Re: [PEDA] Linux

2002-05-28 Thread Jason Van Dellen

 I run 99SE SP6 in Mandrake Linux using a program called Win4Lin from
 netraverse.com. It works great.

 Jason

 On Friday 24 May 2002 08:28, Brian Sherer wrote:
  Hi, all;
 
  Has anyone successfully run 99SE SP6 on any flavor of Linux?
  Any tips on Linux version/vendor, or GUI?
 
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Re: [PEDA] Protel under VMware and Linux

2002-06-11 Thread Jason Van Dellen

I've tried VMware a year ago and it seemed very slow.  Then Win4Lin  
http://www.netraverse.com/products/win4lin30/index.php
came out and I've used Protel on Win4Lin 1.0 through Win4Lin 4.0.

It seems to run faster and more stable then on native windows.

Even though I would love to see Protel for Linux, so that I wouldn't even need 
to run an emulator any more.

For any one thinking about switching to Linux, this is a very good 
article/discusion regarding windows programs under Linux

http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?lang=ensid=2163

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Re: [PEDA] Fwd: OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate function. Linux Added.

2002-07-08 Thread Jason Van Dellen
 yourself a boot floppy.  When you want to boot Windows, eject
  the floppy.  When you want to boot Linux, insert the floppy.

 Sounds good. I'll try it when I have time.

   The OS is so secondary to me anyway. I don't spend my time
 
  working on the
 
   OS; I spend it in the apps. I could almost care less what OS I'm using.
 
  The
 
   core requirement from the OS is that it remains stable and running. I
   suppose if I was a systems administrator I would complain more about
   the
 
  OS,
 
   but I'm not.
 
  Maybe you don't care about the OS, but do you care about privacy,
  security,
  freedom, and fiscal responsibility?  MS is out to eradicate all
  of these in
  their OS plans for the future (WPA, Passport, Palladium, etc.).

 Sure I do care about those things. I don't need to tell MS crap about me,
 or I can feed them mis-information. I can just get that stupid reg ID and
 be done with it. As far as security, there are lots of other security
 devices to help where MS falls down. The simple  one is taking a computer
 off the internet when it's not needed. I don't do that because I trust my
 security implementation enough right now, but if I didn't, I would change
 things. Passport: who needs that? I don't. They require it for chat and
 hotmail and I'm sure more stuff, but I don't use any of that. I think there
 are enough people that dislike MS so much, they will act as the watchdogs
 of our computing society and 'alert' us when MS is going too far. So far,
 they haven't bothered me.

 The stink about IDs inside the Pentium cracks me up. What the hell could
 they find out about other than your CPU ID? Even if someone set a back door
 in your machine to relate your name or whatever to your CPU, they still
 can't prove it was YOU sitting there typing nasty messages to the prez or
 whatever. It was just your machine that was used. So what? The upside of
 the CPUID that got washed away would have been the ability for more
 security based on the CPUID so if I was going to a secure site and could
 only do it from one machine, that would have helped prove it was THAT
 machine. (Yes I'm sure the ID could be spoofed if someone tried hard
 enough, but if it was buried in some good encryption it would be very
 difficult.

 I'm done! :)

  
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Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice 3D CAD)

2002-07-09 Thread Jason Van Dellen
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Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice 3D CAD)

2002-07-09 Thread Jason Van Dellen

Tony,

It's not all Windows services, Win4Lin uses proprietary DLLs and drivers they 
have written.  So the hardware and resource management services are handled 
differently then if you were in native Windows.  The support staff at 
Netraverse.com could tell you more I'm sure.  I just know from my personal 
experiences.  Try it for yourself.

It's not exactly win98.  And there are Limitations.  For one you can't play 
games with DirectX, but who's playing games at work.

Jason

On Tuesday 09 July 2002 12:36, Tony Karavidas wrote:
 Well that's just ridiculous. The router's ability to complete a board has
 nothing to do with the OS except for when you bump up against memory
 limitations (which is fairly unlikely in your system) The autorouter code
 is an encapsulated function, and besides, you are still running Win98SE,
 it's just wrapped up in Linux. The memory management for the app is still
 the same; it's calling Windows services for everything, not linux. The
 linux memory services only help YOU when the Win98SE barfs. Instead of your
 machine coming down, only a controllable piece of Linux is brought down
 which can be successfully managed by Linux.

  -Original Message-
  From: Jason Van Dellen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:56 AM
  To: Protel EDA Forum
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice  3D CAD)
 
 
  I run ProtelSE sp6 on Win4Lin 4.  I switched over almost two
  years now from
  NT4.  Win4Lin only supports Win98/SE/ME so I use Win98SE.  I have a Dual
  Celeron 300 I build a few years ago and  even though win98
  doesn't sopport
  dual CPUs, under win4lin it utilizes both CPU's.  I found that my
  AutoRoutes
  are faster and finish at 100% or very close to it, when the same
  file under
  windows would finish at ~80%.  Also I found the memory management
  improved.
  Under native Win98, Protel would crash if you opened too many
  applications.
  Win4Lin still uses up memory but it won't crash.  The Windows 98 portion
  might crash it's still Microsoft you know.  :)  If it dose for
  some reason
  freeze or crash, I just close the window and reopen it.  It takes
  only ~15
  secs to be back up and running.
 
  I started back when Win4Lin 1.0 just came out running on Mandrake
  7.2.  Since
  then there has been great improvements.  I'm now running Win4Lin 4.0.2 on
  Mandrake 8.2.
 
  The Win4Lin install program works very well and the support is
  the best I've
  found.  I was having an interesting problem with my video driver
  and I worked
  with Win4Lin tech support for a while trying to figure it out.
  They couldn't
  understand why I was the only one having this problem, so they wrote a
  special driver for my computer.   And now it works great - It's a
  work around
  but it works, so I'm happy.
 
  Some features I like
 
  1.  While I'm performing an AutoRoute,  I can switch to my other
  desktops and
  read email (Kmail), perform research on the web, etc... without a
  performance
  loss.
 
  2. Better memory management, I can't remember the last time it crashed.
 
  3. I can back up my whole win98 install in case I'm doing some
  upgrading or
  just doing routine backups.  Let me explain the file structure:
 
  In Linux all users have a separate directory in /home eg /home/john
  Win4Lin installs a separate windows install for each user in
  /home/john/win/
  As far as Windows98 knows the root directory is /home/john/win/  = C:\
  So the windows directory for user john would be /home/john/win/windows/ =
  C:\windows
 
  So if I want to back up my windows I just run tar cvfz
  /home_john_win_backup.tgz /home/john/win and I have my complete windows
  install tarred or compressed into one file.  Like a zip (for
  those who don't
  know about tar)  I can now save it to a cd or another computer.
 
  There were times when I could run Win4Lin cause I was messing
  with something,
  but needed to retrieve some files, so I just went to
  /home/john/win/my files
  in linux retrieved them.  Then when I had time I fixed the
  problem and all
  was good.
 
  There's one feature that I'm not fond of and that's in the windows files.
  Win4lin creates these .mapfiles which are hiddin directory's in all the
  directory's.  Which I can only see from Linux.  So I created a
  directory in
  /home/john/User to hold all my working files and then shared it
  through the
  network in Linux with Samba and then used Network Neighborhood in
  Win4Lin to
  map it as a drive.  I found this works very well.
 
  Well I think that's enough for now.  I hope this helps.
 
  Jason
 
  On Tuesday 09 July 2002 08:52, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
   I have noticed that OpenOffice 1.0 (Windows version) will
 
  sometimes crash
 
   when opening a Word document if you do it by double-clicking on the
   filename in Windows Explorer.  But, if you open the Word
 
  document from the
 
   File-Open dialog it works OK.
  
   Could be a file association problem

Re: [PEDA] Fwd: OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate function. Linux Added.

2002-07-09 Thread Jason Van Dellen

  Anyone heard of a Linux based PCB CAD program?

Cadsoft has Eagle for Linux, I've installed it and looked at it, but that was 
about it.  I haven't made anything with it yet.  But I know my last company I 
was with has switch to it.

http://www.cadsoft.de/index.htm

Jason



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Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice 3D CAD)

2002-07-09 Thread Jason Van Dellen

Ivan:

Yes unfortunately you still need a valid License of win98, and you still can 
buy win98SE OEM with new PC's if you ask for it.  But you are right, who 
wants to give M$ more money.

There is an emulator that is getting very close.  Wine from codeweavers.com
is fairly nice.  It will run games and small programs without a Windows 
Install.  Wine gives you a choice when you install it; To use an existing 
Windows Install or Create one.  When I run the Protel and Camtastic install 
under wine they would fail, but if I run Camtastic through Wine pointing to 
my Win4Lin install of Camtastic then it will work.  But I haven't got Protel 
to run yet.  I also haven't put much effort into it.  So it might run yet.  
:)

I haven't tried the commercial version CrossOver Office from codewavers, it 
might run Protel.  But I'm not sure.

Jason

On Tuesday 09 July 2002 15:01, Bagotronix Tech Support wrote:
 Jason:

 It sounds like you still have to have a Windows installation on the Linux
 machine to run Win4Lin, right?

 I want a solution that eliminates the need for the Windows installation.
 Where you gonna find new licenses for Win98se now?  And who wants to give
 M$ more money for it?  Not me (maybe if they cost less).

 Of course, a Windows emulator for Linux would be a lot easier if M$ were
 forced to freely publish their entire Windows API (even the undocumented
 stuff).  That's what the DOJ should be requiring, not cash settlements or
 software component removal options.

 Still, it's good that it works for you.  Thanks for contributing your
 experience.

 Best regards,
 Ivan Baggett
 Bagotronix Inc.
 website:  www.bagotronix.com


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  I run ProtelSE sp6 on Win4Lin 4.  I switched over almost two years now

 from

  NT4.  Win4Lin only supports Win98/SE/ME so I use Win98SE.  I have a Dual

 
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Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice 3D CAD)

2002-07-09 Thread Jason Van Dellen

Tony,

I can see where your coming from.  I understand that Win4Lin is a Virtual PC.  
And I don't know all that Win4lin has done, but I do know when I look at the 
system files in the windows install from Linux some of them have a symlink 
that points to Win4Lin files.
Eg.  mrgpmon.dll points to /opt/win4lin/mwin95/mrgpmon.dll

I don't want to argue with you, all I know is my experinces.  If I run the 
same amount of applications like Protel, Adobe Acrobat and Internet Explorer 
in Native Windows 98 I have to watch my memory usage very close or else 
Protel will crash.  When I'm running the same apps under Win4Lin I don't have 
to watch memory usage as closly.  This is running on the same computer.  

Right now I have Win98 runing in Win4Lin with
-Protel99SE   which has been autorouting for over 7 hours now running Protels 
PCB Benchmark 94.DDB in the examples directory.  
I just opened 
-3 instances of windows Explorer
-Internet Explorer Viewing a google.ca
-Acobat Reader 4.0 Viewing a document
-MS Word 2000 Viewing a document
-MS Excel Viewing a document
-MS Paint Viewing a screen shot
-MS Outlook Express
-PCAD 2001 Trial Version Viewing PCB file
-Resource Meter
-Randy McNally TripMaker 1999

And I still have full control, things have slowed down a little, but it hasn't 
crashed.

Now if I did this under Native windows 98 things would start to crash.  Do you 
agree with me?

So these are my personal experinces and take it as you will.  Until you try it 
for yourself you will never know.  : )

Jason
On Tuesday 09 July 2002 16:13, Tony Karavidas wrote:
 I disagree. From their site, they talk about Win4Lin and Wine:

 Wine is a Windows system call emulator. Win4Lin is not at all like Wine
 because Win4Lin provides a virtual PC that real Windows runs in. Using a
 virtual PC to run your Windows applications is more reliable than using
 Wine or similar Windows Replacements. This is the case because the full
 Windows API is not documented and most Windows applications by design or
 accident rely on undocumented behavior of Windows. Some applications will
 be able to work fine via Wine, but it is not a general solution. In a
 virtual PC applications generally work because they are being run by
 Windows.

 So you see they describe their Win4Lin product as a virtual PC. Your
 windows apps see only windows because they are running in a MS native
 windows environment. Windows sees the virtual PC that Win4Lin provides,
 including a FAT file system and other hardware specific resources.

  -Original Message-
  From: Jason Van Dellen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:37 PM
  To: Protel EDA Forum
  Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice  3D CAD)
 
 
  Tony,
 
  It's not all Windows services, Win4Lin uses proprietary DLLs and
  drivers they
  have written.  So the hardware and resource management services
  are handled
  differently then if you were in native Windows.  The support staff at
  Netraverse.com could tell you more I'm sure.  I just know from my
  personal
  experiences.  Try it for yourself.
 
  It's not exactly win98.  And there are Limitations.  For one you
  can't play
  games with DirectX, but who's playing games at work.
 
  Jason
 
  On Tuesday 09 July 2002 12:36, Tony Karavidas wrote:
   Well that's just ridiculous. The router's ability to complete a
 
  board has
 
   nothing to do with the OS except for when you bump up against memory
   limitations (which is fairly unlikely in your system) The
 
  autorouter code
 
   is an encapsulated function, and besides, you are still running
   Win98SE, it's just wrapped up in Linux. The memory management for the
 
  app is still
 
   the same; it's calling Windows services for everything, not linux. The
   linux memory services only help YOU when the Win98SE barfs.
 
  Instead of your
 
   machine coming down, only a controllable piece of Linux is brought down
   which can be successfully managed by Linux.
  
-Original Message-
From: Jason Van Dellen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:56 AM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice  3D CAD)
   
   
I run ProtelSE sp6 on Win4Lin 4.  I switched over almost two
years now from
NT4.  Win4Lin only supports Win98/SE/ME so I use Win98SE.  I
 
  have a Dual
 
Celeron 300 I build a few years ago and  even though win98
doesn't sopport
dual CPUs, under win4lin it utilizes both CPU's.  I found that my
AutoRoutes
are faster and finish at 100% or very close to it, when the same
file under
windows would finish at ~80%.  Also I found the memory management
improved.
Under native Win98, Protel would crash if you opened too many
applications.
Win4Lin still uses up memory but it won't crash.  The Windows
 
  98 portion
 
might crash it's still Microsoft you know.  :)  If it dose for
some reason
freeze or crash, I just

Re: [PEDA] Fwd: OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate function. Linux Added.

2002-07-09 Thread Jason Van Dellen

 So, you're saying Protel 99SE works well under Win4Lin? 

Yes, but you still need the cab files and a Lisence.  
After you install Win4Lin it asks for the cab files from a CD or Location.  
Then when you install windows under win4lin for the user you want it for - It 
will install from the cab files you supplied and performs the install for 
you.  You can not change the settings or what applications you want 
installed.   It just zips right through without stopping except when you have 
to punch in the Install Code for Windows.

I tried VMware a while ago and found it very bulky and slow, is that still the 
case?

Jason


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Re: [PEDA] Protel under Win4Lin (WAS OpenOffice 3D CAD)

2002-07-09 Thread Jason Van Dellen

 Is winfor lin a separate shell i.e. is it to replace Red Hat etc, what
 Linux software do you use?

It's a separate application you install on any supported Linux Distribution 
like: 
Red Hat(r) Linux 
Caldera eDesktop 
SuSE(tm) Linux  
Linux-Mandrake(tm) 

List taken from https://netraverse.com/products/win4lin30/requirements.php

Currently I'm running it on Linux-Mandrake(tm) 8.2

For more information on Win4Lin check out:
https://netraverse.com/products/win4lin30/index.php

And for more information on Mandrake Check out:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/

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Re: [PEDA] Fwd: OS bugs WAS: Problems with schematic annotate function. Linux Added.

2002-07-10 Thread Jason Van Dellen

 As for speed, I think it runs as fast as Win2K on the native hardware,
 although it is a little hard to tell.  A 1 GHz machine is so fast

Yeah, a 1Ghz is much faster then my Dual 300.  I was trying out the VMware 
demo a few years ago and found it slow and the price tag too high.  They've 
probably made a lot of changes since I tried it last though.
When I found win4lin1.0 and tested the demo, I found it much faster and the 
price tag affordable.  The price at that time was only $40US compared to 
$400US for VMware.  (Or at least that's what I remember it to be).  So I went 
with Win4Lin and if you haven't noticed yet, I'm very happy with it.  :)


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[PEDA] CAM350

2002-07-17 Thread Jason Van Dellen

I thought some of you might be interested in this.

A client of mine has a Licensed copy of CAM350 for sale, they no
longer need it.

If you are interested email me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I
can send you more information.

Thanks
Jason





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Re: [PEDA] Kudos

2002-07-25 Thread Jason Van Dellen

I read the article on LinuxCAD, I won't be purchasing it any time soon.

I've use Qcad from qcad.org, it comes free with Mandrake.  It took some time 
to figure out how to use it, but once you figure out the methodology they 
use, it works pretty good. 

Here's the rating I found off their website.
QCad Ratings
IceWalkers: 5/5
Linuxberg/ Tucows: 5/5
 
www.qcad.org


Jason

On Wednesday 24 July 2002 17:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  BTW, I recently saw LinuxCAD's website.  It seems they offer
  an AutoCAD
  replacement for $99.  And they offer versions that run on
  Windows, for those
  who don't use Linux yet.  I don't know how good their product
  is, I just saw
  the website.

 The mail I get on LinuxCAD is to steer well clear of it. It's not even
 worth $99, from what I can gather.

 Although it's an old review, see:

 http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue30/wuest.html


 AFAIK, if you agree to the EULA for LinuxCAD, you aren't allowed to
 comment on it in public.

 Cheers,
 Matthew van de Werken
 Electronics Engineer
 CSIRO Exploration  Mining - Gravity Group
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Re: [PEDA] BOM sorter - version 7

2003-07-02 Thread Jason Van Dellen
This is a great little tool!!

Thanks
Jason


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 I hope you will like this - I think I have satisfied most requests.  Any
 other suggestions will be gratefully ignored.

 http://www.proteluser.com/download

 Regards

 David Watling





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Re: [PEDA] Prototype Assembly House

2003-09-02 Thread Jason Van Dellen
Hi Yuriy,

We provide quick turn high quality hand build assembly for engineer samples.  
We can work with supplied components or purchase small run material 
quantities from places like Digi-Key on your behave.

Contact me off list and I can provide you with a quote.

We are located in Calgary Alberta, Canada.

Thank-you

Jason

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On Tuesday 02 September 2003 13:56, Yuriy Khapochkin wrote:
 Could anybody recommend good place in US/Canada
 for ordering small prototype quantity (up to 10 pieces) PCB assembly?

 Personal experience especially welcome.

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 Yuriy Khapochkin.





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