Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 7:40 pm Łukasz Langa, wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 09:53, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily > impact the future of python-dev. > > > Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

I just wanted to add that while I was not involved in the Discourse discussions at the sprint (and didn't realise there were "discussions" going on), and while I would have been opposed to such a drastic change, my first impressions of discuss.python.org are good. Things that I have configured to

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 9/29/2018 4:51 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: 29.09.18 03:45, Łukasz Langa пише: >> (To paraphrase) 'We' are switching committers-list to Discourse. Who is this 'we'? I don't remember any discussion, let alone a vote. On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: Do you use NNTP? Like

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > Another way to think about this is if we wait until after our governance > discussions and try this experiment the volume quite possibly won't be at a > level to stress test how the interaction on Discourse works. And while I >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 08:31, Yury Selivanov wrote: > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:16 AM Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > [..] > > Well, I could announce it, but nobody would pay any attention. Why > > should we pay attention to this announcement? No offense to Łukasz, but > > how did he get put in

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Let's say that Łukasz went a little overboard when he told everybody to abandon the mailing list right now, especially in the light of the upcoming elections (first we will vote to choose a constitution, then we'll vote according to the rules set by that constitution on the new leadership). That

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

El vie., 28 de sep. de 2018 a la(s) 18:45, Łukasz Langa (luk...@langa.pl) escribió: > We'll be enabling GitHub and social logins soon, ideally with adding > identified committers to the committers group by default. We are looking into > this right now. In the mean time, please request

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:16 AM Steven D'Aprano wrote: [..] > Well, I could announce it, but nobody would pay any attention. Why > should we pay attention to this announcement? No offense to Łukasz, but > how did he get put in charge of this? You could and everybody would pay attention. As for

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:03:59AM +0100, Paul Moore wrote: > I mentioned something similar on Discourse, but I'm going to add a > comment here. This sort of dismissal of the validity of other people's > long-established workflows is not very helpful. [snip] Thank you Paul. Discourse may or may

Re: [python-committers] Non-active devs, become active! (was: python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org)

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:00:48AM +0100, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > Sorry if I misunderstand this, but is the plan to moderate *core developers* > > on python-committers? > > If you label it with an abstract term like this, it sounds like we just > formed the Python Thought Police ;-) Well, it

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 02:01:20PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > A couple of years ago http://news.individual.net/index.php (maintained > > by FU-Berlin (university)) worked well. > > Does it provide mailing-list mirrors? It's not obvious by the description. Ah yes, it only has

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Le 29/09/2018 à 13:55, Stefan Krah a écrit : > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:11:12PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >> On the more general idea of Discourse, I'm all for experimenting as I do >> agree with the advantages you mention. Like Serhiy I also like my Gmane >> workflow, but Gmane has worked

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:11:12PM +0200, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On the more general idea of Discourse, I'm all for experimenting as I do > agree with the advantages you mention. Like Serhiy I also like my Gmane > workflow, but Gmane has worked less and less well recently, and admins > basically

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 29.09.2018 11:40, Łukasz Langa wrote: > >> On Sep 29, 2018, at 09:53, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily >> impact the future of python-dev. > > Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made us >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 12:06, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 12:02, Paul Moore wrote: > > > > Isn't that just a restart of the conversation that happened on this > > list not too long ago (prompted by a question from MAL, IIRC) but > > missing the context of that previous

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 12:02, Paul Moore wrote: > > Isn't that just a restart of the conversation that happened on this > list not too long ago (prompted by a question from MAL, IIRC) but > missing the context of that previous question, and with less > participants (so far)? Did you read it? I

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 11:44, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 11:24, Paul Moore wrote: > > Are committers *not* active in the past two > releases not considered? Your figures seem biased. (Was I part of that > 30? I committed some changes in the last 2 releases. Barely anything, >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Le 29/09/2018 à 12:44, Łukasz Langa a écrit : > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 11:24, Paul Moore > wrote: > >> Are committers *not* active in the past two >> releases not considered? Your figures seem biased. (Was I part of that >> 30? I committed some changes in the last 2

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 11:29, Donald Stufft wrote: > Discourse is perfectly searchable using Google in exactly the same way as > Mailman archives. Cool. > It also has built in search. Somewhat less relevant - I assumed that but "most people" won't use that, they'll use Google. Paul

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 11:24, Paul Moore wrote: > > Are committers *not* active in the past two > releases not considered? Your figures seem biased. (Was I part of that > 30? I committed some changes in the last 2 releases. Barely anything, > and I do *not* consider myself very active in terms

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:24 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > > But at least it was *possible*. Personally I do a Google search rather > than using my MUA, but the point is that while it's clumsy, it's known > technology. I don't even know how I'd find a link to an old message in > Discourse, but I

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 11:04, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:53 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > This is exactly the kind of arbitrary decision making by an insufficiently > > representative group that led to us banning making any binding decisions at > > language summits: their

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 6:00 AM, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > >> On Sep 29, 2018, at 10:44, Stefan Krah wrote: >> >> Sorry if I misunderstand this, but is the plan to moderate *core developers* >> on python-committers? > > If you label it with an abstract term like this, it sounds like we just >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Le 29/09/2018 à 12:00, Łukasz Langa a écrit : > >> On Sep 29, 2018, at 10:44, Stefan Krah wrote: >> >> Sorry if I misunderstand this, but is the plan to moderate *core developers* >> on python-committers? > > If you label it with an abstract term like this, it sounds like we just > formed the

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 10:24, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:51 AM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > > 29.09.18 03:45, Łukasz Langa пише: > >>> > >>> On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: > >> > >> Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 09:57, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 11:19 am Barry Warsaw, wrote: >> >> On Sep 28, 2018, at 17:45, Łukasz Langa wrote: >> >> > Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of core >> > developers on it. And no, there is no support

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 1:53 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > This is exactly the kind of arbitrary decision making by an insufficiently > representative group that led to us banning making any binding decisions at > language summits: their in-person nature means that they're inherently > exclusive

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 09:23, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > > On Sep 29, 2018, at 08:50, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > > I hope it does, since otherwise python-committers is not only moving > > to discourse, but also losing its functionality as forum for > > core developers. We'd just have another

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 10:44, Stefan Krah wrote: > > Sorry if I misunderstand this, but is the plan to moderate *core developers* > on python-committers? If you label it with an abstract term like this, it sounds like we just formed the Python Thought Police ;-) But think about the concrete

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 10:40:02AM +0100, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily > > impact the future of python-dev. > > Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made us > decide to move fast on this. Sorry

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 09:53, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > Especially on the eve of critical governance discussions that will heavily > impact the future of python-dev. Ironically it's the very gravity of those upcoming discussions that made us decide to move fast on this. Part of why we are in

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 06:53:58PM +1000, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 11:19 am Barry Warsaw, wrote: > > I’m all for supporting the next generation of developers, but not > > necessarily at the expense of *decades* of established workflow for current > > developers. Moving to

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On Sat., 29 Sep. 2018, 11:19 am Barry Warsaw, wrote: > On Sep 28, 2018, at 17:45, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of > core developers on it. And no, there is no support for it in Discourse. > > > > We could probably figure something

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

29.09.18 03:45, Łukasz Langa пише: On 28 Sep 2018, at 23:04, Serhiy Storchaka wrote: Do you use NNTP? Like with IRC, you won't find the next generation of core developers on it. And no, there is no support for it in Discourse. Yes, I do. I read all Python-related mailing list via the Gmane

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

> On Sep 29, 2018, at 08:50, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > I hope it does, since otherwise python-committers is not only moving > to discourse, but also losing its functionality as forum for > core developers. We'd just have another python-dev or python-ideas > forum. I assume it's the faulty

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

Log into your account, go into preferences, enable Mailing List Mode. > On Sep 29, 2018, at 3:51 AM, Robert Collins wrote: > > +1 > > If someone can tell me how to configure discourse to work like a > mailing list; specifically: > > - email me messsages rather than 'X new messages"

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

+1 If someone can tell me how to configure discourse to work like a mailing list; specifically: - email me messsages rather than 'X new messages" nuisance-mails - work sanely with replies-from-mail then I'm certainly happy to adapt. -Rob On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 at 13:19, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >

Re: [python-committers] python-committers is dead, long live discuss.python.org

On 29.09.2018 03:21, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 28, 2018, at 15:03, Victor Stinner wrote: > >> It seems like anyone can subscribe. Is the Committer group reserved to >> core developers? If yes, how do you know which accounts are linked to >> core developers? > > You must be approved to join