Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Urs Koenig (QL)
Derek Stewart wrote:
 Why not have a QL Show in each country and we support each other...

Hi folks,

back on the QL retro track (after being busy with the JAGUAR for a while) I
would like to share my thoughts about a QL-is-30 event. I already had some
email back and forth with Rich last spring.

1. The QL (community) definitely deserves such an event.

2. Such an event should be hold in the home country of Sinclair and the QL,
in England.

3. It should be an international event, addressing visitors from all over
the world.

4. It should be held at an attractive place/city where beside the show
visitors (and their families) can enjoy other activities may it be
historical, cultural or just shopping/dining.

5. Catering does not have to be a priority as because of #4 there will be
plenty of restaurants/c-stores/markets of all quality and price ranges
available. And, BYO food/drinks always works at such events.

6. The event should be 2 days, a full weekend. Held in either in late
April/Mai or in September/October 2014 (to leave the summer free for family
vacations and avoid the cold and travel-unfriendly winter).

7. The event should be a good mixture of activities in a meeting room
(traditional QL show style), with desks for tinkerers, users and traders and
sessions  talks in a lecture room.

8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien retro
computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

9. The event should be promoted to a much wider audience than only posting
it to ql-users and ql-forum. More forums, retro-magazines, facebook, twitter
and the like. Even e-mailshots to (former) Sinclair/QL users.

Taking all this together my favourite location is Cambridge may it be at the
Cambridge Campus of the Anglia Ruskin University (with the option to visit
the Sinclair building) or in the Centre for Computing History. London would
also be an option as it is always worth visiting. I'm pretty sure
continental visitors mostly agree with my thoughts.

Together with my Swiss QL friends I ran the QL-Mac-are-25 international
show - the last big scale QL show - in Lucerne 4 years ago with a similar
concept. The website (with facts  figures, pictures, videos and
presentations) of that event is still up at http://tinyurl.com/ql-mac-show.
We had some 50 visitors. Thanks to the remaining funds of the Swiss Sinclair
User Group and donations by QUANTA and others the event has been fully
sponsored and could be ran as a free entry event (no admission fee). Total
costs were CHF 3257 whereof CHF 2532 were for the posh venue (rooms and
associated services). All work and travel by us enthusiast was voluntary and
unpaid.

10 days ago there was the E-JAGFEST 2013 in Duisburg, Germany - a two days
international event celebrating the 20th anniversary of the ATARI JAGUAR -
which was ran on a similar concept. There were some 50 visitors from
Germany, the Netherlands, the UK and Switzerland. Budget was tight, so a
fair admission fee applied. And back to topic, two QLers - Jochen and myself
- attended. Here's a playlist of videos about that event
http://tinyurl.com/Jag-is-20. Jochen and myself can be seen in part 10.

Even life is not easy and things get complicated sometime, I would
definitely work hard to attend such an event. Excuses like my car is not
fit, I don't like trains, a 4 hours trip within Britain is horrible, etc.
sound strange to me (and most likely to other continentals who will travel
much longer ways and days). If you're a Sinclair/QL enthusiast then such
things should not stop one from attending the show.

Just my two pennies...

QL forever!

Cheers, Urs


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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Peter
Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:

 [...]
 
 8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
 addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien retro
 computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost 
negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with 
even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is 
primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not 
travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very 
clear focus on the QL!

I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10 
or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent 
German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can 
be.

Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all 
Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL 
will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority 
prefers a general event, it's fine.

All the best
Peter

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Geoff Wicks

On 03/12/2013 15:15, Peter wrote:

Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:


[...]

8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien retro
computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
clear focus on the QL!

I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
be.

Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
prefers a general event, it's fine.



I agree with Peter on this.  We need to think small - quality not 
quantity. If a meeting of 10 people results in benefits for the whole QL 
community then it is a worthwhile event.


Small events are easier and cheaper to organise. You can use smaller and 
cheaper halls - workplaces, schools, church halls or - dare I say it - a 
scout hut. Catering can also be done cheaply and easily. Tea, coffee, 
biscuits plus soup and rolls.


For this reason I liked the idea of a possible Edinburgh event 
especially as Peter and other German users had expressed an interest. It 
would be the core of a good meeting.


I have already announced my intention not to renew my Quanta 
subscription in January. I would be happy to give the £20 saved as a 
contribution to the cost of a hall,


Best Wishes,


Geoff

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Dave Park
I think we should hold the event in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Las Vegas has many convention halls and are ideally set-up for hosting such
a popular and successful event. Las Vegas has also worked hard to build the
infrastructure required to feed the massing hordes. Furthermore, Vegas has
entertainment and services needed to properly support the QL community in
the manner to which it has become accustomed. Why Las Vegas, though? It's a
holiday destination. Once you accept that for most people, traveling
internationally to get to any location means taking a holiday or vacation,
you logically end up in a situation where it makes sense only if the
location is vacation-friendly.

Las Vegas is vacation-friendly!

Now, I can hear what you're saying... Dave just suggested Las Vegas
because it's in Murica! No, not so. It will require less travel for all
you Europeans than it would for me. For me it would be a 4,200 mile (6,760
km) round trip drive. But I'd do it. :)

Sorry, I can't go on any longer :)

Folks, I love and care for you all, but I want to bang your heads together.
It doesn't matter if the show is large or small, here or there. We can
barely even put on a show, so the fact one might happen at all is a
miracle. There have been at least three good offers to host a show, and one
clear request for movement and funding by Quanta, and yet nothing has
happened. It is now very VERY late in the day to hit the April/May target
for a show. Everyone feels let down and nobody feels responsible.

For my money, I think Rich's (RWAP's) offer to host a show was the most
sound, and represented the combination of good location, minimal cost, and
best exposure to other users to grow the community. However, watching us
squabbling like little girls must have been very off-putting for him. We
should be thankful if he even thinks it's worth serving this community any
more.

We should all be ashamed.

Dave


On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com wrote:

 On 03/12/2013 15:15, Peter wrote:

 Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:

  [...]

 8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
 addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien
 retro
 computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).

 Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
 negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
 even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

 I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
 primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
 travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
 clear focus on the QL!

 I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
 or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
 German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
 be.

 Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
 Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
 will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
 prefers a general event, it's fine.


 I agree with Peter on this.  We need to think small - quality not
 quantity. If a meeting of 10 people results in benefits for the whole QL
 community then it is a worthwhile event.

 Small events are easier and cheaper to organise. You can use smaller and
 cheaper halls - workplaces, schools, church halls or - dare I say it - a
 scout hut. Catering can also be done cheaply and easily. Tea, coffee,
 biscuits plus soup and rolls.

 For this reason I liked the idea of a possible Edinburgh event especially
 as Peter and other German users had expressed an interest. It would be the
 core of a good meeting.

 I have already announced my intention not to renew my Quanta subscription
 in January. I would be happy to give the £20 saved as a contribution to the
 cost of a hall,

 Best Wishes,


 Geoff

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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Kenn Van Hauen
Agree! Let's get behind Rich's offer. Kenn

Sent from my iPad

 On 3 Dec 2013, at 19:26, Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com wrote:
 
 I think we should hold the event in Las Vegas, Nevada.
 
 Las Vegas has many convention halls and are ideally set-up for hosting such
 a popular and successful event. Las Vegas has also worked hard to build the
 infrastructure required to feed the massing hordes. Furthermore, Vegas has
 entertainment and services needed to properly support the QL community in
 the manner to which it has become accustomed. Why Las Vegas, though? It's a
 holiday destination. Once you accept that for most people, traveling
 internationally to get to any location means taking a holiday or vacation,
 you logically end up in a situation where it makes sense only if the
 location is vacation-friendly.
 
 Las Vegas is vacation-friendly!
 
 Now, I can hear what you're saying... Dave just suggested Las Vegas
 because it's in Murica! No, not so. It will require less travel for all
 you Europeans than it would for me. For me it would be a 4,200 mile (6,760
 km) round trip drive. But I'd do it. :)
 
 Sorry, I can't go on any longer :)
 
 Folks, I love and care for you all, but I want to bang your heads together.
 It doesn't matter if the show is large or small, here or there. We can
 barely even put on a show, so the fact one might happen at all is a
 miracle. There have been at least three good offers to host a show, and one
 clear request for movement and funding by Quanta, and yet nothing has
 happened. It is now very VERY late in the day to hit the April/May target
 for a show. Everyone feels let down and nobody feels responsible.
 
 For my money, I think Rich's (RWAP's) offer to host a show was the most
 sound, and represented the combination of good location, minimal cost, and
 best exposure to other users to grow the community. However, watching us
 squabbling like little girls must have been very off-putting for him. We
 should be thankful if he even thinks it's worth serving this community any
 more.
 
 We should all be ashamed.
 
 Dave
 
 
 On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com wrote:
 
 On 03/12/2013 15:15, Peter wrote:
 
 Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:
 
 [...]
 
 8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
 addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien
 retro
 computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).
 Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
 negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
 even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.
 
 I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
 primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
 travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
 clear focus on the QL!
 
 I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
 or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
 German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
 be.
 
 Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
 Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
 will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
 prefers a general event, it's fine.
 I agree with Peter on this.  We need to think small - quality not
 quantity. If a meeting of 10 people results in benefits for the whole QL
 community then it is a worthwhile event.
 
 Small events are easier and cheaper to organise. You can use smaller and
 cheaper halls - workplaces, schools, church halls or - dare I say it - a
 scout hut. Catering can also be done cheaply and easily. Tea, coffee,
 biscuits plus soup and rolls.
 
 For this reason I liked the idea of a possible Edinburgh event especially
 as Peter and other German users had expressed an interest. It would be the
 core of a good meeting.
 
 I have already announced my intention not to renew my Quanta subscription
 in January. I would be happy to give the £20 saved as a contribution to the
 cost of a hall,
 
 Best Wishes,
 
 
 Geoff
 
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Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

2013-12-03 Thread Dilwyn Jones
If a QL Is 30 happens at all (and it's more likely in September next year 
than April) wouldn't it be great if Peter was able to bring a Q68 (and any 
other personal QL projects he has working by then!) to show us at such a 
meeting!


Dilwyn Jones

-Original Message- 
From: Peter

Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 3:15 PM
To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com
Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Ql is 30

Urs Koenig (QL) wrote:


[...]

8. It should not be restricted to the QL only, but at least be themed and
addressed as an all Sinclair event. Open for everyone, even for alien 
retro

computer systems (ATARI, COMMODORE, AMSTRAD, etc.).


Even at a Sinclair-only meeting, the QL would already be an almost
negligible minority. If the scope is widened to even more systems (with
even bigger user base), the QL completely moves out of focus.

I have attended retro meetings in the past - they are nice if one is
primarily interested in general computer history and chat, but I would not
travel to England for just that. For my taste, QL is 30 requires a very
clear focus on the QL!

I would definitely prefer a dedicated QL event with an audience of only 10
or 20 persons, to a general retro meeting with 100 or more. The recent
German QL meeting has proved how busy and interesting a small event can
be.

Maybe I'd drive 50 km for a general retro meeting, 300 km for an all
Sinclair meeting, but to motivate me for travelling to the UK, only the QL
will do ;-) Please consider this just my personal taste - if the majority
prefers a general event, it's fine.

All the best
Peter

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