subject:"\[qubes\-users\] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit."

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 4:35:09 PM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> On Fri, March 23, 2018 8:26 pm, cooloutac wrote:
> 
> >
> > But it has nothing to do with increasing the private size.  again,  you
> > are talking out of your ass again.  You already said you don't even use
> > it you use 3.2.   But how did you download it?  you didn't use a browser
> > with a linux template.
> >
> > I might have to change your name from awokd to a afaked.
> 
> And there you go again. If you aren't going to listen, I can't help you.

I don't listen to liars homey.  I despise them.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Fri, March 23, 2018 8:26 pm, cooloutac wrote:

>
> But it has nothing to do with increasing the private size.  again,  you
> are talking out of your ass again.  You already said you don't even use
> it you use 3.2.   But how did you download it?  you didn't use a browser
> with a linux template.
>
> I might have to change your name from awokd to a afaked.

And there you go again. If you aren't going to listen, I can't help you.


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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:54:10 AM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> On Fri, March 23, 2018 2:33 pm, cooloutac wrote:
> 
> 
> > And yes as I said you didn't download 4.0 from your 3.2 machine.
> 
> I didn't realize that's what you were implying. I did, in fact. I had to
> increase the default private space associated with the AppVM, but it
> seemed pretty trivial to me at the time.
> 
> > But don't you think it would be wise to have instructions so people know
> > how to upgrade to latest Qubes,  if they use Qubes?
> 
> You may have a point here. I could at least propose adding a pointer to
> the relevant section in the doc. Thanks!
> 
> > I feel like qubes
> > has been sabotaged for over a year and a half now.   Sorry for being
> > paranoid lol.  BUt that fact the 4.0 ISO is 100mb too much to download on
> > a default Qubes appvm  is just too crazy...
> 
> Personally, I think you are reading too much into it.

But it has nothing to do with increasing the private size.  again,  you are 
talking out of your ass again.  You already said you don't even use it you use 
3.2.   But how did you download it?  you didn't use a browser with a linux 
template.

I might have to change your name from awokd to a afaked.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Fri, March 23, 2018 2:33 pm, cooloutac wrote:


> And yes as I said you didn't download 4.0 from your 3.2 machine.

I didn't realize that's what you were implying. I did, in fact. I had to
increase the default private space associated with the AppVM, but it
seemed pretty trivial to me at the time.

> But don't you think it would be wise to have instructions so people know
> how to upgrade to latest Qubes,  if they use Qubes?

You may have a point here. I could at least propose adding a pointer to
the relevant section in the doc. Thanks!

> I feel like qubes
> has been sabotaged for over a year and a half now.   Sorry for being
> paranoid lol.  BUt that fact the 4.0 ISO is 100mb too much to download on
> a default Qubes appvm  is just too crazy...

Personally, I think you are reading too much into it.


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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 10:26:46 AM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> On Fri, March 23, 2018 2:18 pm, cooloutac wrote:
> > On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:46:51 AM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> 
> >> Your conclusions are not supported by the facts in evidence. An
> >> alternative explanation for my not knowing debian-9 was not in the 3.2
> >> repo could be I'd installed it so long ago on my daily driver, I forgot
> >>  where I got it from (although I still swear it was in the repo at some
> >>  point).
> 
> > The thing is you were suggesting me to do something you've never done
> > yourself.   That was my point.  I try never to do that unless stating so.
> 
> Ah, but I thought I had.
> 
> > I doubt Qubes is your sole operating machine, and I doubt you downloaded
> > Qubes 4.0 on it.  Same goes for Yuratheia.  And thats fine,  nothing
> > wrong with that.
> 
> I have more than one computer, but my primary one (aka daily driver) runs
> 3.2.

debian-9 was never in the 3.2 repos.  Its stated as such in the docs.   They 
also state they will support 3.2 for a year after 4.0 has its final release.  
But I guess the avg user will have to know how to update their debian-9.  Or 
just abandon debian.   You can't use it as a sys-firewall afterwards and I've 
noticed some other anomalies.
"
   And yes as I said you didn't download 4.0 from your 3.2 machine.  If Steve 
Coleman didn't suggest to use a usb stick I would have never thought of it.   
Oh thats the other problem I had with debian 9.  my cloned one wouldn't load 
gparted as non root when installed.  I have no idea why.  Also had to change my 
sys-usb back to a fedora template.  Im wondering why i'm even using debian for 
anything now...

But don't you think it would be wise to have instructions so people know how to 
upgrade to latest Qubes,  if they use Qubes?   I feel like qubes has been 
sabotaged for over a year and a half now.   Sorry for being paranoid lol.  BUt 
that fact the 4.0 ISO is 100mb too much to download on a default Qubes appvm  
is just too crazy...

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Fri, March 23, 2018 2:18 pm, cooloutac wrote:
> On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:46:51 AM UTC-4, awokd wrote:

>> Your conclusions are not supported by the facts in evidence. An
>> alternative explanation for my not knowing debian-9 was not in the 3.2
>> repo could be I'd installed it so long ago on my daily driver, I forgot
>>  where I got it from (although I still swear it was in the repo at some
>>  point).

> The thing is you were suggesting me to do something you've never done
> yourself.   That was my point.  I try never to do that unless stating so.

Ah, but I thought I had.

> I doubt Qubes is your sole operating machine, and I doubt you downloaded
> Qubes 4.0 on it.  Same goes for Yuratheia.  And thats fine,  nothing
> wrong with that.

I have more than one computer, but my primary one (aka daily driver) runs
3.2.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Friday, March 23, 2018 at 3:46:51 AM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> On Fri, March 23, 2018 1:32 am, cooloutac wrote:
> 
> > You were the one telling me the debian-9 template was in the repos.  When
> > even the Qubes docs themselves stated it clearly wasn't.   So no offense.
> > But just like most of those 5000 people,  you are obviously not a sole
> > Qubes user either.  Just another cool tech experiment tester.
> >
> >
> > Dual booting also means this is just a "cool tech experiment" to you.
> 
> Your conclusions are not supported by the facts in evidence. An
> alternative explanation for my not knowing debian-9 was not in the 3.2
> repo could be I'd installed it so long ago on my daily driver, I forgot
> where I got it from (although I still swear it was in the repo at some
> point).
> 
> Similarly, I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion about Unman. In
> this thread at least, he seems to be trying to help although many of your
> emails have not been lacking in attitude. I get you were frustrated by the
> problem you were having, but don't forget the saying about flies and
> honey/vinegar.

The thing is you were suggesting me to do something you've never done yourself. 
  That was my point.  I try never to do that unless stating so.   I doubt Qubes 
is your sole operating machine, and I doubt you downloaded Qubes 4.0 on it.  
Same goes for Yuratheia.  And thats fine,  nothing wrong with that.

As for Unman,  hes a typical rude linux guy.  Hes less rude from when he first 
started posting here,  he used to be even worse believe it or not. But I still 
can't stand him.  Qubes and the itl team themselves started to change when he 
started posting on here. 

 Qubes os itself is becoming less and less "user friendly"   Maybe just a 
coincidence? lol  But pretty soon my family will no longer be able to use it.   
So their original goal of being a house hold name is already gone with the wind!

I love Marek he never shows emotion.and Joanna might be considered rude 
lmao,  but she tells it like it is, and shes not afraid to say what everyone 
else is afraid to say.  The things I wish so called security researchers would 
have the balls to say.   And they don't play games!!   and they don't care 
about industry politics!!  They use to post alot here but it seems they have to 
concentrate on their day jobs now and if its guys like Unman influencing 
everything now.  Qubes future is in trouble. 

Even the guys name gives me the creeps.   Is he undoing man?  Is he not really 
human?  lol.   Did his handler mistakenly implant an anarchist to sabotage?  
who knows.

he just told me to make the temp file 4096M after I told him 4.3gb was already 
too small...  Hes asks me if I'm using root, then denies he did.   He asks to 
specify a template and browser when I told him the issue was with all of them 
were.  Doesn't seem like he tried to reproduce the issue himself,  like he said 
he did in another thread upgrading debian-8 to 9.   I felt like he was fkn with 
me,  which is something Marek would never do.

I've liked your posts awokd, and enjoy you posting on here.   But if Unman is 
your idol I'll have to change my opinion of you.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

2018-03-23 Thread haaber

>  I'm talking for people right now who use qubes 3.2 as their sole operating 
> machine for everything in their life.
>  Which probably almost noone in this thread does.  Yuraitha included.  
Here is a counterexample: I did it for one year, now I use exclusively
Q4 on my sole machine.


> Maybe Uman does, not sure,  but he probably drives away as much people as he 
> helps.  I don't even trust him.  I really like most of your posts awokd and 
> you are very helpful to users.  Don't go down Umans path.
You sound upset and bitter, and I am sorry about that. I did not see any
questionable answer from Unman (but I don't read all mails either): he
is often very brief, but this seems to me a question of efficiency: he
answers many questions, I understand well that he won't write long texts
unless necessary. What exactly do you refer to when saying " Don't go
down Umans path.", please ?Bernhard

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Fri, March 23, 2018 1:32 am, cooloutac wrote:

> You were the one telling me the debian-9 template was in the repos.  When
> even the Qubes docs themselves stated it clearly wasn't.   So no offense.
> But just like most of those 5000 people,  you are obviously not a sole
> Qubes user either.  Just another cool tech experiment tester.
>
>
> Dual booting also means this is just a "cool tech experiment" to you.

Your conclusions are not supported by the facts in evidence. An
alternative explanation for my not knowing debian-9 was not in the 3.2
repo could be I'd installed it so long ago on my daily driver, I forgot
where I got it from (although I still swear it was in the repo at some
point).

Similarly, I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion about Unman. In
this thread at least, he seems to be trying to help although many of your
emails have not been lacking in attitude. I get you were frustrated by the
problem you were having, but don't forget the saying about flies and
honey/vinegar.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 9:25:18 PM UTC-4, cooloutac wrote:
> Well Steve it worked.  after formatting the usb to ext, changing ownership of 
> it to user,  and using a non disposable template browser.  I was able to 
> download the 4.4gb iso to it.
> 
> Still not something the avg user would know how to do,  but Qubes is no 
> longer aimed at the average user it seems.  Your solution was simple enough 
> for me at least.
> 
> So Thank you again

Just to clarify in case not obvious,  i meant from the appvm browser,  not from 
within the template.

I would like to upgrade to 4.0 just to see if I still get the same disposable 
vm problems,  but I have a feeling I would find more bugs and worry it will be 
way less user friendly for my family.  Some of which need the use of the pc for 
important matters at the moment.   But at least now I have it downloaded and 
know how to download it in the future.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 5:43:40 PM UTC-4, awokd wrote:
> On Thu, March 22, 2018 8:40 pm, cooloutac wrote:
> > didn't work,  even with the usb formatted as ext4.  and me watching its
> > avaialable space go down as I downloaded, and nothing changing on the
> > root or appvm space,the 4.0 iso failed again at 4.3gb...lmao
> 
> Towards the beginning of this thread, I linked a document about how to
> grow your root/template space. It sounds like you might have missed a step
> so you may want to review it again. Let me know if anything is unclear so
> I can suggest more edits if needed.
> 
> Might be worth trying to download the ISO from a non-Qubes machine just in
> case there's a problem with your network.
> 
> Roughly 5000 people have managed to download and install Qubes 4.0.
> Hopefully you'll be able to join them soon.

You were the one telling me the debian-9 template was in the repos.  When even 
the Qubes docs themselves stated it clearly wasn't.   So no offense.  But just 
like most of those 5000 people,  you are obviously not a sole Qubes user 
either.  Just another cool tech experiment tester.

Dual booting also means this is just a "cool tech experiment" to you.  

 I'm talking for people right now who use qubes 3.2 as their sole operating 
machine for everything in their life.  Which probably almost noone in this 
thread does.  Yuraitha included.  

Maybe Uman does, not sure,  but he probably drives away as much people as he 
helps.  I don't even trust him.  I really like most of your posts awokd and you 
are very helpful to users.  Don't go down Umans path.

If Qubes goal is still really to become a household operating system and not 
just enterprise software.  Then they need to start realizing simple things like 
being able to download the latest version of their own os from within their own 
os should be trivial.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

Well Steve it worked.  after formatting the usb to ext, changing ownership of 
it to user,  and using a non disposable template browser.  I was able to 
download the 4.4gb iso to it.

Still not something the avg user would know how to do,  but Qubes is no longer 
aimed at the average user it seems.  Your solution was simple enough for me at 
least.

So Thank you again.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

well it turns out when I formatted the usb to ext4 with gparted it made it 
owned by root.  Wish I would of known that...

So I did sudo chown user:user on it.

I also might of forgot to set the downloads directory to the usb again when 
loading another dispvm.

But now it turns out I can't even attach the usb anymore to a dispvm without it 
freezing,  wonder if thats cause its ext4 now.  even after rebooting the 
machine... wow..  

Steve are you in cahoots with Uman? haha just kidding i hope.

Now I'm using a non disposable appvm to try and download it onto the usb 
stick...crossing my fingers.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

2018-03-22 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

On Thu, March 22, 2018 8:40 pm, cooloutac wrote:
> didn't work,  even with the usb formatted as ext4.  and me watching its
> avaialable space go down as I downloaded, and nothing changing on the
> root or appvm space,the 4.0 iso failed again at 4.3gb...lmao

Towards the beginning of this thread, I linked a document about how to
grow your root/template space. It sounds like you might have missed a step
so you may want to review it again. Let me know if anything is unclear so
I can suggest more edits if needed.

Might be worth trying to download the ISO from a non-Qubes machine just in
case there's a problem with your network.

Roughly 5000 people have managed to download and install Qubes 4.0.
Hopefully you'll be able to join them soon.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

didn't work,  even with the usb formatted as ext4.  and me watching its 
avaialable space go down as I downloaded, and nothing changing on the root or 
appvm space,the 4.0 iso failed again at 4.3gb...lmao

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

I was wrong it didn't work.  failed at 4.3gb again.  wait its not ext4 like you 
suggested its a fat 32 disk.  let me try again.#^&!@^*^($*&()#$

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 3:56:25 PM UTC-4, cooloutac wrote:
> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-4, steve.coleman wrote:
> > On 03/21/18 11:37, cooloutac wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:16:01 AM UTC-4, Yuraeitha wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:14:33 AM UTC, cooloutac wrote:
> > >>> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> >  On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system 
> > > storage size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I might 
> > > have use resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried to use 
> > > qvm-grow-root  it staid to start template to complete process but it 
> > > also didn't change.
> > 
> > What I do is to use an external USB drive reformatted as an ext4 volume, 
> > use qvm-block to attach it to the download vm, Nautilus in that vm to 
> > mount it, and then have firefox in that VM save it directly to that 
> > external volume. This makes it easy to transfer that entire volume to 
> > where the DVD writer can burn that image and thus it has no long lasting 
> > effects with growing or changing any VM's file systems. You can even use 
> > a DVM to do the download. The trick is to make sure the filesystem type 
> > on that device does not have the screwy 4GB file size limitation.
> 
> Steve I can already tell this is doing the trick,  tyvm!  I appreciate the 
> tip.
> 
> I still think its like some sick joke being played on qubes 3.2 users.  That 
> the 4.0 iso is 100mb larger then the temporary space available  what is 
> up with that? seriously...  I'm talking even with a fresh default template.   
> its 4.2 / 10.5gb available...
> 
> Ajoke Sort of like Uman telling me to make the /tmp 4096M.   Which still 
> would have been again just short of the iso...  I mean come on  Are the 
> devs just trying to get us to stop using Qubes for some reason!?!

Uman even with a fresh template,  and a fresh non disposable vm.  This is the 
issue.   Someone is playing jokes on users.

I was seriously at the point of just going back to buying a cheap machine for 
dedicated banking booting up a hardened linux cd like the US Airfirce Tens, 
formerly known as lps.

I already suspect my qubes is compromised.   But I'm even more paranoid about 
using my windows or bare bones linux machines to download the iso lol.  no 
matter how I verify it.   I'm so paranoid I'm going to delete and recreate the 
sys-usb qube just to use to attach this fresh usb stick I have to dd the iso.

I'm open to any suggestions for an even safer way...

But thanks again Steve.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-4, steve.coleman wrote:
> On 03/21/18 11:37, cooloutac wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:16:01 AM UTC-4, Yuraeitha wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:14:33 AM UTC, cooloutac wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
>  On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system 
> > storage size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I might 
> > have use resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried to use 
> > qvm-grow-root  it staid to start template to complete process but it 
> > also didn't change.
> 
> What I do is to use an external USB drive reformatted as an ext4 volume, 
> use qvm-block to attach it to the download vm, Nautilus in that vm to 
> mount it, and then have firefox in that VM save it directly to that 
> external volume. This makes it easy to transfer that entire volume to 
> where the DVD writer can burn that image and thus it has no long lasting 
> effects with growing or changing any VM's file systems. You can even use 
> a DVM to do the download. The trick is to make sure the filesystem type 
> on that device does not have the screwy 4GB file size limitation.

Steve I can already tell this is doing the trick,  tyvm!  I appreciate the tip.

I still think its like some sick joke being played on qubes 3.2 users.  That 
the 4.0 iso is 100mb larger then the temporary space available  what is up 
with that? seriously...  I'm talking even with a fresh default template.   its 
4.2 / 10.5gb available...

Ajoke Sort of like Uman telling me to make the /tmp 4096M.   Which still would 
have been again just short of the iso...  I mean come on  Are the devs just 
trying to get us to stop using Qubes for some reason!?!

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 12:08:31 PM UTC-4, steve.coleman wrote:
> On 03/21/18 11:37, cooloutac wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:16:01 AM UTC-4, Yuraeitha wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:14:33 AM UTC, cooloutac wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
>  On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system 
> > storage size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I might 
> > have use resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried to use 
> > qvm-grow-root  it staid to start template to complete process but it 
> > also didn't change.
> 
> What I do is to use an external USB drive reformatted as an ext4 volume, 
> use qvm-block to attach it to the download vm, Nautilus in that vm to 
> mount it, and then have firefox in that VM save it directly to that 
> external volume. This makes it easy to transfer that entire volume to 
> where the DVD writer can burn that image and thus it has no long lasting 
> effects with growing or changing any VM's file systems. You can even use 
> a DVM to do the download. The trick is to make sure the filesystem type 
> on that device does not have the screwy 4GB file size limitation.

I might have to try this Steve thankyou for the reply.

Increasing /tmp, or /dev/shm doesn't do anything.  It seems to be all about the 
/dev/mapper/dmroot which I still dont' know how to increase.  As you can see 
from my df -h results:

/dev/mapper/dmroot  9.8G  5.4G  4.0G  58% /
/dev/xvdd   477M  286M  166M  64% 
/usr/lib/modules/4.14.13-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64
devtmpfs141M 0  141M   0% /dev
tmpfs   1.0G   65M  960M   7% /dev/shm
tmpfs   149M  692K  149M   1% /run
tmpfs   149M 0  149M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs   4.9G   11M  4.9G   1% /tmp
tmpfs30M   16K   30M   1% /run/user/1000
[user@fedora-26-clone-untrusted-dvm ~]$ df -h
Filesystem  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/mapper/dmroot  9.8G  5.8G  3.5G  63% /
/dev/xvdd   477M  286M  166M  64% 
/usr/lib/modules/4.14.13-1.pvops.qubes.x86_64
devtmpfs141M 0  141M   0% /dev
tmpfs   1.0G   33M  992M   4% /dev/shm
tmpfs   149M  744K  149M   1% /run
tmpfs   149M 0  149M   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
tmpfs   4.9G   11M  4.9G   1% /tmp
tmpfs30M   24K   30M   1% /run/user/1000


You can see I indeed increased the /tmp file size in the disposable vm.  but as 
I'm downloading its going to /dev/mapper/dmroot...   Every vm is like this by 
default in 3.2 it seems?   I will try your method of setting firefox to save 
the file to the attached usb drive and see if it changes anything.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

2018-03-22 Thread Steve Coleman

On 03/21/18 11:37, cooloutac wrote:

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:16:01 AM UTC-4, Yuraeitha wrote:

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:14:33 AM UTC, cooloutac wrote:

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:

Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space. tried to raise system storage size
on template through qubes manager. messag said I might have use resize2f.
tried that didn't do antyhing. Tried to use qvm-grow-root it staid to start
template to complete process but it also didn't change.

What I do is to use an external USB drive reformatted as an ext4 volume,
use qvm-block to attach it to the download vm, Nautilus in that vm to
mount it, and then have firefox in that VM save it directly to that
external volume. This makes it easy to transfer that entire volume to
where the DVD writer can burn that image and thus it has no long lasting
effects with growing or changing any VM's file systems. You can even use
a DVM to do the download. The trick is to make sure the filesystem type
on that device does not have the screwy 4GB file size limitation.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 2:37:45 PM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:34:51AM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > I'm trying to figure out when UMAN became very active here.  If it was 2 
> > years ago I'm fkn ghost.   Qubes is done...
> > 
> 
> If you look back you'll see I infiltrated the project 3 years ago.
> 
> Started using Qubes 7 years ago - sleeper for 4 years and activated by
> my handler after 4 years. Oops, probably shouldn't have said that.

3 years ago, not two.  hmm  Maybe it took you a year...  Whoever your handler 
is made a big mistake.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 2:29:29 PM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:27:15AM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > maybe simply sudo mount -o remount,size=5000M /tmp  will work.  I'll try it 
> > when I get a chance to use the qubes machine.  But I think the problem is I 
> > need to increase the whole system storage.  And Uman is refusing to tell me 
> > how.  The qubes instructions dont' give detailed instructions.  they just 
> > give the qvm-grow-root command.
> 
> If you're using a Template based appVM then you need to resize the
> root.img of the Template - that's what the error message tells you if
> you use qvm-grow-root on such a qube.
> You'll need to resize the template and shut it down and then restart the
> qube to see the new size.
> 
> That command you've cited will work for resizing /tmp and /dev/shm.
> 
> 
> > 
> > I find it strange uman asks me what I mean by system storage and  Asks me 
> > if I'm using root user lol  wtf...
> > 
> 
> I didn't ask if you were using root to run the download. Obviously I should 
> have
> done.

As I've said I already did this.  and restarted the template.  and saw no 
change.

And why would I use root user? You did ask me this and what does that even mean 
there is no root in qubes appvm??

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 2:06:01 PM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 08:34:31AM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 9:23:38 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 08:14:33PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > > > > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system 
> > > > > > storage size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I 
> > > > > > might have use resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried 
> > > > > > to use qvm-grow-root  it staid to start template to complete 
> > > > > > process but it also didn't change.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >in vm settings it shows the size I specified,  but when running 
> > > > > > nautlius and looking at the space or doing df -h it is still only 
> > > > > > 4.3gb out of 10.5 available.
> > > > > >   I've never downloaded a file this large in qubes so never ran 
> > > > > > into this problem. Only thing I ever had to increase was private 
> > > > > > storage.  I have this issue with all templates.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Qubes 3.2 iso must be under the limit so I was able to download 
> > > > > > that iso but can't donload 4.0 it is too large and fails to 
> > > > > > download.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is there any detailed step by step instructions because I'm 
> > > > > > obviously doing something wrong?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ty for the help.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Rich.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rich,  can you confirm you're using 3.2?
> > > > > 
> > > > > How are you downloading the iso?
> > > > > Are you doing this as root or user?
> > > > > Where are you trying to download it to?
> > > > > 
> > > > > As you have enough space in /home my guess is that you are using /tmp
> > > > > or /dev/shm 
> > > > > If you run df in the qube you're using WHILE the download is running,
> > > > > you should see the free space moving down as the download progresses.
> > > > > Can you check this and report back?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes i'm definitely using 3.2.  
> > > > 
> > > >   it starts off as 4.3 or 4.7 available I believe available out of 
> > > > 10.5gb.  no matter what I set private storage to. its the system 
> > > > storage.I remember marek showing how to increase the temp file 
> > > > storage size when having a diff issue a few qubes versions ago,  when I 
> > > > use to have the issue of playing long video streams cutting off using 
> > > > fedora.  I forget how maybe similar issue here? But it doesn't matter 
> > > > which appvm or template I use. 
> > > > 
> > > > and yes i can see the available space slowly doing down as downloading. 
> > > > using df-h or just watching in file manager.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm trying to download the iso from any vm,  using any template.  
> > > > loading firefox or google chrome and clicking on the iso.  they all 
> > > > have the same problem.   I'd really have ot hate to use some other 
> > > > operating system just to download 4.0,  almost seems like a joke on 
> > > > qubes users, that the extra  100mb's puts me over the top and it fails 
> > > > to download lol.
> > > > 
> > > > I mean I do have media qubes with 100s of gbs of data in there.  But 
> > > > they were copied to vms from usb devices and I did have to increase 
> > > > private storage size.  this seems to be a diff issue.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm a little confused by what you are saying - what does "its the system
> > > storage" mean?
> > > Can you post the output from 'df -h ', and also what value you have set 
> > > the
> > > private storage to .
> > > 
> > > I recommend that you use a single qube for this, rather thsan trying
> > > many templates and many qubes. It will really help with troubleshooting
> > > your problem.
> > > So please say also what template you are using and whether you are using
> > > testing repos.
> > 
> > when you download a file from the internet using a browser it uses temp 
> > storage.  Can you tell me how to increase it please!?!?!   I can't fine 
> > Mareks old post telling me how to do it from the commandline in the past.   
> > The bug I used to have when playing long streams was fixed.   But Now 
> > apparently a similar problem is back when Trying to download this 4.0 iso.
> 
> Using a Debian-9 template, firefox downloads to ~/Downloads. It doesnt
> touch temporary storage. But you can change this under Preferences.
> 
> To increase the size of /tmp or /dev/shm:
> sudo mount -o remount,size=4096M /dev/shm
> 
> Alternatively, create a directory under /:
> sudo mkdir /down
> sudo chown user:user /down
> 
> And set that as target for Downloads in user preferences.
> 
> 
> > 
> > I could never stand your posts on this "forum",  and if you are the main 
> > dev on this project now it might be time to abandon Qubes-os.
> > 
> 
> I'm not

ya thats what I thought, haven't got a cha

Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:34:51AM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> I'm trying to figure out when UMAN became very active here.  If it was 2 
> years ago I'm fkn ghost.   Qubes is done...
> 

If you look back you'll see I infiltrated the project 3 years ago.

Started using Qubes 7 years ago - sleeper for 4 years and activated by
my handler after 4 years. Oops, probably shouldn't have said that.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 09:27:15AM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> maybe simply sudo mount -o remount,size=5000M /tmp  will work.  I'll try it 
> when I get a chance to use the qubes machine.  But I think the problem is I 
> need to increase the whole system storage.  And Uman is refusing to tell me 
> how.  The qubes instructions dont' give detailed instructions.  they just 
> give the qvm-grow-root command.

If you're using a Template based appVM then you need to resize the
root.img of the Template - that's what the error message tells you if
you use qvm-grow-root on such a qube.
You'll need to resize the template and shut it down and then restart the
qube to see the new size.

That command you've cited will work for resizing /tmp and /dev/shm.


> 
> I find it strange uman asks me what I mean by system storage and  Asks me if 
> I'm using root user lol  wtf...
> 

I didn't ask if you were using root to run the download. Obviously I should have
done.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 08:34:31AM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 9:23:38 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 08:14:33PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > > > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system 
> > > > > storage size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I might 
> > > > > have use resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried to use 
> > > > > qvm-grow-root  it staid to start template to complete process but it 
> > > > > also didn't change.
> > > > > 
> > > > >in vm settings it shows the size I specified,  but when running 
> > > > > nautlius and looking at the space or doing df -h it is still only 
> > > > > 4.3gb out of 10.5 available.
> > > > >   I've never downloaded a file this large in qubes so never ran into 
> > > > > this problem. Only thing I ever had to increase was private storage.  
> > > > > I have this issue with all templates.
> > > > >  
> > > > > Qubes 3.2 iso must be under the limit so I was able to download that 
> > > > > iso but can't donload 4.0 it is too large and fails to download.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Is there any detailed step by step instructions because I'm obviously 
> > > > > doing something wrong?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Ty for the help.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rich.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Rich,  can you confirm you're using 3.2?
> > > > 
> > > > How are you downloading the iso?
> > > > Are you doing this as root or user?
> > > > Where are you trying to download it to?
> > > > 
> > > > As you have enough space in /home my guess is that you are using /tmp
> > > > or /dev/shm 
> > > > If you run df in the qube you're using WHILE the download is running,
> > > > you should see the free space moving down as the download progresses.
> > > > Can you check this and report back?
> > > 
> > > Yes i'm definitely using 3.2.  
> > > 
> > >   it starts off as 4.3 or 4.7 available I believe available out of 
> > > 10.5gb.  no matter what I set private storage to. its the system storage. 
> > >I remember marek showing how to increase the temp file storage size 
> > > when having a diff issue a few qubes versions ago,  when I use to have 
> > > the issue of playing long video streams cutting off using fedora.  I 
> > > forget how maybe similar issue here? But it doesn't matter which appvm or 
> > > template I use. 
> > > 
> > > and yes i can see the available space slowly doing down as downloading. 
> > > using df-h or just watching in file manager.
> > > 
> > > I'm trying to download the iso from any vm,  using any template.  loading 
> > > firefox or google chrome and clicking on the iso.  they all have the same 
> > > problem.   I'd really have ot hate to use some other operating system 
> > > just to download 4.0,  almost seems like a joke on qubes users, that the 
> > > extra  100mb's puts me over the top and it fails to download lol.
> > > 
> > > I mean I do have media qubes with 100s of gbs of data in there.  But they 
> > > were copied to vms from usb devices and I did have to increase private 
> > > storage size.  this seems to be a diff issue.
> > > 
> > 
> > I'm a little confused by what you are saying - what does "its the system
> > storage" mean?
> > Can you post the output from 'df -h ', and also what value you have set the
> > private storage to .
> > 
> > I recommend that you use a single qube for this, rather thsan trying
> > many templates and many qubes. It will really help with troubleshooting
> > your problem.
> > So please say also what template you are using and whether you are using
> > testing repos.
> 
> when you download a file from the internet using a browser it uses temp 
> storage.  Can you tell me how to increase it please!?!?!   I can't fine 
> Mareks old post telling me how to do it from the commandline in the past.   
> The bug I used to have when playing long streams was fixed.   But Now 
> apparently a similar problem is back when Trying to download this 4.0 iso.

Using a Debian-9 template, firefox downloads to ~/Downloads. It doesnt
touch temporary storage. But you can change this under Preferences.

To increase the size of /tmp or /dev/shm:
sudo mount -o remount,size=4096M /dev/shm

Alternatively, create a directory under /:
sudo mkdir /down
sudo chown user:user /down

And set that as target for Downloads in user preferences.


> 
> I could never stand your posts on this "forum",  and if you are the main dev 
> on this project now it might be time to abandon Qubes-os.
> 

I'm not

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

I'm trying to figure out when UMAN became very active here.  If it was 2 years 
ago I'm fkn ghost.   Qubes is done...

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

maybe simply sudo mount -o remount,size=5000M /tmp  will work.  I'll try it 
when I get a chance to use the qubes machine.  But I think the problem is I 
need to increase the whole system storage.  And Uman is refusing to tell me 
how.  The qubes instructions dont' give detailed instructions.  they just give 
the qvm-grow-root command.

I find it strange uman asks me what I mean by system storage and  Asks me if 
I'm using root user lol  wtf...

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

Or don't even respond to me anymore. It already seems like most of ITL team
abandoned Qubes. I still think most of us got our hardware compromised over a
year ago due to that bad dom0 update, which got my bank account hacked, right
before intel patched their hardware and right before Joanna came out with the
suggestion of paranoid mode. Call me paranoid if you want but I think its
maybe time I stopped bothering with Qubes.

Only reason I'm still using it is for convenience. But it seems to be getting
less and less convenient.

Seems like Qubes is aimed at enterprises now instead of regular home users.
And ITL's philosophy keeps changing. Richard Stall man even supports secure
boot saying its good for security usage since its failed its intended
purpose..lol. But Joanna is sounding more and more like this nut Tai that
keeps posting on here.

And Now not being able to download the 4.0 iso from Qubes itself is like a fkn
joke on its users.

I guess its like that guy who left qubes-whonix said. It just became a "cool
tech experiment" and that seems to be the only people left using it. Its no
longer anything serious or practical for a home family.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

Also,  it happens with any template with any browser. Why do I have to say that 
again.  Just pick any one and use that for your "troubleshooting".  Everytime I 
see your name now I want to break my fucking computer screen.

Pick a default template.   Pick any fkn browser and tell me how to download 
qubes 4.0 without it failing due to not enough temporary space.

only testing repo I use is the security one.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 10:16:01 AM UTC-4, Yuraeitha wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:14:33 AM UTC, cooloutac wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system 
> > > > storage size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I might 
> > > > have use resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried to use 
> > > > qvm-grow-root  it staid to start template to complete process but it 
> > > > also didn't change.
> > > > 
> > > >in vm settings it shows the size I specified,  but when running 
> > > > nautlius and looking at the space or doing df -h it is still only 4.3gb 
> > > > out of 10.5 available.
> > > >   I've never downloaded a file this large in qubes so never ran into 
> > > > this problem. Only thing I ever had to increase was private storage.  I 
> > > > have this issue with all templates.
> > > >  
> > > > Qubes 3.2 iso must be under the limit so I was able to download that 
> > > > iso but can't donload 4.0 it is too large and fails to download.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Is there any detailed step by step instructions because I'm obviously 
> > > > doing something wrong?
> > > > 
> > > > Ty for the help.
> > > > 
> > > > Rich.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Rich,  can you confirm you're using 3.2?
> > > 
> > > How are you downloading the iso?
> > > Are you doing this as root or user?
> > > Where are you trying to download it to?
> > > 
> > > As you have enough space in /home my guess is that you are using /tmp
> > > or /dev/shm 
> > > If you run df in the qube you're using WHILE the download is running,
> > > you should see the free space moving down as the download progresses.
> > > Can you check this and report back?
> > 
> > Yes i'm definitely using 3.2.  
> > 
> >   it starts off as 4.3 or 4.7 available I believe available out of 10.5gb.  
> > no matter what I set private storage to. its the system storage.I 
> > remember marek showing how to increase the temp file storage size when 
> > having a diff issue a few qubes versions ago,  when I use to have the issue 
> > of playing long video streams cutting off using fedora.  I forget how maybe 
> > similar issue here? But it doesn't matter which appvm or template I use.
> >  
> > 
> > and yes i can see the available space slowly doing down as downloading. 
> > using df-h or just watching in file manager.
> > 
> > I'm trying to download the iso from any vm,  using any template.  loading 
> > firefox or google chrome and clicking on the iso.  they all have the same 
> > problem.   I'd really have ot hate to use some other operating system just 
> > to download 4.0,  almost seems like a joke on qubes users, that the extra  
> > 100mb's puts me over the top and it fails to download lol.
> > 
> > I mean I do have media qubes with 100s of gbs of data in there.  But they 
> > were copied to vms from usb devices and I did have to increase private 
> > storage size.  this seems to be a diff issue.
> 
> You must be concise in describing what you're trying to do. Are you refuting 
> the normal method to increase the AppVM's size, in favor for some old method 
> from several Qubes versions back? 
> 
> I apologize for the rude question, but at this point it needs to be asked. Is 
> this an attempt to try preserve old habits instead of trying to build new 
> habits? Are you getting stuck in old ways of doing things, which may no 
> longer be supported/working?

It has nothing to do with private storage. What os did you use to download your 
qubes 4.0 image?  

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 9:23:38 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 08:14:33PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system 
> > > > storage size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I might 
> > > > have use resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried to use 
> > > > qvm-grow-root  it staid to start template to complete process but it 
> > > > also didn't change.
> > > > 
> > > >in vm settings it shows the size I specified,  but when running 
> > > > nautlius and looking at the space or doing df -h it is still only 4.3gb 
> > > > out of 10.5 available.
> > > >   I've never downloaded a file this large in qubes so never ran into 
> > > > this problem. Only thing I ever had to increase was private storage.  I 
> > > > have this issue with all templates.
> > > >  
> > > > Qubes 3.2 iso must be under the limit so I was able to download that 
> > > > iso but can't donload 4.0 it is too large and fails to download.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Is there any detailed step by step instructions because I'm obviously 
> > > > doing something wrong?
> > > > 
> > > > Ty for the help.
> > > > 
> > > > Rich.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Rich,  can you confirm you're using 3.2?
> > > 
> > > How are you downloading the iso?
> > > Are you doing this as root or user?
> > > Where are you trying to download it to?
> > > 
> > > As you have enough space in /home my guess is that you are using /tmp
> > > or /dev/shm 
> > > If you run df in the qube you're using WHILE the download is running,
> > > you should see the free space moving down as the download progresses.
> > > Can you check this and report back?
> > 
> > Yes i'm definitely using 3.2.  
> > 
> >   it starts off as 4.3 or 4.7 available I believe available out of 10.5gb.  
> > no matter what I set private storage to. its the system storage.I 
> > remember marek showing how to increase the temp file storage size when 
> > having a diff issue a few qubes versions ago,  when I use to have the issue 
> > of playing long video streams cutting off using fedora.  I forget how maybe 
> > similar issue here? But it doesn't matter which appvm or template I use.
> >  
> > 
> > and yes i can see the available space slowly doing down as downloading. 
> > using df-h or just watching in file manager.
> > 
> > I'm trying to download the iso from any vm,  using any template.  loading 
> > firefox or google chrome and clicking on the iso.  they all have the same 
> > problem.   I'd really have ot hate to use some other operating system just 
> > to download 4.0,  almost seems like a joke on qubes users, that the extra  
> > 100mb's puts me over the top and it fails to download lol.
> > 
> > I mean I do have media qubes with 100s of gbs of data in there.  But they 
> > were copied to vms from usb devices and I did have to increase private 
> > storage size.  this seems to be a diff issue.
> > 
> 
> I'm a little confused by what you are saying - what does "its the system
> storage" mean?
> Can you post the output from 'df -h ', and also what value you have set the
> private storage to .
> 
> I recommend that you use a single qube for this, rather thsan trying
> many templates and many qubes. It will really help with troubleshooting
> your problem.
> So please say also what template you are using and whether you are using
> testing repos.

when you download a file from the internet using a browser it uses temp 
storage.  Can you tell me how to increase it please!?!?!   I can't fine Mareks 
old post telling me how to do it from the commandline in the past.   The bug I 
used to have when playing long streams was fixed.   But Now apparently a 
similar problem is back when Trying to download this 4.0 iso.

I could never stand your posts on this "forum",  and if you are the main dev on 
this project now it might be time to abandon Qubes-os.

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.

2018-03-21 Thread Yuraeitha

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 3:14:33 AM UTC, cooloutac wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 11:10:52 AM UTC-4, Unman wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:00:05PM -0700, cooloutac wrote:
> > > Can't download qubes 4.0 not enough space.  tried to raise system storage 
> > > size on template through qubes manager.  messag said I might have use 
> > > resize2f.   tried that didn't do antyhing.   Tried to use qvm-grow-root  
> > > it staid to start template to complete process but it also didn't change.
> > > 
> > >in vm settings it shows the size I specified,  but when running 
> > > nautlius and looking at the space or doing df -h it is still only 4.3gb 
> > > out of 10.5 available.
> > >   I've never downloaded a file this large in qubes so never ran into this 
> > > problem. Only thing I ever had to increase was private storage.  I have 
> > > this issue with all templates.
> > >  
> > > Qubes 3.2 iso must be under the limit so I was able to download that iso 
> > > but can't donload 4.0 it is too large and fails to download.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Is there any detailed step by step instructions because I'm obviously 
> > > doing something wrong?
> > > 
> > > Ty for the help.
> > > 
> > > Rich.
> > > 
> > 
> > Rich,  can you confirm you're using 3.2?
> > 
> > How are you downloading the iso?
> > Are you doing this as root or user?
> > Where are you trying to download it to?
> > 
> > As you have enough space in /home my guess is that you are using /tmp
> > or /dev/shm 
> > If you run df in the qube you're using WHILE the download is running,
> > you should see the free space moving down as the download progresses.
> > Can you check this and report back?
> 
> Yes i'm definitely using 3.2.  
> 
>   it starts off as 4.3 or 4.7 available I believe available out of 10.5gb.  
> no matter what I set private storage to. its the system storage.I 
> remember marek showing how to increase the temp file storage size when having 
> a diff issue a few qubes versions ago,  when I use to have the issue of 
> playing long video streams cutting off using fedora.  I forget how maybe 
> similar issue here? But it doesn't matter which appvm or template I use. 
> 
> and yes i can see the available space slowly doing down as downloading. using 
> df-h or just watching in file manager.
> 
> I'm trying to download the iso from any vm,  using any template.  loading 
> firefox or google chrome and clicking on the iso.  they all have the same 
> problem.   I'd really have ot hate to use some other operating system just to 
> download 4.0,  almost seems like a joke on qubes users, that the extra  
> 100mb's puts me over the top and it fails to download lol.
> 
> I mean I do have media qubes with 100s of gbs of data in there.  But they 
> were copied to vms from usb devices and I did have to increase private 
> storage size.  this seems to be a diff issue.

You must be concise in describing what you're trying to do. Are you refuting 
the normal method to increase the AppVM's size, in favor for some old method 
from several Qubes versions back? 

I apologize for the rude question, but at this point it needs to be asked. Is 
this an attempt to try preserve old habits instead of trying to build new 
habits? Are you getting stuck in old ways of doing things, which may no longer 
be supported/working?

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Re: [qubes-users] can't download qubes 4.0 how to raise 4.3gb download limit.