[Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 3.12.0 release candidate 1 released

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[Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 3.12.0 beta 4 released

ython Software Foundation <https://www.python.org/psf-landing/>. Regards from the alternating thunderstorms and heat waves in Amsterdam, Thomas Wouters. Your release team, Ned Deily Steve Dower Łukasz Langa -- Thomas Wouters ___ Python-Dev

[Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 3.12.0 beta 3 released

rting our efforts by volunteering yourself or through organization contributions to the Python Software Foundation. Regards from a suddenly very stormy Amsterdam, Thomas Wouters Your release team, Ned Deily Steve Dower Łukasz Langa -- Thomas Wouters ___ Py

[Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 3.12.0 beta 1 released.

release Thanks to all of the many volunteers who help make Python Development and these releases possible! Please consider supporting our efforts by volunteering yourself or through organization contributions to the Python Software Foundation. Your release team, Thomas Wouters Ned Deily Steve Dower -- Thom

[Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 3.11.3, 3.10.11 and 3.12.0 alpha 7 released

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[Python-Dev] Python 3.12.0 alpha 6 released

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[Python-Dev] Python 3.12.0 alpha 4 released

yourself or through organization contributions to the Python Software Foundation. Regards from chilly Amsterdam, Your release team, Thomas Wouters Ned Deily Steve Dower -- Thomas Wouters ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To un

[Python-Dev] Python 3.12.0 alpha 2 released

ersonality, and for their reward, a > flattery, which is not true praise. Enjoy the new releases Thanks to all of the many volunteers who help make Python Development and these releases possible! Please consider supporting our efforts by volunteering yourself or through organizati

[Python-Dev] Python 3.12.0 alpha 1 released.

ware Foundation. Regards from dusky California, Your release team, Thomas Wouters @Yhg1s Ned Deily @nad Steve Dower @steve.dower -- Thomas Wouters ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@pyth

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 689 – Unstable C API tier (was: Semi-stable C API tier)

On Wed, May 4, 2022, 04:11 Petr Viktorin wrote: > > > On 29. 04. 22 19:02, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 10:15 AM Petr Viktorin > > wrote: > > > > On 29. 04. 22 16:32, Victor Stinner wrote: > > > Ok, let me start with the serious

[Python-Dev] Re: The Steering Council elections.

please consider who you would like to see on the SC. On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 1:40 PM Thomas Wouters wrote: > (Not sending this out as a SC member, just as myself.) > > Because we're half-way through the nomination period, I want to remind > people about the Steering Counc

[Python-Dev] The Steering Council elections.

en't gotten around to making the actual post yet.) Electably-y'rs, -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an emai

[Python-Dev] Type annotations, PEP 649 and PEP 563

don’t see the typing language as separate from Python (and thus won’t be blanket delegating typing PEPs to a separate authority), and we don’t see type annotations as purely for static analysis use. For the whole SC, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sendin

[Python-Dev] Re: Accepting PEP 654.

On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 12:06 AM Thomas Wouters wrote: > > Irit, Guido, Yuri, Nathaniel, > I do apologise for the typo in your name, Yury... somehow none of us caught it in our proofreading of the response :( I fixed it on Discourse with an edit, but email, alas... -- Thomas Wouters

[Python-Dev] Accepting PEP 654.

flat versus nested ExceptionGroups), and we do not want to discourage discussion on any of this. We do want to move forward with PEP 654 as-is in the meantime, in particular to get practical experience in the standard library. With thanks for all your hard work, For the whole SC, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi!

[Python-Dev] July Steering Council update.

and Pablo suggested we use it for the next virtual Sprint, which the group agrees with. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To un

[Python-Dev] A ban from Core Developer spaces.

it. At this point we need to have a larger discussion about the future of python-dev, but we want to handle that separately from this particular incident. We’ll think a bit more about what the options are, and start a separate discussion about it later this week. For the whole SC, Thomas. -- Thomas

[Python-Dev] Rejecting PEP 648

ow this PEP would benefit them. For the whole SC, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@pyth

[Python-Dev] May/June steering council updates.

- Group discussed enum.Enum repr and str changes in 3.10 & 3.11. It was decided that Barry will email python-dev@ and strongly suggest that we rollback to 3.9 behavior for 3.10 and write a new PEP for 3.11. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending

[Python-Dev] Re: March Steering Council update.

I forgot this time. The update was updated. > > Cross referencing is a little awkward when reading the summary on a phone > rather than a full computer. > > Cheers, > Nick. > > On Tue, 18 May 2021, 11:12 pm Thomas Wouters, wrote: > >> >> The SC has just

[Python-Dev] Re: IRC #python-dev channel is now on Libera Chat (bye bye Freenode)

chived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/SD7KLY2ID4H3BG7HPUZEHPEQGE26L724/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread!

[Python-Dev] Re: IRC #python-dev channel is now on Libera Chat (bye bye Freenode)

odeofconduct/ >> > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) > *Pronouns: he/him **(why is my pronoun here?)* > <http://feministing.com/2015/02/03/how-using-they-as-a-singular-pronoun-can-change-the-world/> >

[Python-Dev] March Steering Council update.

ues migration, to talk about status, progress and next steps, including keeping python-dev up to date. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@py

[Python-Dev] PEP 563 and Python 3.10.

, and a multi-faceted one at that. For the Steering Council, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 654: Exception Groups and except* [REPOST]

t this may come down to there just not being enough time before the feature freeze to make a thoughtful decision. For the SC, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailin

[Python-Dev] Steering Council Q.

to answer them some other way, like a blog post. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org

[Python-Dev] Accepting PEP 624 (Remove Py_UNICODE encoder APIs)

in a brief ‘porting’ section in the PEP instead. With the Python Steering Council's gratitude, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org

[Python-Dev] Accepting PEP 597 (Add optional EncodingWarning)

with a good upgrade path and with community support, but we do believe we need to make that decision sooner rather than later. With thanks from the whole Python Steering Council, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread

[Python-Dev] Rejecting PEP 637 (Support for indexing with keyword arguments)

Steering Council, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https

[Python-Dev] Re: New name for the development branch [was Steering Council update for February]

an't even claim to do it because it's the right thing. We're just going with the flow here. There is more value in using the conventional names, and the convention for the replacement of 'master' is clearly 'main'. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me

[Python-Dev] Steering Council update for January

30 minutes over. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org https://mail.python

[Python-Dev] Re: SC 2020 recommendation for PEP 634

s ( https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/thread/4SBR3J5IQUYE752KR7C6432HNBSYKC5X/) and in my nomination post ( https://discuss.python.org/t/steering-council-nomination-thomas-wouters-2021-term/5678 ). (If this makes people change their mind about the SC elections, keep in mind you can re-

[Python-Dev] Re: SC 2020 recommendation for PEP 634

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020, 22:34 Ethan Furman via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > On 12/7/20 11:29 AM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > After much deliberation, the 2020 SC will be making a recommendation to > the 2021 SC to accept PEP 634 (although this was > > not a unanimous decision). > >

[Python-Dev] Re: The semantics of pattern matching for Python

under a future import turned out to go away rather than become the default. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To unsubscribe send a

[Python-Dev] My thoughts on Pattern Matching.

to vote _for_ me -- the SC has a lot of other, important stuff on its plate, and you can disagree with me on any of them! -- but I want to be entirely clear on where I stand on this issue, lest people _regret_ voting for me because of it. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice bef

[Python-Dev] Re: Speeding up CPython

SC doesn't think we can fund this directly, even if we had the money available. For the SC, Thomas. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 642: Constraint Pattern Syntax for Structural Pattern Matching

ces the complexity of the language because it no longer uses the same syntax for disparate things. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org T

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 640: Unused variable syntax.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:44 PM Paul Moore wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 13:25, Thomas Wouters wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:22 PM Paul Moore wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 13:13, Thomas Wouters wrote: > >> > The reason fo

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 640: Unused variable syntax.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:22 PM Paul Moore wrote: > On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 13:13, Thomas Wouters wrote: > > The reason for this PEP is that pattern matching will make '_' (but not > any other names) have the behaviour suggested in this PEP, but *only* in > pattern matching. >

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 640: Unused variable syntax.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:02 PM Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 3:11 PM Thomas Wouters wrote: > >> PEP: 640 >> Title: Unused variable syntax >> Author: Thomas Wouters >> > ... > >> In Python it is somewhat common to need to do an

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 640: Unused variable syntax.

ev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/OPUUJWBCK37CQXOYIFYSUIXFQSWTTCCA/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to

[Python-Dev] PEP 640: Unused variable syntax.

matching using the same syntax is not also accepted. The benefit without pattern matching is real but small, and in my opinion it's not worth the added complexity. The PEP: PEP: 640 Title: Unused variable syntax Author: Thomas Wouters Status: Draft Type: Standards Track Content-Type: text/x-rst Created

[Python-Dev] Re: Modified parser does not seem to work. What am I doing wrong?

On Fri, 16 Oct 2020, 23:04 Stefano Borini, wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to implement PEP-637, and I started modifying the parser > and the grammar, but I don't know what I am missing. > > The PR is here > > >

[Python-Dev] Re: [python-committers] Re: Re: Resignation from Stefan Krah

the perceptions our actions and decisions and silence create for the individuals involved, the other core developers, and the Python community at large. We're also still figuring out the process and standards we want to set for this kind of thing, because it is fairly new to the core developer community. --

[Python-Dev] Re: [python-committers] Resignation from Stefan Krah

rg/archives/list/python-committ...@python.org/message/ZIAN7ERZNF4ZE2B2SLYNRPVNERNACG5A/ > Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ P

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 620: Hide implementation details from the C API

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[Python-Dev] Re: [Python-ideas] Re: Amend PEP-8 to require clear, understandable comments instead of Strunk & White Standard English comments

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:36 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote: > It needs to be pointed out that Thomas Wouters was recently re-elected > to the PSF board. I think we need to know whether Thomas speaks for the > entire PSF board.Giampaolo feared this: > > "It's gonna happen ag

[Python-Dev] Re: Lists placed into Emergency Moderation status

python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/LZVR6SLZN4LCGD4SC4BCVHKMUH6GKA6D/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! __

[Python-Dev] Re: [Python-ideas] Re: Amend PEP-8 to require clear, understandable comments instead of Strunk & White Standard English comments

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[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 620: Hide implementation details from the C API

n wouldn't allocate their objects anyway, just the Python objects wrapping theirs. Allocating CPython objects should be CPython's job. FWIW, I suspect the biggest problem with getting rid of tp_new/tp_free is code that does *more* than just allocate in those functions, only because the authors didn't

[Python-Dev] Re: Question about bytecode stability

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020, 06:30 Brandt Bucher, wrote: > > The best way to look at this is to consider how long a .pyc file is > valid. They're currently named something like > __pycache__/modulename.cpython-38.pyc which is a fairly clear indication > that the cached compiled module should be valid for

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 617: New PEG parser for CPython

that the actions are cross-language, or translated to Python somehow, or is the support for generating a Python-based parser merely for debugging, as that action suggests? -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread

[Python-Dev] Re: Request to postpone some Python 3.9 incompatible changes to Python 3.10

an email to python-dev-le...@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/CHMOFONIBAACIW5A5SNHLTV6A5BEQXYT/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofcond

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP proposal to limit various aspects of a Python program to one million.

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[Python-Dev] Re: Deprecating the "u" string literal prefix

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 6:37 PM Victor Stinner wrote: > Le mer. 4 déc. 2019 à 14:49, Thomas Wouters a écrit : > >> (...) > >> It's very different if an incompatible change break 1% or 90% of > >> Python projects. > > > > Unfortunately there is a distinc

[Python-Dev] Re: Deprecating the "u" string literal prefix

/mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ > Message archived at > https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/XJ7PF3GIA7HCENHB7CM7BSGSAZ3SWAOT/ > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email vi

[Python-Dev] Nominations for the 2019 Steering Council Election are open until Friday.

es/list/python-committ...@python.org/message/ZJ4V2KPFE6DJO4GONP7YV2QCHBM6UUY7/ Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ P

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 587 (Python Initialization Configuration) updated to be future proof again

> fail... :-( > > I really dislike this solution. What will happen when we will add > > another field to the structure, like a new PyMem_Aligned() (similar to > > posix_memalign()) function? PyMem_Aligned() can be implementation on > > top of an existing memory allocator

[Python-Dev] Re: obmalloc (was Have a big machine and spare time? Here's a possible Python bug.)

ing a lot of third-party extension modules, but I don't see an easy way to do it right now. -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org To u

[Python-Dev] Accepting PEP 587 (Python Initialization Configuration)

of PEP 432 lands) but it's a giant boon to those of us who embed Python :) -- Thomas Wouters Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] Have a big machine and spare time? Here's a possible Python bug.

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Re: [Python-Dev] RFC: PEP 587 "Python Initialization Configuration": 3rd version

t last week: with Hermetic Python's meta-importers we have an ancillary regular import hook for correctly dealing with packages with modified __path__, so that for example 'xml' from the embedded stdlib zip can still import '_xmlplus' from the filesystem or a separate zip, and append its __path__

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 573 -- Module State Access from C Extension Methods

dules to switch from using heap type Exception classes to immutable ones, > and a number of modules will be switched in the initial implementation. > This change will prevent adding class attributes to such types. > For example, the following will raise AttributeError:: > > sqlite.Op

Re: [Python-Dev] The untuned tunable parameter ARENA_SIZE

ython-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ > thomas%40python.org > > -- Thomas Wouters <tho...@python.org> Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice bef

Re: [Python-Dev] Investigating Python memory footprint of one real Web application

ares static memory footprint. > > > > Maybe, sharing some tuples which code object has may increase cache > efficiency. > > I'll try run pyperformance with the marshal patch. > > IIRC Thomas Wouters (?) has been working on a patch to move the ref > counter out of the PyObject

Re: [Python-Dev] Question about sys.path and sys.argv and how packaging (may) affects default values

site-packages or dist-packages, and instead should use distutils one way or another (if not by having an actual setup.py that uses distutils or setuptools, then at least by querying distutils for the installation directory the way python-config does). > > Many thanks for your time and poi

Re: [Python-Dev] Keeping competitive with Go (was Re: Computed Goto dispatch for Python 2)

is for Python to get: * The ability to import .so modules via zipzimport (ideally without a temporary directory, but that might require newer APIs from libc and such). +1 - Thomas Wouters mentioned at the language summit some work being done on glibc to add dlopen_from_memory() (sp?) which would

Re: [Python-Dev] libffi embedded in CPython

, really good idea to clean up that mess if we're not going to bundle libffi anymore :-P Screaming-and-stabbing-at-setup.py'ly y'rs, -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 448 review

with the PEP and with the final decision. -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev

Re: [Python-Dev] Request for Pronouncement: PEP 441 - Improving Python ZIP Application Support

@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/thomas%40python.org -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 441 - Improving Python ZIP Application Support

is released. It requires some fairly big changes to zipimport (I ended up rewriting the whole thing) but we can easily opensource the code, if there's any interest at all. I'd be happy to discuss this in more detail at PyCon, at which time we should be deploying code internally using all of this. -- Thomas

Re: [Python-Dev] Why are generated files in the repository?

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Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3.5 on VC14 - update

believe almost all of that is from speedups to the main eval loop, which is a huge switch in a bigger loop with complicated jump logic. It wouldn't surprise me if VS's PGO only decided to optimize that eval loop :) -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before

Re: [Python-Dev] ref leaks

removed :) -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] Language Summit notes

://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/thomas%40python.org -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 465: A dedicated infix operator for matrix multiplication

On Apr 8, 2014 2:39 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2014 21:24, Björn Lindqvist bjou...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-04-08 12:23 GMT+02:00 Sturla Molden sturla.mol...@gmail.com: Björn Lindqvist bjou...@gmail.com wrote: import numpy as np from numpy.linalg import inv,

Re: [Python-Dev] collections.sortedtree

. -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 461: Adding % formatting to bytes and bytearray -- Final, Take 3

this come up in the earlier discussions? -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

provide good guidance on how to write portable, secure software using the tools provided, say in a new chapter in the library docs -- and it shouldn't be afraid to suggest third-party modules if they are a much better solution :) -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice

Re: [Python-Dev] Intricacies of calling __eq__

implementation -- and so we would be banned from ever changing the details of the dict type. Absurd. -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] unittest assertRaisesRegex bug?

'search'. -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions

live with that. -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org wrote: All in all I believe I will continue to prefer specific methods for specific use-cases; I'm -0 on the idea of an except-expression, -0 on the syntax

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions

that can be part of a normal expression ;-P [ Cue people suggesting the use of 'expr1 except expr2: expr4 '... ] -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions

On Feb 23, 2014 7:52 PM, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Chris Angelico, 21.02.2014 04:15: Just as PEP 308 introduced a means of value-based conditions in an expression, this system allows exception-based conditions to be used as part of an expression. [...] This currently

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions

wouldn't have that effect without parentheses. (FWIW, I have a working patch without tests that allows all of these, I'll upload it tonight so people can play with it. Oh, and FWIW, currently I'm +0 on the idea, -0 on the specific syntax.) -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 463: Exception-catching expressions

On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:08 AM, Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org wrote: (FWIW, I have a working patch without tests that allows all of these, I'll upload it tonight so people can play with it. Oh, and FWIW, currently I'm +0 on the idea, -0 on the specific syntax.) http://bugs.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Why does PEP 8 advise against explicit relative imports?

a package *without* changing its name (by adding the right directory, without __init__.py, to sys.path) and that has worked out a lot better for us. Even so, there's no reason for *the standard library* to use explicit relative imports, and that's what PEP 8 is supposed to cover, right? :) -- Thomas

Re: [Python-Dev] add new lambda syntax

of vararglist you need into testlist_comp, then reject invalid syntax that matches the grammar (like (x=expr for ...) or ((x+1)=expr) or (*foo=1)) in the compiler. Something like (untested): testlist_comp: (test|star_expr) ['=' test]( comp_for | (',' (test|star_expr) ['=' test])* [','] ) -- Thomas

Re: [Python-Dev] stat module in C -- what to do with stat.py?

a .py file instead of requiring it to be part of the interpreter (whichever that is, however it was built), it should be generated as part of the build process. Personally, I don't see the value in it; other implementations will need to do *something* special to use it anyway. -- Thomas Wouters

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Add reference implementation for PEP 443

and atexit during interpreter startup. I'm wondering if that's really necessary :) -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] cpython: Issue #17931: Resolve confusion on Windows between pids and process handles.

by the PEP 443 implementation, see my message to python-dev. -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Mysterious Python pyc file corruption problems

-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/thomas%40python.org -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm an email virus! Think twice before sending your email to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev

Re: [Python-Dev] backporting the _sysconfigdata.py module to 2.7

this is a good idea ;) -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe

Re: [Python-Dev] IDLE in the stdlib

realize that if IDLE languishes again, python-dev is *still* on the hook for it, even in the separate repository. I don't know if excluding it from the source tarball gains us anything on top of that -- although I do think we should move 'idlelib' out of the standard library :) -- Thomas Wouters tho

Re: [Python-Dev] Some joker is trying to unsubscribe me

to CC you on all messages? I'm sure it could be arranged : -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread! ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: [Python-Dev] Docs of weak stdlib modules should encourage exploration of 3rd-party alternatives

link, but whatever page that is got hit 960K times in February. GroupURL/doc/* Documentation So it's anything that's in www.python.org/doc/. I don't believe it counts doc.python.org and docs.python.org. -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me

Re: [Python-Dev] Zipping the standard library.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 22:16, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org wrote: (And, yes, I'm zipping up the stdlib for Python 2.7 at Google, to reduce the impact on the aforementioned million of machines :) You might want

Re: [Python-Dev] Zipping the standard library.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 14:08, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org wrote: Thanks for the suggestions (Antoine too), but that's not really the topic I want to discuss here (but if you guys move to Google I'll happily

[Python-Dev] Zipping the standard library.

of course. (And, yes, I'm zipping up the stdlib for Python 2.7 at Google, to reduce the impact on the aforementioned million of machines :) -- Thomas Wouters tho...@python.org Hi! I'm a .signature virus! copy me into your .signature file to help me spread

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