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Hi David, >> Normally Geting even more spooky now. I'm doing nothing different to last time, and yet you are now able to read my posts from the web interface easily. Beats me! Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 09:34 06/02/2008 +0100, you wrote: >This is once more from the web interface - how does it read? Normally ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Norman, > This is once more from the web interface - how does it read? > Fine here. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Morning again David, I wrote : >Don't ask questions then! Whoops! Apologies. What I meant to type was "Don't join a discussion" if you don't want comments/correction/further discussion on the points you raise. Sorry. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Morning David, >>What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ? >> Answer ? :- Who can tell, it's a PC thing! :-) >>That was the only question ! Ok. But I notice you chose to completely ignore my previous email where I answered your accusations of pomposity etc by asking me not to send any more, while you have taken time to answer this one! This is once more from the web interface - how does it read? Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Bugger, SORRY, thought I had got it off list ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 21:51 05/02/2008 +, you wrote: > >> I was not seeking guidence or solutions to problems long past. >Don't ask questions then! What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ? Answer ? :- Who can tell, it's a PC thing! :-) That was the only question ! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman Dunbar wrote: > David Tubbs wrote: >> Please stop, it was enough effort to write a response to Malcolm's request. Ok.no worries. >> I was not seeking guidence or solutions to problems long past. Don't ask questions then! >> I admit no knowledge of Linux, am grateful to have avoided a basis of >> need to know. :-) >> There is no room in my head anyway. I have a similar problem! >> Now I wish even more it was not unpicked. > Consider this the end then! >> D > Cheers, > Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Tuesday 05 February 2008 20:14:47 Norman Dunbar wrote: > Hi Wolfgang, > > > "Difficulty" is too much of a word. It arrived here as separate lines, > > but the lines don't linewrap, so I scroll a lot. > > Spookily enough, your email to me is one long line as well. I've never > suffered from this before until David raised the 'fault' with my email > all being one single long paragraph - which it so far appears that he is > the only one who is having thins problem. > > Wonder what's going on? Email was initially designed before fonts and fancy control characters. We had 64 different characters if we were lucky (some only had uppercase). The all was Unix based, a time with no mice and Telex was the future before fax. This is why Base64 encoding exists which is often seen with uuencode/uudecode. Everything was sent as text characters and we hard coded carriage returns for the 80 column displays. This caused problems with reply text where the reply indicators could cause the end of every line to be dropped form the display. The world moves on and we now have HTML/MIME encoding for fonts, other character sets and formating information. Word wrapping is normally done automatically by your MUA and has nothing to do with the MTA. Hard text encoding can cause problems with wrapping especially when changing between HTML enabled systems and text systems multiple times. Typically, I see it on systems that are unable to automatically adjust text when it inserts the previous reply indicator "> " before being encoded on the way out. * If everyone uses HTML encoded text then the message is automatically wrapped. * If everyone is using Plain Text encoding then no problems occur * If someone send in Plain Text some HTML readers can fail to wrap if not completely configured correctly. Now while it may seem ideal for everyone to switch to HTML encoded text only or Plain text only, the real solution would be to fix the MUA's to wrap Plain Text correctly. There are good reasons for allowing plain text encoding (Mailing lists typically do not support it. HTML/MIME is larger, Not everyone uses your software, poorly designed operating systems are vulnerable to viruses and encoded email is a common carrier, visually impaired users may have set their software to use colours and fonts suitable for their use and your overwriting HTML/MIME encoded file will overwrite this, it risks breaking mailbox sizes etc,). Now from the above you might be able to read that I am not overly fond of MS software (although I seem to have bought a copy of every version over the years). However, while I have excellent reasons for not using it, I understand others may not have an option or they may even choose to use it. That is their prerogative. In a similar fashion, I hope they understand that not everyone uses Word files. :-) For the poor souls on Outlook the registry key is HKEY_Current_User\Software\Microsoft\Office\nnn\Common\MailSettings (Where nnn is the version of Outlook (2007=12.0, 2003=11.0, 2002=10.0) With the DWords InternetMailTextEncoding and WrapLinesDWORD John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman Dunbar wrote: > >> Even spookier are the totally blank emails from TomTom customer support >> that are only visible as html. They contain nothing but text and basic >> html tags. The idiots refuse to even *consider* that they are doing >> anything worng. > > Yes, I get a few of those at work, not from TomTom. They come in as > attachments and the main email itself is totally blank. > These are odder than that. There is no attachment. The body of the email is something like: -- and then something pretty vital they are saying like what they are doing about the repair and where they are sending it, all in plain text and then the *one* actual bit of html that does anything: -- ... and Thunderbird displays absolutely nothing. I deleted the first two, and only investigated the third. It much delayed my repair! They said the problem was *my* fault. They told me to "Ask a friend if they can let me use their computer, and then use their browser". They clearly have no brains. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Evening Tony, >> Wonder what's going on? >> > html? > I often resolve long lines in Thunderbird by using "view | message body > as | simple html". I have all my email systems, including work, plus the 1 and 1 webmail system configured to send everything in plain text. It is the standard after all. Up until David's report of problems, I've had absolutely no problems sending or receiving mails from the web inteface to anyone I know. But suddenly, it's all gone pants! > Even spookier are the totally blank emails from TomTom customer support > that are only visible as html. They contain nothing but text and basic > html tags. The idiots refuse to even *consider* that they are doing > anything worng. Yes, I get a few of those at work, not from TomTom. They come in as attachments and the main email itself is totally blank. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Stephen Usher wrote: > On 5 Feb 2008, at 20:34, Tony Firshman wrote: >>> Unless the laptop is available with Windows XP on it forget it. You >>> won't find drivers for most of the modern hardware. Also, if the >>> machine has a SATA hard disk interface you'll need a driver on a >>> floppy disk just so that you can install Windows XP. >> Not necessarily true. My Tosh laptop has a sata HD and installs XP >> just >> fine from the CD. > > > The stock Windows XP SP2 CD (Home, Professional and corporate install > versions) won't be able to access SATA devices (unless the BIOS makes > them pretend to be PATA). > > It's quite probable that the Toshiba XP install CD will have the > interface drivers added already. It would be silly if they didn't do > this. > This was not a Toshiba CD, but XP pro SP2. I wanted to get rid of the bloated Media edition they dumped on me. I suppose the bios is pretending (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Evening David, > Eventually I rendered it readable. I have no idea what it could have been that caused the problem. I've read it fine in the Linux version of Thunderbird as has at least one other recipient, I sent it to work and Outlook read it fine there. Wolfgang seems to have had a different problem to yours in that he saw each of my paragraphs as one single long non-wrapping line. Eudora reads it fine as well and my Wife's version of Thunderbird on Windows XP has no problems either. Spooky. >>It is surely just common sense that if you want a multiple boot >>machine you should mark the space out before installations. I >>have no idea what Linux has to offer in the way of such tools, > > Now, while I agree that it is sensible to do what you say, I have to > state, for the defence, . . . . . . > > Of what, where is the attack ? It was a figure of speech, sorry if thought that I thought I was 'under attack'. I shall attempt to refrain in future from using words that may cause confusion. > Will learned counsel for the defence please inform the court what he is > defending. > The less than sensible ? Linux ? Or Norman Dunbar ? You suggested that you knew not what tools Linux had to offer in the realms of disc partitioning. I provided a small list of these I knew about off the top of my head. As with many things Linux/Unix, there are about 101 different ways to skin the proverbial cat, so there may well be others. As for what I was defending, as I said above, it was a figure of speech. > Is paranoia showing again ? It was yourself that perceived a > non-existant slight in Tony's mail some while ago ? I believe you may be getting me confused with another member of the list. I have never been slighted by Tony, nor have I taken offence at any recent posting on the list. Paranoia doesn't live here! >>Bearing in mind you need a Primary ptn' for each bootup, > > I'm not 100% sure that this is true. You van define a maximum of 4 > primary partitions on a disc and then you are stuffed if you want more. > To get around this limit, you define an extended partition a. . . > > It is not a work-around, it is the system, the MBR is the first sector, > number of definitions is limited. Sorry, I'm missing your point. You said that a primary partition is needed for each boot up. I said that I wasn't 100% sure if this was the case - in other words, I was questioning your statement of fact. I mentioned the 4 primary limit and you say that it isn't a work around (which I don't believe I mentioned), you then tell me that it it limited. So when I mentioned getting around this limit (of only 4 primary partitions) I was indeed mentioning how to get round the *limit*. Not a workaround at all. > >>I did once install W95, 98 & 2000 in one box, as I recall it >>was a doddle, Windows just used free space to make the new >>primaries, > > The windows installer would have seen the partitions as separate drives > . . . . > > You are quite wrong and just fatally biased against Microsoft, Dear or dear. You seem to know a hell of a lot about me and we have never, to the best on my recollection, ever been introduced. I am *not* fatally biased against Microsoft. My desktop PC runs Windows XP (occasionally I admit) and my wife's laptop runs XP as well. I tend to favour Linux on my laptop and on the desktop, again, I run Linux (it dual boots). Those are my preferences. I use Windows at work all day every day and it works, mostly. And I stand by my statement above. If you create 4 partitions on a disc and then install Windows, you will be asked which 'disc' you wish to install to and each partition will indeed be a 'separate' hard disc - as far as Windows is concerned. > there are pro's & con's for MS, allow credit where it is due. > 25 years ago the bleat was "why wont computers talk to each other ?", > no they cry MONOPOLY ! WTF? Did Microsoft suddenly invent networking? I believe not. In fact, Microsoft came late to networking, like they came to the internet, very late and with a half botched attempt at a bolt-on to Windows 3.1 making it 3.11 (if I remember correctly) which was the first to have networking capabilities built in. Up until then, networking of Windows up to 3.1 was done on top of Novell Networking - or similar. >>A Sony VAIO of a friend caused quite a headache, a reinstallation was a >>pain due to the Sony Specials and an unhelpful dealership > > My Sony Vaio reinstalled quite nicely thanks. . . . . . > > I was just recounting , for Malcolm, laptop experiences - not seeking > remedies for long past problems. And illustrating why I dislike the > proprietry brands. And I was actually agreeing with you and recounting my experiences with laptops. I wasn't offering any solutions. I agree about unhelpful (Sony) dealerships though - exactly my experience when I needed a new keyboard for this laptop. >>Lastly my wife bought an Advent when I was away, at least it is >>not Vista, but as the OS and delivered softw
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On 5 Feb 2008, at 20:34, Tony Firshman wrote: >> >> Unless the laptop is available with Windows XP on it forget it. You >> won't find drivers for most of the modern hardware. Also, if the >> machine has a SATA hard disk interface you'll need a driver on a >> floppy disk just so that you can install Windows XP. > Not necessarily true. My Tosh laptop has a sata HD and installs XP > just > fine from the CD. >> > The stock Windows XP SP2 CD (Home, Professional and corporate install versions) won't be able to access SATA devices (unless the BIOS makes them pretend to be PATA). It's quite probable that the Toshiba XP install CD will have the interface drivers added already. It would be silly if they didn't do this. Steve --- Nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 13:30 05/02/2008 +0100, you wrote: >On 5 Feb 2008 at 8:38, Derek Stewart wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > The high spam indicator is configured in the email client, so just define > > the mailing as non-spam. > >No actually it's in my mailbox with the Internet address provider. > > > > To alter Windows Primary partitions, which is usually all the space on the > > disk. The partition requires to be defragmented and a use a utility on the > > Linux CD/DVD in dosutils folder called FIPS. > >Or else the prog I used, that also allowed me to create an extended >partition and create the linux >partitions in there. > > > Which is a dos program that will split windows primary partitions including > > NTFS partitions. > > >Oh, and so that we could get back on topic, the reason I did this (install >linux on my laptop) was to >see whether I could reproduce the problems others on this list have had, >i.e. QPC behaving >strangely. >I succeeded. > > > A better solution is to add a second hard drive and install Linux. > >Ahmmm, that's a bit difficult in a laptop. > >Wolfgang > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1259 - Release Date: >04/02/2008 20:42 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Stephen Usher wrote: > Now, as for options to run old QL-derivative emulators on old versions > of Windows on modern laptops you have a few options: > > (1) Try to install old Windows on a modern laptop. > > Unless the laptop is available with Windows XP on it forget it. You > won't find drivers for most of the modern hardware. Also, if the > machine has a SATA hard disk interface you'll need a driver on a > floppy disk just so that you can install Windows XP. Not necessarily true. My Tosh laptop has a sata HD and installs XP just fine from the CD. > Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Oops, sorry - wrong button A strange absense or piss-placement of newline characters, but where does it originate ??? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman Dunbar wrote: >> "Difficulty" is too much of a word. It arrived here as separate lines, but >> the lines don't linewrap, so I >> scroll a lot. > Spookily enough, your email to me is one long line as well. I've never > suffered from this before until David raised the 'fault' with my email > all being one single long paragraph - which it so far appears that he is > the only one who is having thins problem. > > Wonder what's going on? > html? I often resolve long lines in Thunderbird by using "view | message body as | simple html". Even spookier are the totally blank emails from TomTom customer support that are only visible as html. They contain nothing but text and basic html tags. The idiots refuse to even *consider* that they are doing anything worng. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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> I've been reading this thread and it seems like may of the people on this list are still stuck in the 1980s when it comes to knowledge of x86 laptops. :-) Anyway, with regards laptops... They work well these days.. they're not as flaky as the original 80286 Toshibas and you can read the screen, even in daylight! Dual booting Linux and Windows is not a problem anymore, other than Windows will fight to put its boot sector on a drive and wipe out any others. Of course, why would you want any OS other than Windows?! Now, as for options to run old QL-derivative emulators on old versions of Windows on modern laptops you have a few options: (1) Try to install old Windows on a modern laptop. Unless the laptop is available with Windows XP on it forget it. You won't find drivers for most of the modern hardware. Also, if the machine has a SATA hard disk interface you'll need a driver on a floppy disk just so that you can install Windows XP. (2) Run a DOS emulator for really old machines. This is an option if you have Windows XP but I don't know of any which run correctly under Windows Vista (which you should avoid 'cos it's too buggy anyway) and even fewer will run under 64bit Vista. You can dual boot with Linux. This is not a difficult thing to do and distributions such as Mandriva have utilities within the install process which will allow you to resize your Windows partition without losing data. The main problem is that WiFi drivers under Linux are hit as miss due to the manufacturers not releasing the programming specifications. Other than this Linux emulators or virtual machines (e.g. the free VMware Server) make this attractive. (3) Run MSDOS or Windows in a virtual machine. Again, this might cause a problem with drivers if you're running Linux. Alternatively, you can buy VMware workstation for Windows. There is another alternative, you could buy an Apple laptop (which spec for spec actually are cheaper than other Windows machines) and either dual boot (Bootcamp) with Windows and/or buy either Parallels or VMware Fusion and run under that. It also has the advantage that MacOS X is a true BSD Unix descendant and is pretty hardy when it comes to being attacked by crackers on the 'net. Hm.. I wonder... I've just had an idea, I wonder if I can compile UQLX under MacOS (using the supplied SDK and X server) and have a nice little QL in a window. :-) Steve --- Nostalgia isn't as good as it used to be. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Wolfgang, > "Difficulty" is too much of a word. It arrived here as separate lines, but > the lines don't linewrap, so I > scroll a lot. Spookily enough, your email to me is one long line as well. I've never suffered from this before until David raised the 'fault' with my email all being one single long paragraph - which it so far appears that he is the only one who is having thins problem. Wonder what's going on? Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 5 Feb 2008 at 8:38, Derek Stewart wrote: > Hi, > > The high spam indicator is configured in the email client, so just define > the mailing as non-spam. No actually it's in my mailbox with the Internet address provider. > To alter Windows Primary partitions, which is usually all the space on the > disk. The partition requires to be defragmented and a use a utility on the > Linux CD/DVD in dosutils folder called FIPS. Or else the prog I used, that also allowed me to create an extended partition and create the linux partitions in there. > Which is a dos program that will split windows primary partitions including > NTFS partitions. > Oh, and so that we could get back on topic, the reason I did this (install linux on my laptop) was to see whether I could reproduce the problems others on this list have had, i.e. QPC behaving strangely. I succeeded. > A better solution is to add a second hard drive and install Linux. Ahmmm, that's a bit difficult in a laptop. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi, The high spam indicator is configured in the email client, so just define the mailing as non-spam. To alter Windows Primary partitions, which is usually all the space on the disk. The partition requires to be defragmented and a use a utility on the Linux CD/DVD in dosutils folder called FIPS. Which is a dos program that will split windows primary partitions including NTFS partitions. FDISK can not be used as it only recognises FAT, FAT32. The NTFS partitions can only be added by the use of Windows 2000 or XP operating systems. A better solution is to add a second hard drive and install Linux. Use LILO / GRUB or any other Linux operating system loader. Which is better and more flexible to the Microsoft loader. Derek -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Lenerz Sent: 05 February 2008 06:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences On 4 Feb 2008 at 14:42, David Tubbs wrote: > What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ? I have no idea, I just checked,about every message I get from the list is marked spam high. I just sometimes forget to remove it from the subject line. > It is surely just common sense that if you want a multiple boot machine you > should mark the space out before installations. On the other hand the install routine of the second OS could provide for a way to reduce the space used by the first OS. In fact, this is what the Opensuse linux installer offers, I just heard that it would be better to do itfirst with windows tools. > I have no idea what Linux > has to offer in the way of such tools, but you have FDISK with Windows > though PQMAGIC on a floppy is my preff'. Well, unless I'm mistaken, FDISK will wipe everything from the disk, which is definitely not what I wanted. So a thrird party tool was what I used. > Bearing in mind you need a Primary ptn' for each bootup, only one of which > can be active at a time. No you don't - install a boot manager on the primary partition. This is what happened here (Grub). All of the linux partitiobs are in an extended windows partition. >Any other space for programs and data I place in > an extended frame. That info' is in the MBR and handled by the BIOS which > informs whatever OS is present or th be installed. > > It was MDV! & 2 or FLP1 or 2 that made me an inveterate partitioner (even > more so under FAT16 cluster sizing), separation of prog' & data seems just > common sense - quite apart from the OS. Many don't believe, everything in > the C: drive, swapfile and all, maximum fragging ! I agree. I always separate the OS from my data files. I even install programs on another dive than my windows drive. This helps me to keep the size of the windows partition small, making it easier to back it up entirely. (...) > > Lastly my wife bought an Advent when I was away, at least it is not Vista, > but as the OS and delivered software is only in a recovery partition, no > discs, one cannot reformat the HDD without losing the system. I have never > invoked one of these recovery procedures, I presume they can only do so by > recreating the original environment, everything else would be lost. > Try to copy everything from there to a dvd... Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- This email has been verified as Virus free. Virus Protection and more available at http://www.plus.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1258 - Release Date: 2/4/2008 10:10 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 4 Feb 2008 at 18:49, Norman Dunbar wrote: > Does anyone else have difficulties reading my previous email? "Difficulty" is too much of a word. It arrived here as separate lines, but the lines don't linewrap, so I scroll a lot. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 4 Feb 2008 at 14:42, David Tubbs wrote: > What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ? I have no idea, I just checked,about every message I get from the list is marked spam high. I just sometimes forget to remove it from the subject line. > It is surely just common sense that if you want a multiple boot machine you > should mark the space out before installations. On the other hand the install routine of the second OS could provide for a way to reduce the space used by the first OS. In fact, this is what the Opensuse linux installer offers, I just heard that it would be better to do itfirst with windows tools. > I have no idea what Linux > has to offer in the way of such tools, but you have FDISK with Windows > though PQMAGIC on a floppy is my preff'. Well, unless I'm mistaken, FDISK will wipe everything from the disk, which is definitely not what I wanted. So a thrird party tool was what I used. > Bearing in mind you need a Primary ptn' for each bootup, only one of which > can be active at a time. No you don't - install a boot manager on the primary partition. This is what happened here (Grub). All of the linux partitiobs are in an extended windows partition. >Any other space for programs and data I place in > an extended frame. That info' is in the MBR and handled by the BIOS which > informs whatever OS is present or th be installed. > > It was MDV! & 2 or FLP1 or 2 that made me an inveterate partitioner (even > more so under FAT16 cluster sizing), separation of prog' & data seems just > common sense - quite apart from the OS. Many don't believe, everything in > the C: drive, swapfile and all, maximum fragging ! I agree. I always separate the OS from my data files. I even install programs on another dive than my windows drive. This helps me to keep the size of the windows partition small, making it easier to back it up entirely. (...) > > Lastly my wife bought an Advent when I was away, at least it is not Vista, > but as the OS and delivered software is only in a recovery partition, no > discs, one cannot reformat the HDD without losing the system. I have never > invoked one of these recovery procedures, I presume they can only do so by > recreating the original environment, everything else would be lost. > Try to copy everything from there to a dvd... Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Looking at my inbox it is evident there are some Char(13)'s missing in Norman's quoted text. Before the ">" there are 3 CHR(10)s At 21:20 04/02/2008 +, you wrote: >And dare I say it for fear of being expelled from the QL community, the >email was perfect in Outlook Express! > >Best Wishes, > > >Geoff > > >___ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: >02/02/2008 13:50 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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And dare I say it for fear of being expelled from the QL community, the email was perfect in Outlook Express! Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Norman Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi Norman, Your emails are quite readable with Demon's Turnpike. Although you could just remember to put a few "space" lines every now and again to aid the display layout style. >Hi David, > >> As a single paragraph yours is unreadable. >I imagine it would be! > >However, I sent it from the web interface at work and my copy here in >Thunderbird (on Linux) reads perfectly as a number of paragraphs and >indeed, looks remarkably similar to that which I sent. > >I shall forward myself at work (Outlook) a copy from my online sent >items to see what it looks like. > >What email client do you use? > >Does anyone else have difficulties reading my previous email? > >I shall forward you a copy from Thunderbird privately. Let me know what >you receive please. > >I'm puzzled. > > >Cheers, >Norman. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman Dunbar wrote: >> As a single paragraph yours is unreadable. > I imagine it would be! > > However, I sent it from the web interface at work and my copy here in > Thunderbird (on Linux) reads perfectly as a number of paragraphs and > indeed, looks remarkably similar to that which I sent. > > I shall forward myself at work (Outlook) a copy from my online sent > items to see what it looks like. > > What email client do you use? > > Does anyone else have difficulties reading my previous email? > > I shall forward you a copy from Thunderbird privately. Let me know what > you receive please. > > I'm puzzled. > It looked fine in my Thunderbird. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi David, > As a single paragraph yours is unreadable. I imagine it would be! However, I sent it from the web interface at work and my copy here in Thunderbird (on Linux) reads perfectly as a number of paragraphs and indeed, looks remarkably similar to that which I sent. I shall forward myself at work (Outlook) a copy from my online sent items to see what it looks like. What email client do you use? Does anyone else have difficulties reading my previous email? I shall forward you a copy from Thunderbird privately. Let me know what you receive please. I'm puzzled. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman, As a single paragraph yours is unreadable. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi David, >What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ? Who can tell, it's a PC thing! :-) >It is surely just common sense that if you want a multiple boot >machine you should mark the space out before installations. I >have no idea what Linux has to offer in the way of such tools, Now, while I agree that it is sensible to do what you say, I have to state, for the defence, that many people buy a computer and have paid the Windows tax and some version of Windows is installed. They usually have no choice about how the disc is divided up and in many cases it is simply a single huge C@ drive, or possibly a C: and D: drive - and no spare space. Linux offers a host of tools, fdisk, gparted, and others of a similar sounding name that I forget. The Linux installers have one to hand as well. >Bearing in mind you need a Primary ptn' for each bootup, I'm not 100% sure that this is true. You van define a maximum of 4 primary partitions on a disc and then you are stuffed if you want more. To get around this limit, you define an extended partition and chop that into decent sized chunks of 'pseudo' partitions. Both Windows and Linux will recognise those as 'separate' drives. >I did once install W95, 98 & 2000 in one box, as I recall it >was a doddle, Windows just used free space to make the new >primaries, The windows installer would have seen the partitions as separate drives and you told it to 'take over all of drive X' where X is C, D or E and so on with the first hard drive being C, then D and so on upwards. You were basically doing an install into a 'new' disc at that point. I'm unsure how you managed to get Windows to update the MBR though to give you the option of choosing an OS to boot into. Linux examines your disc setup and if it finds a spare 'disc' (or partition) it will advise installing into that plus it will keep your other OS details safe. Unlike an other OS I could mention! >A Sony VAIO of a friend caused quite a headache, a reinstallation was a >pain due to the Sony Specials and an unhelpful dealership My Sony Vaio reinstalled quite nicely thanks. Simply boot off the supplied CD and it asked me if I wanted a full reinstall or a program only. Choose full, and it goes away and repartitions the drive as it was originally, bungs XP back on and all the apps the laptop came with. Once done, a quick deinstall of the cr4p apps, defrag to free up as much space as possible, run my Linux installer and viola (!) a nice 60 GB chunk of ex-windows real estate to install Linux into. Since then, I've rebuilt it completely without Windows after Windows ate my root partition in a fit of pique, but that's life! >Lastly my wife bought an Advent when I was away, at least it is >not Vista, but as the OS and delivered software is only in a >recovery partition, no discs, one cannot reformat the HDD without >losing the system. My wife's DELL as a similar setup, however, a quick scan of the support site at Dell gave instructions on creating a set of 'original' CDs from the recovery partition. This is for people who chose not to bother paying (!!!) extra £5,00 for the CDs to be sent with the laptop. My desktop Dell came with the CDs - I paid up! I'm wondering if your wife's Advent has a similar setup perhaps? If so, you can burn (and test) the CDs then 'burn' the recovery partition as well - use Norton Ghost perhaps - before reformatting it as usable space. >I have never invoked one of these recovery procedures, I presume >they can only do so by recreating the original environment, >everything else would be lost. That's about the gist of it, yes. They recreate exactly the shipped configuration. You basically start afresh with a 'new' hard disc and virgin installation. In the event of a complete rebuild being required, you do have a backup of your user data somewhere, don't you? Also, I'm pretty certain that in the event of you losing the hard disc completely (including the recovery partition) you are entitled to some support from the vendor in reinstalling your system. Whether this means being able to burn a CD or two from the recovery partition or paying for an install disc from Advent, I don't know, but you should perhaps check the small print? Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 07:07 01/02/2008 +0100, you wrote: I had read that it was recommended to make space on the disk under windows first, which as I said, is what I did. Then is just detected the unallocated space and proposed a sensible way of dividing this up into the usual 3 linux partitions. All I had to do was click OK What on earth gave rise to a SPAM-HIGH: warning ? It is surely just common sense that if you want a multiple boot machine you should mark the space out before installations. I have no idea what Linux has to offer in the way of such tools, but you have FDISK with Windows though PQMAGIC on a floppy is my preff'. Bearing in mind you need a Primary ptn' for each bootup, only one of which can be active at a time. Any other space for programs and data I place in an extended frame. That info' is in the MBR and handled by the BIOS which informs whatever OS is present or th be installed. It was MDV! & 2 or FLP1 or 2 that made me an inveterate partitioner (even more so under FAT16 cluster sizing), separation of prog' & data seems just common sense - quite apart from the OS. Many don't believe, everything in the C: drive, swapfile and all, maximum fragging ! I was surprised to see in XP help MS recommendation the pagefile to be on a diff' drive !! The QL also taught me about file layout on the medium, I had a set of the TURBO load PSION suite , each sector of the file was saved at an interval on the tape so that a following gulp was present at the head as the last mouthful had been swallowed. A precursor to the Floppy interleave. I did once install W95, 98 & 2000 in one box, as I recall it was a doddle, Windows just used free space to make the new primaries, but of course on the virgin disk there was nothing to get in the way, or, like a Linux drive - to be thought of as unallocated space - unrecognised as such. I never used it in anger, one OS is more complex than I can master. As to laptops I have used - First was a Daewoo ! 1999 -Sounds odd but not bad at all, nothing kooky, just like a PC clone - W95 disc included. Sadly the friction hinge lost it's grip on the screen and later a bit of fragment found it's way to the voltage regulators and blew them away. There was an HP, 2001,not for my personal use, came with XP when I was quite content with 98, tried to roll it back but being proprietary based there were no drivers written for 98 so Back to XP- NTFS - HP patent reinstallation, total C: drive. No floppy, CD-RW PAR PS2 SVGA 2USB Next was a German Medion 2001, sometime sold thru' Aldi in DE I found in Toys R Us ! Heavy but with all the usual ports - SER PAR PS2 & Kbd 4USB IR FIWI S_video, FLP &CD, Modem & Network. 2pcmcia. SVGA and XP disc. Modem failed after 10 months so a PCMCIA card was easier than shipping . then it got pulled off a chair, cable round a castor, 18" drop broke backlight, quoted £150 or £70 - maybe I could do it for £20 . . . Still in occasional use over network or with a monitor. A heavy lump but perfectly adequate. As with all (I have seen) the keyboard, the need to bottom the key rather than the regular touch2break. This is no prob' for those that use kbd as an exercise m/c, those you find yourself next to you in the library or Inet Kaff making such a hell of a racket but I SUFFER with NO loss of hearing, and am handicapped by laziness. The keys are so complex to remove, not to mention replace, if something gets underneath. I recommend a regular airline blast. 2004, replace the Medion with an ACER, a long search down Tottenham court Rd. I was happy to find it FAT32, but already short of ports, as it was not loaded up I got the seller to put XP into a limited primary part'n and create the extended p't'n. Proper installation discs and nothing aggressively proprietary, works fine but I really don't like the keyboard and touchpad, sometimes use a USB device to attach a PS2 mouse&kbd, strangely more complex than one might think as you can run a USB mouse in a PS2 socket but not vice versa. Any missing ports can be emulated with modest USB devices. Does detract from the portability. A Sony VAIO of a friend caused quite a headache, a reinstallation was a pain due to the Sony Specials and an unhelpful dealership Lastly my wife bought an Advent when I was away, at least it is not Vista, but as the OS and delivered software is only in a recovery partition, no discs, one cannot reformat the HDD without losing the system. I have never invoked one of these recovery procedures, I presume they can only do so by recreating the original environment, everything else would be lost. There is a sense in which I would not feel I had acquired ownership of such a machine It may be an economy and advantage for the supplier not to include a full OS installation, at point of purchase the punter has no choice. I think it may be possible to get the problem by putting a different HDD in and trying a clean installation, if you were wanting to use
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Norman Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi Norman, That is really helpful. I will take the risk at some time of setting up a dual boot system. As you say Windows XP first, then a Linux distribution to follow. An article on this in QLToday would be useful to other users too. >Evening Malcolm, > >> Umm ... that does seem anticlimatic ... :-) ... you mean the Linux >> installation just detects what space it has the potential to use and >> just installs itself there ? > >Most Linux distributions these days happily locate an empty partition on >your disc, and prompt you to install there. However, you do get other >options such as : > >* Wipe the entire hard disc and use all of it. >* Resize the Windows partition and use the freed space. > >My last install was the former - due to Windows eating my Linux root >partition. Now gone forever on this laptop! > >My first ever install was a dual boot with Windows 98. I had to defrag >the windows D drive to get all the free space at the end. Then the >installer allowed me to resize the Windows partition non-destructively. >I then installed Mandrake 7 (I think) into the freed up space. They >advise you run Windows chkdsk after that just to be sure. > >The best way to dual boot with any flavour of Windows is simply to make >sure Windows is installed first - hopefully leaving you with a free >partition or otherwise. Regardless, Linux will cope. > >Doing it the other way around is fraught with danger. Windows, all >versions, believes it has a god given right to be the only OS on the >computer, and doesn't bother to note that you may already have data - it >takes over the entire drive without so much as a by your leave. > >Windows XP is also redesigned to make dual booting much much more >difficult, so, best advice is this : > >* Run XP or 2000 rather then XP. >* Install Linux last of all - it's easier and linux accepts that other >OSs may exist. > >Have fun. > > >Cheers, >Norman. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Norman Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Thanks, Norman. A really good review of your experiences. I have just had a portable PC reconfigured as a mirror of the system at work - with Windows XP and some M$ software, and PhotoShop CS. Although I can now add my own software installs too. Previously I had it configured as a mirror that was restricted use only, because it had an awful program called SIMS that we have to use for administration work. >My own experiences with Laptops are as follows : > >Sony PCG-FR315S laptop, 512 MB RAM and a P4 processor running about 2.3 >GHz. Can't remember when I got it, it was around 2003, no later than >December 2003. > >Running Windows XP (Only for work) and Linux - for everything else. >Mandrake of various flavours, then Suse 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 and now 10.3. > >Worked well for ages then one day, restarting after an overnight shut >down, a message "no Operating System found" Hmmm. > >A quick look around with Knoppix showed that the hard disc (Hitachi >Travelstar 60 GB) had died horribly in its sleep. > >New Samsung 80GB drive fitted, restored Windows from the CD, >repartitioned, reinstalled Linux. All well and good again. > >Recently, the keyboard expired - usual thing, some keys not working. >Impossible to get one, Sony UK advised me to contact my local dealer, >local Sony Centre didn't bother to reply. No more business for them then! > >Tried all over, but no spares to be had. Finally found one on eBay but >was outbid at the last moment. Found another and clicked on 'buy it >now'. Easy to fit and it has worked ok since then. > >I'm happy. This laptop has been all over the country for years and lived >in the boot of my car at times too. Only problems have been the above, >battery life is abysmal - but it was in those days. Oh, plus it's a >heavy b*gger!! > >Runs Oracle 10g databases on Linux and Windows (well, it did!) quite >happily - and that's what I do for a living, so that is most useful. > >I'm considering whether or not it's worth adding another 512 MB of RAM. >I suspect it might well be. > > >Cheers, >Norman. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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My own experiences with Laptops are as follows : Sony PCG-FR315S laptop, 512 MB RAM and a P4 processor running about 2.3 GHz. Can't remember when I got it, it was around 2003, no later than December 2003. Running Windows XP (Only for work) and Linux - for everything else. Mandrake of various flavours, then Suse 10.0, 10.1, 10.2 and now 10.3. Worked well for ages then one day, restarting after an overnight shut down, a message "no Operating System found" Hmmm. A quick look around with Knoppix showed that the hard disc (Hitachi Travelstar 60 GB) had died horribly in its sleep. New Samsung 80GB drive fitted, restored Windows from the CD, repartitioned, reinstalled Linux. All well and good again. Recently, the keyboard expired - usual thing, some keys not working. Impossible to get one, Sony UK advised me to contact my local dealer, local Sony Centre didn't bother to reply. No more business for them then! Tried all over, but no spares to be had. Finally found one on eBay but was outbid at the last moment. Found another and clicked on 'buy it now'. Easy to fit and it has worked ok since then. I'm happy. This laptop has been all over the country for years and lived in the boot of my car at times too. Only problems have been the above, battery life is abysmal - but it was in those days. Oh, plus it's a heavy b*gger!! Runs Oracle 10g databases on Linux and Windows (well, it did!) quite happily - and that's what I do for a living, so that is most useful. I'm considering whether or not it's worth adding another 512 MB of RAM. I suspect it might well be. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Evening Malcolm, > Umm ... that does seem anticlimatic ... :-) ... you mean the Linux > installation just detects what space it has the potential to use and > just installs itself there ? Most Linux distributions these days happily locate an empty partition on your disc, and prompt you to install there. However, you do get other options such as : * Wipe the entire hard disc and use all of it. * Resize the Windows partition and use the freed space. My last install was the former - due to Windows eating my Linux root partition. Now gone forever on this laptop! My first ever install was a dual boot with Windows 98. I had to defrag the windows D drive to get all the free space at the end. Then the installer allowed me to resize the Windows partition non-destructively. I then installed Mandrake 7 (I think) into the freed up space. They advise you run Windows chkdsk after that just to be sure. The best way to dual boot with any flavour of Windows is simply to make sure Windows is installed first - hopefully leaving you with a free partition or otherwise. Regardless, Linux will cope. Doing it the other way around is fraught with danger. Windows, all versions, believes it has a god given right to be the only OS on the computer, and doesn't bother to note that you may already have data - it takes over the entire drive without so much as a by your leave. Windows XP is also redesigned to make dual booting much much more difficult, so, best advice is this : * Run XP or 2000 rather then XP. * Install Linux last of all - it's easier and linux accepts that other OSs may exist. Have fun. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Malcolm Cadman wrote: > > Umm ... that does seem anticlimatic ... :-) ... you mean the Linux > installation just detects what space it has the potential to use and > just installs itself there ? > When I had a dual boot machine, it was all down to separate partitioning, and there was a dual boot menu. Neither O/S knew about the other once booted. The boot menu was a Linux one I believe. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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The hard-drive is a Maxtor One-touch III Mini 160Gb. Not using another portable yet, but relying on the desktop I bought for the kids last year. I'd like to buy one I can dual boot with Linux but the problem there is about establishing wireless compatibility. I'll have to hurry, I guess, as I'd rather have XP than Vista for the Windows partition. Malcolm Cadman wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > > Are you using another portable machine now ? > > You are right about the external hard drives, which have become both > large in data size and relatively low in price. > > Which one are using ? > > >> Tony Firshman wrote: >>> Malcolm Cadman wrote: A lot of people are moving to having a portable computer as their only computer, and abandoning the desktop versions. >>> I use mine not just for convenience, but so that I can have all my data >>> (including email) wherever I am. >> Agree - I used my Dell Inspiron 5150 for about three years as my main >> machine at home until the hard-disk crashed quite thoroughly. There >> must be other faults as the keyboard has been misbehaving slightly for >> six months and I can't even boot an Ubuntu live CD now. >> >> Fortunately I bought an external HD six months ago and had taken daily >> backups of my important data. > -- Regards, Stephen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Malcolm Cadman wrote: > >> A lot of people are moving to having a portable computer as their only >> computer, and abandoning the desktop versions. >> >> Just for the convenience of use and not really occupying any desktop >> space, as they can be used on the lap and generally moved around. >> >> A friend of mine who has the Sky TV and Broad band package, uses a >> portable for the Broad band access. >I use mine not just for convenience, but so that I can have all my data >(including email) wherever I am. > >My backup is my old notebook, and I aim to be able to use it at a >moments notice. > >I don't actually use a desktop at all for hands-on work. All the >desktops are unattended machines. > >The Tosh laptop is the most powerful machine I have. > >Tony Indeed, having everything available "on the go" is real use for portables. Although, from your previous report the "Tosh" machine has not been that reliable as a piece of kit. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wolfgang Lenerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >Hi Malcolm, > >> >> How exactly did you get Linux to co-exist with Windows XP ? > >No rocket science there. > >I reduced the space needed for XP on the disk (it came configured >with 2 partitions + 1 "hidden" one, with recovbery files on it, which >I junked pretty quickly, since it aso came with CDs/DVDs with >drivers). I did this under windows itself, though. > >Then I popped in a DVD that I got after downloading & burning the >corresponding .iso file from the Suse website. > >The DVD is bootable and just goes into the opensuse setup routine. >It sees the free space, proposes a sensible confiiguration (one "swap >partition", one for the root directory and one for the "home" >directory, whilst leaving the windows ones alone) and installs linux. >That's it. >Pretty anticlimatic, I thought. > >Everything works, even the hotkeys to make the screen >brighter/dimmer. Umm ... that does seem anticlimatic ... :-) ... you mean the Linux installation just detects what space it has the potential to use and just installs itself there ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi Stephen, Are you using another portable machine now ? You are right about the external hard drives, which have become both large in data size and relatively low in price. Which one are using ? >Tony Firshman wrote: >> Malcolm Cadman wrote: >>> A lot of people are moving to having a portable computer as their only >>> computer, and abandoning the desktop versions. >> I use mine not just for convenience, but so that I can have all my data >> (including email) wherever I am. > >Agree - I used my Dell Inspiron 5150 for about three years as my main >machine at home until the hard-disk crashed quite thoroughly. There >must be other faults as the keyboard has been misbehaving slightly for >six months and I can't even boot an Ubuntu live CD now. > >Fortunately I bought an external HD six months ago and had taken daily >backups of my important data. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Malcolm, > > How exactly did you get Linux to co-exist with Windows XP ? No rocket science there. I reduced the space needed for XP on the disk (it came configured with 2 partitions + 1 "hidden" one, with recovbery files on it, which I junked pretty quickly, since it aso came with CDs/DVDs with drivers). I did this under windows itself, though. Then I popped in a DVD that I got after downloading & burning the corresponding .iso file from the Suse website. The DVD is bootable and just goes into the opensuse setup routine. It sees the free space, proposes a sensible confiiguration (one "swap partition", one for the root directory and one for the "home" directory, whilst leaving the windows ones alone) and installs linux. That's it. Pretty anticlimatic, I thought. Everything works, even the hotkeys to make the screen brighter/dimmer. the laptop is about 2/3 years old, pentium M 1.7 Ghz, 512 MB ram. Nothing special apart from that, it worked from day 1 until now without a problem. I've had at least 3 laptops and only had one single problem with one (the screen backlighting broke, after about 3 years' use - repair was not expensive, I can't remember now how much). I still use normal computers, though, when I can. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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P Witte wrote: > Tony Firshman writes: > > <> > > My backup is my old notebook, and I aim to be able to use it at a > moments notice. > > Thats how I like it too. Presumably you mirror your data on the other > machine? Do you use any particular tools for that, like a backup or > version control program? Just "Documents and Settings" but I do not keep any data elsewhere, expect programs of course. Oh for a Windows that allowed mirroring of programs that use the registry. It is a pain coping all the temp crud but the beauty of that is that one has the *complete* environment mirrored including quicklaunch and the desktop. Synchronize It! (and the shriek is not mine). Sorry for the OT, but I do use Qemulator on it, and it also has my QL database etc (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wolfgang Lenerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Hi Malcolm > >>> What are users experiences with portable computers ? >> >> Hi Malcolm >> >I presume that you'll get replies like mine: > >I have an Asus A 6000, not sure og the exact make in that range, about 2 >years old now (I think). >All I can say is that it works. >I recently installed Linux on it in addition to XP. >There again, it works, Linux recongnized the wireless not work card >without any problems. I like the idea of a 'wireless not work card' I have had that experience too. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel/ Fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 NOTE NEW PHONE NUMBER! web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk skype : royqbranch ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tony Firshman writes: <> > My backup is my old notebook, and I aim to be able to use it at a moments notice. Thats how I like it too. Presumably you mirror your data on the other machine? Do you use any particular tools for that, like a backup or version control program? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tony Firshman wrote: > Malcolm Cadman wrote: >> A lot of people are moving to having a portable computer as their only >> computer, and abandoning the desktop versions. > I use mine not just for convenience, but so that I can have all my data > (including email) wherever I am. Agree - I used my Dell Inspiron 5150 for about three years as my main machine at home until the hard-disk crashed quite thoroughly. There must be other faults as the keyboard has been misbehaving slightly for six months and I can't even boot an Ubuntu live CD now. Fortunately I bought an external HD six months ago and had taken daily backups of my important data. -- Regards, Stephen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Malcolm Cadman wrote: > I am thinking of getting one equipped with Wi-fi for internet > connection, so any thoughts would be welcome. Knowing the knowledge of > this users group. > If setting up wifi at home, make the SSID private. Also use WPA-TKIP - Ben tells me anything less is *easily* hacked. It is harder to set up, but only needs to be done once. He has done so at his school (8-)# Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Malcolm Cadman wrote: > A lot of people are moving to having a portable computer as their only > computer, and abandoning the desktop versions. > > Just for the convenience of use and not really occupying any desktop > space, as they can be used on the lap and generally moved around. > > A friend of mine who has the Sky TV and Broad band package, uses a > portable for the Broad band access. I use mine not just for convenience, but so that I can have all my data (including email) wherever I am. My backup is my old notebook, and I aim to be able to use it at a moments notice. I don't actually use a desktop at all for hands-on work. All the desktops are unattended machines. The Tosh laptop is the most powerful machine I have. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Loguidice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Ah ... very interesting you should say that Bill, this does seem to be a trend that a lot of people are adopting now. Giving greater flexibility. Can you say more about the Tablet ? Which is yet another variation in itself. >I was hesistant to do that too, but I've been using my Gateway Tablet PC as >my primary PC for the past few months now and haven't looked back. When I >bought it about a year ago I pretty much maxed it out, so it's not like I'm >missing out on anything in regards to speed or features. Plus, it allows me >to be anywhere in the house, which is important when you have a 3 and a 1 >year old running about. My main desktop has remained untouched in the >office in my basement for quite some time now. The only thing I haven't >tried on the laptop as of yet is digital video production, but I have to do >that soon anyway, so we'll see (there's no reason why it won't work just >fine doing that). I really don't see much of any reason to be on a desktop >for me anymore anyway, as I primarily game on consoles (most of what I enjoy >on a PC runs just fine on a non-gamer maxed system) and I can do all my >typical computer stuff just fine on my Tablet and then some (writing, >development, etc.). I have a networked all-in-one printer and wireless >everything, with everything else on plug-in-on-demand USB as well, so there >are no issues with needing to be tethered in one specific spot. > > >= >Bill Loguidice, Managing Director >Armchair Arcade, Inc. >http://www.armchairarcade.com >A PC Magazine Top 100 Website >= > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P Witte >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:44 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences > >Malcolm Cadman writes: > >> Hi, >> >> What are users experiences with portable computers ? >> >> Specification ... reliability ... features, etc . > >Depends what you want to use it for. Desktop replacement, just playing >about, or as a travelling companion. > >I have a tiny 2 year old FujistuSiemens Lifebook P7100 with a 10.4" >screen. Its slow (1.2GHz, single core) and doesnt pack a lot of RAM (512Gb). >But I use it everywhere and for everything! Its great! Only problem is that >its physically rather fragile and non-waterproof! > >Id be loathe to have a portable computer as my only computer. Come to think >of it, I wouldnt have any computer as my only one. > >Per -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Wolfgang Lenerz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi Wolfgang, How exactly did you get Linux to co-exist with Windows XP ? >Hi Malcolm > >>> What are users experiences with portable computers ? >> >> Hi Malcolm >> >I presume that you'll get replies like mine: > >I have an Asus A 6000, not sure og the exact make in that range, about 2 >years old now (I think). >All I can say is that it works. >I recently installed Linux on it in addition to XP. >There again, it works, Linux recongnized the wireless not work card >without any problems. >However, I do have the same slow/repeating cursor problem on it (QPC >under wine) as others here on this list, problem I don't have on my main >machine at home. > >I'm not sure this will help you a lot, though. > >Wolfgang -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Firshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Thanks, Tony. Portables do not seem to be as reliable as they used to ... probably because of cheaper manufacture to meet an increasing specification. I have an Acer 233 on loan from work, and the screen on that failed when I recently returned it for an update. I was then simply given the use of another one. Which I can now configure with software myself although it is based on a mirror of the work network with Windows XP. And, as you say, the old 386 / 486's just keep on going ! >Malcolm Cadman wrote: > >> What are users experiences with portable computers ? >> >> Specification ... reliability ... features, etc . >> >Compaq Presario X1000 >60GB HD (upgraded to 120GB) >512MB ram >1.6 GHz Centrino >1680 x 1088 15.1" widescreen > > >Issues (in 3 years): >Original Fujitsu HD problems, but disk still in use in USB backup >AC inverter for screen tubes failed. £21 far east replacement. >Key IDs wear off > >Toshiba P100 >200GB HD >1440 x 900 17" widescreen >2GB ram >2.1GHz dual core >Gb network >Very very high current consumption (120W) but battery lasts a >respectable 2.5 hours >3 standard R/W DVD >Digital video > >Issues (in one year) > >. Replacement motherboard and graphics card under gtee >. Replacement of nasty orange cover with another nasty orange one (cracked) >. Some keys now unreadable - but not replaced when they did gtee work! >. Supplied media centre XP very slow. Replaced with std XP (by me). >. Sound card not supported by Ubuntu Linux- but *everything* else >worked. Must check to see if the known problem is resolved. > >I guess you will not want to know about my AST 386-25 that is still >working! That was used to design my first pcb projects. > >Tony -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Tubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >At 17:19 27/01/2008 +, you wrote: >>Hi, >> >>What are users experiences with portable computers ? > >Hi Malcolm > >That is a very broad question, can you narrow it ? > >Frankly I don't think I would want one of today's offerings - if you are >thinking of getting on I can give you a number of caveats. Could be easier >by phone rather than in novella form. Hi David, Twas meant to be vague ... :-) I am thinking of getting one equipped with Wi-fi for internet connection, so any thoughts would be welcome. Knowing the knowledge of this users group. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, P Witte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >Malcolm Cadman writes: > >> Hi, >> >> What are users experiences with portable computers ? >> >> Specification ... reliability ... features, etc . > >Depends what you want to use it for. Desktop replacement, just playing >about, or as a travelling companion. > >I have a tiny 2 year old FujistuSiemens Lifebook P7100 with a 10.4" >screen. Its slow (1.2GHz, single core) and doesnt pack a lot of RAM >(512Gb). But I use it everywhere and for everything! Its great! Only >problem is that its physically rather fragile and non-waterproof! > >Id be loathe to have a portable computer as my only computer. Come to >think of it, I wouldnt have any computer as my only one. > >Per Thanks Per. A lot of people are moving to having a portable computer as their only computer, and abandoning the desktop versions. Just for the convenience of use and not really occupying any desktop space, as they can be used on the lap and generally moved around. A friend of mine who has the Sky TV and Broad band package, uses a portable for the Broad band access. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
I was hesistant to do that too, but I've been using my Gateway Tablet PC as my primary PC for the past few months now and haven't looked back. When I bought it about a year ago I pretty much maxed it out, so it's not like I'm missing out on anything in regards to speed or features. Plus, it allows me to be anywhere in the house, which is important when you have a 3 and a 1 year old running about. My main desktop has remained untouched in the office in my basement for quite some time now. The only thing I haven't tried on the laptop as of yet is digital video production, but I have to do that soon anyway, so we'll see (there's no reason why it won't work just fine doing that). I really don't see much of any reason to be on a desktop for me anymore anyway, as I primarily game on consoles (most of what I enjoy on a PC runs just fine on a non-gamer maxed system) and I can do all my typical computer stuff just fine on my Tablet and then some (writing, development, etc.). I have a networked all-in-one printer and wireless everything, with everything else on plug-in-on-demand USB as well, so there are no issues with needing to be tethered in one specific spot. = Bill Loguidice, Managing Director Armchair Arcade, Inc. http://www.armchairarcade.com A PC Magazine Top 100 Website = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of P Witte Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences Malcolm Cadman writes: > Hi, > > What are users experiences with portable computers ? > > Specification ... reliability ... features, etc . Depends what you want to use it for. Desktop replacement, just playing about, or as a travelling companion. I have a tiny 2 year old FujistuSiemens Lifebook P7100 with a 10.4" screen. Its slow (1.2GHz, single core) and doesnt pack a lot of RAM (512Gb). But I use it everywhere and for everything! Its great! Only problem is that its physically rather fragile and non-waterproof! Id be loathe to have a portable computer as my only computer. Come to think of it, I wouldnt have any computer as my only one. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
Malcolm Cadman writes: > Hi, > > What are users experiences with portable computers ? > > Specification ... reliability ... features, etc . Depends what you want to use it for. Desktop replacement, just playing about, or as a travelling companion. I have a tiny 2 year old FujistuSiemens Lifebook P7100 with a 10.4" screen. Its slow (1.2GHz, single core) and doesnt pack a lot of RAM (512Gb). But I use it everywhere and for everything! Its great! Only problem is that its physically rather fragile and non-waterproof! Id be loathe to have a portable computer as my only computer. Come to think of it, I wouldnt have any computer as my only one. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
Hi Malcolm >> What are users experiences with portable computers ? > > Hi Malcolm > I presume that you'll get replies like mine: I have an Asus A 6000, not sure og the exact make in that range, about 2 years old now (I think). All I can say is that it works. I recently installed Linux on it in addition to XP. There again, it works, Linux recongnized the wireless not work card without any problems. However, I do have the same slow/repeating cursor problem on it (QPC under wine) as others here on this list, problem I don't have on my main machine at home. I'm not sure this will help you a lot, though. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
At 17:19 27/01/2008 +, you wrote: >Hi, > >What are users experiences with portable computers ? Hi Malcolm That is a very broad question, can you narrow it ? Frankly I don't think I would want one of today's offerings - if you are thinking of getting on I can give you a number of caveats. Could be easier by phone rather than in novella form. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
Malcolm Cadman wrote: > What are users experiences with portable computers ? > > Specification ... reliability ... features, etc . > Compaq Presario X1000 60GB HD (upgraded to 120GB) 512MB ram 1.6 GHz Centrino 1680 x 1088 15.1" widescreen Issues (in 3 years): Original Fujitsu HD problems, but disk still in use in USB backup AC inverter for screen tubes failed. £21 far east replacement. Key IDs wear off Toshiba P100 200GB HD 1440 x 900 17" widescreen 2GB ram 2.1GHz dual core Gb network Very very high current consumption (120W) but battery lasts a respectable 2.5 hours 3 standard R/W DVD Digital video Issues (in one year) . Replacement motherboard and graphics card under gtee . Replacement of nasty orange cover with another nasty orange one (cracked) . Some keys now unreadable - but not replaced when they did gtee work! . Supplied media centre XP very slow. Replaced with std XP (by me). . Sound card not supported by Ubuntu Linux- but *everything* else worked. Must check to see if the known problem is resolved. I guess you will not want to know about my AST 386-25 that is still working! That was used to design my first pcb projects. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Portable computers - experiences
Hi, What are users experiences with portable computers ? Specification ... reliability ... features, etc . -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
