If you watch that video from the youtube link at the end, he explains why
the Racer is stiffer than more-common long-reach brakes.
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:04:14 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
> That's interesting. The website definitely says that the racer was
> originally designed to
That's interesting. The website definitely says that the racer was
originally designed to work with dedicated posts, but Paul has previously
acknowledged that it was created per a request from Grant, with the rirst
useage being the Saluki. That bike never came with direct- mount
center-pull
@Steven -
Understood.
Kim Hetzel.
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:25:37 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
> Kim, I may put a chainguard on, but Riv’s are for 110 bcd, and this crank
> has a 94 bcd. I didn’t have time before I left to order one and the
> chainrings I had on hand were not the
Kim, I may put a chainguard on, but Riv’s are for 110 bcd, and this crank
has a 94 bcd. I didn’t have time before I left to order one and the
chainrings I had on hand were not the right size.
Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire
On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 3:17 AM Kim H. wrote:
> @Steven -
>
@Steven -
As a suggestion to elevate your ridiculous appearance of your crank set by
purchasing a chain guard. This might help you:
https://www.rivbike.com/products/silver-chainring-guard?_pos=1&_sid=2b21174cc&_ss=r
Kim Hetzel.
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:00:57 AM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler
"The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well. I have the braze-on
version, on a Tony Pereira. "
Yes, the *braze-on version* is a good brake - I had them on my Rambler and
was mostly satisfied with their stopping power. I was not happy that the
absolute widest tire that would clear the
For anyone interested, SOMA has a New Albion XDT(Sugino clone) triple
crankset (silver, 170 or 175mm) on 65% off sale through midnight tonight,
January 9. Only $49.00 using code *newyear6524 *.
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:25:46 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
> A 24/34 is the same as a
I don't believe anyone has mentioned the significant downside to a triple
drivetrain: setting up a triple front derailleur. Oh wait, I forgot I'm in
crusty friction shifting land. Setting it up for indexed shifting is an
absolute nightmare. Doubles are bad enough.
Will
On Tuesday, January
A 24/34 is the same as a 36/51 in gear inches. So there's no advantage to a
triple if you're looking for a low gear.
I moved to a 1x for all my bikes because it turned out that dropped shifts
into the granny were causing me to stand up on many climbs when I should
have shifted. Since there's
If I had a track bike and a track to ride I'd ring a fixed gear or
singlespeed if I wanted to be blasphemous about it. Otherwise 2x and 3x. I
always liked to joke that those who choose a 1x always believe they're
"right" , all-the-time ! Ahahahahaha. C'mon, you gotta laugh at the
hilarity of
I love a triple paired with an 8 speed or less corncob cassette matched to
downtube shifters. That's an amazing roadie configuration right there. Not
to mention bomb proof. But I think what rides equally as nice is 11 speed
2x setups with a wide range cassette in the rear. The choice for me
Seems like a lot of grief.
Fair winds,
Captain Conway Bennett
239.877.4119
On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 5:36 PM DavidP wrote:
> I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; I end
> up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) and for
> these bikes I like
I have a couple of bikes with 46/30 front rings and 11-34 cassettes; I end
up mainly using them like a double 1x (no, I don't use the 46x11) and for
these bikes I like it fine.
In line with Bill's point, pairing a smaller front step with a wider range
cassette (but not too crazy) can work
Steven, thanks for the point about how useful triples are for riding with
big loads, whether for touring, day tripping, shopping, whatever. I
frequently haul loads up hills on my already-heavy Rivs, so a wide gear
range with 24-34-44 or a 26-36-46 triple and a 34- or 36-tooth large rear
SOLD
On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 7:49:52 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
> Sale pending.
>
> On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 6:48:11 PM UTC-8 J Imler wrote:
>
>> for sale is my one owner Appaloosa. This style/color -
>> [image: Screenshot 2024-01-06 at 6.21.24 PM.png]
>> Riv video link
John emphatically asked (with seven question marks):
"Question to Bill: Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the
chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ???"
That depends on the front derailleur and the chain stay.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday,
I had that same thought, Bill. The big ring on my triples are always the
least used.
"Unfortunately," my brank is a 110bcd with the Bikingreen 46/30 chainring
set... machined from one piece of aluminum.
But if a WI VBC crank pops up used, I'll make a dash for it!
--Ben
On Tuesday, January 9,
One point that I think is being missed, is for loaded touring bikes triples
make more sense. Though I am not camping I still am carrying around 40 lbs
on a 32 lb bike, low gears are especially useful on long and/or steep
hills. When home in central New Hampshire many of my favorite roads are
I'm planning on going from 3x to 1x on my all-around Tosco'd LHT. Maybe
even do that today, and replace the big ring with the Rivendell chainring
guard.
I haven't used the 48 in a long, long time. As for the 26 inner: there was
a t-shirt from the 80s from a bike shop in Ketchum that read, "if
I find a 46-36-26 triple with a 9 speed 12-36 cassette on 650Bx38 wheels
gives me a 100 to 19 gi range and nice steps in my cruising range (50 to 75
gi) with a relatively straight chain line. The middle and inner ring
chain lines are relatively straight if shifting to the middle after cog 5
Hi Toshi,
Riding in Utah is indeed a gift. I mostly trade the bike for nordic skiing
in the winter, so I haven't ridden outside much of late, but riding up the
canyons never gets old.
Our club is so small as to manage only a handful of rides each year, though
in the warmer months I can
Hey Brady,
You live in a beautiful area! I've only been there in the winter to the
ski resorts but imagine that it is amazing cycling there.
I don't know if your local club has 300k + 300k or something like that,
then you could practice the sleep thing. The way I approached the 600k is
to ride
Bill L stated: " If it were me, I'd experiment with a 42-tooth big ring
before going to a triple"
Question to Bill: Will a 42T large ring result in the FD hitting the
chain stay in the inner ring of a triple (say 24T or 26T) ???
PS I agree with your comment on the 46-11 being a very
Bill L questioned the 12# weight difference.
I sort of missed the 12#, mainly since Bike D was stated to 'feel fast' and
I assumed B & C would use heavier tubing due to the 73 to 75# load
requirement and A must be thick gauge tubing given the 30# weight (Schwinns
in the 1980"s used 1010 18
Ben
You run a 46/30 with an 11-34 11sp cassette. If it were me, I'd experiment
with a 42-tooth big ring before going to a triple. 46x11 is pretty darn
high for a commuter/city bike. Anything higher than a 4:1 in my book is
for the sole purpose of pedaling at >>40mph. That is a real
Sad way to start off the year:
STOLEN: Rivendell Rambouillet - $200 (Santa Barbara)
Nice 54cm Rambouillet, nicely built.
Not mine, just saw in on CL.
https://santabarbara.craigslist.org/bik/d/santa-barbara-stolen-rivendell/7705846559.html
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:20:00 AM UTC-8
Thanks Ron. FWIW I would definitely want the longer stays. I’ve pretty much
determined my sweet spot for the majority of my riding is 35mm in a 622. So
long as I can fit a 35mm tire with metal fenders, I’m a happy camper. Not the
skinniest, not the fattest, just right.
I know this is a
I might agree that a triple is unnecessary unless you really like pedaling
downhill, but I'm off the 1x bandwagon. My Riv Custom (parts currently
transferred to a Clem) was set up with a 34 x 11-50 11-speed, SRAM Rival 1
rear mech. It's fine for most of the roads around here but there's a
Ok I see what you mean.
.Paul's brakes go 57 - 72mm for long reach...sorry about that
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:16:26 PM UTC-6 reynoldslugs wrote:
> The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well. I have the braze-on
> version, on a Tony Pereira.
>
>
>
I read that same VO post and decided it made a fine case for 1x. If you
are spending most of your time in the middle ring of a triple, why ride a
triple? I get it for racing, or keeping up with a fast group, but I don't
do those things.
My most recently acquired (old) bike has a triple,
I've been kind of triple-curious again. I live in a hilly part of L.A. My
commuter/city bike has an 11-34 11s with a 46/30 front. I've been finding
the 46 to 30 jump to feel pretty large. It feels much more dramatic than
50-34. For instance, if I switch big to small in the from, I'll sift down
John played along and gave an interesting answer. Interesting for two
reasons:
1. Patrick Moore's Bike C is objectively more flexible than Bike D.
2. John H doesn't think a 12 pound lighter bike will feel faster or easier
to pedal
BL in EC
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You received this message because you are
The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well. I have the braze-on
version, on a Tony Pereira.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677929833/in/album-72157643546486474/
If they work on a Roaduno, I'd vote for them.
Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:37:28
47-57 is still mid-reach, regardless of what the description says.
On Jan 9 2024, at 11:05 am, Ryan wrote:
> https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783
>
> Black may not be your cup of tea mind you. Silver is out of stock.
>
> Or are these not long enough
https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783
Black may not be your cup of tea mind you. Silver is out of stock.
Or are these not long enough reach? Maybe this issue came up before
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:37:28 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
> I assume
Don,
You might try overshifting a bit in the cogs that are giving you trouble,
that's actually how Shimano designed the index-shifting in the trigger
shifters for your derailleur: Give the thumbie a proper shove - almost like
you're planning to skip over a cog - then pull back a smidge to
> On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:40 PM, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxxhoKVVCvg
>
> I don't know how to embed this, or whether good will embed it, but the
> youtube link is the mode shape that produces planing from the rear triangles.
>
>
That appears to be two dimensional
I dissent. Front derailers are unnecessarily complicated to setup, and so
are triple chainrings, especially on XD2s. I have 1X 10 one two bikes, and
love it, and I just specced a 1X 11 with a Deore 5100 derailer and 11-51
cassette for my BMC Monstercross. The whole drivetrain cost less than
Because the other 3 are stiffer and harder to pedal, unless operated at their
design conditions, e.g B & C need a 73 to 75 lbm additional load.
John HawrylakWoodstown NJ
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:42:09 PM EST, Bill Lindsay
wrote:
OK, thought experiment time!
You have to
The video depicts "simulated displacement of the bicycle frame when excited
at a natural frequency of 446.54Hz. The motion is magnified five times."
Requesting some help with my simple mind on this. 446.54Hz? And magnified
five times. I can't help be reminded of the wreck.bikes.tech Jobst days,
The smallest ring available (to my knowledge) for a road triple crank is a
24. A mountain crank has a 22. You should be able to grab a 44-32-22 if
desired. If you go for a vintage crank you might be able to find a silver
one. Most of them seem to be black.
Toshi in Oakland
On Fri, Jan 5, 2024
For years Grant/Rivendell argued against lots of gears in the rear because
people didn't need to shift that much. The message was to push through if
its too hard or even get off and push the bike up the hill. Now its
shifting to a new argument...why not have those extra gears available.
OK, thought experiment time!
You have to build four bikes. All four bikes must fit you identically. All
the contact points of all four bikes will be identical. All four bikes
will have geometry/handling that are similar enough to each other that
you'll concede they ride/handle the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxxhoKVVCvg
I don't know how to embed this, or whether good will embed it, but the
youtube link is the mode shape that produces planing from the rear
triangles.
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:02:55 AM UTC-6 Keith P. wrote:
> Really interesting points Ted.
I have a triple on just one bike (Soma Saga). My main problem is that when I’m
in the smallest chainring I am moving so slowly that it’s hard to stay upright.
On the very steep inclines that necessitate the small cog, I find it easier to
just get off and walk the bike up the hill (something we
I just did my first longer ride on a triple and really enjoyed it. It was
fifty miles of mixed terrain. I use downtube shifters and like to not fuss
with both levers when you are not sure what's around the bend on trails so
I left my front crank in the middle gear like a 1x during those
VO makes a good case for triples:
https://mailchi.mp/velo-orange.com/triplesaregreatchangemymind?e=9c5efe5ba1
*Simplicity and Effectiveness* While 1x systems boast simplicity, the
emphasis on constant shifting may be overstated. Many riders find
themselves primarily using the middle ring,
Really interesting points Ted.Thanks for writing them up!k.On Jan 9, 2024, at 6:12 AM, Bill Schairer wrote:Ted,I love your explanation! My niece is a college crew coach and she also cycles. I will have to ask her about "swing."Bill SSan DiegoOn Monday, January 8, 2024 at 7:15:31 AM UTC-8 Ted
I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did decide
to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake. (They had officially
discontinued it just a couple of years ago). It's almost $400 for a pair,
but at least it comes in purple. ;-)
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at
It is amazingly epic and not like anything else, ever.
I've done it twice with my son on a tandem back when he was 8 and 9 years
old. First year, pouring rain and a sparse crowd. While freezing, we made
it to the 4th borough before bailing and taking the Brooklyn Bridge back to
Manhattan.
My Platypus complete in Sergio's Green has landed. Swapped out the Tosco
bars for Billies. Installing a Sims Obento front rack and basket next. I've
got a long wait until spring!
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:17:00 AM UTC-5 sarahlik...@gmail.com wrote:
> What a delight for your wife to see
What a delight for your wife to see this under the Christmas tree!
Sarah
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:
> [image: IMG_0972.jpg]
> Should have reported back sooner but the bike did come in time for
> Christmas.
> On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 8:59:06 AM UTC-5
Ted,
I love your explanation! My niece is a college crew coach and she also
cycles. I will have to ask her about "swing."
Bill S
San Diego
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 7:15:31 AM UTC-8 Ted Durant wrote:
Not to be overly contrarian, but ...
Planing is a terrible word for the phenomenon in
CONGRATULATIONS on the new PLATYPUS! And that Antonio build is a fabulous
choice. The Billie Bars are a dream, and if this set up doesn't make her
fall in love in riding I don't know what will. I have a B67 on my Platypus.
I was riding for a while on the Rivet Sonora which is by far my most
The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach
brakes.
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan wrote:
> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some
What about vo grand cru brakes?
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing
> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on
> my previous experiences with them, they are
I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing
build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on
my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, and
unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
I’m looking
Joe, I'm using Silver2 friction shifters with thumbshifter mounts. Same as
this:
https://www.rivbike.com/cdn/shop/products/stemshiftersilverclose-7_750x.jpg
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 12:39:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
> Don,
>
> What shifters are you using? Are they index or friction?
Don,
What shifters are you using? Are they index or friction?
Joe Bernard
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 6:03:50 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
> So I'm about a couple weeks into owning my Homer, which I'm loving so far.
> Its use has been limited to pavement save for a short segment of dirt
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