Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-27 Thread Alexander Walters
Theoretically yes. Practically, I think, but do not know for sure, it would have the same annoying issues as other SDK builds (of which, the most annoying is just different paths for the tools). Making that a supported build would require some of the same effort as supporting any other

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-27 Thread Alexander Walters
The 9 gig initial download is not the only problem. Visual studio is very bandwidth hungry in day to day operations (between polling websites and vcs remotes, near constant updating, integration with the VS web service, etc.). You can of course shut all of that off, but it's a pain. It's my

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-27 Thread Franklin? Lee
For this particular case, is there someone generous enough (or, can someone apply for a PSF grant) to ship Mathieu a DVD/two/flash drive? On Feb 26, 2016 12:18 PM, "Mathieu Dupuy" wrote: > Hi. > I am currently working on adding some functionality on a standard > library

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-27 Thread Giampaolo Rodola'
On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Alexander Walters wrote: > No. > > Visual Studio is a solid compiler suit, mingw is a jenky mess, especially > when you try and move to 64bit (where I don't think there is one true > version of mingw). I'm sorry that Visual Studio makes

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Andrew Barnert via Python-Dev
One alternative to consider is using Cygwin. A complete Cygwin environment, including a GCC toolchain, is pretty small. And it can build a *nix-style CPython that works inside the Cygwin environment. That may not be sufficient for a lot of uses, but for your purpose, it should be. Another

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Feb 26, 2016 9:56 AM, "Alexander Walters" wrote: > > No. > > Visual Studio is a solid compiler suit, mingw is a jenky mess, especially when you try and move to 64bit (where I don't think there is one true version of mingw). I see why you say this, but I think you're

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Andy Ray Terrel
You might be interested in a project funded by NumFOCUS + PSF to make the mingw ecosystem work with CPython. http://mingwpy.github.io/ -- Andy On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 12:24 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:05:19 -0800, Dan Stromberg

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread R. David Murray
On Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:05:19 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote: > But what do you really think? > > IMO, windows builds probably should do both visual studio and mingw. > That is, there probably should be two builds on windows, since there's > no clear consensus about which to use.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Alexander Walters
You mean honestly pointing out what would happen with a suggestion? It is a horrifically bad idea. I didn't say they were bad people. On 2/26/2016 13:14, Brian Curtin wrote: The attitude in these responses is counter productive and not really how it works on this list. On Fri, Feb 26, 2016

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Steve Dower
Hi Mathieu I just want to say that we are very aware of the concerns and issues faced here and people (including myself) are actively working to resolve them. For example, I am working with the Visual C++ team to encourage and support work such as

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Alexander Walters
Ok, fine. Bring a windows build bot online. And also take on the support burden of guiding people to which version of which compiler you use for each of the currently supported python versions. And go ahead and write the pep to change how wheel distributions work (which will effectively

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Dan Stromberg
But what do you really think? IMO, windows builds probably should do both visual studio and mingw. That is, there probably should be two builds on windows, since there's no clear consensus about which to use. I certainly prefer mingw over visual studio - and I have adequate bandwidth for either.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Alexander Walters
No. Visual Studio is a solid compiler suit, mingw is a jenky mess, especially when you try and move to 64bit (where I don't think there is one true version of mingw). I'm sorry that Visual Studio makes it very hard for you to contribute, but changing THE compiler of the distribution from

[Python-Dev] Python should be easily compilable on Windows with MinGW

2016-02-26 Thread Mathieu Dupuy
Hi. I am currently working on adding some functionality on a standard library module (http://bugs.python.org/issue15873). The Python part went fine, but now I have to do the C counterpart, and I have ran into in several problems, which, stacked up, are a huge obstacle to easily contribute further.