[QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Hey everyone,I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it.There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq.Lets discuss this interesting topic.Peace,River
[QUAD-L] Hello
Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak
[QUAD-L] Paralyzed Pregnant
TV Alert: Paralyzed and PregnantIn case you missed it, this weekend is your last chance to watch the excellent documentary chronicling wheeler Michelle Carston’s path to motherhood, Paralyzed and Pregnant. Despite the foreboding after-school special title, the one-hour show is an uplifting portrayal of the 35-year-old quad and her son, Pierce, and husband, Peter. It doesn’t skirt around the problems Michelle went through, but resists injecting her experience with reality-show histrionics. Paralyzed and Pregnant airs on the Discovery Health Channel at 4 p.m. EST on Sunday, July 2.
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
In a message dated 7/2/2006 11:55:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm Angelique Novak+ Hello Angelique welcome to the list! I'm Diane from Ohio. A C6/7 resulting from a boating accident in 1990.
[QUAD-L] Hello- Hiya Angel !
Hiya Angel and welcome... another broad, er oops aboard! Interesting story. Are you planning on college in the near future? W In a message dated 7/2/2006 10:55:39 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinalcord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares mycondition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happenedin August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone.-Angelique Novak
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Hi and Welcome I am Kathy from Mississippi. I am usually hanging close to the computer all day. Let me know any time you might want to talk. If I don't answer I won't be off long.
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Welcome Angelique I'm Mark a C5/6 in Arkansas turning 41 on the 5th. ---Original Message--- From: Angelique Novak Date: 07/02/06 10:55:37 To: Quad List Subject: [QUAD-L] Hello Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2.A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents.My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike.He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak .
[QUAD-L] Cervical SCI Research Study
Do you have a cervical spinal cord injury and live in the United States? If so, you qualify for the following research survey. Arm and Hand Function Research Survey The Reeve-Irvine Research Center is conducting a research study to determine more details about the arm/hand impairments experienced by men and women with cervical spinal cord injuries and their knowledge about surgical options to increase function. The information gained from this study will be used to help scientists and medical doctors develop experiments addressing these issues, with the aim of developing therapeutic treatments for people living with SCI. For more information please contact Dr. Kim Anderson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or call 949-824-0056. All information will be kept strictly confidential. Please pass this information on to fellow people living with SCI! Best wishes, Kim Kim Anderson, Ph.D.Assistant Adjunct ProfessorReeve-Irvine Research CenterDept. of Neurological Surgery843 Medical Sciences CourtHewitt Hall, Room 1113University of California, IrvineIrvine, CA 92697-1385Ph. 949-824-0056Fax. 949-824-0057[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.reeve.uci.edu/
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Welcome Angelique! I am also a vent dependent quad, 49, living in Fairfax Virginia. I'm also an RN. We can talk any time! Sandy
[QUAD-L] IM
I have Yahoo Instant Message running all the time. So if anyone wants to chat look me up. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Welcome, Angelique. Sorry you need us, but glad you found us. I think some here can help you. I'm a C-6 incomplete from a diving accident. Bill age 55C6 Incomplete since 7/20/68Leesburg, FLHe had a mind like a Post-It note; it held things but not real tight. - Original Message - From: Angelique Novak To: Quad List Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:54 AM Subject: [QUAD-L] Hello Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinalcord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares mycondition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happenedin August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone.-Angelique Novak
Re: [QUAD-L] reply: hiya
Welcome to the list, Angie, glad to have you with us. I'm a 38 yr old c3 quad from Transverse Myelitis and reside in FL. Stephanie
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Angie, I'm vent dependent and live in Milwaukee so we're practically neighbors eh? Eric Angelique Novak wrote: Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Forgot to mention you might want to join the vent-users list. Generates very little mail so you don't have to worry about being swamped. Send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and typesubscribein the subject line. Who is this mystery man that told you about this list? Eric Angelique Novak wrote: Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2. A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents. My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike. He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak
[QUAD-L] Vacations
Any good web sites for vacations for wheelchair users? Greg
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
We've had this discussion on here before but it's pointless. These people really get under my skin but hey what can you do? They also have websites and I've read some of their post before just to see what they were talking about and it seems pity plays a big part because they like to talk about shopping and people trying to help them and them refusing help. It seems they're so unaccomplished in their own lives and thinkthat people look up to them like they're really beingheroicafter a terrible accident or something. Then there are the wierd ones that really want to be paralyzed and ask questions like which is the best and safest way to break your back! These people could never handle actually being paralyzed in my opinion. Mark ---Original Message--- From: River Wolfe Date: 07/02/06 09:58:55 To: Quad-List Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River
[QUAD-L] Hello Angelique
Most definitely welcome to the list, Angie! It sounds as if you were only 13 years old when you acquired your injury. I had just turned 15 when I was in a motor vehicle accident with my first boyfriend. A tractor-trailer pullout in front of us after dark but the exact details on the exact cause of what happened is pretty much a mystery. I finished high school and then went on to college. I got my baccalaureate degree in 1988 and began working the fall of 1988 at an Independent Living Center. About four years after that I was diagnosed with syringomyelia and had to have several surgeries that put me out of commission and I stopped working. But I certainly haven't stopped living! My days are completely filled with one thing or another and I never have enough time to do all that I want to do! I have been very fortunate to have some wonderful people come into my life. Especially because I lost both of my parents around the time of my accident. Separate incidents altogether. My current husband and I met on the Internet in late 1995 and were married in 1997. I have to hand it to you to live in such a cold state! I lived 21 years of my 26 years as a quad in upper New York State and I hated the cold. I am now in southern Arizona and I love it! You will receive this note twice because I sent it to both your e-mail address as well as the quad list. Welcome again! Lori C4/5 Complete, 26 years post Tucson, AZ AGE - 41 ---Original Message--- From: Angelique Novak Date: 7/2/2006 8:55:33 AM To: Quad List Subject: [QUAD-L] Hello Hi everybody- I'm Angelique Novak, ventilator dependent quadriplegic from a spinal cord injury at the levels of C1 C2.A wonderful man who shares my condition turned me on to this list. I'm 25, in MN, and live at home with my parents.My injury happened in August of 1994, I was hit by a negligent man driving his car at over 55mph, while crossing the road on my bike.He was at fault. I just wanted to introduce myself to everyone. -Angelique Novak
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hello out there ... this is my 1st time e-mailing here and i hope it works. i have been a quad for 25 years ... it was a diving accident. i'm an old quad ... 59 years old and live in central, fl. i need advice in finding an attendant. my wife wants a life of her own, so i need to find one. any help will be deeply appreciated. alan labarr
[QUAD-L] Hello
i think i messed eveything up. did anyone get my message? alan
Re: [QUAD-L] Hello
Sure did! Welcome! Silas - Original Message - From: ALAN LABARR To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Hello i think i messed eveything up. did anyone get my message? alan
FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
OK, I consider myself to be a fairly open-minded, non-judgemental person. However, this transabled business is absolutely sick. No one in his right mind would purposely welcome the suffering that we onthis list must endure. It nearly made me nauseous to read the web site below. Unbelievable. http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/ We've had this discussion on here before but it's pointless. These people really get under my skin but hey what can you do? They also have websites and I've read some of their post before just to see what they were talking about and it seems pity plays a big part because they like to talk about shopping and people trying to help them and them refusing help. It seems they're so unaccomplished in their own lives and think that people look up to them like they're really being heroic after a terrible accident or something. Then there are the wierd ones that really want to be paralyzed and ask questions like which is the best and safest way to break your back! These people could never handle actually being paralyzed in my opinion. Mark ---Original Message--- From: River Wolfe Date: 07/02/06 09:58:55 To: Quad-List Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of wheelchair pretenders for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who need to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a mental illness that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River IMSTP.gif Description: GIF image
Re: [QUAD-L] Vacations
www.EmergingHorizons.comwww.CandyHarrington.com - Original Message - From: Greg To: quad-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 4:15 PM Subject: [QUAD-L] Vacations Any good web sites for vacations for wheelchair users? Greg
[QUAD-L] Alan - new member
Your message came through fine Alan! It looks like we have a couple of new members almost at the same time -- Angie and Alan. H a possible romance? big age difference but these days age covers a broad spectrum.My husband is 15 1/2 years older than I am and I am sure glad that he is [as far as intellect, love, and company]. If you read my welcome to Angie then you will know my history. This is a great list to be on and I prefer it over other lists. But I am on one other list called theSCIC [Spinal Cord Injury Caregivers] that you might also want to join for a couple of reasons. There are several people on that listwho are in Florida and they talk about Florida a lot. So you might get more answers about caregivers by participating in that list as well. You have to be "okay'd" by the owner of that list but unless there is some wild and wacky reason for someone to be turned down ... people are welcome. For information and how to subscribe go to http://listserv.tamu.edu/cgi/wa?SUBED1=scicA=1 Marie Potts is the list owner and it is PRIMARILY for caregivers but there are several quads on the list as well. I hope that the above address is the correct one but it is is not ... I'm sure someone will correct me [like Dave Kelmer hopefully ;-) ] We have had many discussions on who is the oldest quads living these days so you sound like you are right up there with one other gentlemen that is on this list. Welcome again! Lori C4/5 Complete, 26 years post Tucson, AZ AGE - 41 ---Original Message--- From: ALAN LABARR Date: 7/2/2006 3:50:15 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: [QUAD-L] hello out there . this is my 1st time e-mailing here and i hope it works. i have been a quad for 25 years ... it was a diving accident. i'm an old quad ... 59 years old and live in central, fl. i need advice in finding an attendant. my wife wants a life of her own, so i need to find one. any help will be deeply appreciated. alan labarr
Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Some people have it set up so they know how many people attend their web site [hits] so I would suggest not even going to this web site because, just by doing so, it gives them moreof the attention they need. Setting up a web site for it says it all! It really irritates us when something like this goes on any popular show like Oprah [although very subtely]. As we see it, any person who has any perversion should not be given a public voice no matter what medium they choose! That is our opinion. Lori ---Original Message--- From: William Willis Date: 7/2/2006 4:16:50 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes OK, I consider myself to be a fairly open-minded, non-judgemental person. However, this transabled business is absolutely sick. No one in his right mind would purposely welcome the suffering that we onthis list must endure. It nearly made me nauseous to read the web site below. Unbelievable. http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/
Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
I think you are right on Mark. I joined one a few years ago just because I couldn't believe there was such an interest. There is and it seems to be very much a pity thing. All of them aren't brave enough to go out in public but the ones who do and then write about it are treated like gods. They REALLY hate anyone who is really paralyzed being in their group because we tend to 'judge' them. The girls will take pictures of themselves usually in short skirts and low tops so the guys get a great show of wheelchairs AND sex. What a life. The group I was in had about 1400 members. My last message got me booted - you can probably guess why. Dave Dave www.daveoconnell.com c3-inc-1967 In a message dated 7/2/2006 2:32:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We've had this discussion on here before but it's pointless. These people really get under my skin but hey what can you do? They also have websites and I've read some of their post before just to see what they were talking about and it seems pity plays a big part because they like to talk about shopping and people trying to help them and them refusing help. It seems they're so unaccomplished in their own lives and thinkthat people look up to them like they're really beingheroicafter a terrible accident or something. Then there are the wierd ones that really want to be paralyzed and ask questions like which is the best and safest way to break your back! These people could never handle actually being paralyzed in my opinion. Mark ---Original Message--- From: River Wolfe Date: 07/02/06 09:58:55 To: Quad-List Quad-List Subject: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Hey everyone, I've been aware of the phenomenon of "wheelchair pretenders" for quite some time and haven't seen much discussion about it here on the quad list. At times, I wonder if everyone here is for real, but have usually let it go. What do others think and feel about these people who "need" to be in a chair or pretend to be amputees. This site http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/:states that it is a psychological need much like a person who is born female but their mind their emotions and everything else are programmed to be female - transgendered. I definitely feel there are some folks that fit the transgendered category, you can't help but admit some boys were meant to be girls and vice versa. BUT I definitelly don't believe some folks are born able-bodied and they are really supposed to be disabled, to me that's a "mental illness" that can be dealt with by lots of therapy. In my opinion, these are people who are seeking attention and sympathy, and or they get some sort of sexual satisfaction from pretending to be disabled. They make me wanna scream "go jump off a cliff or dive in the shallow end of a pool and stop pretending, see how you like it then" I simply don't get it. There's even a story of a woman who wanted to have her legs amputated for the hell of it, just to live life as an amputee. Hell, I say lets just send her to Iraq. Lets discuss this interesting topic. Peace, River
FW: Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes
Amen, Lori. From: Lori Michaelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Lori Michaelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Quad quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:51:43 -0700 Some people have it set up so they know how many people attend their web site [hits] so I would suggest not even going to this web site because, just by doing so, it gives them more of the attention they need. Setting up a web site for it says it all! It really irritates us when something like this goes on any popular show like Oprah [although very subtely]. As we see it, any person who has any perversion should not be given a public voice no matter what medium they choose! That is our opinion. Lori ---Original Message--- From: William Willis Date: 7/2/2006 4:16:50 PM To: quad-list@eskimo.com Subject: FW: Re: [QUAD-L] speaking of fakes OK, I consider myself to be a fairly open-minded, non-judgemental person. However, this transabled business is absolutely sick. No one in his right mind would purposely welcome the suffering that we onthis list must endure. It nearly made me nauseous to read the web site below. Unbelievable. http://www.transabled.org/mos/Frontpage/
[QUAD-L] RN- Quad
Hiya Sandy, I forgot to mention that LindaFis also an RN Quad. But she's chosen to visiting hospitals and having doctors work on her butt, rather than being her. Oh, nurses are most defnitely the worst patients to have other than doctors, lol. I think Linda is a C3/4 Complete. Maybe she will stick her head back in the room shortly to see all that she has missed. Let's hope so. Best Wishes W-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:26:56 EDTSubject: Re: [QUAD-L] Hello Welcome Angelique! I am also a vent dependent quad, 49, living in Fairfax Virginia. I'm also an RN. We can talk any time! Sandy Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
Re: [QUAD-L] reply: hiya
No problem.Then Angie, it will be. If you ever have the chance, read up on Ed Roberts of California, who graduated from college in an iron lung and after many years of struggles, became the commish of Human Services in Californina, then started the world's first Center for Independent Living (CIL) W-Original Message-From: Angelique Novak [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Quad List quad-list@eskimo.comSent: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:40:35 -0500Subject: [QUAD-L] reply: hiya Hi W- I took a college course several years ago through the mail. The Institute for Children's Literature. I'm published in several poetry anthologies. That's about the only college I was interested in. It was fun, having something creative to do again, via writing. Btw, I am really not religious, so I prefer "Angelique" or "Angie." No huge deal, just thought I'd mention it. Thanks for the welcome. I've received two! That's nice. -Angelique Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.
