Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch

Robert Kern wrote: > Apologies: for the other blank reply. oh, I don't know about that -- the eco quote made perfect sense ;-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http:/

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-3000] Iterators for dict keys, values, and items == annoying :)

Nick Coghlan gmail.com> writes: > There are three big use cases: >dict.keys >dict.values >dict.items > Currently these all return lists, which may be expensive in terms of copying. > They all have iter* variants which while memory efficient, are far less > convenient to work with. Is

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch

Brett Cannon wrote: > On 3/28/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>My view is that nothing should be "considered" unless there is >>a) a volunteer to operate the tracker (or, failing that, somebody who >> does it for money), and >>b) an importer of whatever data SF can provide. >

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch

Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. > > > > I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't > > see myself using it. So I'm not interested in a trac-based one, > > either. > > Me neither. It's too early. I wasn't really

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch

Brett Cannon wrote: > On 3/28/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>>Roundup is there now, right (sans SF export)? >> >>Richard Jones has an SF importer for one of the two XML-like formats, >>the one that is correct XML but with incomplete data. The oth

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 trunk built for Windows available?

Tim Peters wrote: > [Georg Brandl] > > for the Bug Day, someone asked me if there is a prebuilt trunk > > for Windows available somewhere so that he could participate. > > > > Martin: I read you've built for a snapshot AMD64, is there one for x86 too? > > If someone can explain what "prebuilt trun

Re: [Python-Dev] alpha problems -- need input

On 3/30/06, Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Disabling a test on a platform is usually a bad thing, overall. The Agreed. > purpose of the test suite isn't to get a lot of green buildbot boxes > <0.5 wink>, it's to determine whether Python works as expected. If a > platform bug causes so

Re: [Python-Dev] _xmlplus fixup for 2.5

Neal Norwitz wrote: > I don't know what the differences are. Are they large? Can we copy > the changes from Python back into PyXML? Or modify both PyXML and > Python so they are the same? Could we create a patch that would be > applied on importing PyXML to make things easier? Primarily, thing

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 trunk built for Windows available?

Tim Peters wrote: >> for the Bug Day, someone asked me if there is a prebuilt trunk >> for Windows available somewhere so that he could participate. >> >> Martin: I read you've built for a snapshot AMD64, is there one for x86 too? > > If someone can explain what "prebuilt trunk" means, exactly, ma

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned abug/patch

Brett Cannon wrote: > Same here. Please move any more comments about infrastructure to the > infrastructure list > (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure/). But > do realize the committee is not discussing trackers yet. We are still > trying to get our SF data out so that can

Re: [Python-Dev] _xmlplus fixup for 2.5

On 3/30/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The problem is that now PyXML is no longer maintainable (not that it > has been maintained very well, though): The files that used to be > identical in PyXML and Python no longer are identical, so keeping > them synchronized adds unreason

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Terry Reedy wrote: > "Gerhard Häring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> I proposed to link dynamically on Windows, and ship the Windows >> SQLite3.DLL. This has two advantages: >> >> - Python users can upgrade the SQLite3.DLL by a simple download from in >> case of e

Re: [Python-Dev] alpha problems -- need input

Disabling a test on a platform is usually a bad thing, overall. The purpose of the test suite isn't to get a lot of green buildbot boxes <0.5 wink>, it's to determine whether Python works as expected. If a platform bug causes some test to fail, then that test _should_ fail on that platform -- it

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 trunk built for Windows available?

[Georg Brandl] > for the Bug Day, someone asked me if there is a prebuilt trunk > for Windows available somewhere so that he could participate. > > Martin: I read you've built for a snapshot AMD64, is there one for x86 too? If someone can explain what "prebuilt trunk" means, exactly, maybe I can d

Re: [Python-Dev] Nasty trunk test failures

[Guido] > tokenize seems to be mishandling this line: > > assert 6 .__index__() == 6 > > Note the space between '6' and '.'. > > I'm guessing that the untokenization of this somehow drops the space; > this seems to be a bug in untokenize() which probably should add a > safety space after na

Re: [Python-Dev] reference leaks, __del__, and annotations

Jim Jewett wrote: > The checkins list has been struggling with generator reference leaks; > the latest conclusion was that some are unavoidable because of __del__ > cycles. That sort of defeats the purpose of resource managers. Seems to me we need a whole new approach to finalization that's frie

[Python-Dev] Class decorators

Phillip J. Eby wrote: > I don't even recall seeing any examples of class decorators > being used without arguments! I have often started with a function, and ended up replacing it with a callable object so that I could save state without resorting to "defalt args" or worse. I would prefer to dec

Re: [Python-Dev] reference leaks, __del__, and annotations

(Apologies for the thinko -- corrected because it was in the example code.) The checkins list has been struggling with generator reference leaks; the latest conclusion was that some are unavoidable because of __del__ cycles. That sort of defeats the purpose of resource managers. (Yes, it can be

[Python-Dev] reference leaks, __del__, and annotations

The checkins list has been struggling with generator reference leaks; the latest conclusion was that some are unavoidable because of __del__ cycles. That sort of defeats the purpose of resource managers. (Yes, it can be worked around on a case-by-case basis.) As I see it, part of the problem is

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch

On 3/30/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/30/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > > I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. > > > > I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't > > see mysel

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > I don't really care about the name, but please be aware that > you are talking about adding a *very* popular module name to > the top-level Python namespace if you go for "db" or "database". This would only be an issue for an application that had a private module calle db,

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Fredrik Lundh wrote: > not according to the documentation (which says that the embedded library locks > the database file, to prevent other independent processes from accessing the > data). I think that means other *non-Firebird* processes. Firebird itself uses a system of file locks and transac

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

"Gerhard Häring" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > I proposed to link dynamically on Windows, and ship the Windows > SQLite3.DLL. This has two advantages: > > - Python users can upgrade the SQLite3.DLL by a simple download from in > case of emergency +1 and thanks fro

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

"Anthony Baxter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Anything, but please no "db" or "database" top-level module or >> package :-) > > How about "sql"? Whereas I am quite happy with a 'db' package, and would like to see other db stuff put under it. tjr __

Re: [Python-Dev] PySet API

On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 13:09 -0500, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Please leave this one alone. I still need to work on this part of the API > and > do not currently have the spare clock cycles to do it right now. You don't > HAVE > to jam something in right away. Please let it continue to cook

Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 trunk built for Windows available?

Georg Brandl wrote: > for the Bug Day, someone asked me if there is a prebuilt trunk > for Windows available somewhere so that he could participate. > > Martin: I read you've built for a snapshot AMD64, is there one for x86 too? Not at the moment, and I might not have time tomorrow to produce one

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Python 2.5 update

Martin Blais wrote: > What is the process for upgrading the stdlib version of optparse? Very simple: the author of the library would have to contribute it. Actually, if the changes where contributed by Optik contributors, they would have to contribute them to Python. > Are there any plans to upgr

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hasn't trac already happened in the sense that it's installed (by Tim Parkin > on the Pollenation website) and in use by the website maintainers? Seems > the only major hurdle is the extraction of history from SF. That isn't actually the case. Test data would be availab

Re: [Python-Dev] Nasty trunk test failures

On 3/30/06, Tim Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > test_tokenize started failing on all the trunk buildbots immediately > after this seemingly unrelated checkin: tokenize seems to be mishandling this line: assert 6 .__index__() == 6 Note the space between '6' and '.'. I'm guessing that

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

Martin> Nobody has stepped forward and said "I make trac happen". Hasn't trac already happened in the sense that it's installed (by Tim Parkin on the Pollenation website) and in use by the website maintainers? Seems the only major hurdle is the extraction of history from SF. Skip __

[Python-Dev] Nasty trunk test failures

test_tokenize started failing on all the trunk buildbots immediately after this seemingly unrelated checkin: > Author: armin.rigo > Date: Thu Mar 30 16:04:02 2006 > New Revision: 43458 > > Modified: >python/trunk/Lib/test/test_index.py >python/trunk/Objects/abstract.c >python/trunk/Obj

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

So do I. On 3/30/06, Bill Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think sqlite is just fine. > > I do, too. > > Bill -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.o

[Python-Dev] 2.5 trunk built for Windows available?

Hi, for the Bug Day, someone asked me if there is a prebuilt trunk for Windows available somewhere so that he could participate. Martin: I read you've built for a snapshot AMD64, is there one for x86 too? Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@p

[Python-Dev] Fwd: Python 2.5 update

-- Forwarded message -- From: Martin Blais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mar 29, 2006 10:32 PM Subject: Python 2.5 update To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi I was thinking of a new action "append_const" to optparse, so I googled it to check if anybody else had been thinking about the same idea

Re: [Python-Dev] xmlrpclib.binary missing?

On 3/30/06, Aahz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 30, 2006, Chris AtLee wrote: > > > > The current 2.4 and 2.5 docs mention that the xmlrpclib has a function > > called binary which converts any python value to a Binary object. > > > > However, this function does not exist in either 2.4.3 o

Re: [Python-Dev] xmlrpclib.binary missing?

On Thu, Mar 30, 2006, Chris AtLee wrote: > > The current 2.4 and 2.5 docs mention that the xmlrpclib has a function > called binary which converts any python value to a Binary object. > > However, this function does not exist in either 2.4.3 or 2.5. > > The Binary constructor accepts a data param

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

> I think sqlite is just fine. I do, too. Bill ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

[Python-Dev] xmlrpclib.binary missing?

The current 2.4 and 2.5 docs mention that the xmlrpclib has a function called binary which converts any python value to a Binary object. However, this function does not exist in either 2.4.3 or 2.5. The Binary constructor accepts a data parameter, so I would say just remove mention of the binary

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Anthony Baxter wrote: > On Friday 31 March 2006 02:04, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> > Excellent point. Hm. Maybe we should just go with 'sqlite', >> > instead. >> >> Anything, but please no "db" or "database" top-level module or >> package :-) > > > How about "sql"? > > I can't think of a better nam

Re: [Python-Dev] Win64 AMD64 (aka x64) binaries available64

Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Thomas Heller wrote: >> In sys_getwindowsversion: >> >> return Py_BuildValue("s", >> ver.dwMajorVersion, >> ver.dwMinorVersion, >> ver.dwBuildNumber, >> ver.dwPlatfor

Re: [Python-Dev] PySet API

>> The idea is not yet ready for prime-time. If I do it for one of the named >> operations, I will do it for all (to keep the interface uniform). > Which named operations are you thinking of? s.union(t), s.intersection(t), s.difference(t), s.symmetric_difference(t), s.update(t), s.intersection

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch

On 3/30/06, "Martin v. Löwis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fredrik Lundh wrote: > > I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. > > I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't > see myself using it. So I'm not interested in a trac-based one, > either. Me

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch

Fredrik Lundh wrote: > I can ask them for a test py3k account, if there's any interest. I'm personally not very much interested in a Py3k tracker; I don't see myself using it. So I'm not interested in a trac-based one, either. As for python-hosting.com: Somebody would *still* have to set this up,

Re: [Python-Dev] Win64 AMD64 (aka x64) binaries available64

Thomas Heller wrote: > In sys_getwindowsversion: > > return Py_BuildValue("s", > ver.dwMajorVersion, > ver.dwMinorVersion, > ver.dwBuildNumber, > ver.dwPlatformId, >

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Anthony Baxter wrote: >> On Friday 31 March 2006 02:04, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: Excellent point. Hm. Maybe we should just go with 'sqlite', instead. >>> Anything, but please no "db" or "database" top-level module or >>> package :-) >> >> >> How about "sql"? >> >> I

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SFwhenassignedabug/patch

Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Georg Brandl wrote: > >> What I answered to was: >> >> """ >> from what I can tell, no big contemporary Python project use Atlassian. >> they all use Trac. there are thousands of Python developers out there >> that are used to working with Trac. >> >> I'm obviously missing

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assigned a bug/patch

Martin v. Löwis wrote: > > I'm obviously missing something here. > > One thing that you are *obviously* missing (there might be more): > > Nobody has stepped forward and said "I make trac happen". Without > somebody (specific) saying that, all technical arguments in favour > of that software are f

Re: [Python-Dev] Win64 AMD64 (aka x64) binaries available64

Martin v. Löwis wrote: > Thomas Heller wrote: >> Is this no longer available? > > Sorry, I just deleted that. I now replaced it with > python-2.5.13231.amd64.msi Thanks, I'll try that. >> BTW: When I build Python for ReleaseAMD64 myself, the exe crashes at the >> first >> Py_BuildValue call. >

Re: [Python-Dev] alpha problems -- need input

Neal Norwitz wrote: > These issues are on HEAD. There might be some others I missed. > > With cc there are at least 2 issues: > * test_file causes interpreter exit due to sys.stdin.seek(-1) > * test_pty fails apparently due to whitespace differences > > http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/all/a

Re: [Python-Dev] Win64 AMD64 (aka x64) binaries available64

Thomas Heller wrote: > Is this no longer available? Sorry, I just deleted that. I now replaced it with python-2.5.13231.amd64.msi > BTW: When I build Python for ReleaseAMD64 myself, the exe crashes at the first > Py_BuildValue call. That doesn't happen for me... can you find out why it crashes?

Re: [Python-Dev] Class decorators

Fred L. Drake, Jr. wrote: > > It's too bad this syntax is ambiguous: > > > > class Foo: > > """Docstring here, blah blah blah > > """ > > @implements(IFoo) > > > > As this achieves a desirable highlighting of the specialness, without > > forcing the decorato

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

Fredrik Lundh wrote: > so what's the advantage of a freely hosted Atlassian setup compared > to a freely hosted Trac setup ? > > I'm obviously missing something here. One thing that you are *obviously* missing (there might be more): Nobody has stepped forward and said "I make trac happen". Witho

Re: [Python-Dev] unicode vs buffer (array) design issue can crash interpreter

Neal Norwitz wrote: > See http://python.org/sf/1454485 for the gory details. Basically if > you create a unicode array (array.array('u')) and try to append an > 8-bit string (ie, not unicode), you can crash the interpreter. > > The problem is that the string is converted without question to a > u

Re: [Python-Dev] _xmlplus fixup for 2.5

Anthony Baxter wrote: > It looks to me like it's fixed in SVN. > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-December/058710.html > > Interestingly, 15 minutes ago I was helping the Ubuntu python packager > diagnose exactly the test failure mentioned in this email... The problem is that

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Fredrik Lundh wrote: >>> xml.dom.minidom? >> given the horror of _xmlplus/xmlcore and whatnot, I'd be hesitant to >> use the xml package as an example of _anything_ > > which reminds me -- is that issue still open ? martin? fred? It still is. I wonder whether I should just revert the change.

Re: [Python-Dev] Still looking for volunteer to run Windows buildbot

Gregory P. Smith wrote: > FWIW, thats an old BerkeleyDB (yes it'll still work). Python 2.5 > should ship built with BerkeleyDB 4.4.20 so thats what buildbot should > use if it builds the module. The buildbots now fetch bsddb automatically from http://svn.python.org/projects/external/db-4.4.20/

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Will it also work with e.g. sqlite 2.8.15 (ie. sqlite < v3) - > this is the standard version on SuSE 9.2. No, SQLite 3 has a completely different API than SQLite 2.x. If you need a Python module for it, you can use pysqlite 1.0.1. >>>Also your statement regarding sqlite3 s

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Anthony Baxter wrote: > > >>>Such a module name is less likely to cause problems. >> >>Excellent point. Hm. Maybe we should just go with 'sqlite', instead. > > > except that "sqlite" was the name used by the first pysqlite > generation: > > $ python2.3 > import sqli

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Anthony Baxter wrote: > On Friday 31 March 2006 02:04, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> Excellent point. Hm. Maybe we should just go with 'sqlite', >>> instead. >> Anything, but please no "db" or "database" top-level module or >> package :-) > > > How about "sql"? > > I can't think of a better name rig

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Anthony Baxter wrote: > > Such a module name is less likely to cause problems. > > Excellent point. Hm. Maybe we should just go with 'sqlite', instead. except that "sqlite" was the name used by the first pysqlite generation: $ python2.3 >>> import sqlite >>> sqlite.version '1.1.6' I'm not sure

[Python-Dev] new article - MapPoint and Python

http://www.mp2kmag.com/a131--python.pythonwin.mappoint.html Let me know if anyone would like to publish this short article on their web site. website @ MP2Kmag dot com for permission and instructions. Thanks, Eric ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python

Re: [Python-Dev] PySet API

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 23:09 -0500, Raymond Hettinger wrote: > Yes, _PySet_Next() is a good compromise for you and me -- it saves you from > writing a hack and saves my API from including a bug factory. The only issue > is > that Martin thinks it to be a crummy idea. Personally, I have no prob

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

On Friday 31 March 2006 02:04, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Excellent point. Hm. Maybe we should just go with 'sqlite', > > instead. > > Anything, but please no "db" or "database" top-level module or > package :-) How about "sql"? I can't think of a better name right now - can anyone else, or shoul

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 16:20 +0200, Georg Brandl wrote: > I'm not saying it's out of the question for Python, I'm saying that it's > out of the question for most open-source projects, which don't have the > money or don't want to spend the money on a mere bug tracker, and that > this may be the rea

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SFwhenassignedabug/patch

Georg Brandl wrote: > What I answered to was: > > """ > from what I can tell, no big contemporary Python project use Atlassian. > they all use Trac. there are thousands of Python developers out there > that are used to working with Trac. > > I'm obviously missing something here. > """ > > I'm not

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > [...] > Also your statement regarding sqlite3 suggests that sqlite > itself is not included - why not ? - SQLite sources are 1.57 MiB uncompressed, we wouldn't want to add that to the Python sources download size, would we? - I personally would not want to have the job to "

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Anthony Baxter wrote: > On Thursday 30 March 2006 22:31, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> I don't really care about the name, but please be aware that >> you are talking about adding a *very* popular module name to >> the top-level Python namespace if you go for "db" or "database". >> >> Why can't we just h

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 10:39 +0200, Georg Brandl wrote: > >> Perhaps that Jira is commercial, so it is out of the question for most >> open-source Python applications. > > Sorry, I don't follow. Why is a commercial product out of the question > for Python? What I answered t

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 10:39 +0200, Georg Brandl wrote: > Perhaps that Jira is commercial, so it is out of the question for most > open-source Python applications. Sorry, I don't follow. Why is a commercial product out of the question for Python? -Barry signature.asc Description: This is a di

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

On Thu, 2006-03-30 at 09:55 +0200, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > so what's the advantage of a freely hosted Atlassian setup compared > to a freely hosted Trac setup ? Dunno. I'm sure both will accomplish the job and both will be better than the current situation. I've used Jira and Confluence for almo

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch

On Wed, 2006-03-29 at 23:33 -0800, Neal Norwitz wrote: > I'm in favor of having Atlassian setup a system to be used for 3k. It > would be completely experimental and could be completely thrown away > which should be made clear to Atlassian if we were to do this. I > would use the system for eval

[Python-Dev] (finally) getting around to killing __private names from stdlib

I originally raised this a metric age or four ago, and promptly forgot about it - http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2004-August/048444.html The concensus seemed to be "ok, remove them, but carefully!" I've started doing this, and will post a patch on SF when it's done. Before I do t

Re: [Python-Dev] _xmlplus fixup for 2.5

Anthony Baxter wrote: > It looks to me like it's fixed in SVN. > > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-December/058710.html the issue isn't the one in that message though; it's the one in this message: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2005-December/058752.html "I

[Python-Dev] _xmlplus fixup for 2.5

On Thursday 30 March 2006 23:07, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Anthony Baxter wrote: > >> xml.dom.minidom? > > > > given the horror of _xmlplus/xmlcore and whatnot, I'd be hesitant > > to use the xml package as an example of _anything_ > > which reminds me -- is that issue still open ? martin? fred? I

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Anthony Baxter wrote: >> xml.dom.minidom? > > given the horror of _xmlplus/xmlcore and whatnot, I'd be hesitant to > use the xml package as an example of _anything_ which reminds me -- is that issue still open ? martin? fred? ___ Python-Dev mai

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

On Thursday 30 March 2006 22:25, Andrew Walkingshaw wrote: > On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 05:24:32PM +0200, Wolfgang Langner wrote: > > -1 on db.sql.sqlite. > > Keep structure flat. Or we are eventually in a Java world with > > org.something.this.andthat > > xml.dom.minidom? given the horror of _x

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

On Thursday 30 March 2006 22:31, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > I don't really care about the name, but please be aware that > you are talking about adding a *very* popular module name to > the top-level Python namespace if you go for "db" or "database". > > Why can't we just have the pysqlite package as t

Re: [Python-Dev] Class decorators

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on > 30/03/2006 11:38:30: > >> Jack Diederich wrote: >> >> > Classes have a unique property in that they are the easiest way to > make >> > little namespaces in python. >> >> For a while now, I've been wondering whether it would >> be worth ha

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

On Wed, Mar 29, 2006 at 05:24:32PM +0200, Wolfgang Langner wrote: > -1 on db.sql.sqlite. > Keep structure flat. Or we are eventually in a Java world with > org.something.this.andthat xml.dom.minidom? -- http://www.lexical.org.uk/ | http://covertmusic.com/ | work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "interrup

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Greg Ewing wrote: >> > Firebird could be a solution to this. >> >> so a library that doesn't support multiple independent > > readers/writers on a single file at all is much better > > than one that does, > > Where do you get that from? Firebird supports > multiple readers/writers perfectly well.

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Bill Janssen wrote: >> from a user perspective, adding this to the standard library is a no-brainer. >> the only reason not to add it would be if the release managers don't have >> time to sort out the build issues. > > I agree with Fredrik here. > > On the package naming issue: using "em" for "e

Re: [Python-Dev] pysqlite for 2.5?

Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Greg Ewing wrote: > > > Firebird could be a solution to this. > > so a library that doesn't support multiple independent > readers/writers on a single file at all is much better > than one that does, Where do you get that from? Firebird supports multiple readers/writers

Re: [Python-Dev] Class decorators

Raymond Hettinger wrote: > FWIW, I do not consider it an abuse to use a class to create a small > namespace. Essentially that is what it is for -- it matters not whether > the class has no methods. Two problems with that: * The word "class" in front of it is a misnomer if you've no intentio

Re: [Python-Dev] Class decorators

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 30/03/2006 11:38:30: > Jack Diederich wrote: > > > Classes have a unique property in that they are the easiest way to make > > little namespaces in python. > > For a while now, I've been wondering whether it would > be worth having a construct purely for creating lit

Re: [Python-Dev] building sql queries in python

Thomas Wouters wrote: > > Have you looked at SqlObject? (and its associated modules > sqlobject.sqlbuilder in particular) > > SQLAlchemy (www.sqlalchemy.org ) is also > nice, in particular for more complex setups. > > There's plenty of ways to reliably and sa

Re: [Python-Dev] Class decorators

[Jack Diederich] >> Classes have a unique property in that they are the easiest way to make >> little namespaces in python. [Greg Ewing] > For a while now, I've been wondering whether it would > be worth having a construct purely for creating little > namespaces, instead of abusing a class for thi

Re: [Python-Dev] Class decorators

Phillip J. Eby wrote: > Are you actually *using* this IOClass thing, or is this just a > hypothetical proposal? I'm using it. It's not hypothetical. Putting all the info I want in the decorator itself wouldn't be very nice in my case, or at least that's my opinion. One issue is that I'm also ab

Re: [Python-Dev] Class decorators

Jack Diederich wrote: > Classes have a unique property in that they are the easiest way to make > little namespaces in python. For a while now, I've been wondering whether it would be worth having a construct purely for creating little namespaces, instead of abusing a class for this. I've been t

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF when assignedabug/patch

Hello, On 3/29/06, Guido van Rossum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/29/06, Wolfgang Langner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is a Java system. Why promote Java solutions for python ? > > I think there are good python solutions for a bug tracker and we > > should prefer them. > ... > Also, we'r

Re: [Python-Dev] Win64 AMD64 (aka x64) binaries available64

Martin v. Löwis wrote: > I have now produces a snapshot of a Win64 build for AMD64 > processors (also known as EM64T or x64); this is different > from IA-64 (which is also known as Itanium)... > > Anyway, the binaries are > > http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/home/loewis/python-2.5.13199.amd64.ms

Re: [Python-Dev] building sql queries in python

On Thu, Mar 30, 2006 at 12:09:51AM -0800, Gregory P. Smith wrote: > http://www.sqlobject.org/module-sqlobject.sqlbuilder.html This automatically generated doc concentrates on the interface instead of usage. SQLBuilder is really a capable and very pythonic SQL generator. But it has an issue - i

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

Fredrik Lundh wrote: > Neal Norwitz wrote: > >> I'm in favor of having Atlassian setup a system to be used for 3k. It >> would be completely experimental and could be completely thrown away >> which should be made clear to Atlassian if we were to do this. I >> would use the system for evaluation

Re: [Python-Dev] building sql queries in python

On 3/30/06, Gregory P. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Getting off on a tangent here, but I would actually> like some decent way of writing SQL queries in Python --> not for importing, but for database access.>> Constructing bits of SQL out of character strings > sucks *extremely* badly.Have you

Re: [Python-Dev] _bsddb.c ownership

On 3/30/06, Gregory P. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The pybsddb project does not have its own copy of the code, it justpulls Modules/_bsddb.c and the Lib/bsddb/ directly from the pythonrepository using a script.Ah, excellent, that makes it a lot easier for the rest of python-dev.  Its appreciat

Re: [Python-Dev] building sql queries in python

> Getting off on a tangent here, but I would actually > like some decent way of writing SQL queries in Python -- > not for importing, but for database access. > > Constructing bits of SQL out of character strings > sucks *extremely* badly. Have you looked at SqlObject? (and its associated module

Re: [Python-Dev] I'm not getting email from SF whenassignedabug/patch

On 3/29/06, Fredrik Lundh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Neal Norwitz wrote: > > > I'm in favor of having Atlassian setup a system to be used for 3k. It > > would be completely experimental and could be completely thrown away > > which should be made clear to Atlassian if we were to do this. I > >