Re: [ql-users] README_TXT
- Original Message - From: Gerhard Plavec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] README_TXT Simply enter 1 REM ...and your text... then SAVE file (enter NEW first to be sure there is no programm loaded) that is a result-oriented practical proposal, thanks! Probably will make use of it - because some of those programs are not self-explaining and then it is good to have the notes close to them for a possible 10 years later session. On the other hand i still wonder if something like the elegant pipelining of the copy con readme.txt (that MSDOS admittedly had stolen from unix) also can be done with input echo on under QDOS. Have a nice Sunday! Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] README_TXT
Gerhard Plavec schrieb: . Problems by not properly closed files is a typically windoof problem... oops... feature :) Such problems are rare with QDOS (microdrives not included :) hmm i think qdos closes them for you - otherwise you could not view them?!? wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Toolkit II
- Original Message - From: Daniele Terdina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: [ql-users] Toolkit II I don't think there is potential for selling copies of TK2 anymore, nor that a freely available TK2 would hurt SMSQ/E, as SMSQ/E is so much more advanced and caters to a different type of users. A public statement about TK2 being free for non-commercial use would benefit users of emulators that are interested in running early QL programs requiring TK2 extensions, and at the same time preserve copies of the TK2 for its historical and educational value. Thank you Daniele for raising the subject - it is for sure on behalf of people such as me who came much later into contact with the QL, want to learn something about how it works or just play around with it for a while. If I look back at my very first steps into QL world then the most valuable ressources from the beginning on were probably QLAY and the website with QL documentation by Dilwyn Jones (because my first real QL, purchased through ebay, came without a manual). I still appreciate Qlay very much as a good starting point - it would have been an incredible starting point for newcomers if it was packaged with a TK2 rom and a documentation for both the bare QL plus TK2 commands as PDF document! That raises another question: are the copyrights for QL manual and for TK2 manual in the hands of the same persons as those for the QDOS / TK2 software itself? Kind Regards, Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Toolkit II
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:34:38 +0200, Michael Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Daniele Terdina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:28 PM Subject: [ql-users] Toolkit II I don't think there is potential for selling copies of TK2 anymore, nor that a freely available TK2 would hurt SMSQ/E, as SMSQ/E is so much more advanced and caters to a different type of users. A public statement about TK2 being free for non-commercial use would benefit users of emulators that are interested in running early QL programs requiring TK2 extensions, and at the same time preserve copies of the TK2 for its historical and educational value. Thank you Daniele for raising the subject - it is for sure on behalf of people such as me who came much later into contact with the QL, want to learn something about how it works or just play around with it for a while. If I look back at my very first steps into QL world then the most valuable ressources from the beginning on were probably QLAY and the website with QL documentation by Dilwyn Jones (because my first real QL, purchased through ebay, came without a manual). I still appreciate Qlay very much as a good starting point - it would have been an incredible starting point for newcomers if it was packaged with a TK2 rom and a documentation for both the bare QL plus TK2 commands as PDF document! That raises another question: are the copyrights for QL manual and for TK2 manual in the hands of the same persons as those for the QDOS / TK2 software itself? Kind Regards, Michael Look here: URL:http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/copyright/protect_expiry.htm here: URL:http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/copyright/what.htm and here: URL:http://www.intellectual-property.gov.uk/std/faq/copyright/exceptions.htm Of course regarding the manuals, theoretically they are still copyrighted at least until 2008 however due to permission given by Amstrad plc. they can be distributed (like the ROMs) provided Amstrad's copyright is mentioned. In any case they would be distributable as they would fall under fair use (Educational and referential mainly - since they are not available anyway and they weren't for sale to begin with). TK2 copyright will not expire until at least 2010 (I believe that it was made available in 1985) however IIRC TK2 has been released to the public by TT... Of course I may be wrong on the latter. (TT?) QDOS and TK2 are copyrighted by different entities AFAIK... As QDOS belongs to Amstrad plc (Sinclair that is but all rights were sold to them therefore it's Amstrad) and TT was acting as their agent (of course that's subject to his individual agreement with Sinclair Research so only he can actually tell us :-) ) regardless of what percentage of QDOS was written by him (ie SuperBasic is the work of Jan Jones) it falls under a different category of intellectual property law. The general rule on that is: If you're contracted/working for a company unless specified otherwise, the work produced while working for the company belongs to the company and not you... ie. the laurels of creation belong to you but it's purely academic and has not bearing in determination of financial ownership... On the other hand SMSQ/e, TK2, the PE etc belong to TT (and any other persons that contributed to that work which were independent of Sinclair Research at the time - of course always subject to individual agreements within QJump's confines which again only TT would know- so for all purposes TK2, PE, SMSQ/e etc are (c) Tony Tebby ) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Toolkit II
TK2 copyright will not expire until at least 2010 (I believe that it was made available in 1985) however IIRC TK2 has been released to the public by TT... Of course I may be wrong on the latter. (TT?) IIRC the TK2 version that is on Dylwin's emulators CDROM is OK to use with emulators. I had asked this TT and Jochen, but Dylwin should know better. Arnould ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] README_TXT
Another way to create a 'quick and dirty' text files is with OPEN_NEW and PRINT# OPEN_NEW#3,filename PRINT #3,'A line of text' CLOSE #3 A bit clumsy, but OK for making a very short text file without needing an editor. -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: Michael Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] README_TXT Thank you all for your comments. Just tried on the real QL, something such as copy con_ to ram1_test the magic number is 27314 CTRL + Space afterwards I can see the text file using the TK2 command VIEW. The only thing I miss is input echo, I have to type blindly (and as all of you know the QL keyboard is somewhat $%?(/#) Is there a way to perform such an action with input echo turned on? This experiment suggests QDOS does not need an EOF character (which IIRC is not a char that sits there as a byte of the file but is rather a command to close the file under MSDOS) In case the file would not have been properly closed on the disk - does QDOS or TK2 have an utility to check for the integrity of a disk (something comparable to CHKDSK from the MSDOS world)? Best regards Michael ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Toolkit II
I don't think there is potential for selling copies of TK2 anymore, nor that a freely available TK2 would hurt SMSQ/E, as SMSQ/E is so much more advanced and caters to a different type of users. A public statement about TK2 being free for non-commercial use would benefit users of emulators that are interested in running early QL programs requiring TK2 extensions, and at the same time preserve copies of the TK2 for its historical and educational value. Thank you Daniele for raising the subject - it is for sure on behalf of people such as me who came much later into contact with the QL, want to learn something about how it works or just play around with it for a while. If I look back at my very first steps into QL world then the most valuable ressources from the beginning on were probably QLAY and the website with QL documentation by Dilwyn Jones (because my first real QL, purchased through ebay, came without a manual). I still appreciate Qlay very much as a good starting point - it would have been an incredible starting point for newcomers if it was packaged with a TK2 rom and a documentation for both the bare QL plus TK2 commands as PDF document! That raises another question: are the copyrights for QL manual and for TK2 manual in the hands of the same persons as those for the QDOS / TK2 software itself? Of course regarding the manuals, theoretically they are still copyrighted at least until 2008 however due to permission given by Amstrad plc. they can be distributed (like the ROMs) provided Amstrad's copyright is mentioned. In any case they would be distributable as they would fall under fair use (Educational and referential mainly - since they are not available anyway and they weren't for sale to begin with). TK2 copyright will not expire until at least 2010 (I believe that it was made available in 1985) however IIRC TK2 has been released to the public by TT... Of course I may be wrong on the latter. (TT?) I was givena very limited permission to include an older, cut down TK2 on the QL Emulators CD. As far as I know, it only ever extended to the CD, which is why I never put TK2 on my website or any other CD or PD library. Also, please remember that the distribution permission given for the QL ROMs and manuals by Amstrad were only theirs to grant for the area they handled them, i.e. Europe. For USA/Canada for example, rights ro the QL ROMs and manuals are held by Paul Holmgren and Frank Davies who should be approached for permission to include or distribute the manuals or ROMs. There are examples of when people have correctly and reasonably asked for permission that the permission has been granted by these rights holders. When it comes to older manuals, copyright holders are sometimes only too glad to allow them to be put on websites etc as it saves them having to produce copies of older manuals for users who request them. Generally, many people will allow a limited distribution as long as they retain copyright to the material in question, that they are credited, that you do not make a profit from it and that you are considerate enough to ask them nicely! That said, if you just assume that because it's old, they won't mind, you are likely to find yourself at wrong end of a solicitor's letter I suppose. Rights to TK2 are held by different people to the QL ROM and manuals, i.e. Sinclair/Amstrad for QL ROM/manual and Tony Tebby for TK2. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Toolkit II
TK2 copyright will not expire until at least 2010 (I believe that it was made available in 1985) however IIRC TK2 has been released to the public by TT... Of course I may be wrong on the latter. (TT?) IIRC the TK2 version that is on Dylwin's emulators CDROM is OK to use with emulators. I had asked this TT and Jochen, but Dylwin should know better. Arnould IIRC, it was only ever permission for inclusion on the QL Emulators CD for use with the emulators on it. I don't think it would allow me to supply it in any other way (e.g. PD library or website) or that it would allow Daniele Terdina, Richard Zidlicky and other emulator authors to include it either witht heir emulators or from their website. Some time has passed since then, of course it might have changed by now... Since the QL Emulators CD is itself freeware (i.e. it can be copied freely) it does seem a difficult situation. I'm not sure if the emulator authors could technically say if you want TK2, get a copy of the Emulators CD, but I suppose the copyright holder could then say that as the TK2 isn't being used with an emulator which didn't come off the CD (e.g. a full registered version or a later version than on the CD) the situation might be less than clear cut. Over to the legal team for advice! -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] my all time favourite QL code
Hi out there It is now maybe two years since I started scanning old QL magazines, sometimes there is really amazing information but until today I never found a more amazing piece of code than the following one - both how it is done technically (recursion) and the graphical effect. I really wonder if A. Pritchard is still around in the QL scene - the idea to draw a tree recursively just knocks me out - why doesn't the ole man from heaven give me the inspiration to invent such great things :-( The reason for this posting: I really wonder if someone out there also has something special: a stunning effect from some simple (at the first) SuperBasic code? Regards! Michael 100 REMark *** QL USER 1985 *** 110 REMark *** Tree by A. Pritchard *** 120 PAPER 5:PAPER#2,5:WINDOW 512,256,0,0 125 WINDOW#2,512,256,0,0:MODE 8 130 INK 7:FILL 1:CIRCLE 80,60,10:FILL 0:INK#2,0 140 FOR i=1 TO 10:CIRCLE 80,2,i,.1,PI/2:NEXT i 150 FOR h=25 TO 12 STEP -1:d:NEXT h:INK 0:FILL 1 160 LINE 0,-3 TO 28,40 TO 36,40:ARC TO 50,-3,PI/2 170 FILL 0:tr 28,40,20,8:INK 3:AT 0,5:OVER 1 180 CSIZE 3,1:PRINT 'Shivering in the Wind'; 190 CSIZE 2,0:PRINT AP85; 195 : 200 DEFine PROCedure tr(x,y,l,b) 205 LOCal i,f,g,b1 210 IF l2 THEN RETurn 220 FOR i=1 TO 4 230 b1=b/2:IF b/2 1 THEN FILL 1 240 f=x+(i*l-1.2*l-RND(1))*1.2:g=y+RND(l*2.3)-1/3 250 k=0:IF i=4 AND l=20 THEN k=3 260 LINE x,y TO f,g TO f+b1-1,g 270 LINE TO x+b-1,y-k TO x,y 280 FILL 0:tr f,g,l/2,b/2:NEXT i 285 END DEFine 287 : 290 DEFine PROCedure d 295 p=RND(150)-30:g=RND(160) 300 INK 3:FILL 1:LINE p,10 TO (p+g)/2,h TO g,10 310 FILL 0:INK 7:LINE (p+g)/2,h TO g,10:INK 3,5 320 FILL 1:LINE p,10 TO (p+g)/2,10-(h-10)/3 TO g,10 330 FILL 0 340 END DEFine ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] my all time favourite QL code
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 at 20:05:13, Michael Berger wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi out there It is now maybe two years since I started scanning old QL magazines, sometimes there is really amazing information but until today I never found a more amazing piece of code than the following one - both how it is done technically (recursion) and the graphical effect. I really wonder if A. Pritchard is still around in the QL scene - the idea to draw a tree recursively just knocks me out - why doesn't the ole man from heaven give me the inspiration to invent such great things :-( The reason for this posting: I really wonder if someone out there also has something special: a stunning effect from some simple (at the first) SuperBasic code? Yes - the winner (and runner up - same person) of a QL World graphics competition will probably beat this one (I haven't run this one as I am in the US) It used data statements, turtle graphics and masses of re-entrant code. It is on my BBS - dragon_zip in, urmm, probably general area. QBBS files list: URL:http://www.firshman.co.uk/ftp/qbbs/allfiles.zip I think it only runs on a QL with 128k ram. (tree code snipped) -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] my all time favourite QL code
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:37:03 +0100, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 at 20:05:13, Michael Berger wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi out there It is now maybe two years since I started scanning old QL magazines, sometimes there is really amazing information but until today I never found a more amazing piece of code than the following one - both how it is done technically (recursion) and the graphical effect. I really wonder if A. Pritchard is still around in the QL scene - the idea to draw a tree recursively just knocks me out - why doesn't the ole man from heaven give me the inspiration to invent such great things :-( The reason for this posting: I really wonder if someone out there also has something special: a stunning effect from some simple (at the first) SuperBasic code? Yes - the winner (and runner up - same person) of a QL World graphics competition will probably beat this one (I haven't run this one as I am in the US) Was that a different compo from the one with the rotating head? I think Mark Swift made that one and it rocked! I have to check my QLTs :-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] Q-Word changes!
Hi all, thanks to a much anticipated new QPC version my Marcel Kilgus (yes QLSSS is supported), we can now use the same Music Server software on both Qx0 and QPC... that means that QPC will not suffer from sound playback latency... I am working as fast as I can to fix the code for QPC... That also creates changes on the way Q-Word is installed which will be able now to be completely independent! I already have done necessary changes to create three language editions of Q-Word (English, German, French) and these will be all bundled for release with the new changes in code for QPC. The required version of QPC2 for the sound to work will be 3.20 (Currently it is beta :-)) but trust me it won't bother you much... Upgrade as fast as possible (Shameless plug I know ;-) Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Connecting Printers
There are alternatives, and they are free! How many modern printers are NOT supported by Linux? A port of one of the printer daemons such as CUPS should be possible. Alternatively, something lke http://www.hpdevelopersolutions.com/join/APDK.cfm might be useful, but it I'm not sure how much customisation is required for the different HP printers. I quote HP announces the release of the latest printing technology for non-PC appliances in a free, easy to use Appliance Printing Development Kit (APDK). This unique APDK opens the door to printing opportunities for products that have previously not been able to communicate with printers, by merging with the product's host system to form a printer driver. With this APDK, developers can expand the scope of their product with no up-front costs and minimal time investment. Depending on the appliance and development background, developers will find the APDK relatively easy to implement. Most appliances will be able to take advantage of this technology due to the code's small size (75 - 180KB), uni/bi-directional printing capabilities, and 1284/USB I/O. Successfully tested products include set-top boxes, Linux work stations, hand-held computing devices and web terminals. Jeremy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Connecting Printers In a message dated 24/07/2004 10:17:52 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A hardware device between the parallel port of old computers and the printer to be able to print to modern printers... Yes, exactly - this would have a very wide appeal, particularly if it would accept input via a serial port or parallel port. I still think that this is the preferable option as it could be marketed to a whole host of other users and would not be restricted to the QL. We just need someone to design the hardware !! Windows is horribly expensive for a project like that: I bought XP for my son, OEM version (I had to buy a hard disk as well to get the OEM pricing). 150 Euros IIRC. The reason why I suggest Windows is because all modern printers come with a driver for Windows. There is a specific version of Windows for such projects which is presumably a lot cheaper - Windows XP Embedded (or even Windows CE). I have not been able to find any pricing details though - the main expense is the purchase of the development kits. -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 35 Chantry Croft, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JH TEL: 01977 610509 Visit our website at URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk Stuck with ordinary dial up internet connection ?? Read our review of internet accelerators and broadband at: URL: http://www.rwapadventures.com/Services/reviews.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] how to get QL2K
On 24 Jul 2004 at 23:08, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 02:13:56 +0100, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This doesn't seem to install the required cygZ11-6.dll. Where do I find that? Regards Stephen Meech Make sure everything in these options gets installed. If you expand your packages you will find all the required dlls. Additionally if you are installing from FTP, timeouts can cause things to not install... Phoebus P.S. It's a good idea to bottom-post instead top-post (posting over instead of underneath the original topic. You left my message on top and I was trying to figure out what you meant :-) I'll have another look but I ran a Search on the tree starting at c:\cygwin and it wasn't there. The installation seemed to proceed without a problem but perhaps I'll try again. If someone could look at their installation and let me know where the file appears that might help me identify the problem. Sorry about the top-posting. It is the convention in most of the mailing lists I use, Stephen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Connecting Printers
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:47:29 +0100, Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are alternatives, and they are free! How many modern printers are NOT supported by Linux? A port of one of the printer daemons such as CUPS should be possible. Alternatively, something lke http://www.hpdevelopersolutions.com/join/APDK.cfm To this I add this :-) URL:http://www.beyondlogic.org/usb/otghost.htm Phoebus ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] my all time favourite QL code
On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 at 16:55:40, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 21:37:03 +0100, Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 at 20:05:13, Michael Berger wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi out there It is now maybe two years since I started scanning old QL magazines, sometimes there is really amazing information but until today I never found a more amazing piece of code than the following one - both how it is done technically (recursion) and the graphical effect. I really wonder if A. Pritchard is still around in the QL scene - the idea to draw a tree recursively just knocks me out - why doesn't the ole man from heaven give me the inspiration to invent such great things :-( The reason for this posting: I really wonder if someone out there also has something special: a stunning effect from some simple (at the first) SuperBasic code? Yes - the winner (and runner up - same person) of a QL World graphics competition will probably beat this one (I haven't run this one as I am in the US) Was that a different compo from the one with the rotating head? I think Mark Swift made that one and it rocked! I have to check my QLTs :-) This was QL World - the original mag published in London. I think around 1986. (Sorry for not snipping. My USA link is so so it is nigh on impossible to do (8-(# ) Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] Spanish QL ROM
Does anyone have a copy of the Spanish QL ROM (MGE) which could be programmed onto new ROM chips ?? A customer in Spain asked if it were possible -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 35 Chantry Croft, Kinsley, Pontefract, West Yorkshire, WF9 5JH TEL: 01977 610509 Visit our website at URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk Stuck with ordinary dial up internet connection ?? Read our review of internet accelerators and broadband at: URL: http://www.rwapadventures.com/Services/reviews.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
