Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-27 Thread wxjmfauth
Le lundi 26 mai 2014 01:09:31 UTC+2, Mark Lawrence a écrit : On 25/05/2014 23:22, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:34:59 -0700, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us declaimed the following: On 05/25/2014 10:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread wxjmfauth
Le dimanche 25 mai 2014 02:27:11 UTC+2, Terry Reedy a écrit : On 5/24/2014 3:49 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Few people have Python 3 as an objective. What I'm saying is that if Python 3 had something everybody wants and nothing else provides, the people will come, even the legacy

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward - suds Python 3

2014-05-25 Thread Jurko Gospodnetić
Hi Roy. On 24.5.2014. 1:57, Roy Smith wrote: You need 19 projects to transition to Python 3. Of those 19 projects, 17 have no direct dependencies blocking their transition: [...snipped...] suds That's a big list. A few of those we could probably work around or replace with a different

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Stefan Behnel
Roy Smith, 24.05.2014 01:57: I installed and ran caniusepython3. It tells me: Finding and checking dependencies ... [WARNING] rpclib not found You need 19 projects to transition to Python 3. Of those 19 projects, 17 have no direct dependencies blocking their transition: beanstalkc

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Ethan Furman
On 05/24/2014 11:43 PM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Python and unicode: a buggy hobbyist toy. Voilà. Nothing either good or bad. I thought this was a moderated list. What exactly are the moderators doing? -- ~Ethan~ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: On 05/24/2014 11:43 PM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Python and unicode: a buggy hobbyist toy. Voilà. Nothing either good or bad. I thought this was a moderated list. What exactly are the moderators doing? It's not a

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 25/05/2014 16:21, Ethan Furman wrote: On 05/24/2014 11:43 PM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Python and unicode: a buggy hobbyist toy. Voilà. Nothing either good or bad. I thought this was a moderated list. What exactly are the moderators doing? -- ~Ethan~ I don't think the list is

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Rustom Mody
On Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:51:18 PM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote: On 05/24/2014 11:43 PM, jmf wrote: Python and unicode: a buggy hobbyist toy. Voil�. Nothing either good or bad. I thought this was a moderated list. What exactly are the moderators doing? Your unicode is mojibaked

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.10285.1401009964.18130.python-l...@python.org, Stefan Behnel stefan...@behnel.de wrote: Ubuntu provides a (partial) Py3 port of boto. As long as the part that's ported includes all the bits of boto we currently need, plus all the bits of boto we haven't yet discovered we

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 25 May 2014 10:38:42 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: On Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:51:18 PM UTC+5:30, Ethan Furman wrote: On 05/24/2014 11:43 PM, jmf wrote: Python and unicode: a buggy hobbyist toy. Voil�. Nothing either good or bad. I thought this was a moderated list. What exactly

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Tim Chase
On 2014-05-25 18:17, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2014 10:38:42 -0700, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked Ethan! Voil�. You are hereby banished to a lonely island with python 1.5 and jmf for company :D Nope, it's you. Ethan's post is fine. He correctly quotes JMF

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Ethan Furman
On 05/25/2014 10:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked Ethan! Voil�. You are hereby banished to a lonely island with python 1.5 and jmf for company :D 1.5 I could live with. :( Surely the company would count as cruel and unusual punishment? -- ~Ethan~ --

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 25/05/2014 19:34, Ethan Furman wrote: On 05/25/2014 10:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked Ethan! Voil�. You are hereby banished to a lonely island with python 1.5 and jmf for company :D 1.5 I could live with. :( Surely the company would count as cruel and unusual

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Ethan Furman
On 05/25/2014 11:56 AM, Tim Chase wrote: Thunderbird does offer the ability to change default character encodings (Edit - Preferences - Display - Formatting tab - Advanced...) for sending and receiving, but you have to go out of your way to change them to something like UTF-8. On the same

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 25/05/2014 23:22, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:34:59 -0700, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us declaimed the following: On 05/25/2014 10:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked Ethan! Voil�. You are hereby banished to a lonely island with python 1.5 and jmf

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 8:22 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:34:59 -0700, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us declaimed the following: On 05/25/2014 10:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked Ethan! Voil�. You are hereby banished to a

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Ethan Furman
On 05/25/2014 03:22 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:34:59 -0700, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us declaimed the following: On 05/25/2014 10:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked Ethan! Voilà. You are hereby banished to a lonely island with python 1.5 and jmf

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/25/2014 6:20 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: the mailing list and gmane group may have some spam filters in place but no real moderation. They *do* have spam, structure, and source filters. Please do not mis-inform people that they post most anything to python-list without consequence.

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 25 May 2014 18:22:11 Dennis Lee Bieber did opine And Gene did reply: On Sun, 25 May 2014 11:34:59 -0700, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us declaimed the following: On 05/25/2014 10:38 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: Your unicode is mojibaked Ethan! Voilï؟½. You are hereby banished to a

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread wxjmfauth
Le vendredi 23 mai 2014 22:16:10 UTC+2, Mark Lawrence a écrit : An article by Brett Cannon that I thought might be of interest http://nothingbutsnark.svbtle.com/my-view-on-the-current-state-of-python-3 -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread blindanagram
On 24/05/2014 08:13, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Le vendredi 23 mai 2014 22:16:10 UTC+2, Mark Lawrence a écrit : An article by Brett Cannon that I thought might be of interest http://nothingbutsnark.svbtle.com/my-view-on-the-current-state-of-python-3 -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
blindanagram no...@nowhere.net: Quote: And with Python 3.4 I really have not heard anyone complain that they wouldn't like to use Python 3 instead of Python 2. Or the devs do not wish to listen. Python 3 will never work. It works for me. Instead of focusing on bringing legacy

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Rustom Mody
On Saturday, May 24, 2014 3:29:01 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Instead of focusing on bringing legacy libraries to Python3 (for which there never seems to be a critical need), Python3 needs a brand new killer module/application/library that is only available on Python3. I think

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2014-05-24, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Python 3 will never work. Neither will color TV. All that phase detection stuff and that shadow-mask thing? And airplanes? Bah! Completely ridiculous. -- Grant -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Devin Jeanpierre
On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Marko Rauhamaa ma...@pacujo.net wrote: blindanagram no...@nowhere.net: Instead of focusing on bringing legacy libraries to Python3 (for which there never seems to be a critical need), Python3 needs a brand new killer module/application/library that is only

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Travis Griggs
Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2014, at 7:35, blindanagram no...@nowhere.net wrote: On 24/05/2014 08:13, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: Le vendredi 23 mai 2014 22:16:10 UTC+2, Mark Lawrence a écrit : An article by Brett Cannon that I thought might be of interest

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Ethan Furman
On 05/24/2014 09:03 AM, Devin Jeanpierre wrote: On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Instead of focusing on bringing legacy libraries to Python3 (for which there never seems to be a critical need), Python3 needs a brand new killer module/application/library that is only

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Stefan Behnel
Devin Jeanpierre, 24.05.2014 18:03: On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: blindanagram: Instead of focusing on bringing legacy libraries to Python3 (for which there never seems to be a critical need), Python3 needs a brand new killer module/application/library that is only

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Marko Rauhamaa
Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com: If you want to migrate to Python 3, help that library forward, rather than trying to make some bespoke replacement you think will be a killer app. Few people have Python 3 as an objective. What I'm saying is that if Python 3 had something everybody

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 24/05/2014 20:49, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Devin Jeanpierre jeanpierr...@gmail.com: If you want to migrate to Python 3, help that library forward, rather than trying to make some bespoke replacement you think will be a killer app. Few people have Python 3 as an objective. What I'm saying is

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-24 Thread Terry Reedy
On 5/24/2014 3:49 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Few people have Python 3 as an objective. What I'm saying is that if Python 3 had something everybody wants and nothing else provides, the people will come, even the legacy libraries will be ported then. I cannot think of anything beyond the core

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-23 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.10254.1400876180.18130.python-l...@python.org, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: An article by Brett Cannon that I thought might be of interest http://nothingbutsnark.svbtle.com/my-view-on-the-current-state-of-python-3 Thanks for the pointer. I installed and

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-23 Thread Ethan Furman
On 05/23/2014 04:57 PM, Roy Smith wrote: Thanks for the pointer. I installed and ran caniusepython3. It tells me: [snip] That's a big list. A few of those we could probably work around or replace with a different module without too much pain. But, between gevent, boto, fabric, and suds,

Re: How keep Python 3 moving forward

2014-05-23 Thread Roy Smith
In article mailman.10260.1400892736.18130.python-l...@python.org, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote: On 05/23/2014 04:57 PM, Roy Smith wrote: Thanks for the pointer. I installed and ran caniusepython3. It tells me: [snip] That's a big list. A few of those we could probably