On 6/27/07, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ian Bicking wrote:
Personally I'd like to see something a bit different:
* Way for a library to get the transaction manager.
* Interface for that transaction manager, maybe copied from Zope.
* Single convention for how to specify a
http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2007/06/python_web_application_framewo.html
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On Jun 28, 2007, at 8:52 PM, Mike Orr wrote:
On 6/28/07, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3. Either some middleware or just a few lines inside the
BaseController
of the TurboGears template that starts a
On 6/28/07, Jonathan LaCour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Orr wrote:
So if i want to use this for all URLs under a certain prefix, I would
direct the route to my subclass of TurboGearsController, using action
route (always?).
Well, thats the idea. It needs lots of love and testing,
drawbacks of TG is it's documentation (or lack thereof) when it comes to
using SA together with it.
I actually asked Michael Bayer a couple of dumb questions as result of not
knowing what the controller did in a SQLAlchemy turbogears project. I am
glad I wasn't the only one who was
On 6/29/07, Mike Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/28/07, Noah Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am pretty sure Turbogears riding on Pylons will be on a vengeance to
document things correctly and not just the API, but usage scenarios for
everything.
Joining forces will make a big
On 6/29/07, Mike Orr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/29/07, Noah Gift [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, this is really exciting stuff. I vote we capitalize on the energy
will
it is hot and start making subprojects and delegating things. One
excellent
strategy is to use community user groups
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On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Syp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello --
Does anyone know if it's possible to run Pylons and PHP together on
the same port?
I don´t know how this is handled in gentoo, but in debian, there´s
easy-install-2.4 and easy-install-2.5
You should also just use virtualenv:
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv
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and documentation. If you are new to Pylons, like I
am, it might be a good opportunity to learn more by trying to create
tutorials for things you don't understand yet. I find writing to be
an extremely helpful way to learn a new subject.
Noah Gift
Noah, there's your cue ;) All the information is there, you just have
to cat | sort | uniq it ;)
Ok, it is a deal then. I should have time on May 31st and that
weekend to document at least my version of a tutorial based on that
info. I completely agree with Mike Orr, the best writing comes
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Alberto,
Glad to hear you have an update for ToscaWidgets. I had a Google App Engine
related question and suggestion. I talked to Guido at the Google I/O
conference and he mentioned that the only thing missing with the default
webapp framework included with GAE is form validation. In those
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Alberto Valverde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Alberto,
Glad to hear you have an update for ToscaWidgets. I had a Google App
Engine related question and suggestion. I talked to Guido at the
Google I/O conference and he mentioned
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Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
I'm not making any judgments about anyone. However, I did see a great
talk yesterday called How Open Source Projects Survive Poisonous
People: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE
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with
that library. If you write the code, let me know :)
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Tried to install Pylons 0.9.7 beta on a colleague's Mac and got a funny
error:
$ easy_install -fhttp://pylonshq.com/download/0.9.7-U Pylons
Processing Pylons
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Hi,
Google just put up a appengine recipes site here:
http://appengine-cookbook.appspot.com/
If anyone has information on Pylons on appengine it would great to get
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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Previously cropr wrote:
I don't use FormEncode. It is based on a very common design mistake
made by a lot of programmers, who think one can better generate html
from code. When a graphical artist designs the
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:04 AM, Jorge Vargas jorge.var...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 2:19 AM, Tycon adie...@gmail.com wrote:
to me it seems like a waste of time to deal with some poorly written,
poorly documented, poorly supported
library that someone wrote with not much
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Iain Duncan iaindun...@telus.net wrote:
Last but not least this is pylons, over here everything is optional.
No one told you to use any of them.
One thing that might be nice with Pylons, is if each optional
component had a rating system that included
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Iain Duncan iaindun...@telus.net wrote:
On Sat, 2008-12-27 at 16:51 -0800, Mike Orr wrote:
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Iain Duncan iaindun...@telus.net wrote:
Last but not least this is pylons, over here everything is optional.
No one told you
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Jonathan Vanasco jonat...@findmeon.com wrote:
Django is like Rails -- it forces you into building certain types of
apps with certain styles.
If you build a Django app , you're pretty much married to it -- and
can expect it to work much like other apps.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Wyatt Baldwin
wyatt.lee.bald...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 19, 12:26 pm, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Jonathan Vanasco jonat...@findmeon.com
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Django is like Rails -- it forces you into building certain types
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Jorge Vargas jorge.var...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Wyatt Baldwin
wyatt.lee.bald...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jan 19, 9:20 am, Colin Flanagan quadvill...@yahoo.com
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
Matt Feifarek wrote:
Hi Ben (and Pylons list).
I've been thinking of buying The Definitive Guide to Pylons from
Apress, but am realizing that I'd rather read it on-screen
(syntax-highlighting, search, cut-n-paste, etc.)
I of course agree with Jorge's argument on the advantages of a non-
monolithic framework And yes of course that having different
components to install will naturally give rise to numerous
installation problems. But, it remains that that there were several
strange setuptools-related problems
. And the problems are different
on Windows vs Mac vs Linux, and App Engine adds another dimension. At
work people say, Half the trouble of Pylons is installing it, and I
often have to help them install it in person because otherwise they
get stuck at some error message and have no idea
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM, jerry jerryji1...@gmail.com wrote:
the enterprise way of thinking is what's brought us the economic
disaster, vast ponzi schemes where everyone looks the other way,
etc. I.e. seems to work for now so fuck it.
Bravo, Bravo, and BRAVO!
This is so
On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Dalius Dobravolskas
dalius.dobravols...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Sorry, Max, I don't have job offer for you.
Just an idea - PylonsHQ (http://pylonshq.com/) could have Pylons job
board where people looking for Pylons developers could post their job
offers.
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
What's this Kai thing you guys are talking about? I looked in PyPI
and googled kai python but didn't see anything that looked like a
software package.
http://bitbucket.org/bbangert/kai/
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
What's this Kai thing you guys are talking about? I looked in PyPI
and googled
On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Max Ischenko ische...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:50, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote:
That is what I am doing right now. So far I am up to downloading the
spidermonkey source code to compile couchdb...looks interesting
Installing
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org wrote:
On Mar 4, 2009, at 1:58 PM, kgs wrote:
I could not find anywhere unambigous answer if accessing Python
primitives from many threads is safe or not - for me it looks that it
might be not safe (because
Just an FYI, Weta Digital is looking for a Senior Web Developer, who
knows Python inside and out. Being an expert at Pylons is a plus!
http://www.wetafx.co.nz/jobs/
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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Peter Hansen pe...@engcorp.com wrote:
Kamil Gorlo wrote:
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org wrote:
http://effbot.org/pyfaq/what-kinds-of-global-value-mutation-are-thread-safe.htm
Yeah, this site is a bit ambigous, e.g.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edel SM sier...@gmail.com wrote:
for the meantime, it seems my workaround is set
meta.metadata.create_all(checkfirst=False) in setup_app function of
websetup.py.
I wonder if it would be a good idea to have an installation Troubleshooting
section and FAQ
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Alex Popescu
the.mindstorm.mailingl...@gmail.com wrote:
I've followed the setup for using Pylons with Google App Engine as
described on monkey wiki page [1]
After performing the hack mentioned in this thread [2], I've been able
to start the app, but now I'm
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Wichert Akkerman wich...@wiggy.net wrote:
Previously Noah Gift wrote:
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 4:42 PM, jose jj.gal...@gmail.com wrote:
So this brings me to the heart of what I've
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Graham Dumpleton
graham.dumple...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 29, 7:52 pm, Max Ischenko ische...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi jj,
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 00:42, jose jj.gal...@gmail.com wrote:
I can certainly sympathize here. ;)
I have tried various
Max,
Not sure if this is going to help you, but sometimes when I have
problems like this in the past I have introspected __dict__ in the
object, and looked for attributes with None set. I then log it, and
then delete them, by directly editing __dict__, which is very, very
dirty, but effective
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Max Ischenko ische...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:18, Max Ischenko ische...@gmail.com wrote:
The only thing I actually need is to preserve old Mako behaviour where
non-string values, such as ints or objects were automagically converted to
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that
something always breaks. I just got this today:
http://pylonshq.com/pasties/d8768f105749c5c169094812c4e0f01a
Sigh... This is a tad frustrating because everytime I tell someone to
use Pylons, them tell me installation
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Wyatt Baldwin
wyatt.lee.bald...@gmail.com wrote:
On Apr 8, 4:50 am, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote:
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that
something always breaks. I just got this today:
http://pylonshq.com/pasties
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote:
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote:
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that
something always breaks. I just got this today:
http://pylonshq.com/pasties
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org wrote:
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote:
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that
something always breaks. I just got this today:
http://pylonshq.com/pasties
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Bob Ippolito b...@redivi.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote:
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote:
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that
something always breaks. I just got
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Philip Jenvey pjen...@underboss.org wrote:
On Apr 8, 2009, at 4:50 AM, Noah Gift wrote:
I get frustrated every time I setup a new virtualENV as I forgot that
something always breaks. I
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote:
On Apr 8, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Noah Gift wrote:
I do like my analogy on Python packaging though, not sure if I have
shared it here or not. What would you do if, in a fictional scenario,
someone kidnapped your family, and said
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote:
Noah, you work at Weta, thats a big (and rather profitable) company that
uses
Ok, so I took the time to completely walk through the steps I had
trouble with last night, and I was able to reproduce the installation
problem. Notice that, yes, indeed, the wrong paster was in my path,
but I stepped around it by calling the full path to paster inside of
my virtualenv.
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:10 PM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:56 AM, Noah Gift noah.g...@gmail.com wrote:
I said I would get this done this weekend, so here it is:
If you check out go-pylons.txt and the README.txt, it shows that I
simply added a resource
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 3:55 AM, karikrishni karikris...@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry.. I found it here http://www.pylonshq.com/articles ...
Thanks...
Wow, that looks quite nice, congrats to Ben Bangert, Graham Higgins,
and James Gardner. I would love to read a book, on how they wrote the
book :)
In talking with Ian on twitter, he mentioned executable zip files in
Python2.6. I showed him what I had come up with here:
http://bitbucket.org/noahgift/bootstrap_pylons/
In addition, I think both Ben and Phil and Mike mentioned they like
the idea of bundling the dependencies in one file.
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 4:47 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote:
On Apr 25, 2009, at 8:57 AM, karikrishni wrote:
Is that generated on everyday basis? I don't know how often the
document is updated on the site.
I update it when the docs are updated.
Are you guys planning on putting a
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Brennan Todd brent...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been having some luck using Trac's component architecture to create
plugins for my pylons project.
It would be pretty badass if there was a Pylons project shell that had
Trac like plugins that was open sourced.
Each
2009/6/23 André Felipe Dias andref.d...@gmail.com
Hi, there
I would like to change the default dispatching middleware from routes to
urlrelay (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/urlrelay/). Does anybody could
give some directions about how this can be accomplished?
This would be an interesting
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:21 AM, john smallberries
welch.quietple...@gmail.com wrote:
I strongly agree with you about sqlalchemy being the gateway drug to
pylons. I was just looking for an ORM at the time, and sqlalchemy
stands out as the one to try when you are doing that search. Shortly
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Ben Bangert b...@groovie.org wrote:
On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Mike Orr wrote:
One major advantage of SQLAlchemy is the SQL level, which is several
times faster than the ORM for making bulk changes. This feature is
mentioned in passing but perhaps it
Hey,
Just an FYI, there is a broken old Pylons book link that I refer to in an
article I can't change:
http://pylonsbook.com/alpha1/toc
I think a redirect to here might be nice: http://pylonsbook.com/en/1.0/
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On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Graham Dumpleton
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On Dec 7, 3:07 am, andres and...@octopart.com wrote:
Hi,
I've been looking into performance bottlenecks in my pylons app and I
noticed that importing the pylons module itself takes 150 msec. It
might seem
I agree with Chris, but in terms of the future, it does seem like a open
standard for building core functionality, like wsgi, could be useful for
Pylons apps. Isn't this what you and Ben are working on?
On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Chris McDonough chr...@plope.com wrote:
On 2/16/10 2:17
try using supervisor and then proxing paster serve or cherry py behind apache:
http://supervisord.org/
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Charlie Meyer cemey...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
I have a deployed pylons application using apache and mod_wsgi. After a few
days of uptime, some of the
From the peanut gallery, I agree with Graham. I feel like a specific
version of software should mean everything, including packages it
depends on, are locked. If a new package it uses gets updated, then
it becomes a new version.
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:39 PM, Graham Higgins
I like the needless precision myself :) In fact, about a year ago, I
mentioned, I even liked the idea of having all the components
available in a bundle like an OS X application.
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:57 PM, Graham Higgins gjhigg...@gmail.com wrote:
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Noah Gift wrote:
I like the needless precision myself :) In fact, about a year ago, I
mentioned, I even liked the idea of having all the components
available in a bundle like an OS X application.
provide pylons as a pip
You can also run the strace command on apache and follow forks. You can tell
exactly how long the server is taking on ever call.
On Jun 19, 2010, at 11:18 AM, cd34 mcd...@gmail.com wrote:
In Chrome, in the developer tools is a timeline that shows the loading
of the elements. Firefox has
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Graham Dumpleton
graham.dumple...@gmail.com wrote:
On Aug 11, 5:23 am, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 10:48 AM, weixi...@gmail.com weixi...@gmail.com
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I picked uwsgi b/c it seemed like potentially less overhead coupled
That wasn't my experience in SF. I met a lot of Python shops who were
using Pylonesique stacks. I think it is a pure numbers game if you
don't have a ton of long term connections in a city. Heck if you just
applied at Python places near the Embarcadero, you would find a ton of
Python jobs...
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:13 PM, Mike Orr sluggos...@gmail.com wrote:
Here in Seattle the bulk of jobs are Microsoft products, of course.
There's a large Plone community and a medium-sized Django community,
but besides those the Python community is smaller and more scattered
than Portland or
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Jonathan Vanasco
jonat...@findmeon.com wrote:
On Aug 12, 6:54 pm, Wojtek Augustynski waugustyn...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice to see.
Wish there were more Pylons jobs in the SF Bay Area! :)
?!? There are TONS. a lot of the 'hot' and well funded startups are
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