Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On 20 Nov 2004 at 1:10, Tony Firshman wrote: OK - I have put my money where my mouth is: (what you bought more beer?) http://www.firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi The form is the only thing there that works so far. BUT YOU CAN'T SUBMIT IT (...) What year did Quanta start? 1984 Spreadsheet : Add Qspread Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 10:31:03, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On 19 Nov 2004 at 22:47, David Tubbs wrote: No person into computing is without access to the net. Not true. I personally know at least one such person - and he lives in France, has a QXL but only in an older PC without net access at all!. So do I. This may be the same French user, and his only electronic contact is via my BBS. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
On 20 Nov 2004 at 9:36, Tony Firshman wrote: So do I. This may be the same French user, and his only electronic contact is via my BBS. BC? He came with us to QL2004. Wolfgang www.scp-paulet-lenerz.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: Quanta Survey
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 10:17:50, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 Take a look at www.quanta.org.uk , there is a new item on the main page. Nice one. This is a -paper- questionnaire, and clearly not designed for the website. It actually says -on the website page- : The questionnaire is also available for download on the Quanta website at http://www.quanta.org.uk; (8-)# Doesn't John S realise that if he has it on the website as a form, then he is one click away from receiving the results. It doesn't even mention an email address. It seems laughable to me that one is expected to print it out and post it. That alone will discourage many. Still I suppose it is better than nothing. Welcome though the survey is this is NOT what was agreed at the last committee meeting. The survey was to appear in the Aug/Sept Newsletter with 3 prizes to encourage people to reply. These prizes were record or book tokens to the value of £50, £30 and £20 and not cash prizes of £15, £10 and £5. Who decided this change and why wasn't I consulted as a committee member? And sorry, John, you do not use words like whine when you are trying to gain members' co-operation. Its use does reinforce the feeling that the committee are aloof, arrogant and unresponsive to members' feelings. Perhaps it's time to stop this discussion and start the coup d'etat, Enough of this bickering (8-)# What about the web form? http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Do you want me to complete the job? I don't want to complete it if it is not going to be linked to instead of the 'paper' form - there is quite a bit more work to do. The last section to my mind on the Quanta site form is ambiguous. It reads to me as asking for people who want to -do- development, but I am not sure. I have added two extra questions, and made the questions clear. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Tony Firshman wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 20:13:18, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership BTW is it now policy not to send the mag to advertisers? The last one I have is April this year. Tony The last one I received was August/September (7/8). Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
- Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta membership Geoff - I thought you are a committee member : customer care would suggest that you should offer to get the potential new member contacted by the correct Quanta membership secretary tonight : he (the membership secretary if this list is an accurate barometer must be thirsting for his first new signing anyway) :) A fair rebuke here. I assume that John Gilpin is already in contact with people who via this list say they have been unable to renew their membership. If there is anyone who still has a problem, could they please email me privately and I will chase it up. Please include a keyword such as Quanta in the subject line so that I don't accidentally delete your message as spam, Best wishes, Geoff gwicks @ beeb.net ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta
- Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta SNIP To progress this discussion a moderator or instigator needs to put aside his/her personal individual preferences, listen to all the ideas on the list and dismiss none, but perhaps ask some individuals to explore some aspects of all of the ideas to assess their practicality with a view to producing a manifesto for Quanta regeneration that should be debated on this list but must ultimately be put to the membership committee before the AGM and subsequently resolved at the AGM. SNIP - and Geoff Wicks are you up to the challenge of picking up on this discussion and attempting to moderate it into a realistic consensus manifesto that could be put to Quanta ??? :) Without the support and involvement of a respected figure ( yes I mean you) already within the committee the whole issue could be delayed until its all too late. Thanks for the expression of confidence, but I have already failed as moderator. You may remember that just over a year ago I wrote some very critical comments on this list and in QL-Today about Quanta. In February I had a long and amicable discussion with the Quanta committee about these, and I was impressed with the quality of the discussion. I had the feeling that Quanta was eager to reform and agreed to join the committee. 10 months later hardly anything that I suggested has been implemented and Quanta shows no signs of reforming. Quanta's problem is not what it must discuss or what its policies should be, but its inefficiency and unreliability. I agree with John Taylor that what we need now is not words but action. Sorry if this doesn't answer your well made points, but that is the reality, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
Mike MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey At 01:10 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: Nice one Tony. Action better than words. Good to see the year joined question, ofcourse it should not need to be asked. But I think it is important when considering how Q would use accrued capital which should be equitably done in favour of the longest contributors. I fear when you consider the thousands of members, who have contributed over many years, but have now given up, been put off, or not renewed for whatever reason, you may have, quite justifiably, a demand for their inclusion in allocation of funds. Mike ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Pity. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
Here Here!! - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 QL internet access via existing software and a UNIX shell account has been there since the mid 1990s. See the DJ Emulators CD rom. Quanta could help by organising access to UNIX shell accounts from existing internet providers, and even financially subsidise the subscription. The longterm solution of a full TCP/IP stack could come quicker with some commercial work sponsored by Quanta. A full internet solution on QL hardware would I think give new life to the scene as there are many PC internet users who would welcome a platform that would give them complete control and privacy on the net. Peter Grafs solution is very very very niche Best Wishes Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gwicks Sent: 19 November 2004 19:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 - Original Message - From: Brian Kemmett Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 as you say in this email, a lot of the membership is probably without internet access, or even access to email.I think the ONE biggest leap forward this community can take is to develop, or finance development of internet access for the native QL/Q40-60/ Aurora, you know, the very machines QUANTA purports to support, yet here we are, all of us on this list, or 99.99% using PC's to communicate on matters QL!! kindest regards.. Brian K I am not sure finance is the real problem in getting QL internet access and that it is rather more technical problems. Remember Peter Graf has achieved what he has done using public domain sources, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
No.. You are so wrong. I know two people in my locale who are happy with their Trump Card QL's - and nothing else! BK - Original Message - From: David Tubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 At 20:21 19/11/2004 +, you wrote: There was a proposal at the 2003 AGM for the magazine to be distributed by email, but it was reported to the 2004 AGM this was not practical because of the large number of members who do not have internet access. I don't know how the research was done. Do let's put this excuse to bed. No person into computing is without access to the net. For a number of years I used QL PC on a boat, no phone line or satellite dish, but I had POP3 email and web access thru Inet Caffs all over the place. In particular I used , an still do , Eudora which an be invoked with data from floppy disk. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Hi, Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Isn't that somewhat too early on a Saturday night? :) François Van Emelen Pity. Tony ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:43:45, François Van Emelen wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. You misunderstood. I meant only two have made suggestions on 'corrections' to the form. I still have nothing from the people that matter on whether my form is going to be used. It would be good to hear something though (8-(# It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Firshman wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:43:45, Francois Van Emelen wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. You misunderstood. I meant only two have made suggestions on 'corrections' to the form. I still have nothing from the people that matter on whether my form is going to be used. It would be good to hear something though (8-(# It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. How do Qx0 and Thor users fill in the form, when all the questions are about black box QLs? -- Tarquin Mills ACCUS (Anglia Classic Computer Users Society) http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/comp/accus/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
- Original Message - From: SMSQ - Jochen Merz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Tony Firshman wrote: On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 at 20:13:18, gwicks wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Original Message - From: Tony Firshman Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership BTW is it now policy not to send the mag to advertisers? The last one I have is April this year. Tony The last one I received was August/September (7/8). Jochen Then you are up to date Jochen.The next one Oct/Nov is at the printers and is due to be distributed any day now. John Gilpin. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
At 09:39 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: There was another mainboard by a guy in Sawston Cambs ? Other add ons - Eprom Progger, A/D Converter Nome brewed stuff I thought drunk Nomes sat in gardens (8-)# Tony Such a dismissive response ! I do beg your pardon, never mind, run the whole thing for a guy with phone line but not prepared like the rest to take up the WWW. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 18:12:10, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 09:39 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: There was another mainboard by a guy in Sawston Cambs ? Other add ons - Eprom Progger, A/D Converter Nome brewed stuff I thought drunk Nomes sat in gardens (8-)# Tony Such a dismissive response ! I do beg your pardon, never mind, run the whole thing for a guy with phone line but not prepared like the rest to take up the WWW. You are touchy David. Maybe too much Nome brew (8-)# I was joking about your mistyping only. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Perfection upgrade
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Many thanks for your efforts on behalf of Perfection users. And a genuine special thanks for letting us know what the programme is. Thanks ... just a part of the fun of being a 'ql_user' ... :-) If you are successful in making contact - do you plan to ask for the source to be made available as PD or freeware and the same for other DP programs that are not yet in the public domain? Nothing specific decided a yet ... but that could be a way that it will work out to be. A postal letter was sent a few days ago to Dave Batty. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Malcolm Cadman Sent: 19 November 2004 09:08 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Perfection upgrade In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes To reply to the queries below : Emails have been sent to try to contact David Batty, yet no reply has been received over the latter 3 weeks. A letter will also be sent to an address held. A request for information has also been placed in QL Today. If nothing resolves from all of this I am in discussion with Dave Gilham about an alternative way of releasing the upgrade to users. Overall please be patient as these things take time. Yes, I dont quite understand that if you already own a legal copy of Perfection why cannot be allowed to get hold of the upgrade. Happy to provide proof of purchase. DP are not trading so loss of profit should not be an issue, loss of support for previous commercial programmes is an issue to me for many of us but that is disregarded by traders that have disappeared - hats off to those who remain. How about this : whoever has it send me a copy please. I will look at the code compare it with the original copy I have and then try to create a program that will patch anyones legal copy upto the style of the upgraded version. To avoid copyright issues I will endevour to use different code in the patch - no problem for me as I am a menace as an assembler programmer and could never produce the polished code that the experts have done. Thanks to whovever sends a copy in advance. Duncan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brian Kemmett Sent: 17 November 2004 16:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 Yes Duncan .. Its all gone VERY QUIET about that one again ... Flurry of hot air a few weeks back, but I've given up all hope of ever seeing it resurrected Brian Kemmett - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 BTW what happened about the upgraded Perfection that is limited to a few individuals because of worries about ownership of this no longer for sale WP by a defunct company - Duncan Neithercut -- Malcolm Cadman -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: Ethernet hardware
Tony wrote: Have you seen the efforts of Jon Dent? He has gone quite a long way down the road, but I suspect has not enough time. I wonder, Jon, whether there is scope here for delegation/cooperation? Delwin Vriend wrote: I have seen some work out there, and I guess that's why I finally decided to pipe up - to make sure I'm not re-inventing any wheels and perhaps cooperate on things. I haven't yet done an in-depth investigation into the standards that have developed for QL drivers, though I have seen some of the stuff out there related to the current implementations of TCP_, IP_, UDP_, etc. support. snip If you would like to try out my TCP/IP stack and socket library soQL then I would be pleased to send it to you. Let me know if you want me to use the email address you use for the list or would prefer me to use another (off list). Of course any help to complete the jig-saw would be welcome Jon. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Hi Tony, Just trying to catch up - had taken a quick glance but wasn't quite clear on if you were asking for input on the form itself or wanting people to fill it in - now I understand. It would be a shame if this form was not used. I had looked at the Quanta location and, believe me, with time constraints, I can't see myself or many others actually taking the time to print it, fill it in, and mailing it (especially from the States). There is a reason why I use email and websites versus snail mail :) By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? Also, how would someone submit this (a Submit button?). Is this supposed to be an email submitted form or some other way. If so, what about security (don't want the spammers to latch onto the address)? Cheers, jim On Nov 20, 2004, at 10:23 AM, Tony Firshman wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:41:26, Tarquin Mills wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony Firshman wrote: On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 17:43:45, Francois Van Emelen wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman wrote: I am disappointed at the response to my form. You shouldn't be. You have done your best. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. Add 1 to that number. I'm not a Quanta member and I have no intention to become one. You misunderstood. I meant only two have made suggestions on 'corrections' to the form. I still have nothing from the people that matter on whether my form is going to be used. It would be good to hear something though (8-(# It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. How do Qx0 and Thor users fill in the form, when all the questions are about black box QLs? True. That is a very major omission isn't it. I have added something: http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi However I think this form will not be seeing the light of day. There is a resounding silence from those who matter. I am disappointed. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
At 18:24 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: You are touchy David. Maybe too much Nome brew (8-)# I was joking about your mistyping only. OK, a typo - big deal ! Surely the Tinkerers have been adding bits of their own making ? I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I don't matter. But do those who do ? Seems to me as an outsider, more interested in the QL than Quanta that the problems can be divided in two parts. What Quanta can and may do with it's reserves, and should it continue to exist to give committee members titles ? How best to achieve good communication and help between users of the QL family of equipment. The latter is not dependent on the existence or inactivity of Quanta. A decent web site, with a range of info and links to all other resources, would not need itself to hold all files software. Might include a decent forum such as I have seen at PCanswers and Mozilla for example. Where threads are maintained and we don't need to wade across two pages of overblown header an superfluous quoted requoted quotes to find an insignificant response. It could include a shielded area to which users might upload a contribution, wikpedia is clever in that way. The survey does not need the cooperation of those that matter, surely Geoff could legitimately mail the membership and traders could add further users. I have more time than techno competences but would be prepared to undertake compiling the responses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005
Where, where? :) - Original Message - From: Brian Kemmett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 Here Here!! - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:04 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 QL internet access via existing software and a UNIX shell account has been there since the mid 1990s. See the DJ Emulators CD rom. Quanta could help by organising access to UNIX shell accounts from existing internet providers, and even financially subsidise the subscription. The longterm solution of a full TCP/IP stack could come quicker with some commercial work sponsored by Quanta. A full internet solution on QL hardware would I think give new life to the scene as there are many PC internet users who would welcome a platform that would give them complete control and privacy on the net. Peter Grafs solution is very very very niche Best Wishes Duncan Neithercut -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of gwicks Sent: 19 November 2004 19:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 - Original Message - From: Brian Kemmett Subject: Re: [ql-users] Re: QL2005 as you say in this email, a lot of the membership is probably without internet access, or even access to email.I think the ONE biggest leap forward this community can take is to develop, or finance development of internet access for the native QL/Q40-60/ Aurora, you know, the very machines QUANTA purports to support, yet here we are, all of us on this list, or 99.99% using PC's to communicate on matters QL!! kindest regards.. Brian K I am not sure finance is the real problem in getting QL internet access and that it is rather more technical problems. Remember Peter Graf has achieved what he has done using public domain sources, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
Tony Firshman writes: I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Pity. I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought through, and that was not your department. Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second connection? Since I havent had any response to my reservations, I must assume everyone thinks the survey will provide the sort of answers we can do something with. Or perhaps theyre just being typical, bloody-minded ql-ers, and are just not going to say - but also not going to fill in the form. When the few unsuspecting sheep who neither agree nor disagree have filled it in, someone will no doubt grumble and the form will be changed. When, after much soul-searching, compromise and hard work, the form is finally perfected, no one will bother to fill it in, because the grumblers never intended to fill it in in the first place, and the sheep will be confused and discouraged. Thus another collective QL undertaking will falter, as they almost invariably do. Perhaps Duncan can check his Civil Servant Guide to see if this behaviour is described anywhere? Perhaps under Lemmings? Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Re: Quanta Survey
gwicks writes: Welcome though the survey is this is NOT what was agreed at the last committee meeting. The survey was to appear in the Aug/Sept Newsletter with 3 prizes to encourage people to reply. These prizes were record or book tokens to the value of £50, £30 and £20 and not cash prizes of £15, £10 and £5. What boring prizes anyway! (he grumbles) Why not (with the agreement of the victims, of course): First prize a choice of a) Tea with Tony Tebby (one hour, Buy Your Own B* Tickets), b) A night on the town with Nasta in Zagreb (BYOBT and drinks!), (c) a guided tour of the QPC2 source code with Marcel (Pizza not included) Second prize: Get to alter one paragraph of your choice in the SMSQ/E license Ten runner up prizes: QUANTA deluxe mouse mats autographed by a QL luminary of your choice. Any better suggestions? (Please may I have the nine deluxe mousemats surplus to requirements!) Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 11:19:18, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Hi Tony, Just trying to catch up - had taken a quick glance but wasn't quite clear on if you were asking for input on the form itself or wanting people to fill it in - now I understand. It would be a shame if this form was not used. I had looked at the Quanta location and, believe me, with time constraints, I can't see myself or many others actually taking the time to print it, fill it in, and mailing it (especially from the States). There is a reason why I use email and websites versus snail mail :) By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? You must have seen a version I was editing. The form does not stop there Also, how would someone submit this (a Submit button?). Is this supposed to be an email submitted form or some other way. If so, what about security (don't want the spammers to latch onto the address)? It is a cgi generated page. The submit button will be just that and nothing more. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
- Original Message - From: gwicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership - Original Message - From: Duncan Neithercut Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:36 PM Subject: RE: [ql-users] Quanta membership Geoff - I thought you are a committee member : customer care would suggest that you should offer to get the potential new member contacted by the correct Quanta membership secretary tonight : he (the membership secretary if this list is an accurate barometer must be thirsting for his first new signing anyway) :) A fair rebuke here. I assume that John Gilpin is already in contact with people who via this list say they have been unable to renew their membership. If there is anyone who still has a problem, could they please email me privately and I will chase it up. Please include a keyword such as Quanta in the subject line so that I don't accidentally delete your message as spam, Best wishes, Geoff Geoff is quite correct. I am in contact with Delwin Vriend who has indicated that he is interested in becoming a Quanta Member and also Mike MacNamara whose renewal was missed causing his membership to lapse some years ago. John Gilpin. Membership Secretary. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 18:58:08, Malcolm Cadman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I am disappointed at the response to my form. I have only had two people commenting on the content, and not from the right quarters. It looks like my attempt to inject some positiveness into the issue has fallen flat. I should have gone to bed instead. Give people time to respond ... John Mason had time to write that angry email (8-)# What was the address again ? You have probably seen it a dozen times since you wrote this but it is: http://firshman.co.uk/scripts/qq.cgi Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 20:38:55, P Witte wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Tony Firshman writes: I did check it out, and it looks great! My problem is not with your form, but that I dont think the questions have been well enough thought through, and that was not your department. Can the form be filled in off-line and then be uploaded on a second connection? No - it relies on a POST operation. TOny -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] The committee
Duncan Neithercut wrote: I do not want to dismiss anyone's ideas, all are welcome to me. To refine my response, the issue is not just the ideas but what comes next. Without a next any ideas no matter how good will wither. I considered your response a next without focus. Success needs a firm consensus : the consensus issue is not about the pros cons of the current the committee appointees and combating them which some views on the list seem to suggest. What in my view is needed is a consensus of the membership and ideally also the non member user base about where we should be going in the next 6 months and then the next year and so on. A meeting next year is only one step in such a path. As far as I understood your idea is that you want someone to volunteer essentially to sort the situation and decide between competing proposals. What I am pointing out is that no one may volunteer unless the role is reasonably circumscribed and they have the casting vote on the Quanta committee. The only reasonable way to create a workable situation for a volunteer is to create a consensus through this list and the full Quanta membership take it to the next decision making meeting. As far as I know this is the AGM - if there is one sooner I have no problem with that. I also agree with you that nothing in the field of human endvour is really new but that is also why we should recognise the need to progress through paths that have a high probability of success. - defined objectives, allocated resources support from all vested interests and stakeholders I also acknowledge what you intended to say. I felt it necessary to point out that how it appeared in print could convey the diametrically (diabollically) opposite message. :( You are Sir Humphrey Appleby and I claim my £10 :-) John ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? You must have seen a version I was editing. The form does not stop there Interesting. In Apple's Safari, I emptied the cache and reloaded it - quit in the same place. But using Firefox, it shows a lot more, presumably all the way to the end. Anything special you are doing with your CGI that might be pseudo standard? I see in your source at this 'stop' point: input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org.uk/; target='Uhttp://www.quanta.org.uk//a for details)BR What is the radio name type? This seems to be where Safari stops. I am forwarding this to Apple to see if they have comments. If I hear anything I will let you know but I suspect that I won't. Normally they just fix things if something is broken and it shows up in the next update. Cheers, jim ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Proforma Filter
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Wolfgang Lenerz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Sure its frustrating. But can you really ask that person for even more work? I suppose the real answer to that is no but, to a degree, we all have to work together because no else is going to do it but us as a whole. Collectively there is a lot of expertise in the QL Scene. Individually that expertise is patchy therefore we need collaboration. If you say, 'I have written this but I don't know how to take this further' then that is reasonable. If you say, 'I have written this and it does all I need so I am stopping now' when you are capable of taking it a bit further and helping the rest of the users then you place yourself in the position of not being able to ask for help in other areas - well morally anyway. This was what I was trying to say. -- Roy Wood Q Branch. 20 Locks Hill, Portslade, Sussex.BN41 2LB Tel: +44 (0) 1273 386030fax: +44 (0) 1273 430501 web : www.qbranch.demon.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 16:04:43, James Hunkins wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) By the way, as to the form, the final line shows Do you subscribe to the QL mailing list? Yes No (see and then stops there. See what? You must have seen a version I was editing. The form does not stop there Interesting. In Apple's Safari, I emptied the cache and reloaded it - quit in the same place. But using Firefox, it shows a lot more, presumably all the way to the end. Anything special you are doing with your CGI that might be pseudo standard? I see in your source at this 'stop' point: input type=radio name=mailing value=yesYes input type=radio name=mailing value=noNo nbsp;(see a href=http://www.quanta.org. What is the radio name type? This seems to be where Safari stops. Haven't a clue I am afraid. This is all pretty std stuff and I am following the 'camel' to the letter. I am forwarding this to Apple to see if they have comments. If I hear anything I will let you know but I suspect that I won't. Normally they just fix things if something is broken and it shows up in the next update. Looks like Apple is at fault. I am away from base on a crappy small screen and keyboard so cannot easily look at my code. You will see the whole html source under firefox. Thanks for comments, Tony PS I hope the Quanta committee will comment. I would be happy to finish the code if they will use it. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
At 21:59 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I don't matter. Who said that? I certainly didn't. Tony OH YES YOU DID ! I still have nothing from the people that matter Added to which both my considered responses merited no comment at all. Two earlier more conversational ripostes failed to gain acknowledgement. I'm sorry , I think I can take the hint. Bye ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Quanta membership Survey
On Sat, 20 Nov 2004 at 23:53:47, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 21:59 20/11/2004 +, you wrote: I thought only to make an intelligent contribution, but evidently I don't matter. Who said that? I certainly didn't. Tony OH YES YOU DID ! I still have nothing from the people that matter Added to which both my considered responses merited no comment at all. Two earlier more conversational ripostes failed to gain acknowledgement. I'm sorry , I think I can take the hint. This is getting really really silly David. Of course I read and took your comments into account. I was not not not not not not saying you didn't matter. I see what you mean now. The -whole- point of doing the on-line survey was to get someone on the Quanta committee to say they would like to use the form. There has been some pretty sarcastic comment about me personally in a private email (I think) from a Quanta committee member on another matter which, on reflection, has annoyed me more than I thought at the time. I think after his comments, I really don't feel like putting myself out at all. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@surname.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
