Re: [Quantum Owners] Abridged summary of quantumowners@googlegroups.com - 4 updates in 1 topic

[Nigel Plant]

Very interesting Jim. Thanks for sharing.
Nigel

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> "CANBUS" LED bulbs in older cars.
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> "Jim Hearne" : Jul 08 10:30AM +0100
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> Has anybody seen any articles on why you shouldn’t use “CANBUS” compatible
> LED bulbs in older cars.
> Or, at least not without modifying them first.
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> If not i may write one.
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> Jim
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> Ian Harrison : Jul 08 10:58AM +0100
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> From what I’ve seen, the only thing that makes them CANBUS compatible is a
> built in resistor fooling the computer into thinking it has a working
> filament bulb.
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> nd I missed the point of your post completely.
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> No I’ve not seen an article about this either way.
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> "Jim Hearne" : Jul 08 11:31AM +0100
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> Indeed, the problem is that that resistor is dissipating a lot of heat.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Abridged summary of quantumowners@googlegroups.com - 1 update in 1 topic

[Nigel Plant]

If you visit the OMEX site, you can download the mapping software for OMEX
500 and I believe the manual. However to set up correctly you are best to
get it on a rolling road.  If you call omex they are also very helpful and
will point you in the right direction. Also call Rob Hancock at Qusntum
Sports Cars and he may be able to put you in touch with Mark Burley, who is
very knowledgeable and has a rolling road.

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> Hello all
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> I own a Quantum Xtreme 1800 Zetec
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons

[Nigel Plant]

To answer some of the questions, think mainly Jim's:

There is a lot of history to my turbo zetec. Too much for here, however
will try to pick out relevant points.

My original aim for the turbo was significant performance increase at a
decent price and push the boundaries a little.  The engine originally cost
£150 with 30k miles and had done about another 30 in standard form. I
wasn't worried about the engine at that price and general consensus was
that at LP the zetec would be OK with 8psi boost. I designed and made my
own manifold and modified an intercooler etc. I decided on using a Chinese
Garrett copy turbo. Why? Because when I investigated,  noone could tell me
how good they were, based on data and evidence. Everything was heresay. I
wanted to know so I used one and at £150 was essentially disposable. Anyway
the turbo worked fine no lag and great performance. On the RR it pulled
about 240bhp and 240 ft lb torque.
It did a number of track days, but finally cried enough at Snetterton, when
a chufgjng noise and heavy crankcase pressure indicated a compression issue.
At the time I bought a second engine from a breakers, stripped and rebuilt,
with a spreader plate to reduce compression to 9:1. This was intended as a
temporary configuration to drop the compression to a safe level, with no
real loss of non turbo torque or turbo lag. This configuration was
successful, but the engine was tired and obviously had done a lot more
mileage than the claimed 80k.
So recently I set about rebuilding the original with the intent of finding
the problem and rebuilding to a good and reliable standard.
The current issue is:
Engine 1: scored bore and one broken piston.
Engine 2: worn and oval bores, good pistons.

My first choice is to get the custom forged pistons made through Cambridge
motorsport that use the standard rods, with a plan B of forged pistons and
rods with silvertop con rod lengths and compression height. .
Sorry for the long post and trust me this is very much abbreviated.

Nigel


On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, 18:24 list...@liberator-systems.co.uk, <
lists...@liberator-systems.co.uk> wrote:

> @nigel
> My big bore cvh motor is linered according to Power Engineering who did
> the engine conversion work. It hasn't blown up yet although as I said
> earlier I was planning to replace it with a 2.0 zetec blacktop  for easier
> power increases - may need to re-think that if blacktop piston availability
> is an ongoing issue.
>
> @jimLOL your comments re engine reconditioners - there are certainly some
> dodgy ones. To be fair there are also some decent companies - I have been
> inside several - impressive machinery and skiled folks operating them.  Of
> course s/h engine is always going to be the cheapest option but most are an
> unknown quantity - even if you get a short guarantee you can waste a lot of
> time installing only to discover it has problems and has to be pulled out
> again
>
> John
>
> On Friday, 26 March 2021 at 17:20:39 UTC Jim Hearne wrote:
>
>> Detonation will kill a turbo engine really quickly.
>> And running standard compression it’s going to detonate at anything above
>> a tiny level of boost.
>> What boost were you running ?
>> I assume it has a aftermarket ecu ?, does it have a knock sensor on it ?
>>
>> Not really heard of sleeving being used on a cast iron block but i guess
>> it’s possible.
>> The joint between the sleeve and the block may reduce it’s heat transfer
>> ability which is of course just what you don’t want.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Nigel Plant
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 26, 2021 5:05 PM
>> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>> Silvertop oversize pistons are readily available.
>> I think mine failed due to about 20 track days approx 10 with turbo and
>> too much fuel at start up. I also ran with standard compression and there
>> was significant evidence of pre detonation particularly on the #3 piston
>> which failed. However I dont think it was significant enough to be the
>> cause. I dont yet have the piston, so haven't inspected it in detail.
>> I do have a second engine but that has worn bores. One option is to use
>> that but with the block sleeved so I can reuse those pistons. Does anyone
>> have experience of sleeving, I dont, so am hesitant to go that route.
>>
>> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, 16:37 list...@liberator-systems.co.uk, <
>> list...@liberator-systems.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I was planning to drop a 2.0l blacktop and possibly turbo into my
>>> saloon. This piston availablity issue is making me think twice. Is it the
>>> same problem for the old silvertop? How many manufacturers are there for
>>> standard ty

Re: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons

[Nigel Plant]

Silvertop oversize pistons are readily available.
I think mine failed due to about 20 track days approx 10 with turbo and too
much fuel at start up. I also ran with standard compression and there was
significant evidence of pre detonation particularly on the #3 piston which
failed. However I dont think it was significant enough to be the cause. I
dont yet have the piston, so haven't inspected it in detail.
I do have a second engine but that has worn bores. One option is to use
that but with the block sleeved so I can reuse those pistons. Does anyone
have experience of sleeving, I dont, so am hesitant to go that route.

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021, 16:37 list...@liberator-systems.co.uk, <
lists...@liberator-systems.co.uk> wrote:

> I was planning to drop a 2.0l blacktop and possibly turbo into my saloon.
> This piston availablity issue is making me think twice. Is it the same
> problem for the old silvertop? How many manufacturers are there for
> standard type pistons? Wondering how the engine reconditioning businesses
> source their pistons.
>
> John
>
> On Thursday, 25 March 2021 at 18:36:23 UTC nige...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim, will respond to your other later, some interesting points!
>> Oversize pistons for blacktop are quoted for on plenty of web sites, but
>> are never available. Supplier calls the manufacturer and they all come back
>> with same story.
>> Regards
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, 16:23 Jim Hearne,  wrote:
>>
>>> As you say, i don’t think Ford sells pistons for a Black top Zetec as a
>>> spare, they want you to replace the whole bottom end.
>>> The Zetec SE is the same.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* susanandmartin
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:28 PM
>>> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>>>
>>>
>>> Not that it helps with your quest, but (hopefully) of interest.
>>>
>>> When I was working at Ford we had an engine being tested for cold start
>>> durability at a University. As proof (if it was ever needed) that starting
>>> an engine repeatedly from cold with a fuel-enriched intake mixture would
>>> wreck an engine, there was a need for new pistons after several months and
>>> x000’s of start procedures. When trying to source new pistons, however, it
>>> was found they were not listed as a spare and could only be bought with an
>>> engine block. As this wouldn’t help our engine block durability testing,
>>> great discussions ensued taking several hours and it was agreed some
>>> pistons could be supplied direct from the assembly line (maybe one car was
>>> released without pistons? ). This is a good example of how Ford goes
>>> to great lengths with their testing (and probably other manufacturers do as
>>> well).
>>>
>>> Martin Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Nigel Plant
>>> *Sent: *25 March 2021 12:15
>>> *To: *Quantum Owners Group
>>> *Subject: *[Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Probably one that's right up Jim's street.  Does anyone have the Ford
>>> specification for 2L Zetec blacktop pistons.  Need gudgeon pin diameter,
>>> compression height essentially all the key dimensions.  I have broken a
>>> piston on  my Xtreme turbo such that it needs reboring and cannot get any
>>> standard but oversize pistons.  Am also told that Nural and Mahle have no
>>> production plans to manufacture any.  I can get forged pistons and rods,
>>> which would be better performance wise but didn't want to drop compression
>>> to 8:1 or fork out £1200.  9:1 is my ideal for the power I want.  I have
>>> found a custom piston manufacture for forged pistons alone, but they
>>> require a piston (no problem) and the key specs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For information, I have learnt one interesting point that people may
>>> find useful.  Although the silvertop and black top have different length
>>> conrods (ctr to ctr) and different compression heights.  The combined total
>>> of conrod length and compression height for the silvertop and blacktop are
>>> the same, meaning a set of silvertop conrods and pistons can be used to
>>> replace the blacktop ones.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help on the specs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks Jim, will respond to your other later, some interesting points!
Oversize pistons for blacktop are quoted for on plenty of web sites, but
are never available. Supplier calls the manufacturer and they all come back
with same story.
Regards

On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, 16:23 Jim Hearne,  wrote:

> As you say, i don’t think Ford sells pistons for a Black top Zetec as a
> spare, they want you to replace the whole bottom end.
> The Zetec SE is the same.
>
> Jim
>
>
> *From:* susanandmartin
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 25, 2021 3:28 PM
> *To:* quantumowners@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>
>
> Not that it helps with your quest, but (hopefully) of interest.
>
> When I was working at Ford we had an engine being tested for cold start
> durability at a University. As proof (if it was ever needed) that starting
> an engine repeatedly from cold with a fuel-enriched intake mixture would
> wreck an engine, there was a need for new pistons after several months and
> x000’s of start procedures. When trying to source new pistons, however, it
> was found they were not listed as a spare and could only be bought with an
> engine block. As this wouldn’t help our engine block durability testing,
> great discussions ensued taking several hours and it was agreed some
> pistons could be supplied direct from the assembly line (maybe one car was
> released without pistons? ). This is a good example of how Ford goes to
> great lengths with their testing (and probably other manufacturers do as
> well).
>
> Martin Scott
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Nigel Plant
> *Sent: *25 March 2021 12:15
> *To: *Quantum Owners Group
> *Subject: *[Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons
>
>
>
> Probably one that's right up Jim's street.  Does anyone have the Ford
> specification for 2L Zetec blacktop pistons.  Need gudgeon pin diameter,
> compression height essentially all the key dimensions.  I have broken a
> piston on  my Xtreme turbo such that it needs reboring and cannot get any
> standard but oversize pistons.  Am also told that Nural and Mahle have no
> production plans to manufacture any.  I can get forged pistons and rods,
> which would be better performance wise but didn't want to drop compression
> to 8:1 or fork out £1200.  9:1 is my ideal for the power I want.  I have
> found a custom piston manufacture for forged pistons alone, but they
> require a piston (no problem) and the key specs.
>
>
>
> For information, I have learnt one interesting point that people may find
> useful.  Although the silvertop and black top have different length conrods
> (ctr to ctr) and different compression heights.  The combined total of
> conrod length and compression height for the silvertop and blacktop are the
> same, meaning a set of silvertop conrods and pistons can be used to replace
> the blacktop ones.
>
>
>
> Thanks for any help on the specs.
>
>
>
> Nigel Plant
>
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[Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec Blacktop Pistons

[Nigel Plant]

Probably one that's right up Jim's street.  Does anyone have the Ford 
specification for 2L Zetec blacktop pistons.  Need gudgeon pin diameter, 
compression height essentially all the key dimensions.  I have broken a 
piston on  my Xtreme turbo such that it needs reboring and cannot get any 
standard but oversize pistons.  Am also told that Nural and Mahle have no 
production plans to manufacture any.  I can get forged pistons and rods, 
which would be better performance wise but didn't want to drop compression 
to 8:1 or fork out £1200.  9:1 is my ideal for the power I want.  I have 
found a custom piston manufacture for forged pistons alone, but they 
require a piston (no problem) and the key specs.

For information, I have learnt one interesting point that people may find 
useful.  Although the silvertop and black top have different length conrods 
(ctr to ctr) and different compression heights.  The combined total of 
conrod length and compression height for the silvertop and blacktop are the 
same, meaning a set of silvertop conrods and pistons can be used to replace 
the blacktop ones.

Thanks for any help on the specs.

Nigel Plant

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Extreme Master Cylinder

[Nigel Plant]

Jan, could you please follow up on this. Thanks

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Extreme Master Cylinder

[Nigel Plant]

Hi Karl
As a new Quantum Owner, have you thought about joining the Owners Club?  We
have approximately 160 members and provide a number of events throughout
the year, ranging from days out to a 'track day' at Curborough Sprint
course, which is always great fun. Our highlight of the year is the
national kit car show at Stoneleigh, where we provide barbecue and large
marquee where members gather. Full information is on our web site
www.quantumowners.co.uk. If you contact Jan Haines at
members...@quantumowners.co.uk she will let you have all the relevant
information.
Regards

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Extreme Master Cylinder

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks. Was curious, as my brother built a yellow 1800 zetec xtreme that
has now gone off the radar.

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020, 21:46 karl waller,  wrote:

> QS 65, I have a huge build file and Quantum have confirmed all. Although
> the car was built by the first owner and a guy who restores classic cars,
> it went back to Quantum for finishing off and IVA. I have the build list
> from initial kit order, it just says Pedal Box £112 so I'm unsure if it
> included the Master Cylinder
>
> Karl
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 6:39 PM Nigel Plant  wrote:
>
>> Am curious, what chassis number is yours?
>> Nigel
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Extreme Master Cylinder

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Am curious, what chassis number is yours?
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Extreme Master Cylinder

[Nigel Plant]

Hi Karl
A photo of your pedal box with master cylinder attached would be useful. This 
is to make sure you have the zetec version with master cylinder offset more to 
the offside. I am also pretty sure my master cylinder is a different pipe 
arrangement to yours
 I will post a photo tomorrow, but note the car has ne engine in currently!!!  
As Steve rightly mentions there ate a few Sierra variants and it seems pot luck 
which you have, again I believe they are all interchangeable. I also know mine 
is a rare breed!!!

Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Zetec Blacktop into Saloon -anyone got info/advice?

[Nigel Plant]

If it's of any use, I had a lot of movement in my engine mounts on the black 
top zetec turbo on my xtreme. I had up to 20mm movement on the track. 
Eventually I bit the bullet and bought the vibra technical mounts. Cannot speak 
highly enough of them. Virtually no movement and great damping.  However less 
than 1mm movement, sounds too big an ask for any mounts. Also note this is a 
longitudinal installation on the xtreme.

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[Quantum Owners] Gel coat colour code (red saloon)

[Nigel Plant]

I have a very good car paint and body store nearby.  They can scan your 
existing colour and if you have a panel you can leave with them they will then 
refine the scan by using spray samples to match.
I have used this a couple of times and even with just the scan got perfect 
results.  They even did this just got s single mixed aerosol.

Am sure you must have s similar store in the area.

Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Carburettor

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks Dave.
This helps. I hadn't  spotted this in Haynes.  I  was getting confused
between air and fuel jet sizes.  I combined all sources of info and
concluded mine are correct.  All problems now solved.
Have live to choke, reset it and it now works fine.
Was not getting full throttle, adjuster screw/ clip where cable outer
attached to carb was crackered. Temporarily fixed with novel use of cable
tie.
Thanks all for

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> Hi Nigel.
>
> The Haynes manual has the numbers you state but doesn't define which is
> which - I would assume the main jet was first, but you never know.
> Anyway I've attached a scan of the bit from the manual - hope it helps.
>
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> [image: carb.jpeg]
> Regards
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Carburettor

[Nigel Plant]

So could I just branch another wire onto the choke from the fuel cut off.
Seems basic, but can't find any info on my Haynes wiring diagram for choke.

On Tue, 9 Jul 2019, 12:47 Jim Hearne,  wrote:

> Sorry, yes, fuel shut off solenoid valve on carb.
>
> Jim
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> Thanks Jim. Interesting, fuel shut off os fine but choke wire as dead as a
> dodo. Any reason I shouldn't just branch a wire off the fuel shut off? We
> are talking about the carburettor fuel shut off aren't we?
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Carburettor

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Thanks Jim. Interesting, fuel shut off os fine but choke wire as dead as a 
dodo. Any reason I shouldn't just branch a wire off the fuel shut off? We are 
talking about the carburettor fuel shut off aren't we?

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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 Carburettor

[Nigel Plant]

Hi folks
Two questions, weber 32 dft  1985 XR2 CVH 1.6:
1) I am suspicious that the main jets have at some point been confused. The 
primary is 160 and secondary 150, going by numbers stamped on top. My 
understanding is that primary should be the smaller one. Can anyone pse confirm.
2) What is the live source for the wire going onto the choke please. Having a 
few choke woes.

Regards
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Lights

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks for the inputs. Jim's explanation was a big help. No headlight relays!!  
Rechecked switches and am pretty sure the wiper/ headlight switch is faulty as 
there is no power on the black white wire between this and the indicator stalk 
switch. I assume this wire is the headlight on wire that the indicator stalk 
then uses to select main or dipped. Would appreciate someone's confirmation.  
So presumably the headlight flasher gets its power from the same live as the 
indicators.
So next question is does anyone have a spare switch they wish to sell?
Thanks
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Lights

[Nigel Plant]

May be a daft question, but where are the headlight relays. According to Haynes 
they are not behind fuse box.

Andy, to save me searching as I'm short on time and daughter using car at the 
moment, where is the column earth?

Also looks like the hazard problem is a separate issue. If I play with the 
switch they work. May be catching the shroud.
Thanks
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Lights

[Nigel Plant]

Will do thanks. Have ruled out switch as there is an ignition live output
to relays.

On Fri, 14 Jun 2019, 08:43 Andy Heaton,  wrote:

> Check the earth on the steering column as well nigel.sounds like a
> stalk failure 樂
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> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019, 07:44 Nigel Plant,  wrote:
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>> Hi Guys
>> Have just foind a problem with headlights not working. So am hoping for a
>> quick few pointers before I get onto the detail of wiring diagrams etc.
>>
>> Here are the symptoms:
>> Dipped and main beam headlights do not work.
>> Sidelights work and the flaps do open.
>> Headlights will flash normally using indicator stalk.
>> In checking all systems found that hazards don't work and when hazards
>> switched on indicators don't work, realise that may be logical.
>>
>> All fuses checked and ok.
>>
>> Without consulting wiring diagrams etc I would assume either the
>> headlights are not receiving power from an ignition live (but this would
>> mean hazards are a separate issue) or an earth problem. The latter being a
>> guess as may be linked to all the bad weather we've been having.
>>
>> I've initially discounted a relay as couldn't see how this could explain
>> dip and mains not working.
>>
>> I can go through trouble shooting routines, but the reason for the early
>> post is son gets married on Saturday and is using the car, so am short on
>> time and looking for a quick steer. My starting point will be earth near
>> battery and headlight switch.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Nigel
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[Nigel Plant]

Hi Guys
Have just foind a problem with headlights not working. So am hoping for a quick 
few pointers before I get onto the detail of wiring diagrams etc.  

Here are the symptoms:
Dipped and main beam headlights do not work.
Sidelights work and the flaps do open.
Headlights will flash normally using indicator stalk.
In checking all systems found that hazards don't work and when hazards switched 
on indicators don't work, realise that may be logical.

All fuses checked and ok.

Without consulting wiring diagrams etc I would assume either the headlights are 
not receiving power from an ignition live (but this would mean hazards are a 
separate issue) or an earth problem. The latter being a guess as may be linked 
to all the bad weather we've been having.

I've initially discounted a relay as couldn't see how this could explain dip 
and mains not working.

I can go through trouble shooting routines, but the reason for the early post 
is son gets married on Saturday and is using the car, so am short on time and 
looking for a quick steer. My starting point will be earth near battery and 
headlight switch.

Thanks
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Xtreme Hub again

[Nigel Plant]

Take a look when you strip it. If the outer land has high points or is too
wide the cones sit further apart. Torquing the nuts squeezes the bearing
races which bear on the cones, so if the cones are too far apart, the
bearings tighten. The shims space the bearings further apart. In my mind if
the cone land is machined correctly and there are no high spots then the
shims are not required.

On Wed, 5 Jun 2019, 21:23 Ian Harrison,  wrote:

> Thanks for the comprehensive reply Nigel. I’ll carry on with the fettle
> and fit method.
>
> I have to admit I’m struggling to understand how increasing the overall
> length across both bearings by using a shim stops it seizing up...
>
> Cheers
> Ian
>
>
> On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 at 14:15, Nigel Plant  wrote:
>
>> Hi Ian
>>>
>>> Yes, have had great fun with these wheel bearings. I have measured the
>> land width and compared to the Sierra, although I don't now have the
>> dimensions they were close, leading me to believe any issues were the
>> protrusions, see below..  Trying various approaches over the years the
>> problem seems to have settled.  Initially I tried a number of routes and
>> can't honestly say any single one produced the fix, however this is what I
>> do now and the problem has not resurfaced for a number of years.  It seemed
>> heavily exacerbated during track days, with,I guess, the extremes of
>> cornering, braking and accelerating.  What I now do is the following:
>>
>> 1.  Check the land in the centre of the hub is clean and flat with no
>> protrusions from punch marks caused during removal.  I know from our
>> earlier discussions you do this.
>> 2.  Assemble and torque to spec checking that the wheel is free to
>> rotate.  Sometimes this seems to be so.  I generally do this on the bench
>> and always remove the hub so can easily work on it.
>> 3.  If rotation is tight and I am positive there are no protrusions; I
>> have a choice of three shim sizes 0.1, 0.2 and 0.3 mm thick and use minimum
>> shims between the inner races to allow the bearing to just freely rotate.
>> 4.  Keep checking for tightness.  I carry  a socket and bar in the car
>> and frequently check, when it is convenient.  The only time a problem has
>> occurred is on the track, but not had a problem for a few years now.
>>
>> Having said all that, the big variation can only really be the high spots
>> on the spacer land and I suspect early on I did not do a good enough job of
>> flattening these.  I am probably more diligent now.  If you need any
>> spacers they are readily available on line.  Just measure the bore size and
>> you should find some.  If not I can mail some to you.  The other issue is
>> which side you have the cack thread on.  Can let you know what mine is if
>> you wish and have spent many hours and discussions trying to figure what is
>> correct.  Mine are per standard Sierra guidelines.
>> Regards
>> Nigel
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Xtreme Hub again

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>
> Hi Ian
>
> Yes, have had great fun with these wheel bearings. I have measured the 
land width and compared to the Sierra, although I don't now have the 
dimensions they were close, leading me to believe any issues were the 
protrusions, see below..  Trying various approaches over the years the 
problem seems to have settled.  Initially I tried a number of routes and 
can't honestly say any single one produced the fix, however this is what I 
do now and the problem has not resurfaced for a number of years.  It seemed 
heavily exacerbated during track days, with,I guess, the extremes of 
cornering, braking and accelerating.  What I now do is the following:

1.  Check the land in the centre of the hub is clean and flat with no 
protrusions from punch marks caused during removal.  I know from our 
earlier discussions you do this.
2.  Assemble and torque to spec checking that the wheel is free to rotate.  
Sometimes this seems to be so.  I generally do this on the bench and always 
remove the hub so can easily work on it.
3.  If rotation is tight and I am positive there are no protrusions; I have 
a choice of three shim sizes 0.1, 0.2 and 0.3 mm thick and use minimum 
shims between the inner races to allow the bearing to just freely rotate.
4.  Keep checking for tightness.  I carry  a socket and bar in the car and 
frequently check, when it is convenient.  The only time a problem has 
occurred is on the track, but not had a problem for a few years now.

Having said all that, the big variation can only really be the high spots 
on the spacer land and I suspect early on I did not do a good enough job of 
flattening these.  I am probably more diligent now.  If you need any 
spacers they are readily available on line.  Just measure the bore size and 
you should find some.  If not I can mail some to you.  The other issue is 
which side you have the cack thread on.  Can let you know what mine is if 
you wish and have spent many hours and discussions trying to figure what is 
correct.  Mine are per standard Sierra guidelines.
Regards
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Xtreme Hub again

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Hi Ian
I just typed a long response and it suddenly disappeared. Maybe I posted too 
early. If it shows up shortly all is good. If it doesnt I will redo later.
Regards
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Wiring diagram xtreme

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Have just collected mine, but it's the same as those already posted. 
Steve will send you the Zetec supplement covering the Zetec specific info.
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Wiring diagram xtreme

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No worries. Assume you have checked the obvious, like fuse and relay.

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[Quantum Owners] Wiring diagram xtreme

[Nigel Plant]

I have one, but not here. Should be able to get it tomorrow and send you a pdf. 
Note mine will be for a Zetec  but will be the same for the dash switchgear and 
non engine bits. If someone gets one first no worries.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Xtreme build manual

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Hi Mark
I live in Warwickshire but frequently travel back to Buxton vie Derby, so if 
you need any help etc, pse let me know. Happy to swing by. Mine is a Zetec 
turbo xtreme.
Regards
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 (XR2) Master Brake Cylinder

[Nigel Plant]

For repair kits try bigg red http://www.biggred.co.uk.
I have used them for trying to identify my Sierra master cylinder version on 
the Xtreme. Sent them photos, they identified the correct repair kit. I fitted 
it no problem and worked perfectly. They were real helpful. They also have a 
good search tool on their website.
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Abridged summary of quantumowners@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic

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hi Robert
I posted a response yesterday, but for some reason it hasnt appeared. I am
a little confused by your installation. Firstly, I assume your car has no
heater and secondly where is your cooling fan switch? Mine has a T piece
where your sensor is, with one side of the T going to the heater return and
the other to the same water sensor as yours. My cooling fan switch is on
top of the Tstat housing where your blank is.
Having said all that, my sensor is the same as yours and wss originally
supplied with the raceline assembly by Quantum. So per my missing  post
from yesterday, when it appears, I would try Raceline or a Raceline dealer
such as Burton Power or Demon Tweeks.
Regards
Nigel


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> Hi Robert, It is possible to fit a temp sensor in three places on the
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> 1. Just behind the head where the original Mondeo thermostat would have
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RE: [Quantum Owners] Water Temp Sensor

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On the zetec Xtreme installation, there is no space for a temp sensor on old 
thermostat housing  which is where the raceline bolts on as there is no 
clearance to the bulkhead. The intermediate position is used for a T piece 
connected to the water temp sensor and heater hose. Thus leaving the tstat 
housing for the cooling fan temp sensor.

I will check mine later to see if can help. What about buying from Burton Power 
who sell Raceline or Raceline themselves.

Out of interest have you checked yours? I have found on mine that the tstat 
housing is very high and if the water level is down ie expansion tsnk below the 
sensor the fan performance gets erratic or doesn't work. I assume due to an air 
lock.
Regards
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Rear demist

[Nigel Plant]

Just a simple alternate aporoach, from a bit of random thinking.

You can pick up cheap electric 12v car demisters, that heat the incoming air 
that can then be ducted to the screen. However these seem to be located in the 
far East or the US. 
My take would be buy a 12v hair dryer, not expensive, locate in the boot, then 
duct the air outlet to the screen via methods already described. If this works 
ok, you can then install it properly, take the handle and switch off, tidy the 
housing, make a u shaped mount and wire it in to a switched live from the dash, 
may need a relay.
The hamsters could also use the tube to play in.
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Charging - or not!!

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks Jim, that good to know. I assumed that from the symptoms but didny
know. The alternator voltage was alternator B+ to earth on engine. Will
start tomorrow with earth to body which should then tell me if problem is
with earth or positive. Although will clean and check all.


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> 15V from the alternator where ?, on the warning light wire or the main
> terminals as well.
> If it's the main terminals as well but only 12v at the battery then it
> must be a poor and broken connection between the alternator and starter.
> Either the power wire or the earthing.
>
> Unless it's an injection engine then there is no diode between the warning
> light connection on the alternator and the warning light.
> So the warning light will come on with a voltage difference in either
> direction.
> On injection engines there is a diode so the bulb only lights if the
> battery voltage is higher than the alternator voltage.
> Which is what you are seeing.
>
> Jim
>
> On 13/07/2018 22:58, Nigel Plant wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm around there. Not had much time today, but did hook voltmeter up.
> 15v from alternator, no difference across  battery between engine running
> and not, around 12.6V indicating a poor connection across starter. Main
> battery earth and all auxiliaries cleaned with no difference. Am favouring
> Steve's input and will clean/ check all leads between battery and
> alternator on Sunday, they are very oily!
> The bit I am struggling with is 15v from alternator going to ignition
> bulb, why does it light up? Is it because alternator is supplying a higher
> voltage to bulb than it receives from battery. So there is a nett 2.5 v
> across the bulb. I had always assumed light glowed when battery voltage was
> higher than alternator output. Guess it's all logical unless a diode is
> present preventing a reverse current.
> Some of this is rhetorical  haven't really got my thoughts together yet.
> Still will get there.
> PS Am sorry that me posting this has caused other 2+2's to come out in
> sympathy 
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>> Hi
>>
>> This is really strange - must be down to the weather...  Q2-002 had the
>> same problem, I thought it was the battery, changed it, then a new
>> alternator.  I eventually found thanks to Jim senior that there is a wire
>> from the battery which goes from the battery negative to just above the
>> starter motor - clamped by the bell housing for the clutch - nice thick
>> wire, but totally covered in oil and crud.  When I touched the engine end -
>> it moved.  I just tightened it up again, and the problem seems to have gone
>> away.  I have got a secondary battery earth going to the 'wrong' side of
>> the clutch bell housing, but this does not seem to have much effect as it
>> has at least 5 joins before it gets to the alternator.
>>
>> TTFN
>>
>> James T
>> Q2-002
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Charging - or not!!

[Nigel Plant]

Yes, I'm around there. Not had much time today, but did hook voltmeter up.
15v from alternator, no difference across  battery between engine running
and not, around 12.6V indicating a poor connection across starter. Main
battery earth and all auxiliaries cleaned with no difference. Am favouring
Steve's input and will clean/ check all leads between battery and
alternator on Sunday, they are very oily!
The bit I am struggling with is 15v from alternator going to ignition bulb,
why does it light up? Is it because alternator is supplying a higher
voltage to bulb than it receives from battery. So there is a nett 2.5 v
across the bulb. I had always assumed light glowed when battery voltage was
higher than alternator output. Guess it's all logical unless a diode is
present preventing a reverse current.
Some of this is rhetorical  haven't really got my thoughts together yet.
Still will get there.
PS Am sorry that me posting this has caused other 2+2's to come out in
sympathy 

On Fri, 13 Jul 2018, 21:15 'Jamest142' via Quantum Owners Group, <
quantumowners@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> This is really strange - must be down to the weather...  Q2-002 had the
> same problem, I thought it was the battery, changed it, then a new
> alternator.  I eventually found thanks to Jim senior that there is a wire
> from the battery which goes from the battery negative to just above the
> starter motor - clamped by the bell housing for the clutch - nice thick
> wire, but totally covered in oil and crud.  When I touched the engine end -
> it moved.  I just tightened it up again, and the problem seems to have gone
> away.  I have got a secondary battery earth going to the 'wrong' side of
> the clutch bell housing, but this does not seem to have much effect as it
> has at least 5 joins before it gets to the alternator.
>
> TTFN
>
> James T
> Q2-002
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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 Charging - or not!!

[Nigel Plant]

Went out to the 2+2 and had a flat battery. Seemingly no ignition light on so 
charged battery and tried again. Soon was flat again. Checked the light more 
carefully and it was glowing slightly increasing in intensity if I put 
headlights on. I had missed this as it was nigh on impossible to see in this 
good weather. Put a new alternator on as previously had fitted my Xtreme spare. 
No difference.

After scratching my head I assume an earthing problem somewhere or high 
resistance in wire to charging light. So here's my question. Is there s 
favourite place to start looking on the 2+2?

Also I am used to only two wires on the alternator the battery wires and the 
ignition light (blue). This car had a third connection onto the W terminal 
which I thought was a pulse signal. I couldn't figure what this was for so 
didn't connect it on the new alternator and can't spot anything wrong, apart 
from not charging Any suggestions welcome.

Thanks
Nigel 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Timing Belt

[Nigel Plant]

No not done it yet. Started the job, but first checked alternator with fan
belt off. Lo and behold noise was alternator bearings, had a spare from the
Xtreme so fitted that. So can belt and water pump waiting to be done.
Thanks for all the inputs.
Nigel

On Wed, 11 Jul 2018, 11:49 Jim Hearne,  wrote:

> Hi Martin,
> If you loosen the nut A and the matching one on the other side of the
> mounting.
> And then push a wedge shaped bit of wood in the gap B between the mounting
> and it’s bracket.
> You should find you can push the engine across in the engine bay just
> enough to get the pulley off without lowering the engine.
>
> It’s always worked for me on the 2+2.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> *From:* 'Martin Hodnett' via Quantum Owners Group
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 11, 2018 11:36 AM
> *To:* Quantum Owners Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Timing Belt
>
> Hi Nigel.  You have probably done the job now, I was doing something
> similar at about the same time.  My 2+2 has the 1.6 CVH engine on which the
> camshaft oil seal popped out, that was a load of oil dumped on the roads
> between Uxbridge and Langley - one hell of a mess in the car park.  While I
> was at it, I decided to change the cam belt and that is where the real
> challenge started - very limited clearance.  Top cam belt cover came off no
> problem but the lower one needed the crankshaft pulley removed - not enough
> room to get it out.  After lots of foul language and thumping around, the
> solution was to remove the front engine mount only and lower the engine
> enough to clear the subframe - at its lowest point, there was just enough
> room to remove the pulley - less than 1mm.  I found that I was raising and
> lowering the engine many times to get "comfortable access" to the areas
> needed.  Picture below shows the challenge.
>
> Martin
>
> On Thursday, 17 May 2018 16:26:38 UTC+1, Nigel Plant wrote:
>>
>> Thanks everyone. Have the belt and pump, so job for the weekend.
>> Nigel
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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Increasing Driver Legroom

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks for the responses, looked again and seems straight forward. I had looked 
at the flat raised bit before and assumed it was box section. Now realise it's 
not.
Will sort next weekend all being well. Yes it does have the vertical legs at 
front so will just drill those out per Jim suggestion.
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Emission testing for kit cars

[Nigel Plant]

We did put a club response in and yes, great news. Thanks for highlighting it 
in the first place.
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 Steering Wobble

[Nigel Plant]

It's fun learning a new car!! The 2+2 I recently bought has a slight wobble on 
the steering wheel, similar to wheel unbalance or buckled wheel, but have ruled 
those out. It can first be noticed at around 35 mph, becomes more noticeable at 
higher speeds, whereas wheel unbalance comes in at higher speeds and exists in 
a comparitively narrow band. I have switched front to back wheels and checked 
tyres.
I vaguely remember driving a saloon some years, which had a similar problem, 
which leads me to think there may be some generic issue, part of the reason for 
the post. Have tried to ascertain whether worse on certain corners but no real 
conclusion. All I can think of is drive shafts. No play in any of the wheels.
Any ideas/ experiences appreciated.
Thanks
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 Increasing Driver Legroom

[Nigel Plant]

Being tall, I need to move seat runners back. Haven't taken seats out yet, but 
it doesn't look just like a case of drilling new holes. This is just 
exploratory wondering what others have done before I get stuck in. I probably 
need 2 to 3 inches further back. Do I need a new pair of runners to extend 
existing. Welding not a problem.
Thanks
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Timing Belt

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Thanks everyone. Have the belt and pump, so job for the weekend.
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 Timing Belt

[Nigel Plant]

I need to change the timing belt and water pump - 1.6 CVH. A quick question; is 
there enough space to the side to get the covers off and do this or do I need a 
double jointed chimpanzee, lift the engine a bit etc. I seem to remember 
reading that a Zetec is real tight but CVH is Ok.
Any tips for anything out of the norm is appreciated.
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[Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Carburettor Problems

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks for the responses.  Had quick check of vacuum pipes but nothing obvious. 
Will get Haynes and a gasket set then strip and clean carb.

Also need to put new timing belt on and water pump. Major rattling noise from 
alternator water pump area, so playing safe and belt needs changing.

Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] 2+2 Carburettor Problems

[Nigel Plant]

Hi All
Yes the title is correct, I have just purcahsed a 2+2 in addition to the 
Xtreme.  Driving back from collecting it, it did less than 15mpg!!!  I 
quickly noticed it was idling very fast and smelt as if running very rich.  
Other than that it was fine.  Although have not yet taken air cleaner off 
to check anything, I am assuming:

   - Dirty air cleaner
   - Choke stuck on
   - Mixture incorrectly set, which I assume can adjust.

At this stage am just after any common problems I need to check for.  The 
donor from which all parts come from is a Fiesta XR2 registered in Dec 
1985, I assume a mk 2.  1600 cvh.

Next stage will be strip and rebuild the carburettor.  Does the appropriate 
Haynes have instructions for stripping the carburettor?  Its ben about 40 
years since I've played with anything other than a lawnmower carb.  The car 
has ben stood for 6 months every year so am also slightly concerned may be 
some gumming of the fuel, although unlikely as would expect to see other 
problems .

Any help appreciated

Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Department of Transport Proposals

[Nigel Plant]

Have just picked up on this thread and plan to provide a response on behalf of 
the Owners Club, but any individual responses to the consultation would be good 
too. I will pick up on any information in this thread, but would also be happy 
with any e mailed information etc to chair...@quantumowners.co.uk. 
Appreciate it being raised on the group, please keep the information and 
thoughts flowing.
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Rubber pads for Xtreame brake pedal.

[Nigel Plant]

... just checked ...and are available through e bay.
Nigel

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> Hi Robert
> All I know is the pedals are standard Sierra,
> Nigel
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[Quantum Owners] Rubber pads for Xtreame brake pedal.

[Nigel Plant]

Hi Robert
All I know is the pedals are standard Sierra, 
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Quantum mechanics

[Nigel Plant]

Sorry.  I should have added that we are aiming to ensure everyone who has 
not received a magazine will do so.

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Quantum mechanics

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Hi
We discussed this at the Committee meeting and apologise for this.  We are 
investigating the issue to determine how widespread it is.  There will be a 
letter in the August Magazine, the circulation  will tally with our list of 
members, which is also being checked.  In this we are requesting any paid 
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Zetec Crank Position Sensor

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Laughing. Hadn't realised my accurate positioning if the housings.  Purely 
unintentional, but funny.

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[Quantum Owners] Zetec Crank Position Sensor

[Nigel Plant]

Thanks guys. Thats what Id found too, was clinging on to the slim hope it may 
be wrong abd the engine did not have to come out. Have now looked at housings 
and are quite different. Oh well guess what Im doing tomorrow. Castle Combe is 
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[Quantum Owners] Zetec Crank Position Sensor

[Nigel Plant]

Have rebuilt an engine for my zetec xtreme, but cannot get it started. The Omex 
ECU is not seeing the CPS signal. Have checked all wiring, sensor and signals. 
Have put an oscilloscope at the ECU end of the wiring and although getting a 
signal of sorts it is very noisy. I finally decided to check the flywheel holes 
line up with the sensor hole and it seems there is about 2 or 3mm offset.

Now the question. The new engine is from an automatic. Flywheel etc from my old 
engine. Can anyone tell me conclusively if the automatic CPS is in a different 
position to the manual one. A bit if googling indicates it is, so looks like 
engine out again. Ouch.

Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Xtreame Front Bearings torque settings?

[Nigel Plant]

Long topic this. The Xtreme front hubs have the same internal bearing housing 
as the Sierra hubs, use the same bearings and tightening torque. From memory 
around 300 NM of torque.
Thats the easy bit.
I had problems as have some others with the nuts caysing the bearings to 
tighren when torqued, I also have hadnproblems on track days eith the nuts 
loosening. I think it is solved now, since putting a new hub on.
What I do is; clean the centre lands in the bearing housing so that there are 
no high spots from punching the bearing cones out; then bench assembly to the 
specced torque, if the wheel spins freely all good. If it clamps up I put a 
very thin shim between the inner bearing race and centre land and tighten. I 
think the issue was poor control of the tolerance on the centre land thickness 
on some hubs. I did compare mine with a sierra hub and it was slightly down, 
but i didnt know what the design dimensions are. I have shims if you ever need 
any.
Hope thats useful. The short answer is use Sierra torque, howdver if nousy, 
surely they should be changed or maybe thats whst you are doing.
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Xtreme News

[Nigel Plant]

Sorry forthe delay, Mark e mailed, but have been in Holland for a couple of 
days; he asked to let everyone know he is now up and running again to support 
the Xtreme, can supply body panels and will have the rolling road operational 
very soon. He asks that people use the e mail address i...@quantumcars.eu.
Goid news.

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[Quantum Owners] Zetec engines

[Nigel Plant]

They are not a bad price for a new engine. The zetec's are a very strong and 
reliable engine. The bigger question is do you really need a new one?  Ive just 
picked up one with 80k miles for £130 as a spare and there are plenty for 
around £150 to £200. 
It really depends what your objectives are?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec

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Thanks Jim and Ian
Jim, if you still have dreams of that, I will have a complete Cougar body 
less engine you can have for £50.  Which is just to cover College costs of 
collection.

Regards

Nigel

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 1:34:14 PM UTC+1, Jim Hearne wrote:
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> As far as i know it will be, the Cougar is Mk2 Mondeo mechanically, just 
> with a different body.
> I had ideas of making a 4x4 Cougar at one point using the Mk1 Mondeo 4x4 
> parts.
>
> Jim
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> Question probably targeted at Jim H.  Can anyone please confirm if the 2L 
> Zetec blacktop in a Ford Cougar is the same spec as in a Mondeo/ Focus. 
> Thanks
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[Quantum Owners] 2L Zetec

[Nigel Plant]

Question probably targeted at Jim H.  Can anyone please confirm if the 2L 
Zetec blacktop in a Ford Cougar is the same spec as in a Mondeo/ Focus.
Thanks
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Xtreme Windscreen

[Nigel Plant]

For information should anyone require an Xtreme windscreen. I recently had 
to replace mine.  A local glazier cut one from a laminated sheet to the 
template of my old screen, marked it for vehicles, total cost £45. 
 Location Leamington Spa.

I also bought a heated screen a while ago from Mark Burley, complete with 
wiring and relay.  I decided not to fit it so should anyone want a heated 
screen please contact me, I will want some payment for this.

Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Passion for Power Event, 20th August

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Hi members

This is your last chance to atend this show free of charge.The event is on our 
website, details are in the recently issued magazine and esrlier in this 
thread. It is an excellent show and we wil have our gazebo and flags to 
highlight the Quantum presence.
Anyone wishing to attend please e mail me chair...@quantumowners.co.uk, with 
car model and reg no. Your name would be helpful too!!

Regards

Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Shugborough

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Hi
No stand has been arranged through the committee. If you ho we will be 
knterested in feedback about the show.
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[Quantum Owners] Passion for Power Event, 20th August

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Sorry for the delay, have been on holiday. As soon as possible please.

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[Quantum Owners] Passion for Power Event, 20th August

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The above event is a show well worth visiting wuth exhibits including Classic 
cars, Muscle cars, Super cars, Luxury cars abd more together with an excellent 
range of accessory stands. It is the only northern (well almost) event we hold 
being at National Trust's Tatton Park, nr Knutsford in Cheshire
The Web link is 
http://events.tattonpark.org.uk/viewEvent.aspx?eid=53998=6360724800=6360733440

Quantum Owners Club have a stand booked with space for 10+ cars and will have 
gazebo and club flags to promote our marquein amongst non kit car clubs. Entry 
is free for pre registered cars. To register, please e mail me at 
chair...@quantumowners.co.uk giving your name, car model and reg number.

It will be a fun day and please feel free to bring a picnic. Look forward to 
seeing plenty of owners there. 

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Xtreame dampener adjustment ?

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I generally agree with Ian's comments, but I if its that noticeable, I would be 
surprised if it was the dampers. Other things to check are the spring rates. If 
Quantum supplied them, they had three different sets, road, road / track  and 
track. I switched from road to road/ track. That was far more noticeable than 
any changes I made to damper settings. If you want to try, I still have the 
original road springs. I covered this in a QM article once giving the actual 
rates. If necessary  I could dig them out. Also check how tight the suspension 
bolts are at the back. I have heard that they can be overtightened, clamping 
the suspension, causing the ride height to 'ratchet' down with driving. Finally 
check the spring preload by measuring the ride height, just in front of rear 
snd behind front wheels. By memory it should be 5.5 and 5 inches rear to front 
respectively.
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Xtreme LSD

[Nigel Plant]

Am now looking for a slippy diff for the turbo xtreme and hsve been researching 
the various types. My current diff is the sierra 7.5 inch lobro shafts, I may 
buy new internals or a second hand plate type. Practical options seem to boil 
down to Quaife ATB or Titan plate for new, or a standard ford plate type SH 
unit. It also seems that options for the 7.5 inch are significantly more 
expensive than the 7 inch.

What I am interested in are peoples experiences wuth the various types eg is 
the loss of drive with the Quaife when one wheel completely loses grip a real 
issue? I mainly use the car for track days, with maybe 1000 miles oa of road.

See you at Stobeleigh

Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Xtreame fuel pump upgrade?

[Nigel Plant]

Hi Robert. I suspect you gave the standard Quantum set up with flow and return 
pipe. On Omex system, when you first turn ignigion on without starting the pump 
pressurises for approx 10 secs then stops. It is noisy. Whats puzzling me is 
that there shouldn't be sny difference switching from plenum to bodies, so you 
must have changed something. I am actually puzzled as to why you didnt have the 
noise before. 
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Xtreame fuel pump upgrade?

[Nigel Plant]

Sorry forgot the sump bit. Mine is standard blacktop, with alloy sump casing 
and steel pan on bottom. It does look low, but has never been a major  problem, 
but I do go sliwly over speed bumps. A few times I have scraped it going fast 
on bumpy roads snd off track excursions. When I had the sump off a couple of 
years ago, I welded a 3 mm pkate on the bottom as it was getting a little thin. 
I believe Ian H has same configuration too.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Braking Question

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Im a facebook numpty, but has anyone hooked up the guy who asked the question 
to this google group?
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Cipher

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Can anyone wiser than me explain ehy the 2+2, the subjectof the original post 
bshows as ended, but when clicking on ghe item shiws as 20 mins left to run? 
Was thinking about having a pop, but ...

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Quantum Sunrunner

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Fat fingers. Correct - should be none were sold. Thanks.

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[Quantum Owners] Quantum Sunrunner

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Happy New Year.  I have been contacted by a gentleman whi is building a 
Sunrunner and needing technical support, no doubt he will be posting on here 
soon!  In the meantime it would  be really heloful if anyone knows of the 
location of a complete Sunrunner. To my knowledge nine were ever sold! This 
gentleman, based near Walsall obtained his from Staffordshire University, when 
they closed the motorsport department. It is chassis number 003. I believe 001 
was the green original owned by Quantum Heritage and 002 unknown.
If anyone can help please post.
Regards
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[Quantum Owners] Xtreme Build manual

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Not for a build manual, but am interested in what happened to the car, if you 
know.
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Xtreme Build manual

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Yes, i'd seen those previously, a shame, was curious about the final resting 
place etc, which you answered. Best wishes.  Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Misfiring Zetec

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Hi Bob
Is yours an Xtreme? If so, am curious about the inlet manifold configuration, 
but as for the misfire, would either suspect a wire connection issue on the 
injectors (did you buy it with turbo?) Or if an xtreme and the turbo sits high 
with coil pack on the side, the turbine can be quite near the coil pack, 
causing it to get too hot. I shielded mine to avoid a potential problem
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[Quantum Owners] 2 plus 2 Sale Knutsford

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I have today been contacted by a Sam Dawson who is buyig a 2+2, from a member 
called Alan in/ near Knutsford. Unfortunately Sam only has the ad contact 
details which are no longer valid, hence contacted the Owners Club for help. 
The downside is the membership sec is on holiday currently so cannot access our 
members list till Friday. If Alan reads this could you please contact Sam or 
let me have your contact info, so I can pass it on.
Thanks
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Quantum

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I have been 'talking' to Mark Burley recently about support and he is working 
the problem. Long term it will be sorted, but there us a short term problem. I 
will pursue this for you and see if it helps. 
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Quantum

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Hi Alan
I have been in touch with Mark, he is currently on holiday andvhas promised to 
sort this when he gets back - I am trying to source a windscreen,  which I 
broke at Donington last week. Now i understand more about your situation, i 
will get in touch and get an assurance he can supply. Before I do would that be 
good enough for you?

For all xtreme owners to note: Mark is committed to the Xtreme and has 
experienced difficulties with the current depressed market. To keep things 
alive he is working a full time job and will fully resurrect things in the 
medium term.  Using the e mail he will continue to supply parts. He has asked 
for our patience and support during what us a difficult time for him. This 
topic will be discussed at the committee meeting in October. Although it is 
frustrating, we all have a common goal and I am sure this will eventually come 
good. I realise this could generate lots of posts, positive and negative. I 
respectfully request everyone to keep any posts positive and constructive.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Front ball joints on Xtreme

[Nigel Plant]

Hmm an interesting one, note mine erre metro too. First a few checks, which you 
have likley done.
Offer the two metro joints to each other mating the old joint against the new 
one, troughs into peaks. A good visual check on the thread pitch. Check the 
minor diameter too with a sharp edged digital verner.

I also note you have put the joints into the hub and are trying to assemble 
that into the a link. I struggle that way and tend to screw into the A link 
first and then assemble to the hub. As the large threads are similar on the 
metro joint and quantum adaptor (i thought the same) are you reassembling with 
the same joint orientation? I would also disassemble the joints off the hub and 
try to screw into the A link unencumbered by the hub.

You seem to be doing everything correctly, but i cant help feeling there is 
something being missed here. Sorry this is not super helpful, but i would 
persevere double and triple checking. If the problem still persists, try a 
different brand of metro joint. 
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Progress pics of my Xtreme (suggestions welcomed)

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Hi Rickie
Did you ever sort your new seats? Just asking as i need to find some. Are there 
any markings on yours to tell who the manufacturer is as thats what I am after. 
I have tried a few places , but havent as yet found any suitable. 
Regards 
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Xtreme owners across the UK

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Thanks, this thread has been good. The committee are working towards a 
register of owners locations that can be made available to other members, 
within the constraints of data protection. There will be more information in 
future mags about this. Information from these posts will be helpful. It was 
just ftom your post, I wanted to be sure we ciuld link to your membership.
Was that Mark's suoetcharged Xtreme? And do you do trackdays? Im alwsys looking 
to get other Q's out at track days, althoigh appreciate most of whst i do are 
midlands and north!

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Xtreme owners across the UK

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Hi sssline
would you please mind introducing yourself and car; as there is no name 
appearing on the post and looks like you msy be new to the group, also where 
you are located, as Southams doesnt seem to exist!! 
That aside how was llandow, did it stay dry?
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Event in the Midlands Sunday 26 July 2015

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Hi Maxine
I may be bailing out tomorrow due to the weather. Will judge in the morning, 
but it looks like it will be continuous all day, which isnt great fun in the 
Xtreme.
Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Xtreme owners across the UK

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Hey James, does that mean the repairs are underway?
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[Quantum Owners] Re: Xtreme owners across the UK

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Southam, Warwickshire

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Progress pics of my Xtreme (suggestions welcomed)

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Paul Fenning has just bought seats from Intatrim in Telford, I think Magellan 
style. Perhaps best to drop him an e mail at treasu...@quantumowners.co.uk and 
am sure he will gladly give you the details.
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[Quantum Owners] Stoneleigh

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Thanks Keith. Its always good to meet new members too.

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[Quantum Owners] Rover v8 switch to CBR600 ITBs 1st start !

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Well done, good news. Im puzzled though, whats the purpose of the funnel? Looks 
like its feeding fuel in, but it cant be as pressure wouldnt be enough,  so 
feel im missing something?
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] 003 engine update.

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I may have access to a sandblaster at work. Will check Monday.
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[Quantum Owners] Curborough 2014 Pics

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Yes an excellent day, well done Vince and yet again you came up trumps on the 
weather.

Thanks for the photos James, hadnt realised you'd been quite so prolific with 
the camera.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Extreme fuel pump

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Well done, swung by work today to get manual, but guess its not needed now. 
Pleased you solved it.
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[Quantum Owners] adding fuel out let to bottom of Xtreme tank

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Sorry had missed this post. The original tank as supplied by Q hsd the oitlet 
at the bottom, but for some reason I cant remember, I beleve it was a late 
addition by Q, when they started the zetec and injection route. The inside of 
the tank has a kind of swirl baffle system, to attempt to prevent the outlet 
becoming fuelless! However this didnt work well on mine and some others that I 
know of. On left hand corners on the track or once going onto the M27, with 
guel tank less than half full, the engine would die through fuel starvation.
I looked at putting a swirl pot on, but couldnt find any plce to put one. I 
eventually welded an aux catch tank under the existing outlet together with 
additional feed holes to cover all corners!  I also kmow Q did a mod to another 
owners car which was simpler and I didnt think as good, but I do know it is 
working fine.
I have photos that I can send you and more details if you are interested or 
better still can have a chat if you are at curborough.

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Extreme fuel pump

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Haven't been able to check the car yet but have checked the Zetec build 
manual and Omex wiri8ng diagram.
Connector pin 3 (blue wire) of the Omex 500 is an aux used for a relay 
powering the fuel pump, coil pack, injectors and lambda.  There is a wiring 
diagram for this in the Zetc/ Omex supplement.  Can scan and send if you 
wish.
 
On a separate note, I see your e mail address 'via gelia'  this was the 
local name given to the road from Newhaven to Cromford, near where I grew 
up in Buxton.  Is there a connection!
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Extreme fuel pump

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Bit of a cock up. Took manual to work, forgot to bring it home and am not 
planning to be at work tomorrow. I may swing by, but if not will be wednesday. 
Tbh if you google omex 500 wiring diagram, there are loads, the main difference 
being the source of the main feed.

You stil live in Derbys?

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Re: [Quantum Owners] adding fuel out let to bottom of Xtreme tank

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Can you please let me have your e mail adress and I will try to do it tonight. 
Buckling not a problem
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: Extreme fuel pump

[Nigel Plant]

Ok. Will check mine later, I was going ny memory. What engine management is
it? Something isnt sounding correct here.
Nigel
On 26 Oct 2014 21:10, Dave Gell viagel...@btinternet.com wrote:

 Yes I have the build manual but there is no ref to fuel pump relay. It
 does mention fuel pump wiring on the rear connection section but the
 colours are not the same? Man says white/purple and black earth. Wires to
 my pump are brown and black/red? There is no amendment page in my manual?

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[Quantum Owners] Re: Extreme fuel pump

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There will be a relay near the fusebox which is usually located under the 
scuttle on passenger side, check that and the fuse. Good luck.
Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Extreme fuel pump

[Nigel Plant]

As chris says,  take the rear tub off, it seems a big job, but is actually 
quite easy. When you put a new one on, put it on the bulkhead behind the 
passenger seat, per Chris above, ghen you can easily access with just taking 
the rear NS wheel off.

Is your car injection or carb? Mine is injection and the tank outlet is on the 
tank bottom, so am a little puzzled why the pump is on top, unless this is how 
earlier ones were plumbed with carbs and low pressure pump.

Note also when removing the tub, you will likely have to remove harnesses at 
the top, where they attach throigh the tub and also there maybe two self 
tappers behind the seats holding the tub panel against frame. There are also 
two fasteners at the front botyom of the wheel arch, to stop it flapping around.

Nigel

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[Quantum Owners] Re: CURBOROUGH PRACTISE DAY SATURDAY 1ST NOVEMBER 2014

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Hope youve got me on the list Vince, and ordered the good weather.
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[Quantum Owners] Extreme

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Welcome to being a Quantum owner. The only source of the specs would likely be 
Quantum themselves or a previous owner. It is possible someone on here may know 
the car. 

Most of the Xtremes are Ford Pinto engines, and later ones have the Zetec in 
its various guises. A few have different engines as on offs. Yours as a 52 reg 
is probably pinto.

You are though certainly in the right place to ask any questions regarding 
these brilliant little cars.

Nigel

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Re: [Quantum Owners] Xtreme exhaust silencer

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If you do go that way, no problem for me to pick it up for you and use
Quantum post!!
On 20 Sep 2014 21:28, Chris Withers cwithers1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Nigel, I'll look into it.

 On Friday, September 19, 2014, Nigel Plant nigelp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Chris
 Just bought a silencer and pipes for the turbo conversion from custom
 chrome in Nuneaton. Excellent prices and will make to your exact
 requirements.
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[Quantum Owners] Thinking About Getting Team Dynamics Alloys - Any Good?

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They're very good wheels, especially the pro race range. Out of interest I am 
looking for a second set of wheels for the Xtreme, who are you buying from?
Nigel

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