in 99SE. The flaw in the PADS ASCII in is the same for 99SE and 2004, I won't allow the To/Bottom assembly laye

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351

2004-06-28 Thread Tom Hausherr
PH, Yes, the IPC-7351 specification is starting the ball rolling on a 3D Modeling standard. What PCB Libraries has done to introduce this is making a dedicated layer to illustrate the Maximum Component Outline with a 1 micron line that is used for IDF export. The trick to this is to not put anyt

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.

2004-06-28 Thread Bruce Northrop
PH- We review all of our boards in 3D (Unigraphics). It's usually a PITA with either myself extruding each part one by one, or the mech engineer doing it and cursing me for not giving him better models. But, it's one of those things that need to be done. Just wish it was more streamlined. Bruce N

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.

2004-06-28 Thread Protel Hell
Tom, Is anything being done to standardize 3D modeling for PCB layout? One thing I think Altium leads the pack on is closing the loop to mechanical layout (3D modeling). Protel is similar to PADS with the Z height but they have gone one better, you can map a 3D model to your library part so that

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Hamid Wasti
Protel Hell wrote: If your people are familiar with Protel and the staff is stable you might want to stick with Protel. Did you have a change of heart Protel Hell or do I need a new prescription for my glasses? Hamid * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To pos

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Protel Hell
Jerry, I use Protel & PADS, and also Orcad to a smaller extent. Specctra too. The thing you cannot ignore is the fact that you have people who are used to using a particular CAD. Are they willing to change? If not, it does not matter if you choose the perfect CAD, if they do not learn it and use

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.

2004-06-28 Thread Tom Hausherr
Brian, You can get IPC-2581 Neutral CAD database format from www.ipc.org. You can get IPC-7351 information from several places. http://www.ipc.org/contentpage.asp?pageid=6.4.4.3 Or you can download many documents from www.PCBLibraries.com Download Center Documents section. You can also get a

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread John A. Ross [Design]
> -Original Message- > From: Leon Heller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 28 June 2004 07:15 > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS > - Expedition > > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Hausherr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Protel E

Re: [PEDA] P2004, create footprint in pcblib, place pad, designator.

2004-06-28 Thread Rene Tschaggelar
Shoultz, Ron J wrote: DATE : 06-27-2004 Sunday 1630 SUB : P2004, create footprint in pcblib, place pad, designator. To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm in P2004, pcblib. I'm creating a footprint. I place pad. I double click on pad, bring up properties. Th

Re: [PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.

2004-06-28 Thread Indrek Rebane
Brian Guralnick wrote: Where can I get info on the IPC-2581 & IPC-7351 standards? IPC-7351 is not released yet. You can get latest draft from: http://www.ipc.org/committeedetail.asp?Committee=1-13 IPC-2581 is released and can be acquired from: http://webstds.ipc.org/2581/2581.htm Indrek -- Indrek

Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition

2004-06-28 Thread Leon Heller
- Original Message - From: "Tom Hausherr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Protel EDA Forum'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [PEDA] Recommendations please! -- DXP2004 - PADS - Expedition > John, > > It would be really great if Altium Protel & PCAD had a PAD

[PEDA] IPC-2581 & IPC-7351.

2004-06-28 Thread Brian Guralnick
Where can I get info on the IPC-2581 & IPC-7351 standards? _ Brian Guralnick * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the li