On 07-04-14 07:10, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Restricting the usage of Python's flexibility does not make it another
language. It makes it the actual language that the vast majority of
programs are written in and that people assume when reading code.
That's incorrect. If len were a keyword, and
On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 20:33:31 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
I have another question for y'all, is a function (particularly a
generator) a noun or a verb?
Mu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28negative%29#.22Unasking.22_the_question
Nouns and verbs are concepts from a completely
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 7:03:31 AM UTC+5:30, Mark H. Harris wrote:
I have another question for y'all, is a function (particularly a
generator) a noun or a verb? Does a function (or generator) 'do'
something (based on name and parms) or does it 'return' something based
on name and
On 8/04/2014 6:21 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Functions which are intended to return a value may be named as verbs:
[...]
or as nouns:
int
Shorthand for 'integerise'.
str
'stringify'
dict
'dictionarate'
coordinate
array
These are both verbs.
...I'll get me coat.
--
On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 10:39 AM, alex23 wuwe...@gmail.com wrote:
int
Shorthand for 'integerise'.
Not at all. Integrate. It's a vital mathematical operation, that's
why you always get a number back.
... I'll get my coat, too.
ChrisA
--
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Mon, 07 Apr 2014 07:54:27 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:10:47 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
It is academic because the author, Raymond Smullyan, was a professor
of philosophy and, more importantly, my professor
On 4/6/14 12:31 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
I think python wins because it (usually) lets people do their thing
(includes but not limited to CS-research)
and gets out of the way. To say therefore that it is irrelevant to the
research is a strange inversion of its advantages.
I think so too. I
On 2014-04-08 02:33, Mark H Harris wrote:
On 4/6/14 12:31 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
I think python wins because it (usually) lets people do their thing
(includes but not limited to CS-research)
and gets out of the way. To say therefore that it is irrelevant to the
research is a strange inversion
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
Does a function (or generator) 'do' something (based on name and parms) or
does it 'return' something based on name and parms?
If it has no side effects, then it does something, where the
'something' is returning a
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Every programming language is interesting from a comp sci standpoint.
Some are more useful for research; python is one of those.
For what reasons do you disagree?
marcus
--
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Really ?
It is of little or no
interest to computer scientists involved in the mathematics of
computation,
... you mean no one except me, then ?
or compiler-theory, or type-theory, or any of
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Really ?
It is of little or no
interest to computer scientists involved in the mathematics of
computation,
... you mean no one except me, then ?
or compiler-theory, or type-theory, or any of
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com:
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Every programming language is interesting from a comp sci standpoint.
Some are more useful for research; python is one of those.
For what reasons do you disagree?
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:05:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com:
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Every programming language is interesting from a comp sci standpoint.
Some are more useful for research;
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
(4) This is the category which I was referring to when I said that Python
wasn't a computer-science-ey language: do people use Python for
research into language-independent fundamental principles of
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 10:22:21 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:05:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Mark H Harris :
On 4/4/14 4:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Python is not a computer-science-ey language.
Every programming language is interesting from a comp
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
However consider that some of the things that people did around 40 years
ago and do today
- use FORTRAN for numerical/simulation work -- now use scipy/sage etc
- NLP with Lisp/Prolog -- look at Nltk
- ??? with Data
On 06/04/2014 18:27, Chris Angelico wrote:
(plus, why on earth can't they afford a few more forks in the
interests of hygiene??!?).
They couldn't get the purchase order for these capital cost items past
the accountants.
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 06/04/2014 18:27, Chris Angelico wrote:
(plus, why on earth can't they afford a few more forks in the
interests of hygiene??!?).
They couldn't get the purchase order for these capital cost items past the
On Sunday, April 6, 2014 11:24:15 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:31 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
However consider that some of the things that people did around 40 years
ago and do today
- use FORTRAN for numerical/simulation work -- now use scipy/sage etc
- NLP
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the diff between cvs/svn and git just one vcs or another?
The theory of version control, or source control, or whatever you want
to call it, can be found in some of the docs for those systems (git
goes into some depth
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:05:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Python, BTW, is perfectly suitable for computer science.
I don't think it is. Python is not a pure functional language, so it's
very difficult to prove anything about the code
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com:
* unfaithful husbands on an island ruled by female logicians
I don't know that one.
Me neither, although I can see elements of classic logic analysis
elements. Islands ruled by logicians, people who always tell the truth
/ always tell exact falsehoods,
On 06/04/2014 21:10, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Many classic CS ideas are expressed in terms of an Algol-like language.
Nothing would prevent you from framing those ideas in a Python-like
(pseudo)language. The question is mostly whether you prefer begin/end,
braces or indentation.
Of course
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:10:47 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:05:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Python, BTW, is perfectly suitable for computer science.
I don't think it is. Python is not a pure functional language,
On 4/6/2014 7:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:10:47 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:05:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Python, BTW, is perfectly suitable for computer science.
I don't think it
On Monday, April 7, 2014 6:15:47 AM UTC+5:30, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 4/6/2014 7:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:10:47 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Steven D'Aprano :
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:05:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Python, BTW, is perfectly suitable for
On Monday, April 7, 2014 12:16:54 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 4:13 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Using Python at the design stage would be what Steven's talking about
- actually using it to build the theory of programming. I have about
as much experience in the area
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:10:47 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
It is academic because the author, Raymond Smullyan, was a professor
of philosophy and, more importantly, my professor selected that as a
textbook for us graduate students.
Ah.
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 20:45:47 -0400, Terry Reedy wrote:
On 4/6/2014 7:48 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 23:10:47 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info:
On Sun, 06 Apr 2014 12:05:16 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Python, BTW, is
Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info:
That's why optimizers like PyPy generally produce code like this:
if some guard condition is true:
run fast optimized branch
else:
fall back on standard Python
There you go! You are using Python-esque syntax to communicate a CS
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote:
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes:
I would suggest that the more prolific posters are going to be those
who use Python more (and thus it's worth investing more time in),
which is going to skew the post stats
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com writes:
On 4/5/14 12:02 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
A fork is undesirable because it fragments the community. I don't
think fear or panic are the right words for it.
Yes. I get that.
So, you get that “fear” and “panic” are not the right words to
On 4/5/14 1:01 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com writes:
On 4/5/14 12:02 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
A fork is undesirable because it fragments the community. I don't
think fear or panic are the right words for it.
Yes. I get that.
So, you get that “fear” and “panic”
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 11:27:08 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Ben Finney wrote:
Without actual data - which neither of us has on this matter - all of
these hypotheses are unfounded speculation. Let's not draw any
conclusions in the absence of
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/5/14 1:01 AM, Ben Finney wrote:
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com writes:
On 4/5/14 12:02 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
A fork is undesirable because it fragments the community. I don't
think fear or panic are the
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Rustom Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote:
Professionalism implies at bottom that a client is God even if
he is being an asshole.
Not really :) Sometimes, your employer or client just has to go jump.
Professionalism implies that you treat your client at least as
On Sat, 05 Apr 2014 00:02:58 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
Having said that, I do believe that the migration to C python3 has
been too conservative.
Why? Is it a race? Does Python 2.x turn into PHP at midnight?
Some people think the move to Python 3 has been too radical and too fast
for
On 4/5/2014 6:19 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Oh, I dare say that when the core developers finally announce Python 2.7
is end-of-lifed, probably in another five or so years,
Bug fixing will end in May/June 2015 with 2.7.8, maybe 2.7.9. It will
probably start tapering off before that on the
In article 533fd894$0$29993$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com,
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
Twisted has apparently said they cannot migrate to 3.x. They might, I
suppose, take up maintenance of Python 2.7. But I doubt it. I expect
that when push comes to
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 09:43:15 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
While I am interested in seeing a Decimal literal syntax in Python, and
I would support a shift to have 1.2 evaluate as a Decimal (but not
soon - it'd break backward compat *hugely*)
I used to think the same thing, but have since
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
py x = Decimal(0.77787516)
py y = Decimal(0.77787518)
py (x + y) / 2
Decimal('0.77787515')
I've changed my mind about Python using Decimal as the default numeric
type. I think
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
py from decimal import *
py getcontext().prec = 16
py x = Decimal(0.77787516)
py y = Decimal(0.77787518)
py (x + y) / 2
Decimal('0.77787515')
Guido, why can't Python do
On 04/04/2014 03:29, Mark H Harris wrote:
Now, about Python2. It has not died. It appears to be 'useful'.
The perceived reality is that Python2 is 'useful'. Or, is it as I
perceive it, python2 is embedded in so many places that it must be
maintained for a long time because so many
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:38:13 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
On 4/1/14 5:33 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
hi Terry, hope you are well today, despite gmane difficulties;
If you narrowly meant The python interpreter only starting using
unicode as the default text class in 3.0, then you are, in
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 02:13:13 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
py from decimal import *
py getcontext().prec = 16
py x = Decimal(0.77787516) py y =
Decimal(0.77787518) py (x + y) / 2
On Friday, April 4, 2014 3:23:31 PM UTC+5:30, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:38:13 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
On 4/1/14 5:33 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
hi Terry, hope you are well today, despite gmane difficulties;
If you narrowly meant The python interpreter only
On 4/4/2014 5:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 11:38:13 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
On 4/1/14 5:33 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
If you narrowly meant The python interpreter only starting using
unicode as the default text class in 3.0, then you are, in that narrow
sense, correct.
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 02:13:13 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
py from decimal import *
py getcontext().prec = 16
py
On 4/4/14 3:20 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 04/04/2014 03:29, Mark H Harris wrote:
Now, about Python2. It has not died. It appears to be 'useful'.
{snip}
For a lot of people, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
hi Mark, yes that's my point. I have heard rumors of python2.8? At some
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/4/14 3:20 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 04/04/2014 03:29, Mark H Harris wrote:
Now, about Python2. It has not died. It appears to be 'useful'.
{snip}
For a lot of people, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
On 04/04/2014 21:58, Mark H Harris wrote:
On 4/4/14 3:20 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 04/04/2014 03:29, Mark H Harris wrote:
Now, about Python2. It has not died. It appears to be 'useful'.
{snip}
For a lot of people, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
hi Mark, yes that's my point. I
On 4/4/14 4:50 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
You could answer all of the above for yourself if you were to use your
favourite search engine.
hi Mark, yeah, condescending as that is, been there done that.
See this link as just one example:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/4/14 4:50 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
You could answer all of the above for yourself if you were to use your
favourite search engine.
hi Mark, yeah, condescending as that is, been there done that.
Its always
On 4/4/14 5:39 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Yes, because python-list responses are *so* much more reliable than
official statements on python.org,
{/sarcasm off}
... from some responders. The discussion following such posts is also
*much* more valuable, too. IMHO
Python.org is the political
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/4/14 5:39 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
Yes, because python-list responses are *so* much more reliable than
official statements on python.org,
{/sarcasm off}
... from some responders. The discussion following such
On 04/04/2014 23:52, Mark H Harris wrote:
As Ian points out, you can't expect a complete migration on the PSF
schedule (2-3), because of the fear|panic of a fork. So,
comp.lang.python is the best place to find out where the Cpython
community is, and where they expect to go (for that
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 15:58:29 -0500, Mark H Harris wrote:
Oh, I have another serious question about implementations. I'm not sure
about (50) implementations,
Here's a list. Which ones you count as actual implementations of Python
and which are not may be a matter of opinion. (Do translators
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 11:01:48 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 4:08 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Fri, 04 Apr 2014 02:13:13 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote:
As I said, some of these may be abandoned, obsolete, experimental, or
even vapourware. Some are probably just ports of CPython to another
platform rather than completely independent implementations.
On 4/4/2014 6:07 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
On 4/4/14 4:50 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
You could answer all of the above for yourself if you were to use your
favourite search engine.
hi Mark, yeah, condescending as that is, been there done that.
Since there *are* people who use python-list as a
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I am a core developer and I am 99.99% sure that the core developers will not
produce a CPython 2.8. For one thing we will likely do instead, see
http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0466/
There's also been talk of a potential
On Saturday, April 5, 2014 2:28:29 AM UTC+5:30, Mark H. Harris wrote:
hi Mark, yes that's my point. I have heard rumors of python2.8? At some
point I would expect that the Cpython interpreter would 'freeze' and no
one would fix it any longer. I have a serious question, namely, why does
the
On 4/4/2014 11:22 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I am a core developer and I am 99.99% sure that the core developers will not
produce a CPython 2.8. For one thing we will likely do instead, see
On 4/4/14 6:16 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Fear/panic of a fork, where did that come from? It's certainly the
first I've ever heard of it.
hi Mark, it came from Ian; or, my interpretation of Ian. It comes out on
the net too (from various places). Here is Ian's quote, then my comment:
On 4/4/14 10:04 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
I am a core developer and I am 99.99% sure that the core developers will
not produce a CPython 2.8. For one thing we will likely do instead, see
http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0466/
Thanks Terry. The back-port sounds great; I find the Rejected
On 4/4/14 7:00 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Berp, Brython, CLPython, CPython, CapPython, ChinesePython, Compyler,
Copperhead, Cython, HoPe, HotPy, IronPython, Jython, Kivy, Mypy, Mython,
Nuitka, Numba, Parakeet, Parallel Python, Perthon, Pippy, Psyco, Py4A,
PyMite, PyMT, PyPad, PyPy, PyQNX, PyVM,
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
we don't want folks to be driven away from Cpython as a language, and we
don't want them to fork the Cpython interpreter, so we'll take a very casual
and methodically conservative approach to nudging people towards a
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
Its has always seemed to me that Java or C++ would be better suited to
creating python. I wonder will C always be the standard canonical PSF python
interpreter base language? Has the C python community considered
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4/4/14 6:16 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Fear/panic of a fork, where did that come from? It's certainly the
first I've ever heard of it.
hi Mark, it came from Ian; or, my interpretation of Ian. It comes out on the
On 4/4/14 10:42 PM, Rustom Mody wrote:
Computer-hobbyists and computer-professionals are quite different sets of
people.
I know its just a gut feel, and I know there are a lot of lurkers
here too, but it seems that there are *way* more folks from the
professional camp on comp.lang.python
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
we don't want folks to be driven away from Cpython as a language, and we
don't want them to fork the Cpython interpreter, so we'll take a very
On 4/4/14 11:40 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
If it's too much work to make the changes to move something from
Python 2.7 to Python 3.3, it's *definitely* too much work to rewrite
it in a different language.
Totally, no doubt.
There would have to be some strong other
reason for shifting,
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
I know its just a gut feel, and I know there are a lot of lurkers here
too, but it seems that there are *way* more folks from the professional camp
on comp.lang.python than otherwise. Do you have a gut feel for the %
On 4/4/14 11:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
Its has always seemed to me that Java or C++ would be better suited to
creating python. I wonder will C always be the standard canonical PSF python
interpreter base language?
Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com writes:
I would suggest that the more prolific posters are going to be those
who use Python more (and thus it's worth investing more time in),
which is going to skew the post stats towards the professional end of
the spectrum.
It's also plausible that the more
On 4/5/14 12:02 AM, Ian Kelly wrote:
A fork is undesirable because it fragments the community. I don't
think fear or panic are the right words for it.
Yes. I get that. I think what is desired (just thinking out loud
from my own vantage point) is a unified community, but also a foundation
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
The only advantage of C++ over C is polymorphism, really. There are in my
view only three reasons to even use C++: 1) the iostream library, and 2)
polymorphism, and 3) operator overloading. If you need to do all three,
On 4/1/2014 5:26 PM, Mark H Harris wrote:
I didn't really start using unicode
until about 5 years ago; python has only really used it since python3.
right?
If you narrowly meant The python interpreter only starting using
unicode as the default text class in 3.0, then you are, in that narrow
On 4/1/14 5:33 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
hi Terry, hope you are well today, despite gmane difficulties;
If you narrowly meant The python interpreter only starting using
unicode as the default text class in 3.0, then you are, in that narrow
sense, correct.
Yes. When I speak of 'python' I
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com:
So, python(3)'s use of unicode is exciting, not only as a step forward
for the python interpreter, but also as a leadership step forward in
computer science around the world.
Big words. I don't think computer science has experienced major steps
forward
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 10:44:16 PM UTC+5:30, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Mark H Harris:
So, python(3)'s use of unicode is exciting, not only as a step forward
for the python interpreter, but also as a leadership step forward in
computer science around the world.
Big words. I don't think
On 4/3/14 12:14 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com:
So, python(3)'s use of unicode is exciting, not only as a step forward
for the python interpreter, but also as a leadership step forward in
computer science around the world.
Big words. I don't think computer
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com:
computer science covers everything from a linked list to virtual
reality, from cpu pipe lining to flash memory, from punched tape i/o
to plasma displays--- to led back-lit flat panels.
From the point of view of computer science, those barely register. We
On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 3:38 AM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
'Useful' must always be taken in context, and also contextually evaluated
with an on-going methodology which constantly informs 'usefulness' on a
continuum. I admire and encourage the core devs, in their pursuit of
On 4/04/2014 2:38 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
If I speak of the python community, and I rarely do
Maybe you speak of them rarely but you claim to speak for them
fairly often.
Python3 is not perfect; but python3 is *way* more consistent than
python2 and consequently *way* more useful than
On 4/3/14 5:43 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
So your definition of useful for the Decimal module is fast and
your definition of useful for Unicode is mandated into use.
No. I did not define 'useful'. I placed 'useful' on a continuum
whereby 'useful' is non definitive relative. Go read it
On 4/3/14 9:07 PM, alex23 wrote:
On 4/04/2014 2:38 AM, Mark H Harris wrote:
If I speak of the python community, and I rarely do
Maybe you speak of them rarely but you claim to speak for them
fairly often.
I am sorry, and I do apologize (genuinely). I knowingly speak for my
users,
On 4/3/14 2:43 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
What does computer science have to show of late? A better mutual
exclusion algorithm? Dancing trees?
Ok, cryptography has been pretty exciting. The back and forth between
feasibility and unfeasibility. The ongoing cat and mouse.
Computer science
On 3/31/14 3:46 PM, Rhodri James wrote:
I was using arpanet since the late 1970s.
I was using JANet since the early 80s, and I'm by no means the oldest
person here. I should stop playing that card if I were you.
My point (which you missed) is not how old I am, rather, for some of
us
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
Python3 finally started getting unicode right. The fact that it 'existed'
in some form prior to (3) is not meaningful, nor helpful.
When I said, python has only really used it since python3, right?, I meant
that
On 4/1/14 4:49 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 8:26 AM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
Python3 finally started getting unicode right. The fact that it 'existed'
in some form prior to (3) is not meaningful, nor helpful.
When I said, python has only really used it
On 3/30/14 10:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In 1991, there was no wireless, no mobile computing, hardly any public
Internet outside of the universities. It was before the Eternal
September, and only a few years after the Great Renaming.
I was using arpanet since the late 1970s.
Python had
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
Unicode in python3.x is (mostly) working correctly. Congratulations to all
who worked on it, hat is off. The problem with unicode is that it is just a
specification. The consortium cannot force or code anything. They
Mark, you are demonstrating a habit of making sweeping pronouncements
and assertions; and then, when those statements are challenged, you
act as though you never said them.
Here's a characteristic example:
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com writes:
On 3/30/14 10:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Monday, March 31, 2014 12:23:55 PM UTC+5:30, Ben Finney wrote:
Mark, you are demonstrating a habit of making sweeping pronouncements
and assertions; and then, when those statements are challenged, you
act as though you never said them.
Here's a characteristic example:
Mark H Harris
Unicode...
Interesting reading.
jmf
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In article lhb0on$pcj$1...@speranza.aioe.org,
Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/30/14 10:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In 1991, there was no wireless, no mobile computing, hardly any public
Internet outside of the universities. It was before the Eternal
September, and only a
On 2014-03-30, Rhodri James rho...@wildebst.org.uk wrote:
On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:44:13 +0100, Steven D'Aprano
Among fans of the British writer Terry Pratchett, the usual term is
Merkins. Including among Merkin fans.
Many of whom even know what a merkin is, and use the term anyway.
As much
On Mon, 31 Mar 2014 07:08:24 +0100, Mark H Harris harrismh...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 3/30/14 10:22 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
In 1991, there was no wireless, no mobile computing, hardly any public
Internet outside of the universities. It was before the Eternal
September, and only a few years
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