.
Yes, it seems pretty clear to me that it should be normative. The
Process is flexible enough with regards to Rec-track deliverables that
it allows us to decide what the best way for this spec to be
demonstrably baked.
Cameron McCormack wrote (on 6/28/09 7:21 AM):
Doug Schepers:
As we
like HTML5? Will there be an
updated revision or version 2 of Web IDL?
Another possible implementation of Web IDL would be an IDL checker, like
a validator.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
Cameron McCormack wrote (on 6/27/09 2:57 AM):
I’d like to know what
on by
changing the license?
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
ject to
being edited and updated individually.
Nikunj, would this suit you? Does anyone else have any thoughts?
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
cases that we
agree are important for the web than further specification work.
Actually, I think that's an excellent point. Nikunj, maybe that is the
next logical step? Could you take charge of that?
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
ot here to referee. We simply don't have the time or resources.
I suppose I would ask the chairs to weigh in on what they think the best
way forward is here.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
Public/www-dom/2009AprJun/0124.html
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
model
+ diagrams
* Event wording
[1]
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=6&day=17&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=43&p2=101&p3=234&p4=240
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
=43&p3=101&p4=234&p5=240&iv=0
[2]
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=6&day=17&hour=21&min=0&sec=0&p1=43&p2=101&p3=234&p4=240
[3]
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/proposals/d3e-keyflow.svg
[
Hi, Jonas-
Thanks, looks interesting! I'm interested in feedback on this from the
group, and especially interested in prototypes that test performance.
Also, I note that this proposal doesn't handle computed values, such as
the result of declarative animation in SMIL/SVG or CSS animation. C
e two are
related?
I'm thinking that a downloaded and saved file might reuse the widget
mechanisms, but with an optional flag that indicates it might be opened
directly in an application (like a browser or authoring tool) rather
than (or in addition to) a standalone miniapp.
Regards-
-Dou
Hi, WebApps and SVG-
Just to let you know, I will be away for the next week-and-a-half, for a
conference and a short vacation. I will still be checking my email
periodically, but I may not respond very quickly.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
eople upgrade their browsers to use new technology." ^_^ )
I like your idea of "listenOnce()". Would that also be removed by
"unlisten()" in case the author wanted to cancel it, or would it require
its own remover? Is it worth thinking about simply adding an optional
Hi, Nikunj-
Nikunj Mehta wrote (on 4/24/09 2:24 AM):
On Apr 23, 2009, at 1:04 PM, Doug Schepers wrote:
Rather than change the charter (which would require everyone who's
already rejoined to re-rejoin at the simplest, and might require
another AC review at the worst), Nikunj offered th
Hi, Nikunj-
Ian Hickson wrote (on 4/23/09 6:34 PM):
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Doug Schepers wrote:
> The draft got published today, so it's too late to change the
> high-profile version of the spec.
It's not too late at all. This group can publish as frequently as it
wan
Hi, Ian-
Ian Hickson wrote (on 4/23/09 4:18 PM):
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Doug Schepers wrote:
Jonas and others seem to support broadening the scope, and I've also
been reading various posts in the blogosphere that also question whether
SQL is the right choice (I see a lot of support for
ould satisfy him.
If this is acceptable to the WG as a whole, I would ask that a message
similar to the above be put in a prominent place in the spec. This
seems like the soundest way forward.
Art, Chaals, care to chime in? Other comments on this matter?
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contac
p://www.w3.org/2009/04/webapps-charter
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
Hi, Folks-
This is a reminder that we will NOT have a DOM 3 Events telcon today.
Stay tuned for next week.
Regards-
-Doug
html/draft-abarth-origin-00
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2007OctDec/0298.html
Best Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
/Consortium/Patent-Policy-20040205/#sec-Exclusion
[5] http://www.w3.org/2007/04/patent-exception-management
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
Hi, Robert-
Robert Sayre wrote (on 2/20/09 12:56 PM):
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 8:44 PM, Doug Schepers wrote:
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
> Believe in namespaces or don't.
Oh, I believe in namespaces.
But when it can be avoided, it's better for authors if:
a) there
might be or something, and for the
Access spec, a better name might be .
Thoughts?
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets/#the-access-element
[2] http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-access/#sec_3.1.
[3] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2008/ED-xhtml-access-20081023/
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and
ion, other than the larger companies that are
making direct large revenue benefits from it. That seems fair to me.
Just correcting the record.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
d by
the technology, not to exclude options. Meeting use cases and
requirements is necessary, but not sufficient.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
, in the widget manifest, a width and height to the first
one, if it doesn't match those dimensions (let's say it's width="30"
height="20"), then it should only show a portion of the icon (if the
native icon dimensions are smaller), or it should show space around the
Hi, Marcos-
Marcos Caceres wrote (on 1/29/09 12:51 PM):
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Doug Schepers wrote:
>
>>>> If you would like me to work up proposed spec text, I could oblige you.
>>>
>>> That would be great! The relevant sections are:
Hi, Marcos-
Marcos Caceres wrote (on 1/29/09 7:53 AM):
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Doug Schepers wrote:
>
>> I think that rather than specifying a particular spec or profile, the
>> Widgets spec should instead reference a feature set that is appropriate
>>
lige you.
On another topic, I would like to use Widgets with pure SVG content,
rather than including HTML... I didn't see a clear way to do this, nor
was it explicitly disallowed. I'll review the spec more to see if there
are problems in this regard.
[1] http://www.schepers.cc/svg/blendups/embedding.html
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
mixing SVG into text/html. We are also looking
at decreasing unnecessary dependence on namespaces (such as potentially
allowing @href to be used in the null ns (that is, not prefixed with
"xlink:").
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
ce" is
probably more evocative of a range of data types.
I'm in favor of changing the name, for the reasons stated, and would
support Cross-Origin Resource Sharing.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
Hi, Cameron-
My opinion is that the editor of the Element Traversal spec simply
didn't know what he was doing (no offense).
I would suggest that a separate file be made with the appropriate Java
interface file, with the appropriate license, and that it be linked from
an errata (and later a secon
Hi, Lachlan-
Lachlan Hunt wrote (on 12/8/08 11:26 AM):
>
Selectors are evaluated against a given element in the context the
entire DOM tree in which the element is located.
>>
>> ...in the context of?
>
> I'm not sure how to phrase that any more clearly. It means that when
> evaluati
e Selectors API to select only the svg 'font'
elements and how to select only the svg font elements that have a prefix
on the element.
== References
Please add a normative reference to CSS Namespaces[1].
Clarify if "Other references" means "Informative references" or something
else.
[1] http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-namespace/
Regards-
-Doug Schepers, on behalf of the SVG WG
Hi WebApps Fans-
I have to cancel this week's telcon, and TPAC is next week. DOM3 Events
telcons will resume in November.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
Hi DOM3 Events Fans-
This is a reminder that we will *not* have a DOM 3 Events telcon today.
Telcons will resume October 15.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
in a way we're all happy with.
The Last Call period ends on 10 October 2008, and we are unlikely to be
able to extend it, given our schedule constraints. Please see the
forwarded email below for details on commenting.
Thanks-
-Doug Schepers, on behalf of the SVG WG
Doug Schepers wrote (on
(particularly though with a lot of dragging, drawing, or other
mousemove-specific operations) it can help with performance.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG and WebApps WGs
ting
> much of an example.
>
> You don't seem to like to have it pointed out when you're wrong.
> Instead, you would rather retaliate by calling me names. I guess you
> would call this behavior "socially competent behavior."
>
> Garrett
>
>> Regards,
&
Hi, WebApps Fans-
WebIDL is in the news, including a short interview with Cameron, and an
endorsement by Hixie!
http://www.infoq.com/news/2008/09/WebIDL
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
t and planned telcons, with a
brief summary of issues discussed. [3]
[1] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events#Day_and_Time
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/03_Sept_2008
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events_Agenda
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
iel Glazman
pointed out.
I'll start drawing up use cases and requirements. Contributions welcome.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
, so I put them in our wiki
as a general guideline. [3] If anyone has any comments or questions,
please let us know.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/
[2] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/Tracker_Guidelines
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact
follows section 7.4.3 of the W3C Process
Document: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#cfi
Thank you,
For Tim Berners-Lee, Director, and
Doug Schepers, Rich Web Clients Activity Lead;
Ian Jacobs, Head of W3C Communications
==
Quoting from the
Hi, Carmelo-
We aren't using the wiki for uploading files, only for editing wiki
pages. Please use the DOM3 Events CVS repository to upload files:
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/tests/
If you need help with that, please let me know.
Regards-
-Doug
Carmelo Montanez wrote
http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/06_Aug_2008
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events_Agenda
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
be very helpful and greatly appreciated.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
David Rogers wrote (on 8/1/08 7:41 AM):
Dear Art, Marcos and all,
Please find attached the second set of OMTP BONDI input to the W3C Web
Applications WG Widget Requirements last call
Hi, Sergiu-
I forgot to mention, if you are not satisfied by these responses, please
respond within two weeks, or sooner if possible.
Regards-
-Doug
Doug Schepers wrote (on 7/30/08 2:56 AM):
Hi, Sergiu-
Thanks for your detail review
Sergiu Dumitriu wrote (on 3/14/08 4:07 PM):
Some
it anyway.
B: typo: "Element has -the- all the attributes"
Fixed.
B: Shouldn't the "In a User Agent..." text be placed outside the "code"
div? In its current position it looks bad all bold, and it also causes:
B: Repetition:
"...has the attributes def
EntityReference node, it
descends into it without informing the caller, and processes any
children as if they had been present at the place where the entity node
was found."
If this does not satisfy either of you, please respond within two weeks,
or sooner if possible.
Regards-
-Doug
useful. So, no change to the specification will be made at this late
stage.
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008Mar/0226.html
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Hi, Paul-
Thanks very much for your review. Though it resulted in no comments
(and therefore no changes to the spec), feedback of this sort is
nevertheless valuable to maintain a consistent platform.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Grosso, Paul wrote (on 3
s soon as possible if this satisfies your comment.
[1]
http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/ElementTraversal/publish/ElementTraversal.html?rev=1.15
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Hi WebApps Fans-
This is a reminder that the 30 July telcon for DOM3 Events has been
cancelled, due to a number of absences.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
of us to join
yours, for coordination, please let us know.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
/wiki/DOM3Events_Agenda
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
ay...
No, I intend to define that regardless of whether or not we deprecate it.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
operations. For example setting .innerHTML should
likely constitute a compound operation. For DOM Core, every function
that mutates the DOM should be considered a compound operation.
Maybe a DOM3 Core 2nd edition, or DOM4 Core, could provide these
stricter event orders for compound operations.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
s
for keyIdentifierChar, keyIdentifierName, and keyIdentifierUnicode
(or an object that contains them and has stringification magic) [on
Doug Schepers - due 2008-07-23].
[12]http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Event
s.html#events-Events-KeyboardEvents-
ith previous Recommendations,
requiring application-level changes, maybe XML technologies aren’t as
reliable as we all thought.
Well, there are those who would argue that anyone, but I'm not one of
them. :)
Your point about compatibility with DOM2 is very well made and taken.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
//www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/16_Jul_2008
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events_Agenda
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
Hi, Sergey-
Thanks for your prompt and informative feedback!
Sergey Ilinsky wrote (on 7/15/08 6:39 AM):
Doug Schepers wrote:
* DOMNodeRemoved and DOMNodeRemovedFromDocument would be fired after
the mutation rather than before
* DOM operations that perform multiple sub-operations (such as
37 -0700
From: Jonas Sicking <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Doug Schepers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ian Hickson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mutation Events Pain Points
Maciej Stachowiak wrote:
On Jul 6, 2008, at 9:32 PM, Jonas Sicking wrote
t IE team has experienced some turbulence while getting
more involved in W3C, but I am encouraged by the productivity that a F2F
can bring.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Teleconference
09 Jul 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-webapps-irc
Attendees
Present
Shepazu, smaug, Carmelo
Regrets
Chair
Doug Schepers
Scribe
Carmelo
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Test Suite
* [5
ebapps/wiki/9_Jul_2008
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events_Agenda
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-Doug Schepers
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, explicit response is preferred.
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
regarded as
assent, explicit response is preferred.
+1 for publishing
Sounds like a good idea to me.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
tion to go door-to-door and
manually correct each keyboard (by force if necessary). I am aware that
this may take some time (even weeks, perhaps), but I believe that that
would be a more logical and pragmatic approach than for DOM3 Events to
munge all Latinate characters into the uppercase. We all know that
typing in all caps is rude, and forcing all keyboard events to SHOUT
would degrade the bounds of polite society.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Hi, Jonas-
Jonas Sicking wrote (on 6/25/08 8:48 PM):
Doug Schepers wrote:
Hi, WebApps WG-
The WebApps F2F meeting page has been updated to reflect the current
agenda:
http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/Group/f2f0807.html (member-only)
I do notice that some of the times are in what you
Hi WebApps Fans-
Because of a number of regrets, today's DOM3 Events telcon has been
cancelled. We will also not meet next week, due to the F2F.
We will resume telcons in 2 weeks, on July 9.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
Hi, Folks-
At the upcoming F2F, I would also like to spend an hour or two
discussing DOM3 Events, if we find the time and have the right people.
I don't care what day this happens on.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Hi, Folks-
Fixed.
Sunava, you can put away the heart meds. :)
-Doug
Charles McCathieNevile wrote (on 6/24/08 12:10 AM):
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:30:39 +0200, Sunava Dutta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The meeting says Tuesday through Thursday 24th - 26 June 2008 in the
Overview section.
I ju
use it
in the same timeframe as Element Traversal. I hope this resolves your
issue satisfactorily.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
you either outline the opposing
arguments in Tracker, or on the wiki:
http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/XHR
That way we can look at the arguments dispassionately, side by side, and
decide on the merits.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
map?
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
grets
Andrew, Emmons
Chair
Doug Schepers
Scribe
Olli Pettay
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Wheel Event
* [6]Summary of Action Items
_
Date: 18 June 2008
[7]http://dev.w
ple
are relying on their comments being logged, this can be an unwelcome
surprise. Is there a safeguard against that?
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
.
We will also maintain a list of all the past and planned telcons, with a
brief summary of issues discussed. [3]
[1] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events#Day_and_Time
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/11_Jun_2008
[3] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/DOM3Events_Agenda
Regards-
hings to consider;
* Actions are specific tasks that need to be accomplished by a given
person within a certain timeframe; they may come from formal issues, or
they may simply arise during a discussion; they are meant to be resolved
quickly.
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
editor, and the contributors)
think this would be useful?
[1] http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/track/products/4
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
Hi, Anne-
Anne van Kesteren wrote (on 6/16/08 6:21 AM):
On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:24:12 +0200, Doug Schepers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
To be fair, I want to note that during this same timeframe, we have
been holding regular telcons for DOM3 Events, and that Travis Leithead
(also of Micro
;t read my email.
Details inline
Maciej Stachowiak wrote (on 6/16/08 4:09 AM):
On Jun 15, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Doug Schepers wrote:
I encourage the chairs of the new WebApps WG to start holding regular
telcons in which binding decisions are made, based on evidence
presented in email, wi
rival organizations
I encourage the chairs of the new WebApps WG to start holding regular
telcons in which binding decisions are made, based on evidence presented
in email, wikis, tests, other documents, and (yes) verbal discussion.
Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
t the chairs to help preserve the peace by enforcing a civil tone
and by holding people accountable for their responsibilities, and I
don't want to step on their toes. But I do hope that the participants
in this group will consider this.
Best Regards-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps,
ade. In
this spirit, I'd rather it were not a PDF, but an HTML or plain-text
version.
Thanks-
-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, WebApps, SVG, and CDF
DOM L3 Events
[recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2008/06/11-webapps-minutes.html#action01]
Created ACTION-2 - Continue discussion on list regarding
event handler attributes and should they be specified in DOM L3
Events [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-18].
shepazu: No
Hi, Folks-
Note that we will now be meeting in #webapps, not #webapi. The phone
bridge information remains the same.
-Doug
Doug Schepers wrote (on 6/11/08 12:57 PM):
Hi WebApps Fans-
This is a reminder that we will have a DOM 3 Events telcon today, 11
June . Please reply to public
genda
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-Doug Schepers
W3C Team Contact, SVG, CDF, and WebAPI
so, but I
made a judgment call that most of you would rather not miss out on
messages of interest. Honestly, it's really very interesting... you
should stick around.
So, welcome to the WebApps mailing list!
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-Doug Schepers
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