On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:51 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull
step...@xemacs.org wrote:
Eg, much as I normally respect Barry's intuitions, his proposal (to
remove costly tests, without reference to the possibility of missing
something important) is IMHO absolutely the wrong criterion. I don't
really
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:22 PM, Simon Cross
hodgestar+python...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
As an example of the last point, perhaps rather than modifying all the
*clients* of the socket module, it may make more sense to have tools
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote:
On 3/24/2011 4:25 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
As an example of the last point, perhaps rather than modifying all the
*clients* of the socket module, it may make more sense to have tools
in the socket module itself to
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Hi,
A commit hook prevented pushing changes to the cdecimal repository:
pushing to ssh://h...@hg.python.org/features/cdecimal
searching for changes
8 changesets found
remote: adding changesets
remote: adding manifests
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Victor Stinner
victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote:
Le vendredi 25 mars 2011 à 07:59 +0100, Martin v. Löwis a écrit :
Is there a bug somewhere, or do I misunderstood something important?
Module unloading is simply not implemented, and would be very difficult
Le vendredi 25 mars 2011 à 21:14 +1000, Nick Coghlan a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Victor Stinner
victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote:
Le vendredi 25 mars 2011 à 07:59 +0100, Martin v. Löwis a écrit :
Is there a bug somewhere, or do I misunderstood something important?
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:51 AM, raymond.hettinger
python-check...@python.org wrote:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/5adddc6be3c1
changeset: 68902:5adddc6be3c1
user: Raymond Hettinger pyt...@rcn.com
date: Thu Mar 24 10:51:06 2011 -0700
summary:
Remove test_importable().
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Victor Stinner
victor.stin...@haypocalc.com wrote:
And registering your cleanup function with atexit() isn't enough? Or
does that remove the handler too early?
atexit() is too late: when Python is embeded, Py_Finalize() may be
called a long time before the
Hello everyone:
I wanted to take a moment to outline another idea which came out of
PyCon 2011 this year from numerous sources - a Python Core Mentorship
Program predicated on the idea that Python-Core, and Python as a whole
would be served by further lowering the barrier to entry of
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
However, dnloop.patch is correct and must have CRLF line endings. How
can I disable the commit hook?
Don't disable the commit hook, update .hgeol to flag that file as
requiring CRLF line endings.
Thanks, that works well.
Stefan Krah
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
questions when you don't have to
Boggle.
Jesse I assume that means your in, or you hate that idea?
Or that he just really likes to play Boggle. :-)
S
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:12:19 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't disable the commit hook, update .hgeol to flag that file as
requiring CRLF line endings.
Note however that we discovered that the server side hook looks at the
.hgeol file in the *server's checkout*. I don't know
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:12 PM, R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:12:19 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't disable the commit hook, update .hgeol to flag that file as
requiring CRLF line endings.
Note however that we discovered that the
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
consulting with other core
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:10:08 +1000
Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com
wrote:
On 3/24/2011 4:25 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
As an example of the last point, perhaps rather than modifying all the
*clients* of the
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:04 AM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
The new list will also
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:12:53 -0400
R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote:
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:12:19 +1000, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
Don't disable the commit hook, update .hgeol to flag that file as
requiring CRLF line endings.
Note however that we discovered that the
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On 03/24/2011 10:51 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
If you are going to argue
for running some tests but not others after making changes, shouldn't
there be a notion of relevance involved? IMO the tests for modules
with dependents should include
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
I wanted to take a moment to outline another idea which came out of
PyCon 2011 this year from numerous sources - a Python Core Mentorship
Program predicated on the idea that Python-Core, and Python as a
On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone:
The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
questions when you don't have to worry about Google picking up your
words from a public archive.
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
My model for the suggestion is the context objects in the decimal
module. They offer a constrained way to affect the way the entire
decimal module goes about its business, and through judicious use of
thread local
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:12 PM, s...@pobox.com wrote:
Boggle.
Jesse I assume that means your in, or you hate that idea?
Or that he just really likes to play Boggle. :-)
Or that he's confused ?
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wiktionary/en/wiki/mindboggling
S
Hi,
I'm unable to figure out how to trigger a build of a feature branch, see:
http://www.python.org/dev/buildbot/all/builders/x86%20Ubuntu%20Shared%203.x/builds/3424
I saw this:
'Branch to build' is relative to http://svn.python.org/projects/python.
But if I leave out the branch, nothing
Hi,
Sounds like an excellent initiative! Kudos to the PSF and the
individuals involved. I don’t have time to take part right now, but I
wish a good start to the program.
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 15:30:37 +0100
Stefan Krah ste...@bytereef.org wrote:
Hi,
I'm unable to figure out how to trigger a build of a feature branch, see:
You cannot do that yet.
Regards
Antoine.
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Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
I'm unable to figure out how to trigger a build of a feature branch, see:
You cannot do that yet.
Ok, thanks.
Incidentally, I noticed that push messages with an issue number get
redirected to bugs.python.org. See the recent commit for #2650 here:
Le 25/03/2011 15:58, Stefan Krah a écrit :
Incidentally, I noticed that push messages with an issue number get
redirected to bugs.python.org. See the recent commit for #2650 here:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/
Is this really what everyone wants?
Having issues linked from commit
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:11:16 +0100
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote:
Le 25/03/2011 15:58, Stefan Krah a écrit :
Incidentally, I noticed that push messages with an issue number get
redirected to bugs.python.org. See the recent commit for #2650 here:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/
Le 25/03/2011 11:48, Victor Stinner a écrit :
I proposed to integrate Buildroot patches which are 12 patches to
improve cross-compilation and remove/disable some Python features:
http://bugs.python.org/issue11365
Roumen Petrov wrote All is duplicate on already posted patches . It is
not
I realized that python already has a way to access the string-based members
of a dict without using quotes:
def expect_a_chair(chair, **kw):
print Thanks. That chair is %s. % chair
if kw:
for key, val in kw.iteritems():
print I wasn't expecting the (%s) %s! % (val, key)
d =
On Mar 25, 2011, at 09:51 AM, Tres Seaver wrote:
That was precisely my proposal: when trying to check in changes to a
stdlib module, we required that developers ensure that the module's
tests, *and* those of its dependents, pass. We would need to add new
testing infrastructure to support this
On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:46:51 +0100
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote:
The most experienced core dev about those matters is Martin von Löwis;
other core devs who make reviews are Roumen Petrov and Gregory P. Smith
(who’s recently been removing his name from nosy fields).
I don't think
Again, please keep this thread on python-ideas. If people there agree
that this is a very common use case and find a syntax that is not ugly,
it will be time to come back to python-dev. Thanks.
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I don't think Roumen is a core developer (is he? I am not trying to
offend anyone).
My mistake. Roumen is a user who’s been commenting on a number of the
patches.
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Le jeudi 24 mars 2011 à 00:49 +0100, Victor Stinner a écrit :
If nobody complains, I plan to push my faulthandler module into Python
3.3 in one week. It's a module to display the Python backtrace on a
segfault, on a user signal or after a timeout.
I created a feature repo to prepare the work,
Hi,
changeset: 68921:11dc3f270594
user:Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org
date:Fri Mar 25 11:42:37 2011 +0100
summary:
Revert the Lib/test/test_bigmem.py changes from commit 17891566a478 (and a
few other assertEqual tests that snuck in), and expand the docstrings and
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On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 17:44:26 +0100
Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote:
Hi,
changeset: 68921:11dc3f270594
user:Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org
date:Fri Mar 25 11:42:37 2011 +0100
summary:
Revert the Lib/test/test_bigmem.py changes from commit 17891566a478 (and a
Am 25.03.2011 11:14, schrieb Victor Stinner:
Le vendredi 25 mars 2011 à 07:59 +0100, Martin v. Löwis a écrit :
Is there a bug somewhere, or do I misunderstood something important?
Module unloading is simply not implemented, and would be very difficult
to implement.
My problem is that if
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On 3/25/2011 6:12 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote:
Boggle.
Jesse I assume that means your in, or you hate that idea?
Or that he just really likes to play Boggle.:-)
I really like to play Boggle. It is even better with our local rules...
5x5 grid, 5 letter minimum word size, and 4
The main cpython repo.
2011/3/25 anatoly techtonik techto...@gmail.com:
Hi, Benjamin,
Is your repository for 2to3 is still actual?
http://svn.python.org/view/sandbox/trunk/2to3/
Which should I use to start hacking on 2to3?
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On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM, anatoly
Am 25.03.2011 10:24, schrieb Stefan Behnel:
Martin v. Löwis, 25.03.2011 07:59:
Is there a bug somewhere, or do I misunderstood something important?
Module unloading is simply not implemented, and would be very difficult
to implement.
Are you saying that because objects instantiated from a
rndblnch rndblnch at gmail.com writes:
Now that I have figured out how to use patch queues with bitbucket, I will
maintain greg's pep380 implementation as a patch on top of cpython here:
https://bitbucket.org/rndblnch/cpython-pep380/
snip
The patch is now visible here:
exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes:
On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
questions when you don't have to worry about Google picking up your
words from a
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 07:57:41 +1100
Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes:
On 12:03 pm, jnol...@gmail.com wrote:
The new list will also have a closed, members-only archive. After
consulting with other core developers, we believe it's easier to ask
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
If you don't want a specific party snooping the site, just block that
specific party. Why make a walled garden that *nobody* outside can look
into? That undermines the free exchange of information.
I think the point
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
If you don't want a specific party snooping the site, just block that
specific party. Why make a walled garden that *nobody* outside can look
into? That undermines the free exchange of information.
Surely a forum
Le 22/03/2011 22:47, Nick Coghlan a écrit :
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:53 PM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote:
You have to use one public repo per bug, as roundup will only use the
default branch to compute the diff. Maybe adding support for named
branches so that you can have one repo
Work has been started on that, thanks! Roundup should soon support the
workflow described in the devguide for feature work, which will be awesome.
Make sure to submit issues to the meta tracker, please.
I’ve tried to use a clone with a named branch for
http://bugs.python.org/issue5845 and
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
If you don't want a specific party snooping the site, just block that
specific party. Why make a walled garden that *nobody* outside can look
Make sure to submit issues to the meta tracker, please.
Right, I’ll do that. Since you have questions in this message, for now
I’ll continue here.
- The first patch was empty (note that the repo was not up to date).
This I don't understand. What repo was not up to date?
I mean that my
Le 09/03/2011 03:41, Guido van Rossum a écrit :
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:32 PM, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote:
I’m of the opinion that hg diffs should always use the extended git
format, given their usefulness. A tool working with hg diffs that does
not support this format is broken
Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org writes:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if
outsiders can be directed to existing discussions, without needing to
join the private club.
This
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
I propose to give it a rest. If you want to know what's going on
there, just subscribe, nobody will stop you (and if they did there are
plenty of public forums to complain).
I thought that's exactly what I was
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 5:55 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org writes:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if
outsiders can be directed
I mean that my linked repo didn’t have all changesets from
hg.python.org/cpython. I don’t think it should matter, but I don’t know
why the diff was empty, so I thought this information might help.
[...]
See http://bugs.python.org/file21398/c43e264256e4.diff : this
corresponds to a merge I
Jesse Noller jnol...@gmail.com writes:
In principle I agree with you
[…]
Thanks (truly!) for considering the feedback.
The only further comment I need to make is:
I want to error on the side of the closed list archives for now. In
several months, we all might realize it was a monumental
I see what happened: my revspec couldn't cope with the fact that you
branched fix5845 off rlcompleter-config.
Ah, I hadn’t thought of that. (I had to branch because of the former
issue with the hyphen; this is a pathological case.)
In any case, I have now changed the revspec to use Baptiste's
On 09.03.2011 06:44, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
IMO, it's hg diff --git that's broken, as it doesn't include the base
revision (other formats, such as hg export, do).
I asked about it on #mercurial. It turns out that not including the
base changeset id in the diff is an oversight, not a choice;
I see your point, but doesn't python-list already fill the role you indicate
may be diminished? Seems like the new list is meant to fill a different
need. Perhaps one concern would be over-use of the mentoring list when
someone would be fine with python-list. I just don't see people turning
Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com writes:
I see your point, but doesn't python-list already fill the role you
indicate may be diminished?
The audience of the proposed forum (AFAICT) is people who want to learn
enough to contribute to the Python core. So, no, they're different
roles.
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In a message of Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:14:02 -0400, Jesse Noller writes:
Ben,
In principle I agree with you - I would like open archives for the
specific reasons you cite, but I value the ability for people who may
not be comfortable with coming out and openly discussing things on a
list if they
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:18 AM, Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org wrote:
It ended up that Jim Fulton is actually writing the PEP (with input from
Twisted people and others.)
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In a message of Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:46:27 +1100, Ben Finney writes:
The audience of the proposed forum (AFAICT) is people who want to learn
enough to contribute to the Python core. So, no, they're different
roles.
The other side of the proposed forum is people who want to teach such
people.
I was kinda hoping that a private list would have much less noise, and would
serve the actual mentoring better. Maybe a mailing list isnt't the ideal
tool?
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On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Laura Creighton l...@openend.se wrote:
In a message of Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:14:02 -0400, Jesse Noller writes:
Ben,
In principle I agree with you - I would like open archives for the
specific reasons you cite, but I value the ability for people who may
not be
On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Tommy tommywol...@gmail.com wrote:
I was kinda hoping that a private list would have much less noise, and would
serve the actual mentoring better. Maybe a mailing list isnt't the ideal tool?
That is a hope I would like to see realized. I don't think we will be
On 3/25/2011 5:44 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:
The other side of the proposed forum is people who want to teach such
people. Many of them (and no doubt many of the learners) don't read
python-list due to its high volume.
Indeed. I see 76000+ unread messages on Python-list since I subscribed
So... start two mentoring groups, one open, one closed, and see which
one survives.
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com wrote:
So... start two mentoring groups, one open, one closed, and see which one
survives.
I'd rather not. I'd rather walk away from the idea entirely. In fact,
this entire thread is quickly becoming an example of why people
2011/3/25 Glenn Linderman v+pyt...@g.nevcal.com:
So... start two mentoring groups, one open, one closed, and see which one
survives.
This is all tangential to the actual point of this discussion: To help
people get involved! It's not a social experiment about mailing lists.
In fact, I think
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
One of the great things about a discussion forum open view for the
public is that, when a topic comes up again in a *different* forum, I
can easily point anyone to the existing discussion without requiring
that they
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 6:25 AM, rndblnch rndbl...@gmail.com wrote:
The raw path is visible there:
https://bitbucket.org/rndblnch/cpython-pep380/src/tip/pep380
and I have documented how to use it on the wiki:
https://bitbucket.org/rndblnch/cpython-pep380/wiki/
I will stop spamming python-dev
On 3/25/2011 8:23 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Ben Finneyben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
One of the great things about a discussion forum open view for the
public is that, when a topic comes up again in a *different* forum, I
can easily point anyone to the
On 3/25/2011 2:55 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Guido van Rossumgu...@python.org writes:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ben Finneyben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Surely a forum specifically for mentorship will be more useful if
outsiders can be directed to existing discussions, without needing
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
I disagree. The goal of mentorship is to help someone learn -- a subtle,
yet distinct, difference. I think a closed list will suit that purpose
better.
Keep in mind also that the list is *closed*, not *locked* --
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