Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-22 Thread Sarah Hardy
Happy to report that running the Software Update (after Repair Disk Permissions), installing XQuartz, and reinstalling R and Rcmdr did the trick for student with the 10.6.8. Two other students with 10.6.8 Macs reported success running the Software Update and reinstalling R and Rcmdr ( I do not

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On 20/09/2013 01:52, John Fox wrote: Dear Sarah, -Original Message- From: Sarah Hardy [mailto:sarah.ha...@maine.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:08 PM To: John Fox Cc: Simon Urbanek; David Winsemius; r-sig-mac Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread peter dalgaard
On Sep 20, 2013, at 08:49 , Prof Brian Ripley wrote: I am not so sure about that. It will do no harm running CRAN binary R. But it does mean that there are multiple versions of X11 things about and that will cause problems for other things (including possibly installing packages from

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread Rainer M Krug
peter dalgaard pda...@gmail.com writes: On Sep 20, 2013, at 08:49 , Prof Brian Ripley wrote: I am not so sure about that. It will do no harm running CRAN binary R. But it does mean that there are multiple versions of X11 things about and that will cause problems for other things

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread Berend Hasselman
On 20-09-2013, at 11:29, peter dalgaard pda...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 20, 2013, at 08:49 , Prof Brian Ripley wrote: I am not so sure about that. It will do no harm running CRAN binary R. But it does mean that there are multiple versions of X11 things about and that will cause

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread John Fox
Dear Brian, On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 07:49:05 +0100 Prof Brian Ripley rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk wrote: On 20/09/2013 01:52, John Fox wrote: Dear Sarah, -Original Message- From: Sarah Hardy [mailto:sarah.ha...@maine.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:08 PM To: John Fox Cc:

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread Prof Brian Ripley
On 20/09/2013 12:54, John Fox wrote: Dear Brian, On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 07:49:05 +0100 Prof Brian Ripley rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk wrote: On 20/09/2013 01:52, John Fox wrote: Dear Sarah, -Original Message- From: Sarah Hardy [mailto:sarah.ha...@maine.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 19,

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread Flip Phillips
Ouch. I keep forgetting how sophisticated the users of Windows are. On Sep 20, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Prof Brian Ripley rip...@stats.ox.ac.ukmailto:rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk wrote: Almost all of the problems people have with the Rcmdr package are on the Mac OS X platform, and since most of these

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread John Fox
Dear flip, -Original Message- From: Flip Phillips [mailto:f...@skidmore.edu] Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 8:41 AM To: r-sig-mac@r-project.org; rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk; j...@mcmaster.ca Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8 Ouch.

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread John Fox
Dear Brian, I've modified the Mac installation instructions again to add back the check for a prior installation of X-Windows. The instructions are at http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/installation-notes.html. Thanks for your help, John -Original Message- From: Prof

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-20 Thread Berend Hasselman
On 20-09-2013, at 15:08, John Fox j...@mcmaster.ca wrote: Dear Brian, I've modified the Mac installation instructions again to add back the check for a prior installation of X-Windows. The instructions are at http://socserv.socsci.mcmaster.ca/jfox/Misc/Rcmdr/installation-notes.html. A

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread David Winsemius
On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:47 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Sarah, It seems likely from the message that you reported that the problem isn't directly related to the Rcmdr package, but rather to the tcltk package on which the Rcmdr depends. Your student (and the other students who are

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread Simon Urbanek
Sarah, note that 10.7.2 is way old - there have been many patch releases since then so first thing I'd suggest is to run Software Update. XQuartz doesn't remove system X11 if installed, so it's not necessarily relevant (it depends on the local setup) - OS updates may be more important here.

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread Simon Urbanek
On Sep 19, 2013, at 4:04 AM, David Winsemius wrote: On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:47 PM, John Fox wrote: Dear Sarah, It seems likely from the message that you reported that the problem isn't directly related to the Rcmdr package, but rather to the tcltk package on which the Rcmdr depends.

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread Simon Urbanek
On Sep 19, 2013, at 9:05 AM, John Fox wrote: Dear David, On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 01:04:18 -0700 David Winsemius dwinsem...@comcast.net wrote: On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:47 PM, John Fox wrote: . . . It also seems apparent from the error message that there's a mismatch between the version

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread John Fox
Dear Simon, Thank you very much for these clarifications (and also for responding to David and Sarah's posts in this thread). I think that I understand what's going on now, and will add a note to the Rcmdr installation instructions to run Software Update prior to installing R, the Rcmdr, and (if

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread John Fox
Dear Simon, OK -- thanks for the further clarification. If you can bear with me a bit longer, I've drafted an update to the Rcmdr installation notes, the relevant part of which now reads as follows -- [link] represents a hyperlink: -- snip --- . . . These instructions

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread Sarah Hardy
Thank you John, David and Simon for your helpful posts. John - I think your instructions were revised after I sent my coursepacks to the printers. I base my instructions on yours, but take out the parts about inserting the Mac OS X install disc because the probability my students (75 mostly

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread John Fox
Dear Simon, That's a good suggestion. In fact, I don't see a real function for the technical details, so I've just eliminated them. I also think that adding the step to run Software Update is harmless and a good idea, so I've added that. The full set of instructions (including the parts that I

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread Simon Urbanek
John, On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:29 AM, John Fox wrote: Dear Simon, Thank you very much for these clarifications (and also for responding to David and Sarah's posts in this thread). I think that I understand what's going on now, and will add a note to the Rcmdr installation instructions to

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread Sarah Hardy
Running the Software Update and reinstalling R and Rcmdr worked for the student with the 10.7.2. We did not reinstall XQuartz. Now I will see if it works for the others. BTW - I have identified at least one student with a 10.6.8 who had no problems installing R and Rcmdr without installing XQuartz

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-19 Thread John Fox
Dear Sarah, -Original Message- From: Sarah Hardy [mailto:sarah.ha...@maine.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 8:08 PM To: John Fox Cc: Simon Urbanek; David Winsemius; r-sig-mac Subject: Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8 Running the

Re: [R-SIG-Mac] Problems loading Rcmdr on a Mac 10.7.2 and a Mac 10.6.8

2013-09-18 Thread John Fox
Dear Sarah, It seems likely from the message that you reported that the problem isn't directly related to the Rcmdr package, but rather to the tcltk package on which the Rcmdr depends. Your student (and the other students who are experiencing problems) can verify this by trying to load the