Re: [Ql-Users] Punters
On 8 Oct 2007, at 12:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > What, exactly, is wrong with being a punter? Other than having to > stand at the back of a flat boat with a pole in one's hand :o) > The poling person stands on the flat end of the punt in one of the two real punting places and the sloping end in the other. Anyway - I suggest "hoi polloi" as a replacement for pr. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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>>I was never there myself, but I do so enjoy the monuments and such >>like >>- most impressive. > > Umm ... and I thought time travel was nothing for a fellow like you > ... > :-) Remember that QL Today cartoon a few years ago, with Norman even dreaming in binary ;-)) -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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>> I don't know, I have a VERY hard time taking this subject >> seriously at all. >> >> Wolfgang >> > > Same for me: there definitely must be some differences in the brains > on the Island vs continent! (no offense meant: without the big > island > we would not have the QL!) > > Arnould Just dismiss it all as being British and don't worry about it any more! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 21:01 10/10/2007 +0100, you wrote: > >Same for me: there definitely must be some differences in the brains > >on the Island vs continent! (no offense meant: without the big island > >we would not have the QL!) > >There is no offence. This really concerns the finer nuances of a word I too immediately thought "nuance" then a word from over there - how drole - ditto ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "Arnould" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters >> I don't know, I have a VERY hard time taking this subject >> seriously at all. > > Wolfgang > >Same for me: there definitely must be some differences in the brains >on the Island vs continent! (no offense meant: without the big island >we would not have the QL!) There is no offence. This really concerns the finer nuances of a word and therefore is of little concern to non-native English speakers. I have a a stock of phrases to completely confuse foreigners about the state of British brains. This one even had the English foxed at the Hove AGM, but not a Welshman at Birmingham: "In Bristol they call them Cardiffs". Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >Hi Malcolm, > >>> Not entirely frazzled the old brain then ( in the heat )... ? ... :-) >Not any more than usual I'm afraid - I tend to always be frazzled these >days. ;-) So, some more articles on machine code could be on the way ... ? >>> I envy you the visit ... Ancient Egypt has always been a favourite >>> period of mine. >I was never there myself, but I do so enjoy the monuments and such like >- most impressive. Umm ... and I thought time travel was nothing for a fellow like you ... :-) >>> I do a project at school which uses the background research on a tumbler >>> style lock that the Ancient Egyptians invented - made from wood - which >>> is closely identical to the modern tumbler lock - Yale type lock. >I've either seen it or a replica some years back - nothing new under >the sun is there? Nope ... :-) . especially the hot sun in Egypt . >>> A main difference is that they didn't invent the use of the spring >>> inside the lock. >Who needs a spring when you have gravity? Indeed, exactly what they did employ as a force of nature. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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OK, John, one will be snail-mailing its way to you soon. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: "John Gilpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters Hi Dilwyn, No I didn't get a review copy of QL on a stick at Solihull and none of the committee members reported that they had been given one. I would like a copy and will try it out and report back although the current version of the QUANTA Magazine is already in draft form so it may have to wait until the next issue. John Gilpin. QUANTA Treasurer. - Original Message - From: "Dilwyn Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "QL Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters Not yet, there will be on some information on my website later in the week. Basically, it's a CD containing 3 emulators for Windows (QLay2, QemuLator shareware version and QPC2 demo version). It also contains a few sample QL programs (Turbo, Go!, S_Edit editor, and a text file viewer) plus a couple of Windows utilitities (WXQT2 PC-QL file transfer and QStripper for converting Quill DOC files to text/html/PDF/Docbook XML). QLay2 comes complete with a couple of DOS/Windows programs to help with file transfer between QL and PC as well. The idea is that you copy the CD to a USB pen drive of your choice (minimum free space needed on the pen drive is about 80MB, so a 128MB or greater USB pen drive is recommended. Once that's done, you can carry it around with you to plug into any PC with a USB port, so you have a truly portable "QL" you can carry around with you on a keyring if you wish! The CD version is available from me for 5 pounds, including UK postage, or add £1 for overseas postage. It will be available from Darren Branagh at Q-Celt Computing in Ireland, although I don't know if he intends to supply it on CD to keep costs down and allow people to choose their own pen drive, or if he intends to try to find a cheap source of drives to supply them completely ready to go. The "QL On A Stick" CD was formally launched at the Quanta workshop in Birmingham last saturday and quite well received - I issued several copies at the show and review copies are with QL Today, although I don't know if Quanta actually got their review copy in the end, it got a bit hectic at one stage! (John Gilpin - if reading this can you let me know if you got a copy for review on saturday). Hope that helps for now, until I get the info files in place on my website. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: "Bill Loguidice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > Is there more information somewhere about the QL-on-a-stick? > > > = > Bill Loguidice, Managing Director > Armchair Arcade, Inc. > http://www.armchairarcade.com > A PC Magazine Top 100 Website > = > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hitchies > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > > Norman wrote... > > "Who needs a spring when you have gravity?" > > Please send me some (in green please) Norman! > > Thus, Malcolm wrote... > > I guess it also helps to be slightly mad ... :-) > > John in Wales (not raining) > "Attendee" > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: > 09/10/2007 16:43 > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: 09/10/2007 16:43 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:06:12 +0200, Wolf wrote > gwicks a écrit : > > > > > I would repeat yet again. My main purpose is to raise this as a serious > > matter, and on the whole the discussion has had the right balance of serious > > comment, humour and passion, > > I don't know, I have a VERY hard time taking this subject > seriously at all. > > Wolfgang > Same for me: there definitely must be some differences in the brains on the Island vs continent! (no offense meant: without the big island we would not have the QL!) Arnould ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "Bill Loguidice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > Is there more information somewhere about the QL-on-a-stick? > We also hope to have a review in QL Today and I see from another message on the list that the Quanta Magazine are planning a review as well. However that will mean a little patience in both cases, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dilwyn Jones wrote: > The CD version is available from me for 5 pounds, including UK > postage, or add £1 for overseas postage. It will be available from > Darren Branagh at Q-Celt Computing in Ireland, although I don't know > if he intends to supply it on CD to keep costs down and allow people > to choose their own pen drive, or if he intends to try to find a cheap > source of drives to supply them completely ready to go. > > > HI Dil, I hadn't thought about it much, but I suppose I can give people the option of either CD or Pen Drive with files installed. I will have pricing for the USB drives at the weekend, (meeting on of the guys in the distrbutors for a drink anyway) so will report back then. It shouldn't be too expensive at all. Also, copying to a USB Stick is far less time consuming that burning CD's :-) In the meantime, if there is any interest, email me privately. Cheers, Darren. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Dilwyn, No I didn't get a review copy of QL on a stick at Solihull and none of the committee members reported that they had been given one. I would like a copy and will try it out and report back although the current version of the QUANTA Magazine is already in draft form so it may have to wait until the next issue. John Gilpin. QUANTA Treasurer. - Original Message - From: "Dilwyn Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "QL Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters Not yet, there will be on some information on my website later in the week. Basically, it's a CD containing 3 emulators for Windows (QLay2, QemuLator shareware version and QPC2 demo version). It also contains a few sample QL programs (Turbo, Go!, S_Edit editor, and a text file viewer) plus a couple of Windows utilitities (WXQT2 PC-QL file transfer and QStripper for converting Quill DOC files to text/html/PDF/Docbook XML). QLay2 comes complete with a couple of DOS/Windows programs to help with file transfer between QL and PC as well. The idea is that you copy the CD to a USB pen drive of your choice (minimum free space needed on the pen drive is about 80MB, so a 128MB or greater USB pen drive is recommended. Once that's done, you can carry it around with you to plug into any PC with a USB port, so you have a truly portable "QL" you can carry around with you on a keyring if you wish! The CD version is available from me for 5 pounds, including UK postage, or add £1 for overseas postage. It will be available from Darren Branagh at Q-Celt Computing in Ireland, although I don't know if he intends to supply it on CD to keep costs down and allow people to choose their own pen drive, or if he intends to try to find a cheap source of drives to supply them completely ready to go. The "QL On A Stick" CD was formally launched at the Quanta workshop in Birmingham last saturday and quite well received - I issued several copies at the show and review copies are with QL Today, although I don't know if Quanta actually got their review copy in the end, it got a bit hectic at one stage! (John Gilpin - if reading this can you let me know if you got a copy for review on saturday). Hope that helps for now, until I get the info files in place on my website. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: "Bill Loguidice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > Is there more information somewhere about the QL-on-a-stick? > > > = > Bill Loguidice, Managing Director > Armchair Arcade, Inc. > http://www.armchairarcade.com > A PC Magazine Top 100 Website > = > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hitchies > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > > Norman wrote... > > "Who needs a spring when you have gravity?" > > Please send me some (in green please) Norman! > > Thus, Malcolm wrote... > > I guess it also helps to be slightly mad ... :-) > > John in Wales (not raining) > "Attendee" > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: > 09/10/2007 16:43 > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Not yet, there will be on some information on my website later in the week. Basically, it's a CD containing 3 emulators for Windows (QLay2, QemuLator shareware version and QPC2 demo version). It also contains a few sample QL programs (Turbo, Go!, S_Edit editor, and a text file viewer) plus a couple of Windows utilitities (WXQT2 PC-QL file transfer and QStripper for converting Quill DOC files to text/html/PDF/Docbook XML). QLay2 comes complete with a couple of DOS/Windows programs to help with file transfer between QL and PC as well. The idea is that you copy the CD to a USB pen drive of your choice (minimum free space needed on the pen drive is about 80MB, so a 128MB or greater USB pen drive is recommended. Once that's done, you can carry it around with you to plug into any PC with a USB port, so you have a truly portable "QL" you can carry around with you on a keyring if you wish! The CD version is available from me for 5 pounds, including UK postage, or add £1 for overseas postage. It will be available from Darren Branagh at Q-Celt Computing in Ireland, although I don't know if he intends to supply it on CD to keep costs down and allow people to choose their own pen drive, or if he intends to try to find a cheap source of drives to supply them completely ready to go. The "QL On A Stick" CD was formally launched at the Quanta workshop in Birmingham last saturday and quite well received - I issued several copies at the show and review copies are with QL Today, although I don't know if Quanta actually got their review copy in the end, it got a bit hectic at one stage! (John Gilpin - if reading this can you let me know if you got a copy for review on saturday). Hope that helps for now, until I get the info files in place on my website. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: "Bill Loguidice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > Is there more information somewhere about the QL-on-a-stick? > > > = > Bill Loguidice, Managing Director > Armchair Arcade, Inc. > http://www.armchairarcade.com > A PC Magazine Top 100 Website > = > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hitchies > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:33 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > > Norman wrote... > > "Who needs a spring when you have gravity?" > > Please send me some (in green please) Norman! > > Thus, Malcolm wrote... > > I guess it also helps to be slightly mad ... :-) > > John in Wales (not raining) > "Attendee" > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: > 09/10/2007 16:43 > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Is there more information somewhere about the QL-on-a-stick? = Bill Loguidice, Managing Director Armchair Arcade, Inc. http://www.armchairarcade.com A PC Magazine Top 100 Website = -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hitchies Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters Norman wrote... "Who needs a spring when you have gravity?" Please send me some (in green please) Norman! Thus, Malcolm wrote... I guess it also helps to be slightly mad ... :-) John in Wales (not raining) "Attendee" ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman wrote... "Who needs a spring when you have gravity?" Please send me some (in green please) Norman! Thus, Malcolm wrote... I guess it also helps to be slightly mad ... :-) John in Wales (not raining) "Attendee" ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Malcolm, >> Not entirely frazzled the old brain then ( in the heat )... ? ... :-) Not any more than usual I'm afraid - I tend to always be frazzled these days. ;-) >> I envy you the visit ... Ancient Egypt has always been a favourite >> period of mine. I was never there myself, but I do so enjoy the monuments and such like - most impressive. >> I do a project at school which uses the background research on a tumbler >> style lock that the Ancient Egyptians invented - made from wood - which >> is closely identical to the modern tumbler lock - Yale type lock. I've either seen it or a replica some years back - nothing new under the sun is there? >> A main difference is that they didn't invent the use of the spring >> inside the lock. Who needs a spring when you have gravity? Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Roy, I intended to come and help Dilwyn with QL on a Stick, and Steve Reyal wanted to go too. My wife works weekends, only for about 4 hours in the mornings, but its the busiest time of the week and seldom gets weekends off. and with two kids I couldn't leave them alone - its almost impossible to find babysitters out here. I miss the shows a lot. The joys of Fatherhood. Still I wouldn't change it for the world. Yes, looks like I'll have to get the finger out for an Irish Show - "Inebriation Eireann IV" I think... Anyone any preferences as to when ??? Cheers, Darren. Roy wood wrote: > Hi, > I thought that you were going to comer to Birmingham. I was > looking forward to seeing you. You have to arrange an Irish show now. > There Are at least 5 people.who will come over. > > Regards > Roy > > > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Darren Branagh - > Kingfisher Club <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >> Roy wood wrote: The problem is I cannot think of a suitable alternative that also conveys the sort of atmosphere we have at shows, >>> 'Billys' or, as Stuart would have it 'the great unwashed' >>> >> Ahhh, I miss Stuart, he really had a way with words at times. I remember >> he christened the first Irish QL Show "Inebriation Eireann" at the end >> of the first day - mind you, he was fairly inebriated himself at the >> time >> >> Darren. >> >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm >> > ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >On a slightly different note, I must say that I find this list very >'exciting'. I remember when it was restricted to pure QL topics and >while interesting and thoughtful, it seemed a bit 'staid' at times. > >Now that we tend to drift ever so slightly off topic from time to time, >it feels more homely and fun. Anyone disagree? All a part of the fun ... I guess it also helps to be slightly mad ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Hi Norman, Not entirely frazzled the old brain then ( in the heat )... ? ... :-) I envy you the visit ... Ancient Egypt has always been a favourite period of mine. I do a project at school which uses the background research on a tumbler style lock that the Ancient Egyptians invented - made from wood - which is closely identical to the modern tumbler lock - Yale type lock. A main difference is that they didn't invent the use of the spring inside the lock. >Hi Malcolm, > >>> Whereas ALL ql_users, as we know, are very erudite ... :-) >Indeed we are ! > >>> >>Norman. (Back from Egypt, and only slightly burned.) >>> Umm ... it must have been hot ... ! > >Yes it was. 14 days all of which were 40 degrees (C) plus, or, in old >money, over 104 degrees F. > > >Cheers, >Norman. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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gwicks a écrit : > > I would repeat yet again. My main purpose is to raise this as a serious > matter, and on the whole the discussion has had the right balance of serious > comment, humour and passion, I don't know, I have a VERY hard time taking this subject seriously at all. Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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>I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as >an > "attendee" at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his > nautical > ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his life. I'd have just said "visitor" myself. But I can't see anything wrong with using "attendee" in fact. Ask him what he wants to be called, he can't sue you then ;-) -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hello again Geoff, >> Also on my part there was no intention to accuse you or anyone else of >> personal critcism of the person in question. I just thought we could be >> going in a dangerous direction in which some readers might just draw this >> conclusion. None taken Geoff - no need to apologise. Now the question has to be, have all us punters turned into apologists :o) Or, should we not go down that route? On a slightly different note, I must say that I find this list very 'exciting'. I remember when it was restricted to pure QL topics and while interesting and thoughtful, it seemed a bit 'staid' at times. Now that we tend to drift ever so slightly off topic from time to time, it feels more homely and fun. Anyone disagree? Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Malcolm, >> Whereas ALL ql_users, as we know, are very erudite ... :-) Indeed we are ! >> >>Norman. (Back from Egypt, and only slightly burned.) >> Umm ... it must have been hot ... ! Yes it was. 14 days all of which were 40 degrees (C) plus, or, in old money, over 104 degrees F. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "David Tubbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters >I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as an > "attendee" at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his nautical > ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his life. > > Pity he is not a reader of this list, nor of dictionaries it would seem. > > There is nothing nautical about a punt, dangerous on the briny. > Any grammatical fault is mine - a bad precis of what was written to me. > This is a serious matter. Over the years the term "punter" has been used > for the non-traders, non-Quanta committee members who attend workshops. It > does have derogatory connotations, but I find "attendee" far to formal a > word. > > If there is anything deprecatory about the term it is of the traders, > suggesting as it does that anything on offer is a bit wager, will it work > or not. > Good point. I think this is one reason why I have doubts about the term. > At 14:16 08/10/2007 +0100, you wrote: >>An important part of the planning of QL is 21 was a "lady's programme". On >>the website I wanted to use the term "partner programme", which I felt was >>the better modern usage. JM objected to this. Sarah Gilpin held us >>figuratively apart and tactfully suggested "guest programme", which is >>what >>we used, > > Suggests to me she or the guest of indeterminate gender was on their own, > a > game of patience perhaps ? > > Or was "partner programme" a dating game ? > What a good idea for a future workshop! In an email last week I described the attendance of the complete Quanta committee as "The Full Monty". I was amused to read on the hotel's website today that the room we had can accommodate 15 people for a cabaret performance. BTW a pity you could not make it on Saturday. It is always interesting to meet someone with whom you have occasionally sparred. And thanks to all those people who did attend. You gave both Quanta and myself a huge morale boost, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > Hi Geoff, > >>> Just a word of caution. Please be careful in your assumptions about >>> the person who raised the matter with me. It is someone I have known >>> for many years and for whom I have a good deal of respect. This is >>> the reason I have raised the matter on this list. > > Well, hopefully I didn't make any assumptions in my assorted rants - I was > ranting in general and not at any one person in person. I do not know who > the 'objector' was and certainly cannot make any assumptions about that > person at all. > > If, on the other hand, my email(s) were taken to have assumed something > about the person, then I apologise unreservedly as that was not my > intention. > Also on my part there was no intention to accuse you or anyone else of personal critcism of the person in question. I just thought we could be going in a dangerous direction in which some readers might just draw this conclusion. I would repeat yet again. My main purpose is to raise this as a serious matter, and on the whole the discussion has had the right balance of serious comment, humour and passion, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes >There is nothing abusive in being called a punter and I'm happy to be >one, because, I am one. If other people complain about being a punter >then they are either far too sensitive or have had PC rammed down their >throats to a horrendous degree. > >What, exactly, is wrong with being a punter? Other than having to stand >at the back of a flat boat with a pole in one's hand :o) > > >END RANT. Nice to hear the RANT ... :-) ... I guess one of the problems with punter is its connotation with horse racing and losing one's shirt ( all of your money ), by being gullible. Whereas ALL ql_users, as we know, are very erudite ... :-) >I don't do PC I'm afraid (actually, I'm not afraid) - I call a spayed a >cat that's been to the vets! (ok that was a tidied up version !) > >Cheers, >Norman. (Back from Egypt, and only slightly burned.) Umm ... it must have been hot ... ! -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as an "attendee" at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his nautical ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his life. Pity he is not a reader of this list, nor of dictionaries it would seem. There is nothing nautical about a punt, dangerous on the briny. This is a serious matter. Over the years the term "punter" has been used for the non-traders, non-Quanta committee members who attend workshops. It does have derogatory connotations, but I find "attendee" far to formal a word. If there is anything deprecatory about the term it is of the traders, suggesting as it does that anything on offer is a bit wager, will it work or not. At 14:16 08/10/2007 +0100, you wrote: >An important part of the planning of QL is 21 was a "lady's programme". On >the website I wanted to use the term "partner programme", which I felt was >the better modern usage. JM objected to this. Sarah Gilpin held us >figuratively apart and tactfully suggested "guest programme", which is what >we used, Suggests to me she or the guest of indeterminate gender was on their own, a game of patience perhaps ? Or was "partner programme" a dating game ? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Geoff, >> Just a word of caution. Please be careful in your assumptions about >> the person who raised the matter with me. It is someone I have known >> for many years and for whom I have a good deal of respect. This is >> the reason I have raised the matter on this list. Well, hopefully I didn't make any assumptions in my assorted rants - I was ranting in general and not at any one person in person. I do not know who the 'objector' was and certainly cannot make any assumptions about that person at all. If, on the other hand, my email(s) were taken to have assumed something about the person, then I apologise unreservedly as that was not my intention. My intention was to 'vent spleen' on a matter which seems to have taken over modern life in the UK and elsewhere for no apparent reason. It appears to me, and others, that the only people who can now be offended almost at will are white, male, heterosexuals - everyone else has a 'guardian DG' looking after their interests. :o) Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Thanks to all the people who have joined in this discussion. There have been some really good replies. Please keep them coming in. Just a word of caution. Please be careful in your assumptions about the person who raised the matter with me. It is someone I have known for many years and for whom I have a good deal of respect. This is the reason I have raised the matter on this list. If he were a pain in the "parts of the human anatomy that it would not be correct for me to mention by name on list inhabited by such sensitive souls as subscribe to this one", I would have ignored him. At the moment for want of a better alternative I shall stick to "punter". It is probably now safe to reveal a nasty outbreak of Quanta PC at QL is 21. It was the nearest I have ever been to a stand up confrontation with JM, and you may judge for yourself which of the two of us was the most politically correct. An important part of the planning of QL is 21 was a "lady's programme". On the website I wanted to use the term "partner programme", which I felt was the better modern usage. JM objected to this. Sarah Gilpin held us figuratively apart and tactfully suggested "guest programme", which is what we used, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Tony, >> ...The Victorians >> changed that to "... a heart full of mirth". And lets not foget Dr Foster : Dr Foster Went to Gloucester ... He stepped in a PUDDLE Right up to his MIDDLE Generations of children have been puzzled by that one. It seems that the original word - PIDDLE - used to mean a small stream. When it became slang for a bodily function (don't we get hung up on bodily functions in the UK?) the DGs in those dys changed it to puddle. As I mentioned in a previous rant, these people need to get out more :o) Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dear oh dear. > > BEGIN RANT ... > > I really get 'teed' off with Political (bloody) Correctness. What a complete > pile of crud that subject is. > > For example, a black, Somalian, Muslim friend of mine (George Bush must > really hate him) hates being called 'coloured' because, as he says, he is > black. Not only that, he used to collect the Golliwogs from jam jars. He is > not offended by being called black nor is he offended by black boards, black > balls, black marks or anything else with black in it. > The song "Old Man River" in Showboat had originally "... niggers all work while de white folk play". That has been sensitised to ""... coloured folk work ". Christina Rosetti wrote, in her poem used by Harold Darke for the hymn "In the bleak midwinter", " ... a breastful of milk". The Victorians changed that to "... a heart full of mirth". Daft, Tony - -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHCh3fM3RzOs8+btoRAoZwAJ9IkbSneX/8pT6ZyTSZ614HaIbDRgCfbt+N WuYq2PDpI/mk9k6U64fVXUg= =UZ4b -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Arnold, >>I used to have a shop and we referred to the people who attended our >> shop as customers, people who attend market places, boot stalls etc, >> are referred to as punters. I was always of the opinion, probably wrong, that customers were people who brought 'you' (ie the shop keepers etc) custom. A punter is just a general term for the crowds of people attending an event - I think it may stem from betting parlance where to punt is to bet and those who punt are punters. The English Language (and others too) is advancing (well, mostly advancing, Text Speak is a retrograde step in my opinion) and the term came to mean (or be accepted as) the public attending an event of some sort. Then the do-gooders got hold of it and tried to make us feel guilty about (a) being a punter or (b) using the term to describe a punter. It's worse in Australia. There is a bird - a Gallah (Spelling may be wrong) but it's a Rose breasted Cockatoo now. The DGs down under decided that because the term Gallah was being used to describe an 'idiot' that it shouldn't be taught to kids any more, so the bird was renamed to the Rose Breasted Cockatoo. Unfortunately, that name offended some other DGs who decided that you cannot teach kids to say 'breasted' because it is rude. Trust me, the parrots don't care what they are called and people in Oz still call them Gallahs! I suspect some people (ie, the DGs) have far too much time on their hands and they need to get out more. :o) Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi John, (In Wales) >> Before I vote, I'm waiting to read what we get when we Dunbar-it! Dunbar IT - that's my company name :o) As for my thoughts on the matter - see my previous rant, I think that should cover it. Cheers, Norman. (not in Wales) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dear oh dear. BEGIN RANT ... I really get 'teed' off with Political (bloody) Correctness. What a complete pile of crud that subject is. For example, a black, Somalian, Muslim friend of mine (George Bush must really hate him) hates being called 'coloured' because, as he says, he is black. Not only that, he used to collect the Golliwogs from jam jars. He is not offended by being called black nor is he offended by black boards, black balls, black marks or anything else with black in it. He is not offended by Christians having Christmas, Easter or any other religious festivals - and neither are any of his friends and family. What does offend him are, to use his own words, "all these do-gooders and social workers who shove their noses into other people's business and make a problem where there wasn't one before". As he is quick to point out, if it is offensive (to black people) for a black board to be called black, why is it not offensive (to whites) for a white board to be called white? You can't have it both ways! He is one of the most helpful, friendly and nicest people you are ever likely to meet. There is nothing abusive in being called a punter and I'm happy to be one, because, I am one. If other people complain about being a punter then they are either far too sensitive or have had PC rammed down their throats to a horrendous degree. What, exactly, is wrong with being a punter? Other than having to stand at the back of a flat boat with a pole in one's hand :o) END RANT. I don't do PC I'm afraid (actually, I'm not afraid) - I call a spayed a cat that's been to the vets! (ok that was a tidied up version !) Cheers, Norman. (Back from Egypt, and only slightly burned.) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Roy wood wrote: >> The problem is I cannot think of a suitable alternative that also conveys >> the sort of atmosphere we have at shows, >> > 'Billys' or, as Stuart would have it 'the great unwashed' > Ahhh, I miss Stuart, he really had a way with words at times. I remember he christened the first Irish QL Show "Inebriation Eireann" at the end of the first day - mind you, he was fairly inebriated himself at the time Darren. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi, I used to have a shop and we referred to the people who attended our shop as customers, people who attend market places, boot stalls etc, are referred to as punters. Arnold ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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"punters"...? it's a bit shady Arfur Dailee. Before I vote, I'm waiting to read what we get when we Dunbar-it! When speaking English in Wales we say "bloke" & "blokes" unless, in the feminine case, when it is "blokess" & "blokesses". The Welsh have a word "saeson". This is often (mis)used to mean "that other lot,of uncertain origins". So let's adopt that !! :-) Next contributor I'll punt, will be Dilwyn?! John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I had no idea that the work "punter" was slightly offensive, nor that it would be used to refer to attendees. When I hear the the term, I just think about the position in American Football. Now, "to punt" has common usage, meaning to pass one to someone else. Tim Swenson ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes > >In a message dated 07/10/2007 18:12:58 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >writes: > >Actually I am not being facetious about the use of the word "punter". I wote >in a light-hearted way, but I think the person concerned is making a fair >point, and we should be sensitive to it. In that case you have to be sensitive to everything some half cocked loony takes offence to and where does that leave you? Straight in PC territory and we know how well PCs are appreciated here. > >The problem is I cannot think of a suitable alternative that also conveys >the sort of atmosphere we have at shows, 'Billys' or, as Stuart would have it 'the great unwashed' -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 skype : royqbranch web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In a message dated 07/10/2007 18:12:58 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I am not being facetious about the use of the word "punter". I wote in a light-hearted way, but I think the person concerned is making a fair point, and we should be sensitive to it. The problem is I cannot think of a suitable alternative that also conveys the sort of atmosphere we have at shows, Best Wishes, Geoff Actually what's wrong with QLer, QL enthusiast, QL Hobbyist, QL supporter, QList, QLuser, QL individualist. The editor of QLToday might be contempating a competition to discover the correct terms for a single QL user or an pack of them, like a pride of Lions etc, - like a QLutch of Qlers. Clearly punter is a cliched descriptor which may be applied to an individual who is expected to part whith hard cash during an event of any sort and is therefore totally inadequate to adequately describe the quality of the individualists who continue to support QL systems. Duncan ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Malcolm Cadman wrote: > In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gwicks > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > I do not like "punter" either ... as it also reminds me of those > phone-in Shows on TV, where the supposed prizes have already been > assigned. > Why not enthusiasts ( much more positive ) or visitors ( quite neutral ) > ... ? >>I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as >>an "attendee" at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his >>nautical ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his >>life. >>This is a serious matter. Over the years the term "punter" has been >>used for the non-traders, non-Quanta committee members who attend >>workshops. It does have derogatory connotations, but I find "attendee" >>far to formal a word. >>Can anyone suggest a better word than "punter", but no so formal as >>"attendee", >>Best Wishes, >>Geoff Frank and I used to call them, the general public, as a distinction for those who were on the 'other side of the tables' :-) For once we too were among the mingling masses jostling elbows side by side with the eager horde gazing and lusting for goods and services to feed our newly discovered computing interests. -- Paul Holmgren 2 57 300-C's in Indy Hoosier Corps L#6 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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- Original Message - From: "John Gilpin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > It isn't very often that Quanta agrees with Geoff Wicks: Is this a subtle Quanta plot to destroy my reputation? Actually I am not being facetious about the use of the word "punter". I wote in a light-hearted way, but I think the person concerned is making a fair point, and we should be sensitive to it. The problem is I cannot think of a suitable alternative that also conveys the sort of atmosphere we have at shows, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, gwicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I do not like "punter" either ... as it also reminds me of those phone-in Shows on TV, where the supposed prizes have already been assigned. Why not enthusiasts ( much more positive ) or visitors ( quite neutral ) ... ? >I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as >an "attendee" at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his >nautical ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his >life. > >This is a serious matter. Over the years the term "punter" has been >used for the non-traders, non-Quanta committee members who attend >workshops. It does have derogatory connotations, but I find "attendee" >far to formal a word. > >Can anyone suggest a better word than "punter", but no so formal as "attendee", > >Best Wishes, > > >Geoff -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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It isn't very often that Quanta agrees with Geoff Wicks but the definitions in my Dictionary for the word "punter" includes the following: 'a person who gambles or lays a bet; a customer or client, a member of an audience; a participant in any activity' none of which are in any way derogatory. I can also offer the following words as having similar meaning: 'better, gamester, player, spectator, customer, buyer, shopper, client, patron, chap, person, individual, man (or woman) in the street. (Colloq - guy, Slang - geezer, bloke)' I would agree, Geoff that punter would describe the attendees of the event this weekend quite well.. (I admit that there may be other meanings of the word which have less polite meanings but if each word had to be analyzed before we used it in case we caused offence, we would probably stop speaking completely!!) - Its probably "Just Words" Great workshop and nice to see so many "people" there. See you all at the next one? Regards, John Gilpin. - Original Message - From: "Tony Firshman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Punters > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > gwicks wrote: >> I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as an >> "attendee" at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his nautical >> ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his life. >> >> This is a serious matter. Over the years the term "punter" has been used >> for the non-traders, non-Quanta committee members who attend workshops. >> It does have derogatory connotations, but I find "attendee" far to formal >> a word. >> >> Can anyone suggest a better word than "punter", but no so formal as >> "attendee", >> > I will stick to punter. I don't see anything derogatory in being called > that (8-)# > > Tony > > > - -- > QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk > Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman >TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHCOWXM3RzOs8+btoRAvgzAKCDtzxwN23Rq/xdwB52cxPF25aSggCfYzQL > JYrX+yen377Eyvr2FpeTH84= > =CXQi > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 gwicks wrote: > I have been severely rebuked by a gentleman who wishes to be known as an > "attendee" at the Birmingham Workshop. He assures me that his nautical > ambitions are zero and that he has never been on a punt in his life. > > This is a serious matter. Over the years the term "punter" has been used for > the non-traders, non-Quanta committee members who attend workshops. It does > have derogatory connotations, but I find "attendee" far to formal a word. > > Can anyone suggest a better word than "punter", but no so formal as > "attendee", > I will stick to punter. I don't see anything derogatory in being called that (8-)# Tony - -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHCOWXM3RzOs8+btoRAvgzAKCDtzxwN23Rq/xdwB52cxPF25aSggCfYzQL JYrX+yen377Eyvr2FpeTH84= =CXQi -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
