Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > At 09:07 AM 4/6/01 -0700, Peter Bennett wrote: > > >Those are the idiotic "rooms" that are supposed to be an aid to parts > >placement. > > As I recall, we are the "idiots" who asked for this feature. Just because > one does not need the feature in one's own work doesn't mean that it is > useless. Yes, I suppose the rooms may be useful at times (in fact, I'm doing a board now where they may be useful), but I don't think they should be generated by default - particularly since the room layer in PCB seems to be off by default. The rooms seem to be placed so they march off to the top right, each one offset from the previous by half their width and height - this makes my board appear much larger than it really is, and I have wasted several hours trying to find the "hidden feature" that causes my board to squish down to the bottom left of the screen when I do "zoom all". The first time I saw these things, I recall that I couldn't move or size them as I wanted - it was very hard to grab the "handles" to move them - so I couldn't really use them as intended. I'll try them again, and see if they work any better in SP6 than where I first saw them... -- Peter Bennett TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada GPS and NMEA info and programs: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09.04.2001 04:59:22 Please respond to Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ?? At 09:07 AM 4/6/01 -0700, Peter Bennett wrote: >Those are the idiotic "rooms" that are supposed to be an aid to parts >placement. As I recall, we are the "idiots" who asked for this feature. Just because one does not need the feature in one's own work doesn't mean that it is useless. The room concept is broader than the aid-to-parts-placement purpose, but, for now, it is great that there is a tool which can be used to automatically place parts in blocks according to schematic page. Schematics, especially well-drawn ones, quite frequently are organized in such a way that associating the parts on them is very helpful in placement. This is why we asked for this tool. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 Dear Mr. Lomax, thank you for your explanation of the intention of this feature. I too was wondering what this was supposed to be good for, as it only messes up my PCBs if I don`t uncheck the box in "update PCB". I can well understand that some circuits, especially analogue ones with lots of discrete components, can make good use of this feature if drawn in the way you describe. Possibly Mr. Bennett does designs like I do, with a number of IC's with high pin count or several different gates, which cannot be placed on one sheet of the schematic, if you want to keep it readable. I, for instance, devide high pin count components into different function "parts" in the library (e.g. 1st part PCI bus interface, 2nd part local bus interface, 3rd part control/port/or other signals, 4th part power supply pins). This is a handy way of building functional blocks within a schematic, but, as different parts of the components are placed on different sheets of the schematic, the "rooms" feature makes no sense any more for this kind of design. Regards, Gisbert Auge N.A.T. GmbH * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
At 09:07 AM 4/6/01 -0700, Peter Bennett wrote: >Those are the idiotic "rooms" that are supposed to be an aid to parts >placement. As I recall, we are the "idiots" who asked for this feature. Just because one does not need the feature in one's own work doesn't mean that it is useless. The room concept is broader than the aid-to-parts-placement purpose, but, for now, it is great that there is a tool which can be used to automatically place parts in blocks according to schematic page. Schematics, especially well-drawn ones, quite frequently are organized in such a way that associating the parts on them is very helpful in placement. This is why we asked for this tool. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abdulrahman Lomax P.O. Box 690 El Verano, CA 95433 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
I got tired of always having to uncheck the box, so I just leave them, but make them hidden -- rt-click, Options, Show/Hide, Rooms. BTW, the "Add component class" macros should have been in the Update Design list when Mr. Robison synchronized -- I always review the list to make sure it's doing what I expect. Dwight. -Original Message- From: Jon Elson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:49 AM Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > hello, > > i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a > previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i > updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb > file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. > > i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it down and restarting > it but they persist. i believe that i've inadvertently selected some > option to do this but i don't know what it was and i'd like to get it > off my pcb view. These are "rooms", that are useful in controlling pre-placement of parts, but aren't much use after that. Simply click on them and hit shift/delete. I have no use for them, myself. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > > hello, > > i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a > previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i > updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb > file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. Those are the idiotic "rooms" that are supposed to be an aid to parts placement. > > i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it down and restarting > it but they persist. i believe that i've inadvertently selected some > option to do this but i don't know what it was and i'd like to get it > off my pcb view. > > could someone please tell me what i've done and how to undo > it? In Schematic, do "Update PCB", and be _sure_ to uncheck "Generate component classes for schematic sheets" at the bottom of the form. Also, in PCB, go to Design Rules/Placement and remove any entries under "Room Definition". -- Peter Bennett TRIUMF 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada GPS and NMEA info and programs: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
thanks everybody! that took care of it... unchecking the "generate" boxes at the bottom of the update pcb process didn't quite finish the process. i believe it would have been enough if i hadn't gotten myself dirty by heading down the wrong path in the first place. i had to also do what peter suggested, and go into design rules and get rid of the room definitions. thanks again, miker > -Original Message- > From: Peter Bennett [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:16 AM > To: Protel EDA Forum > Subject: Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ?? > > Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > > > > hello, > > > > i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a > > previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i > > updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb > > file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. > > Those are the idiotic "rooms" that are supposed to be an aid to parts > placement. > > > > > i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it down and restarting > > it but they persist. i believe that i've inadvertently selected some > > option to do this but i don't know what it was and i'd like to get it > > off my pcb view. > > > > could someone please tell me what i've done and how to undo > > it? > > In Schematic, do "Update PCB", and be _sure_ to uncheck "Generate > component classes for schematic sheets" at the bottom of the form. > > Also, in PCB, go to Design Rules/Placement and remove any entries under > "Room Definition". > > -- > Peter Bennett > TRIUMF > 4004 Wesbrook Mall, Vancouver, BC, Canada > GPS and NMEA info and programs: > http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter/index.html > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > hello, > > i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a > previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i > updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb > file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. > > i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it down and restarting > it but they persist. i believe that i've inadvertently selected some > option to do this but i don't know what it was and i'd like to get it > off my pcb view. These are "rooms", that are useful in controlling pre-placement of parts, but aren't much use after that. Simply click on them and hit shift/delete. I have no use for them, myself. Jon * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
Hello Mike, In your >>Tools>> Update PCB window, there is a checkbox labeled "Generate component class for all schematic sheets in project" leave it unchecked. I think this is the source of your problem. Bryan Bernesi - Original Message - From: "Robison Michael R CNIN" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 11:41 AM Subject: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ?? > hello, > > i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a > previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i > updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb > file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. > > i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it down and restarting > it but they persist. i believe that i've inadvertently selected some > option to do this but i don't know what it was and i'd like to get it > off my pcb view. > > could someone please tell me what i've done and how to undo > it? > > thank you, miker > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Re: [PEDA] schematic on my PCB ??
When you select "Update PCB" in the schematic editor, a dialog appears which has a checkbox at the bottom labeled: "Generate component class for all schematic sheets in project" Uncheck that to prevent the generation of "placement rooms". John Williams QualECAD Robison Michael R CNIN wrote: > i changed some things around on a multipage schematic for a > previously built board, and now for some reason or other after i > updated the pcb, i have red crosshatched squares on my pcb > file that correspond to the pages of the schematic. > > i've tried refreshing the window and shutting it down and restarting > it but they persist. i believe that i've inadvertently selected some > option to do this but i don't know what it was and i'd like to get it > off my pcb view. > > could someone please tell me what i've done and how to undo > it? > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To join or leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/subscrib.html * - or email - * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?body=leave%20proteledaforum * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
