Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-25 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 24 Apr, 2010, at 18:15, Michael Foord wrote: On 18/04/2010 15:13, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 14 Apr, 2010, at 23:37, Michael Foord wrote: On 14/04/2010 23:32, Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-24 Thread Michael Foord
On 18/04/2010 15:13, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 14 Apr, 2010, at 23:37, Michael Foord wrote: On 14/04/2010 23:32, Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-24 Thread David Bolen
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: 10.6.3 and yes I have Tcl and Tk in /Library/Frameworks. How do I determine which versions they are? You can use info patchlevel in tclsh - assuming you're running a tclsh linked to your /Library version (a normal Tcl install puts this in

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-24 Thread Michael Foord
On 24/04/2010 21:34, David Bolen wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: 10.6.3 and yes I have Tcl and Tk in /Library/Frameworks. How do I determine which versions they are? You can use info patchlevel in tclsh - assuming you're running a tclsh linked to your /Library

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-24 Thread David Bolen
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: Hmmm... looks like a 32 / 64 bit issue, which I believe may be the expected result when trying to build on Snow Leopard (?). I think so - I haven't tried a 64-bit build myself, but there's a comment in setup.py indicating that none of the Tcl/Tk

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-24 Thread Michael Foord
On 24/04/2010 21:50, David Bolen wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: Hmmm... looks like a 32 / 64 bit issue, which I believe may be the expected result when trying to build on Snow Leopard (?). I think so - I haven't tried a 64-bit build myself, but there's a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-24 Thread Michael Foord
On 24/04/2010 22:16, Michael Foord wrote: On 24/04/2010 21:50, David Bolen wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk writes: Hmmm... looks like a 32 / 64 bit issue, which I believe may be the expected result when trying to build on Snow Leopard (?). I think so - I haven't tried a 64-bit

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 14 Apr, 2010, at 23:37, Michael Foord wrote: On 14/04/2010 23:32, Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are part of a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 15 Apr, 2010, at 0:12, Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: On Apr 14, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I think you just need to supply to configure MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.4 and have the appropriate SDK installed with Xcode. Wouldn't that break 10.3 compatibility (seel below)?

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 15 Apr, 2010, at 6:36, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are part of a Python release - is not a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-18 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 15 Apr, 2010, at 6:36, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are part of a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-18 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 18 Apr, 2010, at 17:17, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 15 Apr, 2010, at 6:36, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-18 Thread David Bolen
Ronald Oussoren ronaldousso...@mac.com writes: On 18 Apr, 2010, at 17:17, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Ronald Oussoren wrote: That *is* trivial: use Mac/BuildScript/build-installer.py on OSX 10.5. Hmm. When I tried it (on some 2.5 release), it took me two days until it produced something.

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4bc697d2.4020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4bc63599.5020...@voidspace.org.uk, Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: A build on my machine produces output similar to: Python build finished, but the necessary bits to build these modules were not found: _bsddb third-party (Sleepycat) library needed (see the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4bc61278.7020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Ned Deily wrote: That *is* something that the PSF could help with. I would be happy to help with that myself, although my time to do so will be very limited for the next few weeks. The PSF still has a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Michael Foord
Whilst making Python easier to build on the Mac is certainly a worthy goal, the point of my post was to demonstrate (in reply to an email by Greg Ewing) *why* building a *full* Python from source was non-trivial. I personally only build Python from source to test changes to core-Python and am

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread skip
Ned Any idea what type of machine it is and where it is currently Ned located? I seem to recall it is/was a G4 XServe. My guess as to location would be at xs4all.nl. Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
What's non-trivial about it? Building a DMG file, in a way that the output will actually work on most other systems. As Ronald pointed out, the installer build script does all of the dirty work of building the install disk image (the .dmg file), including downloading and building

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Ned Deily wrote: In article 4bc61278.7020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Ned Deily wrote: That *is* something that the PSF could help with. I would be happy to help with that myself, although my time to do so will be very limited for the next few weeks. The

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Ned Deily
In article 19399.11323.946604.992...@montanaro.dyndns.org, s...@pobox.com wrote: Ned Any idea what type of machine it is and where it is currently Ned located? I seem to recall it is/was a G4 XServe. My guess as to location would be at xs4all.nl. If it were working that could be

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Martin v. Löwis
If it were working that could be of use. It would not be able to run OS X 10.6 but having a 10.5 system PPC system as a buildbot would certainly be useful; it should be fine for the default installer configuration builds. (Alas, I don't expect to be anywhere in the vicinity in the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Brett Cannon
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 04:41, Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 4bc697d2.4020...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then,

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Building the Mac installer requires volunteer time which I'm not sure that more hardware will fix - compiling a full build of Python for Mac OS X (with all the Python modules like Tkinter etc) requires expertise which only

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-15 Thread Steve Holden
Bill Janssen wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: [..] It would take even more expertise to capture the remaining pieces in the script, too, and no living person has that much expertise to write the script (perhaps there are one or two people, and they don't have the time).

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Paul Rudin
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: The major difference in the do it yourself attitude is that Mac user get a compiler for free, as part of the operating system release, whereas for Windows, they have to pay for it (leaving alone VS Express for the moment). JOOI why ignore the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Ned Deily
In article 4bc54f4f.4090...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Wasn't that problem fixed weeks ago? The installer image has been available there since several days after the release. And the link seems fine now. The inherent problem remains. There is no binary

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 07:11, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Because of lack of volunteers, and expertise (i.e. the experts lack time). That doesn't explain why we leave a broken link in place when we do major releases - for

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 06:13, Ned Deily wrote: In articlehq3e52$8o...@dough.gmane.org, Steve Holdenst...@holdenweb.com wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why isn't the creation of the build a part of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 07:17, Steve Holden wrote: [snip...] In a wider sense of to support, MacOS is certainly supported by Python. There is everything in the source code that you need to make Python run on a Mac. Just download the sources and compile them yourself. And yet we don't regard the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin v. Löwis wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why isn't the creation of the build a part of the release

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Paul Moore
On 14 April 2010 07:37, Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: The major difference in the do it yourself attitude is that Mac user get a compiler for free, as part of the operating system release, whereas for Windows, they have to pay for it (leaving

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Michael Foord wrote: The problem is the process that creates a new release with a 404 link to the Mac installer with no explanation. The 2.6.5 release (as always) caused several requests to webmaster from Mac users unable to download Python - which is a further

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 13:46, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:56 AM, Michael Foord wrote: The problem is the process that creates a new release with a 404 link to the Mac installer with no explanation. The 2.6.5 release (as always) caused several requests to webmaster from Mac users

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 14, 2010, at 02:45 PM, Michael Foord wrote: Can we amend that to having some placeholder text saying that the Mac installer is not yet available and a link to the previous available version please. That can then be replaced with the normal link once the Mac installer is uploaded. You

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 06:33:03AM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin v. L?wis wrote: Tres Seaver wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 13:58, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Apr 14, 2010, at 02:45 PM, Michael Foord wrote: Can we amend that to having some placeholder text saying that the Mac installer is not yet available and a link to the previous available version please. That can then be replaced with the normal

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 07:36:25AM +0200, Martin v. L?wis wrote: In a wider sense of to support, MacOS is certainly supported by Python. There is everything in the source code that you need to make Python run on a Mac. Just download the sources and compile them yourself. And yet we don't

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 14, 2010, at 06:39 AM, C. Titus Brown wrote: Separately, I'd be happy to put forward a proposal to the PSF to fund RMs and their lieutenants with a Mac or a PC, whichever they needed to keep things moving. It's the least we can do, IMO, and hardware is just not that expensive compared to

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
Michael Foord wrote: Yes, I mean on the release page. The issue is that the download links on the sidebar / front page go straight to the latest release page. If there isn't yet a Mac installer available, and no alternative link to get the previous version, it leaves Mac users with no obvious

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Bill Janssen
Ned Deily n...@acm.org wrote: In article 4bc54f4f.4090...@v.loewis.de, Martin v. Lowis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Wasn't that problem fixed weeks ago? The installer image has been available there since several days after the release. And the link seems fine now. The inherent

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Bill Janssen
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Building the Mac installer requires volunteer time which I'm not sure that more hardware will fix - compiling a full build of Python for Mac OS X (with all the Python modules like Tkinter etc) requires expertise which only a few people have.

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 17:36, Bill Janssen wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Building the Mac installer requires volunteer time which I'm not sure that more hardware will fix - compiling a full build of Python for Mac OS X (with all the Python modules like Tkinter etc) requires

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread skip
Steve Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind Steve others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why Steve isn't the creation of the build a part of the release process? Steve Clearly it's not a priority given that nobody has seen fit to (or

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread skip
Steve I do think it makes us look bad to have one supported platform Steve lag the others, but it wasn't obvious to me whether hardware Steve alone was the reason. If it is, the fix should be relatively Steve simple. I can't believe it's a hardware issue. Probably half the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 17:41, Michael Foord wrote: [snip...] A Mac OS X machine (and location to keep it) for the buildbots is a *big* need however. At least two. You want Leopard and Snow Leopard, too. Well - an XServe that we can run virtualisation on would be the *ideal* solution. I think the X

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Apr 14, 2010, at 10:51 AM, s...@pobox.com wrote: Steve Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind Steve others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why Steve isn't the creation of the build a part of the release process? Steve Clearly it's not

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread skip
Michael Mac users definitely *do* expect installers. Building Python Michael requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be Michael installed. XCode is free, and I suspect many people have it (I do). Michael Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 18:01, s...@pobox.com wrote: Michael Mac users definitely *do* expect installers. Building Python Michael requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be Michael installed. XCode is free, and I suspect many people have it (I do). Sure - but probably

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Paul Moore
On 14 April 2010 17:04, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote: From the RM perspective, what I would really like to see is updates to the release.py script to check dependencies and automate as much as possible, as well as updates to PEP 101 for any process steps that can't be automated. This

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Bill Janssen
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Isn't that just a matter of having the recipe written down somewhere? Yes, that would be nice. :-) Preferably a recipe that doesn't involve Macports or Fink which some of us are allergic to. Yes, ditto the MacPorts/Fink allergy. All we

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Trent Nelson
What happened to the big-ass computer farm for Python which was being put together by someone at (I think) Michigan State? That sounds a lot like Snakebite (www.snakebite.org), which is still... uhhh, a work in progress ;-) We've run into an issue recently that's thwarted progress, but that'll

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Steve Holden
Bill Janssen wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Isn't that just a matter of having the recipe written down somewhere? Yes, that would be nice. :-) Preferably a recipe that doesn't involve Macports or Fink which some of us are allergic to. Yes, ditto the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 18:49, Steve Holden wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Isn't that just a matter of having the recipe written down somewhere? Yes, that would be nice. :-) Preferably a recipe that doesn't involve Macports or Fink which

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 09:37:34AM -0700, Bill Janssen wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Isn't that just a matter of having the recipe written down somewhere? Yes, that would be nice. :-) Preferably a recipe that doesn't involve Macports or Fink which some

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread C. Titus Brown
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 06:52:46PM +0200, Michael Foord wrote: On 14/04/2010 18:49, Steve Holden wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Isn't that just a matter of having the recipe written down somewhere? Yes, that would be nice.

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Trent Nelson
What happened to the big-ass computer farm for Python which was being put together by someone at (I think) Michigan State? That sounds a lot like Snakebite (www.snakebite.org), which is still... uhhh, a work in progress ;-) Actually, for those that are interested, here's a copy of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Bill Janssen
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: On 14/04/2010 18:49, Steve Holden wrote: Bill Janssen wrote: Michael Foordfuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Isn't that just a matter of having the recipe written down somewhere? Yes, that would be nice. :-)

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Steve Holden
Michael Foord wrote: On 14/04/2010 06:13, Ned Deily wrote: In articlehq3e52$8o...@dough.gmane.org, Steve Holdenst...@holdenweb.com wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why isn't the creation of

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 19:25, Steve Holden wrote: Michael Foord wrote: On 14/04/2010 06:13, Ned Deily wrote: In articlehq3e52$8o...@dough.gmane.org, Steve Holdenst...@holdenweb.com wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Sure - but probably not your average Python-on-Mac user. Or at least a good proportion of them, particularly newbies who we are keen to keep the experience of obtaining Python simple. First download and then install 1gigabyte of developer tools (seriously) requiring registration, then compile

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
C. Titus Brown wrote: If Georg, Benjamin, Martin, or Ronald are interested, please just tell me (or Steve, or the PSF board, or ...) what you want and I'll work on getting it funded. For me, my company provides all the infrastructure I need (tools, bandwidth, hardware, etc). I agreed, in

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Paul Rudin wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: The major difference in the do it yourself attitude is that Mac user get a compiler for free, as part of the operating system release, whereas for Windows, they have to pay for it (leaving alone VS Express for the moment). JOOI

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Ned Deily wrote: That *is* something that the PSF could help with. I would be happy to help with that myself, although my time to do so will be very limited for the next few weeks. The PSF still has a machine that was donated by Apple that once used to be a build slave. Unfortunately, that

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I'd be happy to help where I can, too. All my automated testing of UpLib (Windows, Ubuntu, Fedora, OS X) is done on Apple servers running OS X and VirtualBox and Hudson, so I've got some experience there. Would you be interested in operating a build slave? Regards, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Building the Mac installer requires volunteer time which I'm not sure that more hardware will fix - compiling a full build of Python for Mac OS X (with all the Python modules like Tkinter etc) requires expertise which only a few people have.

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
How about as a first step the release build process include a check for broken links before committing the web content for a new release? You'd have to convince the release manager to add a step to the release process. Given that the release process has already too many steps, he is probably

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
From what I recall, the PC build process is pretty much routine (I can't recall how much it's scripted, and how much it's manual, but well-documented and simple, steps). I don't know what extra is needed to build the final installer, but I'd be willing to have a go at testing the existing

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 20:21, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Mac users definitely *do* expect installers. Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are part of a Python release - is not a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Right - but we were discussing this in the context of barrier to entry, particularly to new users. We don't impose this requirement for Windows users though - we provide binary installers. I *know* we're a volunteer organisation (etc), but it is good for us to be aware of our process

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 21:37, Martin v. Löwis wrote: [snip...] Unfortunately the Mac installer build script doesn't seem to run at all on Mac OS X 10.6 (at least not on my machine), but hopefully the situation is clarified so that one of us who does still have Mac OS X 10.5 will be able to build the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I'm not sure whether 10.5 would be sufficient - it may be that you need to go back to 10.4 (*). I think you just need to supply to configure MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.4 and have the appropriate SDK installed with Xcode. I

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Brian Curtin
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 14:03, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Paul Rudin wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: The major difference in the do it yourself attitude is that Mac user get a compiler for free, as part of the operating system release, whereas for

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
I think you just need to supply to configure MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.4 and have the appropriate SDK installed with Xcode. Wouldn't that break 10.3 compatibility (seel below)? Unfortunately, Apple manages to break compatibility and portability with every release, which makes this

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread R. David Murray
On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:06:44 -0400, Eric Smith e...@trueblade.com wrote: Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote: I spent some considerable effort last year ensuring the developer community was well-supplied with MS developer licenses that give access to any necessary tools. Was I wasting my

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Bill Janssen
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: I'd be happy to help where I can, too. All my automated testing of UpLib (Windows, Ubuntu, Fedora, OS X) is done on Apple servers running OS X and VirtualBox and Hudson, so I've got some experience there. Would you be interested in operating a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Bill Janssen
Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote: Michael Foord fuzzy...@voidspace.org.uk wrote: Building the Mac installer requires volunteer time which I'm not sure that more hardware will fix - compiling a full build of Python for Mac OS X (with all the Python modules like Tkinter etc)

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Greg Ewing
Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are part of a Python release - is not a trivial task. What's non-trivial about it? I usually find that the

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Michael Foord
On 14/04/2010 23:32, Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are part of a Python release - is not a trivial task. What's

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Paul Rudin
Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com writes: On 14 April 2010 07:37, Paul Rudin p...@rudin.co.uk wrote: Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de writes: The major difference in the do it yourself attitude is that Mac user get a compiler for free, as part of the operating system release, whereas for

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Nick Coghlan
Martin v. Löwis wrote: The same is true for any other operating system, though: you need to install the compiler tool chain (sometimes, you need to buy it first), and compiling Python with all extensions is not a trivial task. Even on Linux, it takes a bit of fiddling. I finally remembered to

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Paul Moore
On 14 April 2010 18:36, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote: I spent some considerable effort last year ensuring the developer community was well-supplied with MS developer licenses that give access to any necessary tools. Was I wasting my time? Definitely not - my offer is at least in part

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Zvezdan Petkovic
On Apr 14, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote: I think you just need to supply to configure MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET=10.4 and have the appropriate SDK installed with Xcode. Wouldn't that break 10.3 compatibility (seel below)? I was replying to your point about 10.4 build.

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-14 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Greg Ewing wrote: Michael Foord wrote: Building Python requires, I believe, the XCode development tools to be installed. Even then, building a full version of Python - with *all* the C extensions that are part of a Python release - is not a trivial task. What's non-trivial about it?

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Steve Holden
Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why isn't the creation of the build a part of the release process? Clearly it's not a priority given that nobody has seen fit to (or had time to) reply to this mail in three

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Steve Holden
Tres Seaver wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why isn't the creation of the build a part of the release process? Clearly it's not a priority given that nobody has seen fit to (or

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Ned Deily
In article hq3e52$8o...@dough.gmane.org, Steve Holden st...@holdenweb.com wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why isn't the creation of the build a part of the release process? Clearly it's not a

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Because of lack of volunteers, and expertise (i.e. the experts lack time). Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? We aren't. Strictly speaking, we (python-dev) support nothing (in the sense that we can promise a support

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Tres Seaver wrote: Steve Holden wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? If we are, why isn't the creation of the build a part of the release process? Clearly it's not a priority given that nobody has seen fit to (or

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
Wasn't that problem fixed weeks ago? The installer image has been available there since several days after the release. And the link seems fine now. The inherent problem remains. There is no binary for 2.7b1, for example. The last binaries produced in the 2.7 testing process were for

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Steve Holden
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Why is it unavoidable that the Mac build will languish behind others? Because of lack of volunteers, and expertise (i.e. the experts lack time). Are we supporting MacOs or aren't we? We aren't. Strictly speaking, we (python-dev) support nothing (in the sense that

Re: [Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-04-13 Thread Martin v. Löwis
In a wider sense of to support, MacOS is certainly supported by Python. There is everything in the source code that you need to make Python run on a Mac. Just download the sources and compile them yourself. And yet we don't regard the Windows release as complete until you have built the

[Python-Dev] Fwd: Broken link to download (Mac OS X)

2010-03-21 Thread webmaster
Hey all, This seems to happen whenever we do a new release (we've had a couple of emails to webmas...@python.org about it since 2.6.5 was released). The main download page for Python has a broken link for the Mac installer (because it hasn't been built yet I assume):