Stick it out, Tom. This group is a wealth of knowledge, freely shared by a
wide range of riders and riding styles. And it's the nicest group of ladies
and gentlemen I've ever encountered anywhere on the internet. I understand
your frustration, but trust me; it's worth it. Good luck.
On
Terrific write-up, Anne. I really enjoyed reading your perspective on this
adventure. I've really got to do some riding in that part of the world
sometime.
Cheers,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)
On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 6:26:32 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
Every time I read about one
Oh - how he shaved the tread. I'm sorry. He said he inflated the tire and
pressed hard with side cutters. Then the road does most of the work of
smoothing it down as you ride.
Philip
www.biketinker.com
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:36:01 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
Lightness! The
It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the
list are moderated 'til the admins have determined you're a real live
Riv-person. Welcome!
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here. While there has
This reminds me of when I made snow tires with machine screws through the
knobs on my old mtb tires. Wouldn't it be really great if folks just
demanded large supple smooth road tires so we don't have to go to these
extremes? Oh wait - the Compass 26 2.0s are exactly that. I love mine,
BTW -
Fantastic! What a ride and great photos, too. Many congratulations on
reaching your goal. Now, what's this training thing I hear tell of?
That's where the whole randonneuring thing breaks down for me... :)
Seriously, though, well done.
Cheers,
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA (Fremont)
On Sunday,
I was about to say... If there aren't any pictures
Best regards. Keep that rubber side down.
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:35:02 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
Proof that she's here in my possession. I still can't believe I own one of
these bikes after wanting one for so long.
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Seattle, WA
Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:15 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!. Posts to the
L, L, Love that! Best feature on the betty! The heart is part of what
sold me on the Hunqa!
Congrats, Cecily! You will love her! I just stared at one longingly today
on a visit to Free Range in Seattle.
Brian
Seattle, WA
Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Cecily
I can ride a 64, and I've been super happy with my 60cm
Quickbeamhttp://www.biketinker.com/2012/projects/quickbeam-disenrandonneurized/for
9 years.
So you might consider Colin's 60cm
Quickbeamhttps://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/_FkZ-rfAlIMposted
to the list. Only $1000,
I loaded up my Sam and rode it on the Courage Classic again.
Pictures to prove it! -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neutralbuoyancy/sets/72157634961282335/
This year I even took my saddle bags and my digital SLR camera. This
brought the weight up to 47 pounds with empty water bottles. And
I went through kinda the same thing when my Hunqapillar frame arrived, but
the sheer beauty of the thing made me forget all about it. Happy new bike
day! Post pics when you've got her all built up! Good luck and congrats!
Shawn M.
Seattle, WA
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7,
Started with Moustaches. (good - too much reach)
Went to Porteurs. (better - wrapped with the wrong tape color, and got
antsy...)
Next up, Noodles. (best - but felt just like my Homer)
Now using Albas (tied for great with Noodles, but I am still a bit miffed
that they swoop up - bending my hands
Hi Tom,
Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so you're
welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous and
sauve. Here is the camp info:
CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
SITE:SM117
Onya!
Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia
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Made and confirmed my Amtrak ticket arriving in Irvine 10:53 am.
Best,
Hugh
Sunland, Ca
On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tom,
Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
the camp site: I think we'll be okay with
Pretty sure I used Shoe Goo. Waited overnight.
Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia
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+1 on what Brian said. Glad to have you part of the group.
~Hugh
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:19:22 PM UTC-7, stonehog wrote:
Tom - it's worth some frustration to stick this group out. Best listserv
I've been a part of. Ever.
Brian
Seattle, WA
Brian Hanson
Seattle, WA
On Thu,
Not to over simplify, but do you make sure you push the stem in far enough
to get below the bead?
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:
I can't remember this being an issue in my more distant memory, but
recently, I've had a couple of tires form a bit of a hump
I have bullmoose on my 58 Huqa but this converstion really wants to make me try
Albas. I love the Bullmoose looks and the riding position but when riding
trails and single track I get terrible numbness in my hands. That's something
I've never been able to avoid on any mountain/trail bike. I
It isn't a frame photo, but here's the art that was on my bike
box: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cecily/9472311564/
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:29:43 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:
Well, the Betty Foy frame arrived today, and I'm absolutely thrilled about
completing the build. I'm looking
I think the art on my box is identical. I will take a photo tonight. Someone
should start a photo collection of the box art.
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I love my Albas on my Hillborne however I would be inclined to put something a
bit tougher looking on a hunqapillar. With that in mind I would go bosco
bullmoose if it were me. All of the comfort with a bit of a tougher look.
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I used Gorilla glue. It worked great, but it is pretty much permanent.
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:34:11 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
Hi Y'all,
Getting ready to put cork grips on my Albas and was wondering what
everyone uses and how long you have to wait after applying to ride on them.
Somebody has:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/rbwboxart/pool/with/7734585144/#photo_7734585144
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To:
Albatross bars are excellent on my Hunqapillar and I ride a lot of root,
rocky, and steep single track in the Colorado Rockies. You can look through
my whole photo stream, but here are two pics:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9360335191/ (there are a set of
pics there showing the
Lovely! Thanks for posting.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:07:31 PM UTC-6, futch wrote:
http://veloaficionado.com/australias-bicycle-riding-shearers-of-the-early-twentieth-century/
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Bullmoose Bosco rules on a bike like the Hunqa.
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Hanson
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 2:26 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch
Subject: Re: [RBW] Trying to decide on handle bars for my Hunqapillar
Started
Welcome, Tom!
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:48:47 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote:
Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here. While there has been
mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go
it). I am done.
Best regards to all of
Looks like a great ride, Brian! Well done.
Funny you mention passing some carbon folks. I passed a guy climbing a
section of single track. I was fully loaded and he was day riding. He
looked a bit demoralized. But he passed me again at the top as I enjoyed a
last pipe before heading out. It's
Veloria had a mixte with inverted Albas, and I've seen others with the same
setup. It gives the bike a somewhat agressive retro look with the same
potential hand positions.
http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/04/upside-down.html
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:58:56 PM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:
Here's a Hillborne that looks pretty sweet:
http://endlessvelolove.blogspot.com/2012/01/albatross-handlebar.html
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:58:56 PM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:
I'm trying decide on *Albatross - or other -* bar for my Hunqapillar
I currently have Sam Hillborne with moustache
25mm... I didn't know they made tires that narrow! :-)
On 8/8/13, Kieran J kjo...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, I guess thats what happened, even though I checked the bead before
inflating. It seemed to just push itself out.
Anyways, It was a 25 mm tire in both cases. I'm guessing the jack browns
I am not a fan of them upside down. If that is what you are after the
moustache bars are much nicer IMO.
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2- Riv Wooly Warm t-shirts made in New Zealand. Sizes S and M. Lightly used
w. rear single pocket center, blue color similar to the Musa t's currently
being sold on Riv site. The small has a small hole back of shirt midway
center. Damn moths. Easy fix. Medium tag has faded. Both purchased at
Couldn't you also put the thumb shifters on the top bar, like on a mountain
bike? Seems easier than a stem shifter. I like the retroshift idea
myself. I may have to give those a try!
Chris
On Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:35:10 PM UTC-7, Michael wrote:
Is there one in existence?
I love my
If you almost never use the drops on a drop bar bike then right off the bat
you should raise the bars an inch or more, until the drops actually are in
a usable position. I'm gonna make that recommendation even for someone with
no back pain. Seems silly to waste a hand position.
On Wednesday,
Bullmoose Bosco. They make a much greater range of positions possible than
any other, including drops. Albatross don't provide as effective aero
positions as the Bosco can, and the width on the Bosco's is just incredibly
comfortable.
You mean this one? :-) http://flickr.com/photos/99743766@N00/9288119129
On Aug 8, 2013 11:21 PM, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote:
L, L, Love that! Best feature on the betty! The heart is part of what
sold me on the Hunqa!
Congrats, Cecily! You will love her! I just stared at one
Agreed. I don't post much here, but I read the list every morning with a
cup of coffee before I start work. This listserv is definetly worth hanging
around in. The information and stories are both valuable and entertaining.
It's a great group. Stay in the group, Tom. You won't regret it, either
I started with Bullmoose bars on my Hunqapillar. Switched to Albas for a
bit but found them to be too upright for my riding style. Too much weight
was on the seat and there wasn't enough stretch. I found that most of my
riding was on the curve of the Albas and not too comfortable. Then I lopped
Another hit and run on a poor innocent critter... I have a provocative
question for you, Tony. Was Rocky proceeding 'in the lane' at a reasonable
speed when you rolled over him? DID you perhaps have just a little bit of
rage in your heart??? It's bad enough there's no more funding for
*FYI, this traffic symbol is known as a Squarrow...*
On Friday, August 9, 2013 11:21:36 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
Another hit and run on a poor innocent critter... I have a provocative
question for you, Tony. Was Rocky proceeding 'in the lane' at a reasonable
speed when you rolled
And, I believe this was bike was talked about before on the blog -- if you
know anyone in Socal -- please forward. . . . I am heartbroken -- I bought
the frame from Lovely Bicycle (a popular blog) -- and Bryan Hollingsworth
(the framebuilder) at Royal H says he had another bike stolen last
I predict that Grant will - within one week - introduce a new color for
special order: Australian Rust Brown
On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:56:55 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Lovely! Thanks for posting.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:07:31 PM UTC-6, futch wrote:
Hey there Tom -
I replied to your email last night. You were moderated. That was changed.
Your posts should now go through.
If you do plan on unsubscribing, send an email to
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with the subscription.
Sorry for the
there is already a nice powdercoat in that color. Bruce Gordon uses it.
On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:30:19 AM UTC-7, Tonester wrote:
I predict that Grant will - within one week - introduce a new color for
special order: Australian Rust Brown
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Looks like it is raining messages, now. Appreciate the encouragement from
all of you. I think it will be well worth it to stay on. What a great
group.
Thanks
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here. While there has
A, shucks. [Kicks dirt with barefoot] You're only saying that cause you
don't know us yet. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, August 9, 2013 10:19:24 AM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote:
Looks like it is raining messages, now. Appreciate the encouragement from
all of you. I think it will
Love it! Truly Beausage...really like how they attached the burlap rolls to
the forks who needs racks!
~Hugh
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 1:07:31 PM UTC-7, futch wrote:
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double-check with riv but many schwalbes come in undersize relative to the
label, my 35's actually measure 33, i think the 40/42 supremes come in
around 37. if you have the space (and on my hillborne with 48m steel
fenders i can handle a 37) then i suggest as much tire as possible.
On
Wow great deal for someone in SF!
On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 10:52:43 PM UTC-4, Colin Warner wrote:
FS: 60cm Quickbeam - complete bike. 2nd Edition Orange. $1000.
Before I put this on Ebay, I thought I would give the group a chance. This
bike was used for rides around Walnut Creek with
So does Mike Flanigan at A.N.T. - here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8087136241/in/set-72157630285823166/
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[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Schiller
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 12:00 PM
To:
The reasons to pick the 40s are:
more comfy, more durable, more traction, more safety, no slower
The reasons to pick the 35s are:
you are a gram-counter and want the lighter ones or you are forced to 35s
because the 40s won't fit
On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 12:29:15 PM UTC-7, Mark
*OK we convinced him... let the hazing rituals continue... *
On Friday, August 9, 2013 12:19:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:
Looks like it is raining messages, now. Appreciate the encouragement from
all of you. I think it will be well worth it to stay on. What a great
group.
Thanks
On
I will snag the small shirt if available . Thanks , evan
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It looks like you're in like Flynn (whatever that means)!.
I just heard about the source of that idiom on a replay of Wait, Wait
Don't Tell Me on NPR. It's most commonly considered a reference to Errol
Flynn, who had a notoriously easy time with the ladies. When you
effortlessly accomplish
Hi Tony,
Welcome to the family, i'm also in the DC area (Falls Church here), so
contact me off-line if you need any help building it up or raiding my parts
bin! BTW which co-op do you go to?
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How disappointing. I hope your bike is recovered and returned to you!
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 4:03:58 PM UTC-7, Pammie wrote:
Hi all,
I love reading this forum and have a similar type of hand built bike - a
Royal H Mixte with custom Peter White Son Dynamo wheelset. . . . It was
stolen
Oh, thanks, Tonester. Now I've got water all over my keyboard!
On Friday, August 9, 2013 9:30:19 AM UTC-6, Tonester wrote:
I predict that Grant will - within one week - introduce a new color for
special order: Australian Rust Brown
On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:56:55 AM UTC-7, Deacon
Tony
Build feedback. If you haven't tried the MKS Sneakers, give them a try.
Maybe the sneakers will go on the Trek, freeing up the Grip Kings for the
Atlantis, but every stable should have one set of sneakers. If you are
dead-set on paying the money for Grip Kings, then treat your self to
Anne, I just love it when you lay down a long delightfully written post
like that! Just love it.
I also am so inspired at your can-do attitude. I know from the S24O that
the Riv crew did last March that you are no slouch. There, I too found
myself having the last biker thoughts and to know
Hey Cecily, This is the place to ask questions; I know, cause I've asked a
bunch of questions of this list and they are always met with helpful
responses. One of my mottoes is, If it were easy, it wouldn't be hard!
Things are easy if you know the answers/understand/the problem's already
I don't see a lick a paint on those bikes.
I guess they are just bare steel or iron.
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Wait,...I think there is hope for that guy who had the Can my saddle be
saved thread on here a couple weeks ago.
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One of my mottoes is, If it's worth doing, it's worth doing badly.
People sometimes get afraid of doing something because they won't do
it well, but that is letting one's perfectionism get in the way of
living one's life. Just because you can't ride like insert fast bike
rider's name here or paint
Let me make it perfectly clear that on the ride no rider uttered one
word of deprecation that I was the slowest (at least in my presence).
Not one syllable.
I called the initial post La Ruta Loquitica because there was much
talk during the ride about whether some of the riders ought to do the
Bobby - that 'Squarrow' is brilliant!!!
There were a pair of them, I'm pretty sure they were under the influence of
some halucinogenic acorns... or perhaps some toxic waste they just
jumped onto the path giving me no time or place to swerve!
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I spent my youth climbing the White mountains in summer, and skiing them
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You have have been a strong youth!
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Two concerns: Tire height and tire width.
*Tire Width:*
RBW says that the P45 Longboard fits tires up to 45m wide.
*Tire Height:*
You have to think about the *height* of the tire and being able to have
enough clearance to sandwich the fender and brake arms between the top of
the tire and
I used the Permatex Form-a-gasket 1B stuff because it was right there in
the auto store.
I was thinking about hairspray though, since others have liked it and it
meant not having to buy anything.
Wow! You sure can buy a lot of stuff for bikes.
Thanks for the tip about being careful when
I was on the way back home and passed my friend's neighborhood where the
ruins are so I figured I would do a fly by.
When you look outside the front door of the house, the ruins are right
across the street.
Pretty neat view to have.
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Sounds dreamy I never get out of the neighborhood with the bike. Maybe in
about 10 years...
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..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific
Surf liner?
When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike. There's no charge
but it reserves space on the train for your wheels. Amtrak's policy on the
Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new
Yes
My A Homer Hilsen has beautifully squeezed chainstays to clear fat tires,
and it features very swank double-tapered seatstays.
On Tuesday, August 6, 2013 2:27:37 PM UTC-7, mho wrote:
Years ago the Ram was touted as having beautifully squeezed chainstays (to
clear fatter tires and the
Thanks Doug, I did make the bicycle reservation. I should have been more
specific with my question. I was concerned with the Pacific Surf Liner and
bicycle transport boxed or not. Thankfully you have covered it. Thanks,
-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
..can you
I stand/climb on my Albas with an 8 cm stem.
Best standing riding/climbing I have ever had. Better than drops.
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What saddles do you all use on your upright bikes with Albas?
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Fascinating! The photo of the guy moving camp certainly gives modern
bike packing a run for the money. And the stories.. how about the guy
who killed a 5 and a half foot snake that had just slithered across his
face while he slept!
I also notice, the concept of stand-over clearance
Hi, if you'll consider shipping, I'd love to buy the frame and maybe the
LX/Dyad front wheel. Lemme know or email me - sorry I couldn't figure out
how to email you directly. Thanks, Charles in Columbia MO
On Thursday, August 8, 2013 2:37:47 PM UTC-5, gordo wrote:
Hi all,
Grad school is
the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have existed back then.
Which photo gives you that idea? They all look in the ball park, given
baggy pants and camera angles.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:09:45 PM UTC-6, Matt Beebe wrote:
Fascinating! The photo of the
B-68
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:06:23 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
What saddles do you all use on your upright bikes with Albas?
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B-17 (not just with Albas - pretty much with everything).
Bob
On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
B-68
With abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:06:23 PM UTC-6, Michael wrote:
What saddles do you all use on your upright bikes with Albas?
I just mean compared to some modern bikepacking setups, e.g.:
http://bikeshopgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bikepacking1.jpeg
Matt
On Friday, August 9, 2013 7:17:54 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
the concept of stand-over clearance seems to not have existed back
then.
Which photo
Still looking!
On Monday, June 24, 2013 10:57:18 PM UTC-4, Johnny Alien wrote:
I am looking for a set of Soba Handlebars. I am not sure what actual
sizes they came in but I am looking for 42 or 44. Anyone?
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Thanks for sharing the article. For me, a great read.
Smooth tracks for you.
Chris
Redding, Can.
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Manuel,
Thanks for sharing the article. For me, a great read.
Smooth tracks for you.
Chris
Redding, Can.
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Loops. Thanks to the OP. Tablets and I do not get along. Over and out.
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Ah. Gotcha. I was going by Riv. standards.
WIth abandon,
Patrick
On Friday, August 9, 2013 5:30:22 PM UTC-6, Matt Beebe wrote:
I just mean compared to some modern bikepacking setups, e.g.:
http://bikeshopgirl.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bikepacking1.jpeg
Matt
On Friday, August
if the Hetres are available i would like buy them. please respond to my
personal email mikel66...@juno.com
mike goldman
warwick,r.i.
On Wednesday, August 7, 2013 3:02:26 AM UTC-4, Eric Stocker wrote:
Hey everyone,
I'm looking for a set of Nitto Albastache bars and a set of Grand Bois
Yeah I just tell people I cut the weight here (pointing to myself).
On Friday, August 9, 2013 6:05:02 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Looks like a great ride, Brian! Well done.
Funny you mention passing some carbon folks. I passed a guy climbing a
section of single track. I was fully loaded
Re: passing a carbon - you've all no doubt seen this?
http://vimeo.com/71218407#
On Friday, August 9, 2013 6:05:02 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Looks like a great ride, Brian! Well done.
Funny you mention passing some carbon folks. I passed a guy climbing a
section of single track. I
Oops. Power Grip pedal straps: $20 includes shipping to lower 48 states.
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Sit bone pain advice needed:
Gotta Brooks Flyer that I love on my Sam and it is breaking in on the right
side, but no detent on the left side yet.
My left sit bone hurt bad during and after my last training ride last
weekend and for a couplea days after. This weekend I am on schedule for a
Hello Hugh and So Cal Rivers,
I found this on the Pacific Surfliner schedule PDF I downloaded...
Bicycles: Most Pacific Surfliner trains have racks for six or seven
bicycles located in the “cab car”. Starting June 1, 2013 these slots will
be available by reservation only. Passengers must
Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!
So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the afternoon
before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that arrives at
1100 am. Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales
My Rambouillet (only road bike) has now been gone for repair going on 8
weeks and I was told a couple of weeks ago that the bike had been shipped
from the frame repair shop to the painter. When I found out that the bike
had been shipped to the painter I asked if it would be possible to pick it
Thank you for that, Pudge. I am going to try to sign up and get my foot in
the door at the Rivendell Box Art group. I hope Cecily does so as well, as
hers is very cool.
I had my Sam redirected to the UPS store and got some raised eyebrows over
that artwork in the store. The artwork was a
Maybe a free repair on a 10 year old bike isn't top priority, but be that
as it may If I was dealing with a customer I would let them know the deal
from the get go. It also would have been helpful if one person deals with
repairs and whatnot from point if contact to finished product. Just not
sure
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