Re: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word
Suzy, Thanks for the hint on cut-off edges. I think I tried printing the suspect schematic to a postscript file some time back but seem to recall there were some problems with this method also. My memory is not 100% on this (it may have been that the HP printer couldn't handle embedded postscript in Word documents at the time...). Usually the trick of print to postscript file and convert to PDF works well from troublesome Windows application. I don't have Acrobat so instead print to file using a generic postscript printer (the Windows Apple Laserwriter II NT driver works well), and then convert the resultant file to PDF using the freely available GhostScript GhostView package (see www.ghostscript.com). cheers, Mark Harrison Research engineer The Bionic Ear Institute / University of Melbourne Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 9:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word One extra point with cutting and pasting schematics. I occasionally cut and paste portions of schematics for documentation, by unticking the export sheet box. I found that it often cut off test from around the edges. My solution was to put white lines around the area you're exporting, so it uses them as the boundaries. A sure fire way to embed pretty much anything in a document (I often use LaTex) is to buy acrobat and print what you want to the acrobat printer, then export as postscript from acrobat and embed the postscript file. That way you get exactly what would be printed. Regards, Suzy Suzy Jackson - Engineer - CSIRO Australia Telescope Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.atnf.csiro.au/ Phone: +61 2 93724359 (bh) Fax: +61 2 93724349 Mail: PO Box 76, Epping NSW 1710 Australia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word
Hi Brad, Haven't taken the plunge with DXP yet. No real incentive until another project comes along (i.e. one with a nice big budget that can afford DXP :-) Maybe I'll try the trial/demo version one day - when I run out of Windows Xilinx bugs to solve and have some free time available :-) I should find out more about the offending WMF - I think it was created in Corel Draw 7 originally. Microsoft admitted to me at one stage that not even they stuck to the metafile standard they created and didn't implement all it's abilities in their own products so it's hard to say what the fault is - probably just one of those incompatibility issues we all have with Standards that are not standard at all! cheers, Mark BEI/ Uni. of Melbourne Australia -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:16 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word Mark, Good on yah fella. Seems that you have gotten to the bottom of a bug that has irritated us all for a good many years. I know that I will surely test your premise next time I am doing the old cut, paste pray routine. Have you taken the time to report this to Protel yet? Have you tried DXP to see if it is similarly effected? Possibly they could fix it in DXP at least for our future peace of mind. FYI, have you tested your premise on DXF exports as well? I had tried to export in DXF to see if it got around the problems but had no luck. With all of the various export/import combinations it is surely a Protel problem since it asks similarly in so many apps/formats. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Mark HARRISON [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word For years I've experienced problems copying schematics into MS Word and other Windows applications. The short story is: Watch out when using WMF graphics (such as company logos) in your schematic templates! They can corrupt the cut/paste process. The long story: Specifically, I had trouble cutting and pasting most schematics from Protel 99SE (every version) to virtually any Windows based application (under Windows 95 and 2000). Typical symptoms were: changing fonts and rotation of text. misaligned overscores on pin names. arcs and lines changing into circles. schematics that preview OK in MS Word but print outside the page margins. Copying to intermediate applications such as other MS Office applications, Corel Draw, etc didn't help (they just produce different errors). In the end I gave up and stapled the circuits printed directly from Protel into the back of the MS WORD manual (sacrificing the ability to produce a single document with proper page numbers, index and table entries, and the ability to produce a nice PDF document containing everything). After a lot of experimentation and loss of hair I've finally twigged that the schematics would cut and paste OK provided the company logo was missing (usually because the logo file was not in the same folder as a new project). The logo was a WMF (Windows Meta File) embedded in the schematic template that I use for all schematics. All the troubles went away when I either deleted the WMF logo file or converted it to a BMP bitmap format (and then saved and updated all the schematics in the project with the new template). Although Protel 99SE could display and print the logo itself, it was corrupting the Windows Meta File that was placed on the Windows clipboard during cutpaste. I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows of a Windows tool that can analyse or list the contents of WMF files, as I'm curious to see what was wrong with the logo file or Protel's interpretation of it. Cheers, Mark Harrison, The Bionic Ear Institute Melbourne, Australia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word
Mark, Good on yah fella. Seems that you have gotten to the bottom of a bug that has irritated us all for a good many years. I know that I will surely test your premise next time I am doing the old cut, paste pray routine. Have you taken the time to report this to Protel yet? Have you tried DXP to see if it is similarly effected? Possibly they could fix it in DXP at least for our future peace of mind. FYI, have you tested your premise on DXF exports as well? I had tried to export in DXF to see if it got around the problems but had no luck. With all of the various export/import combinations it is surely a Protel problem since it asks similarly in so many apps/formats. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Mark HARRISON [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word For years I've experienced problems copying schematics into MS Word and other Windows applications. The short story is: Watch out when using WMF graphics (such as company logos) in your schematic templates! They can corrupt the cut/paste process. The long story: Specifically, I had trouble cutting and pasting most schematics from Protel 99SE (every version) to virtually any Windows based application (under Windows 95 and 2000). Typical symptoms were: changing fonts and rotation of text. misaligned overscores on pin names. arcs and lines changing into circles. schematics that preview OK in MS Word but print outside the page margins. Copying to intermediate applications such as other MS Office applications, Corel Draw, etc didn't help (they just produce different errors). In the end I gave up and stapled the circuits printed directly from Protel into the back of the MS WORD manual (sacrificing the ability to produce a single document with proper page numbers, index and table entries, and the ability to produce a nice PDF document containing everything). After a lot of experimentation and loss of hair I've finally twigged that the schematics would cut and paste OK provided the company logo was missing (usually because the logo file was not in the same folder as a new project). The logo was a WMF (Windows Meta File) embedded in the schematic template that I use for all schematics. All the troubles went away when I either deleted the WMF logo file or converted it to a BMP bitmap format (and then saved and updated all the schematics in the project with the new template). Although Protel 99SE could display and print the logo itself, it was corrupting the Windows Meta File that was placed on the Windows clipboard during cutpaste. I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows of a Windows tool that can analyse or list the contents of WMF files, as I'm curious to see what was wrong with the logo file or Protel's interpretation of it. Cheers, Mark Harrison, The Bionic Ear Institute Melbourne, Australia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word
One extra point with cutting and pasting schematics. I occasionally cut and paste portions of schematics for documentation, by unticking the export sheet box. I found that it often cut off test from around the edges. My solution was to put white lines around the area you're exporting, so it uses them as the boundaries. A sure fire way to embed pretty much anything in a document (I often use LaTex) is to buy acrobat and print what you want to the acrobat printer, then export as postscript from acrobat and embed the postscript file. That way you get exactly what would be printed. Regards, Suzy Suzy Jackson - Engineer - CSIRO Australia Telescope Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.atnf.csiro.au/ Phone: +61 2 93724359 (bh) Fax: +61 2 93724349 Mail: PO Box 76, Epping NSW 1710 Australia -Original Message- From: Brad Velander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:16 AM To: Protel EDA Forum Subject: Re: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word Mark, Good on yah fella. Seems that you have gotten to the bottom of a bug that has irritated us all for a good many years. I know that I will surely test your premise next time I am doing the old cut, paste pray routine. Have you taken the time to report this to Protel yet? Have you tried DXP to see if it is similarly effected? Possibly they could fix it in DXP at least for our future peace of mind. FYI, have you tested your premise on DXF exports as well? I had tried to export in DXF to see if it got around the problems but had no luck. With all of the various export/import combinations it is surely a Protel problem since it asks similarly in so many apps/formats. Sincerely, Brad Velander. Lead PCB Designer Norsat International Inc. Microwave Products Tel (604) 292-9089 (direct line) Fax (604) 292-9010 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.norsat.com -Original Message- From: Mark HARRISON [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 5:50 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: [PEDA] Cut and Paste bug from schematics to MS Word For years I've experienced problems copying schematics into MS Word and other Windows applications. The short story is: Watch out when using WMF graphics (such as company logos) in your schematic templates! They can corrupt the cut/paste process. The long story: Specifically, I had trouble cutting and pasting most schematics from Protel 99SE (every version) to virtually any Windows based application (under Windows 95 and 2000). Typical symptoms were: changing fonts and rotation of text. misaligned overscores on pin names. arcs and lines changing into circles. schematics that preview OK in MS Word but print outside the page margins. Copying to intermediate applications such as other MS Office applications, Corel Draw, etc didn't help (they just produce different errors). In the end I gave up and stapled the circuits printed directly from Protel into the back of the MS WORD manual (sacrificing the ability to produce a single document with proper page numbers, index and table entries, and the ability to produce a nice PDF document containing everything). After a lot of experimentation and loss of hair I've finally twigged that the schematics would cut and paste OK provided the company logo was missing (usually because the logo file was not in the same folder as a new project). The logo was a WMF (Windows Meta File) embedded in the schematic template that I use for all schematics. All the troubles went away when I either deleted the WMF logo file or converted it to a BMP bitmap format (and then saved and updated all the schematics in the project with the new template). Although Protel 99SE could display and print the logo itself, it was corrupting the Windows Meta File that was placed on the Windows clipboard during cutpaste. I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows of a Windows tool that can analyse or list the contents of WMF files, as I'm curious to see what was wrong with the logo file or Protel's interpretation of it. Cheers, Mark Harrison, The Bionic Ear Institute Melbourne, Australia * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
