Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Pasi Keränen
Hi, Repos can be relocated to new homes if really needed, but I think it’s fair to say more generic location is definitely preferred from Qt 3D Studio point of view. To make this even easier I’d even start with a playground repo if nothing else can be found. Qt has always been (despite our voc

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Maurice Kalinowski
“The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use for analytics” If that is the case, then qt-creator/telemetry is the wrong repository to ask for. If you are aiming at something generic, then it should be qt/ Maurice Von: Qt-creator [mailto:qt-creator-bounces+maurice.k

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Pasi Keränen
Hi there, +1 for having a generic telemetry plugin in Qt. This is great initiative and very much the way today's app and application industry works. UX studies performed by UX experts have been minimized and targeted for specific (usually new/experimental) features or upcoming new software (li

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread André Pönitz
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 01:58:55PM +, Tino Pyssysalo wrote: > Hi, > > The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use for > analytics. I see no reason why this can't be done as part of e.g. the commercial Qt offering, with customers being free to deploy that if they fe

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Tomasz Siekierda
Another point: if you do collect usage data, please bear in mind that sometimes a feature can be used very rarely, but still be vital. In other words, do not consider a feature as "unnecessary" or "can be deprecated" if it is not used often. For example, I mostly do mobile and desktop apps, but I

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread André Pönitz
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 04:42:55PM +0300, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: > 22.02.2018, 16:39, "Ryein Goddard" : > > This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be > > completely honest I think it is 100% useless.  I fully subscribe to that. > > If you don't know what people >

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Robert Löhning
Hi Andy, yes, non-Qt Company people have a voice. This discussion here is taking place in the Qt Project, not just the Qt Company. Cheers, Robert Am 22.02.2018 um 14:39 schrieb Andy: If non-Qt Company people have a voice, I'm with Simon. More info is needed. Do you see this shipping as a b

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Simon Hausmann
Hi, Thanks for the update, this is starting to make more sense to me. So do I understand correctly that you'd like to have one API that you could use from a proprietary Qt Creator plugin (for commercial tooling) as well as from the installer framework, and the repository that you're requestin

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Marco Bubke
It would be nice if you can explain what data you want to collect and how it will be help the creator development. In my view it is quite hard to collect data about not implemented features, so you could only provide information about what feature is used. So the data could be used to see what s

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Tino Pyssysalo
Hi, The idea is to develop a generic library/plugin, which anyone could use for analytics. The backend can be any storage and The Qt Company does not provide that. We plan to use the same backend, which we already use in online installers to collect statistics about installations. At least in

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Simon Hausmann
Hi, For the charts it's indeed not so relevant what kind of charts we can visualize. That is an implementation detail indeed. But whether visualization data in charts is relevant to the users of Qt and whether we would like to make this part of the Qt project is certainly a question we'd clari

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Andy
On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 8:47 AM, Tuukka Turunen wrote: > > > Hi Simon, > > > > Is that an item to decide at repo creation time or something to address > later during implementation / code review? For example consider requesting > a repo for qt/qtcharts – should we have known what data users want

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Marco Bubke
> Well, there are things that are hard to report via survey, e.g. rate of > crashes or memory leaking in clangbackend We have a crash handler in the works, which is much more useful than this. And memory leaks can simply be investigated simply by debugging. I don't see how this plugin could he

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi Simon, Is that an item to decide at repo creation time or something to address later during implementation / code review? For example consider requesting a repo for qt/qtcharts – should we have known what data users want to visualize with it before having a repository (or only during the im

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Ryein Goddard
I think memory leaks and different backends should be tested by Qt. Customers/Users are not your beta testers. On 02/22/2018 08:42 AM, Konstantin Tokarev wrote: 22.02.2018, 16:39, "Ryein Goddard" : This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be completely honest I th

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Konstantin Tokarev
22.02.2018, 16:39, "Ryein Goddard" : > This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be > completely honest I think it is 100% useless.  If you don't know what people > are using your software for, or how then you aren't communicating with them.  > You know once upon a t

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Andy
If non-Qt Company people have a voice, I'm with Simon. More info is needed. Do you see this shipping as a built-in plugin for Qt Creator? If so, would this data collection be opt-in? How is the user informed about exactly what is being collected and how the data is used? --- Andy Maloney // h

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Ryein Goddard
This might be nice to make pretty charts to show to managers, but to be completely honest I think it is 100% useless.  If you don't know what people are using your software for, or how then you aren't communicating with them.  You know once upon a time companies just talked with people to figur

Re: [Qt-creator] [Development] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Simon Hausmann
Hi, Can you provide a bit more information about how this plugin / frontend fits into the Qt project? Where is the collected data sent to and how is it accessible to the community? (-1 from me, as I think this needs to be clarified) Simon From: Development

Re: [Qt-creator] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Tuukka Turunen
Hi, +1 for creating the repo, but what about qt/qtanalytics as a name? This item could be useful also for other applications. Yours, Tuukka From: Qt-creator on behalf of Tino Pyssysalo Date: Thursday, 22 February 2018 at 13.04 To: "qt-creator@qt-project.org" S

[Qt-creator] Requesting repository for telemetry plugin in Qt Creator

2018-02-22 Thread Tino Pyssysalo
Description: Telemetry plugin (frontend) to collect usage data from Qt Creator to help improving Qt, Qt features, and Qt tools. Non-personal data items, such as duration the user spent in design mode, will be collected in a way, which is completely transparent to the user. Responsible: Tin

[Qt-creator] Reviewing the Qt Creator 4.6 Manual

2018-02-22 Thread Riitta-Leena Miettinen
Hello, The beta version of Qt Creator 4.6 has been released (https://blog.qt.io/blog/2018/02/07/qt-creator-4-6-beta-released/) and we are approaching the release candidate (https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_Creator_Releases). I've documented the changes I am aware of, but I need your help to make sure tha