On 02.05.2012 15:37, Matt Joiner wrote:
On May 2, 2012 6:00 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net
mailto:solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
On Wed, 02 May 2012 01:43:32 -0700
Larry Hastings la...@hastings.org mailto:la...@hastings.org wrote:
I realize we can't jump to C99 because of A
I realize we can't jump to C99 because of A Certain Compiler. (Its name
rhymes with Bike Row Soft Frizz You All See Muss Muss.) But even that
compiler added this extension in the early 90s.
No, it didn't. The MSVC version that we currently use (VS 2008) still
doesn't support it.
Regards,
The What's New document also starts with a long list of PEPs.
This seems to be the standard format as What's New for 3.2 follows the
same layout.
Perhaps adding an overview or highlights at the start would be a good
idea.
You seem to assume that Python users are not able to grasp long itemized
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
The What's New document also starts with a long list of PEPs.
This seems to be the standard format as What's New for 3.2 follows the
same layout.
Perhaps adding an overview or highlights at the start would be a good
idea.
You seem to assume that Python users are not
Any such summary prose will be written by the What's New author
(Raymond Hettinger for the 3.x series). Such text definitely *won't*
be written until after feature freeze (which occurs with the first
beta, currently planned for late June).
Until that time, the draft What's New is primarily rough
On 05/07/2012 11:00 AM, Mark Shannon wrote:
Martin v. Löwis wrote:
The What's New document also starts with a long list of PEPs.
This seems to be the standard format as What's New for 3.2 follows the
same layout.
Perhaps adding an overview or highlights at the start would be a good
idea.
3) Symlink the interpreter rather than copying. I include this here for
the sake of completeness, but it's already been rejected due to
significant problems on older Windows' and OS X.
That sounds the right solution to me. PEP 405 specifies that bin/python3
exists, but not that it is the actual
A while back I pointed out that there's no easy PEP 3115 compliant way
to dynamically create a class (finding the right metaclass, calling
__prepare__, etc).
I initially proposed providing this as operator.build_class, and
Daniel Urban created a patch that implements that API
On 7 May, 2012, at 11:52, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
3) Symlink the interpreter rather than copying. I include this here for
the sake of completeness, but it's already been rejected due to
significant problems on older Windows' and OS X.
That sounds the right solution to me. PEP 405 specifies
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:08 PM, victor.stinner
python-check...@python.org wrote:
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/ab500b297900
changeset: 76821:ab500b297900
user: Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com
date: Mon May 07 13:02:44 2012 +0200
summary:
Issue #14716: Change
On 05/07/2012 01:10 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
A while back I pointed out that there's no easy PEP 3115 compliant way
to dynamically create a class (finding the right metaclass, calling
__prepare__, etc).
I initially proposed providing this as operator.build_class, and
Daniel Urban created a
2012/5/7 Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com:
A while back I pointed out that there's no easy PEP 3115 compliant way
to dynamically create a class (finding the right metaclass, calling
__prepare__, etc).
I initially proposed providing this as operator.build_class, and
Daniel Urban created a
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
will almost always be one less than a power of 2 and powers of 2 are
always congruent to 1, 2 or 4 modulo 5, we're safe.
Bah. That should have read 1, 2, 3 or 4 modulo 5.
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On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
As for build_class: at the moment the types module really only has types,
and to add build_class there is just about as weird as in operator IMO.
Oh no, types is definitely less weird - at least it's related to the
type
On 05/07/2012 02:15 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
As for build_class: at the moment the types module really only has types,
and to add build_class there is just about as weird as in operator IMO.
Oh no, types is definitely less
On 05/07/2012 02:15 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Benjamin's suggestion of a class method on type may be a good one,
though. Then the invocation (using all arguments) would be:
mcl.build_class(name, bases, keywords, exec_body)
Works for me, so unless someone else can see a problem I've missed,
On 05/07/2012 04:26 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
On 7 May, 2012, at 11:52, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
3) Symlink the interpreter rather than copying. I include this
here for the sake of completeness, but it's already been rejected
due to significant problems on older Windows' and OS X.
That sounds
07.05.12 14:35, Mark Dickinson написав(ла):
Hmm. Very clever, but it's not obvious that that overflow check is
mathematically sound.
My fault. Overflow will be at PY_SSIZE_T_MAX congruent to 4 modulo 5
(which is impossible if PY_SSIZE_T_MAX is one less than a power of 2).
Mathematically
07.05.12 18:48, Serhiy Storchaka написав(ла):
My fault.
However, it's not my fault. I suggested `newlen (PY_SSIZE_T_MAX -
PY_SSIZE_T_MAX / 5)` and not `newlen = (PY_SSIZE_T_MAX - PY_SSIZE_T_MAX
/ 5)`. In this case, there is no overflow.
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On 05/07/2012 03:52 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
3) Symlink the interpreter rather than copying. I include this here for
the sake of completeness, but it's already been rejected due to
significant problems on older Windows' and OS X.
That sounds the right solution to me. PEP 405 specifies that
On Mon, 7 May 2012 12:35:27 +0100
Mark Dickinson dicki...@gmail.com wrote:
Hmm. Very clever, but it's not obvious that that overflow check is
mathematically sound. As it turns out, the maths works provided that
PY_SSIZE_T_MAX isn't congruent to 4 modulo 5; since PY_SSIZE_T_MAX
will almost
Hello,
http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/
I took care of the formalities.
I am not sure how to proceed further. Would python-dev want me to draft a PEP?
Regards,
--stefan
PS: Personally, I am not a 100pct convinced that having a PEP is a
good thing in this case, as it makes a perfectly
Hello,
I guess a long time ago, threading support in operating systems wasn't
very widespread, but these days all our supported platforms have it.
Is it still useful for production purposes to configure
--without-threads? Do people use this option for something else than
curiosity of mind?
On 05/07/2012 09:23 PM, stefan brunthaler wrote:
Hello,
http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/
I took care of the formalities.
I am not sure how to proceed further. Would python-dev want me to draft a PEP?
Regards,
--stefan
PS: Personally, I am not a 100pct convinced that having a PEP
I use up-to-date Debian testing (wheezy), amd64 architecture. I compiled
and installed Python 3.3.0 alpha 3 using altinstall. Debian wheezy comes
with python3.2 (and 2.6 and 2.7). I installed the Debian package
python3-bs4 (BeautifulSoup). I also downloaded a clone developmental
copy of 3.3.
The bin/python3 executable in a framework is a small stub that
execv's the real interpreter that is stuffed in a Python.app bundle
inside the Python framework. That's done to ensure that GUI code can
work from the command-line, Apple's GUI framework refuse to work when
the executable is not in an
I use up-to-date Debian testing (wheezy), amd64 architecture. I compiled
and installed Python 3.3.0 alpha 3 using altinstall. Debian wheezy comes
with python3.2 (and 2.6 and 2.7). I installed the Debian package
python3-bs4 (BeautifulSoup4 for Python3). I also downloaded a clone
developmental
On 07.05.2012 18:35, Carl Meyer wrote:
On 05/07/2012 03:52 AM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
3) Symlink the interpreter rather than copying. I include this here for
the sake of completeness, but it's already been rejected due to
significant problems on older Windows' and OS X.
That sounds the right
On 07.05.2012 21:23, stefan brunthaler wrote:
Hello,
http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/
I took care of the formalities.
I am not sure how to proceed further. Would python-dev want me to draft a PEP?
Submit a patch to the bug tracker, against default's head.
Regards,
Martin
Hello,
On Mon, 07 May 2012 16:42:50 -0400
Edward C. Jones edcjo...@comcast.net wrote:
I use up-to-date Debian testing (wheezy), amd64 architecture. I compiled
and installed Python 3.3.0 alpha 3 using altinstall. Debian wheezy comes
with python3.2 (and 2.6 and 2.7). I installed the Debian
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 04:42:50PM -0400, Edward C. Jones
edcjo...@comcast.net wrote:
I use up-to-date Debian testing (wheezy), amd64 architecture. I compiled
and installed Python 3.3.0 alpha 3 using altinstall. Debian wheezy comes
with python3.2 (and 2.6 and 2.7). I installed the Debian
Ronald Oussoren ronaldoussoren at mac.com writes:
Because of this trick pyvenv won't know which executable the user actually
called and hence cannot find the pyvenv configuration file (which is next to
the stub executable).
Ah, but the stub has been changed to set an environment variable,
On May 07, 2012, at 04:42 PM, Edward C. Jones wrote:
I use up-to-date Debian testing (wheezy), amd64 architecture. I compiled
and installed Python 3.3.0 alpha 3 using altinstall. Debian wheezy comes
with python3.2 (and 2.6 and 2.7). I installed the Debian package
python3-bs4 (BeautifulSoup4
I think you'll find that we don't keep a lot of things secret about CPython
and its implementation.
Yeah, I agree that this is in principal a good thing and what makes
CPython ideally suited for research. However, my optimizations make
use of unused opcodes, which might be used in the future by
However, it's not my fault. I suggested `newlen (PY_SSIZE_T_MAX -
PY_SSIZE_T_MAX / 5)` and not `newlen = (PY_SSIZE_T_MAX - PY_SSIZE_T_MAX /
5)`. In this case, there is no overflow.
Oh. I didn't understand why you replaced = by , and so I used =.
Anyway, I reverted the change for all reasons
On 7 May 2012 21:55, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
This sounds to me like a level of complexity unwarranted by the severity
of the problem, especially when considering the additional burden it
imposes on alternative Python implementations.
OTOH, it *significantly* reduces the
I guess a long time ago, threading support in operating systems wasn't
very widespread, but these days all our supported platforms have it.
Is it still useful for production purposes to configure
--without-threads? Do people use this option for something else than
curiosity of mind?
At work,
Nick Coghlan wrote:
Instead, I'm now thinking we should add a _types C extension module
and expose the new function as types.build_class(). I don't want to
add an entire new module just for this feature, and the types module
seems like an appropriate home for it.
Dunno. Currently the only
Mark Dickinson wrote:
Is the gain from this kind of micro-optimization really worth the cost
of replacing obviously correct code with code whose correctness needs
several minutes of thought?
The original code isn't all that obviously correct to me either.
I would need convincing that the
For those suggesting the operator module is actually a good choice, there's
no way to add this function without making major changes to the module
description (go read it - I only realised the problem when I went to add
the docs). It's a bad fit (*much* worse than types or a class method)
--
Sent
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Georg Brandl g.bra...@gmx.net wrote:
As for build_class: at the moment the types module really only has types,
and to add build_class there is just about as weird as in operator IMO.
Oh no,
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Hrvoje Niksic hrvoje.nik...@avl.com wrote:
On 05/07/2012 02:15 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
Benjamin's suggestion of a class method on type may be a good one,
though. Then the invocation (using all arguments) would be:
mcl.build_class(name, bases, keywords,
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