The tomato is a veggie. Not because of the Supreme Court, tariffs, seeds, or
any other reason. It is a veggie because it's calorie density is most similar
to veggies. Unless of course, you believe that not all calories are alike.
• Perry
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On 12/05/2013 12:17 PM, Perry wrote:
The tomato is a veggie. Not because of the Supreme Court, tariffs, seeds, or
any other reason. It is a veggie because it's calorie density is most similar
to veggies. Unless of course, you believe that not all calories are alike.
From what I've read,
On Dec 5, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On 12/05/2013 12:17 PM, Perry wrote:
The tomato is a veggie. Not because of the Supreme Court, tariffs, seeds, or
any other reason. It is a veggie because it's calorie density is most
similar to veggies. Unless of
Glad you're making it your own! Looks delicious.
Best,
Eric
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Only because Patrick is an absolute ZEALOT about his caveman artisinal
authenticity, I'll point out that cavemen VERY rarely bought canned
tomatoes at Costco. Nevermind the myriad difficulties building a frying
station 10,000 years ago.
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 10:03:27 AM UTC-8,
On 12/04/2013 02:18 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Only because Patrick is an absolute ZEALOT about his caveman artisinal
authenticity, I'll point out that cavemen VERY rarely bought canned
tomatoes at Costco. Nevermind the myriad difficulties building a
frying station 10,000 years ago.
Even more
Ugh sez you all full of ___. Ugh like ketchup. Ugh caveman. Ergo, quod erat
demonstrandum.
Patrick a belly laugh is worth 10,000 syllogisms Moore
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On 12/04/2013 02:18 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Only because Patrick is an
On 12/04/2013 03:37 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Ugh sez you all full of ___. Ugh like ketchup. Ugh caveman. Ergo, quod
erat demonstrandum.
You think cavemen spoke Latin?
Patrick a belly laugh is worth 10,000 syllogisms Moore
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
Now for something related: is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
*ABSOLUTELY! YES!*
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On 12/04/2013 03:47 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Now for something related: is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
*
ABSOLUTELY! YES!*
Ah, but which? And on what basis? Note: there is no ambiguity here,
the issue was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
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For me, the issue was decided by Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, which was
based on petroglyphs.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 1:51:27 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/04/2013 03:47 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Now for something related: is the tomato a fruit or a
Ah, but which? And on what basis?
PRECISELY! I couldn't have said it better!
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:51:27 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On 12/04/2013 03:47 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Now for something related: is the tomato a fruit or a vegetable?
* ABSOLUTELY! YES!*
On Wednesday, December 4, 2013 12:51:27 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Ah, but which? And on what basis? Note: there is no ambiguity here, the
issue was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.
Nix v Hedden: SCOTUS unanimously decided it's a vegetable.
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Last time I looked at a carton of F/F 1/21/2 the first (non-dairy)
ingredient was...corn syrup...
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Philip Williamson
philip.william...@gmail.com wrote:
Fat free half and half - I fell for that once (no idea why, it's not my
style). Neither cream NOR milk!
Gee, I think I see a commercial here... *Steve, have a Snickers Bar...
When you get hungry you act like Kathleen Sebelius... *
Let the cavemen have their own Ketchup... Heinz is the only ketchup for my
fries...
BB
On Monday, November 25, 2013 4:58:38 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On
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On 11/25/2013 05:10 PM
:* Monday, November 25, 2013 5:18 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup
On 11/25/2013 05:10 PM, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
I've gone through all of these posts, and it's quite amusing! Now Grant
will have to source some sugar-less
Thanks--that was a brand I found that looked likely and is cheap, but I knew
nothing of the taste. Will order some.
Patrick Moore
iPhone
On Nov 25, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Chris Halasz chal...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick,
If it hasn't been mentioned already, Westbrae vegetarian unsweetened
I'm trying to understand what you want in the flavor here, Hugh. I can
understand trying to avoid high fructose corn syrup, and I also can
understand dialing down the sugar somewhat, but isn't trying to have
unsweetened ketchup like having a chocolate bar without chocolate?
Ketchup is a fruit
Wouldn't mammoth blood be caveman ketchup?
On Nov 25, 2013 12:10 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm trying to understand what you want in the flavor here, Hugh. I can
understand trying to avoid high fructose corn syrup, and I also can
understand dialing down the sugar somewhat,
Anne,
Actually, once our family stopped eating sugar (and other sweeteners) all
the time in most everything (seriously, look at the labels. If it's
processed, it has some form of sugar in it, for starters), the natural
flavors of real food wake up and are far more lively. Ketchup is a sauce,
I'm not arguing about whether you should like sweet things. You should
like what you like. I'm just saying that if you take ketchup, a
condiment whose main flavor is sweet, and you remove all the sugar,
you have something else other than ketchup. It might be something
delicious, but it's not
First, in general: thanks for the comments and suggestions, which I will
followup. But no brown sauce for me -- leave that for the dull-palated
English.
Anne: I'm not Hugh, but since I posted the original question, I'll answer:
I like ketchup for french fries, of which I eat a lot (home made, of
We make our own. The only sugar is that that comes directly from our
tomatoes, which is a fair amount. Most fruits have plentya sugar on their
own, so adding isn't necessary, but as Anne mentioned, taking away all
sugar from anything fruit based would be taking away the fruit essence.
Ketchup,
I understand, Anne. I simply disagree with the premise that ketchup is
inherently sweet or needs to be. Makers of processed foods add sweetener to
everything for one reason -- sweet is addictive.
I would also argue that taking the sugar out of ketchup is like taking the
sugar out of chocolate.
Hugh: Thanks. My brother, who shops at TJ's regularly, told me that they
(or at least the one he shops at here in ABQ) no longer carries it.
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick,
Don't know if you have Trader Joe's out there but they sell an organic
Eric -- would you share your recipe? The few recipes I found online -- no
cooking, use tomato sauce in a can and add a few taste enhancers -- looked,
well, not appetizing -- to my very untrained cook's eye, I must add.
Bikes: I like a big plate of french fries with good ketchup after a long
bike
Patrick M- I'll get you the recipe once I've consulted my dear wife. I use
we a lot, when I should probably just say my lovely wife. We usually
substitute our own tomatoes for canned, take out the added sugar, but may
use a paste. I'll get details for ya.
Patrick of the Deacon sort- I agree
I'm not in the food bucket you think I'm in, Eric. We eat the naturally
occurring sugars in the fruit we consume, so there is no difference between
us there. Grin.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:16:06 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
Patrick M- I'll get you the recipe once
Thanks, Eric. Look forward to it, mouthwateringly.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM, EGNolan egno...@gmail.com wrote:
Patrick M- I'll get you the recipe once I've consulted my dear wife. I use
we a lot, when I should probably just say my lovely wife. We usually
substitute our own tomatoes
I'd love the recipe too, Eric.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:16:06 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
Patrick M- I'll get you the recipe once I've consulted my dear wife. I use
we a lot, when I should probably just say my lovely wife. We usually
substitute our own tomatoes
On 11/25/2013 12:30 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
I'm not arguing about whether you should like sweet things. You should
like what you like. I'm just saying that if you take ketchup, a
condiment whose main flavor is sweet, and you remove all the sugar,
you have something else other than ketchup. It
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup
On 11/25/2013 12:30 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
I'm not arguing about whether you should like sweet things. You should
like what you like. I'm just saying that if you take ketchup, a
condiment whose main flavor is sweet, and you
Fat free half and half - I fell for that once (no idea why, it's not my
style). Neither cream NOR milk! Half carageenan, half water?
Philip
www.biketinker.com
On Monday, November 25, 2013 9:30:30 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
I'm not arguing about whether you should like sweet things. You
When we lived in Oregon, we'd go to Little Big Burger when we were in
Portland. They served Portland Ketchup, which might fit your needs:
http://www.madeinoregon.com/Natural-Ketchup-Portland-Ketchup-Company.html;
my kid didn't like it, we actually took Heinz with us when we went.
Now we go to
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On 11/25/2013 12:30 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
I'm not arguing about whether you should like sweet things. You should
like what you like. I'm
I know right? What the hell is wrong with him? Why doesn't he get his
definition of things from Wikipedia like normal people?
harrumpf!
On Monday, November 25, 2013 12:42:15 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
I always hesitate to disagree with Steve, but if we’re going to rely on
federal regulators
: Monday, November 25, 2013 3:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup
On 11/25/2013 03:42 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
I always hesitate to disagree with Steve, but if we're going to rely on federal
regulators to tell us what ketchup is, we're
On 11/25/2013 04:00 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:
I believe one reason that book is so good is that Sayers worked (I'm
pretty sure) in an ad agency and knew what she was talking about.
Yes indeed she did. She was the author of the slogan Guinness is Good
For You. Quoting the
What do you think a nutritive carbohydrate sweetener is? It's *sugar*!
You may say that one can leave out the sugar, and it will still legally
qualify as ketchup. Apparently so, but it is not going to taste like
ketchup.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
Which helps illustrate the point I'm making, Anne, that most people's
tastebuds get so much sweet in the food they are used to eating so foods
without it taste wrong even though they aren't.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, November 25, 2013 2:13:40 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
What do you
On 11/25/2013 04:13 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
What do you think a nutritive carbohydrate sweetener is? It's *sugar*!
Sugar is a nutritive carbohydrate sweetener, but it is not the only
one. Others include include glucose, fructose, corn syrup, high
fructose corn syrup, and sugar alcohols
I just ate a snickers bar to see if it tasted right, yup it was delicious.
;-)
On Nov 25, 2013 4:24 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
On 11/25/2013 04:13 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
What do you think a nutritive carbohydrate sweetener is? It's *sugar*!
Sugar is a nutritive
Neutral corners, boys...
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On 11/25/2013 04:26 PM, Peter Morgano
On 11/25/2013 04:26 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
I just ate a snickers bar to see if it tasted right, yup it was
delicious. ;-)
I don't think there's a federal standard of identity for snickers bar
and I doubt there's a version made without sugar or other nutritive
carbohydrate sweetener...
I'm sure it did.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, November 25, 2013 2:26:42 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
I just ate a snickers bar to see if it tasted right, yup it was
delicious. ;-)
On Nov 25, 2013 4:24 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com javascript:
wrote:
On 11/25/2013 04:13 PM, Anne
I've gone through all of these posts, and it's quite amusing! Now Grant
will have to source some sugar-less ketchup from the farmers market so that
we can buy some for the holidays. Bike Book and Ketchup anyone?
On Monday, November 25, 2013 5:00:07 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I'm sure
Debate ought to be spelled de-bait lol.Hook line and sinker.
Dangle a little something in this case catsup . and watch the
feasting upon each other begin ;)
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(Quietly tip-toe-ing out of the room, appalled by what he has spawned ...)
Patrick aka Lizzie Borden aka Dorothy L Sayers Moore, who wants to see
the Fed Specs for potatoes (and who does, really, want to see Eric's Wife's
recipe).
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Steve Palincsar
On 11/25/2013 06:34 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
(Quietly tip-toe-ing out of the room, appalled by what he has spawned ...)
Patrick aka Lizzie Borden aka Dorothy L Sayers Moore, who wants to
see the Fed Specs for potatoes (and who does, really, want to see
Eric's Wife's recipe).
You asked for
Anne,
Probably no reason to reply as others have made many good points...but just
to speak for my self.
As I'm sure you are aware refined sugar is ubiquitous and IMHO poison to
our bodies. If I used your chocolate metaphor I'd be removing the tomatoes
from the Ketchup? That's not what I want, I
+1 on the recipe.
Best,
~Hugh
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
I'd love the recipe too, Eric.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Monday, November 25, 2013 11:16:06 AM UTC-7, EGNolan wrote:
Patrick M- I'll get you the recipe once I've consulted my dear
Patrick,
If it hasn't been mentioned already, Westbrae vegetarian unsweetened ketchup.
We usually find it at Whole Foods.
Very nice; we like it more than any sweetened.
Please let us know what you think.
Cheers,
Chris
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paelo indeed. good one! I had a very good seafood paelo in Llanes,
Spain.
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:26:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
Not too off topic, I hope, given all the paelo stuff.
Can anyone recommend a ketchup that is not hugely over-sweetened like
Heinz's typical, with
We use Muir Glen Organic, which still has more sugar than we'd like, but
our homemade attempts have been unsatisfactory. We also use it as the base
for our BBQ.
With abandon,
Patrick
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 3:26:19 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
Not too off topic, I hope, given all the
Patrick,
Don't know if you have Trader Joe's out there but they sell an organic
ketchup that has 2 grams of sugar per table spoon like Deacon I'd like none.
~Hugh
On Sunday, November 24, 2013 2:26:19 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
Not too off topic, I hope, given all the paelo stuff.
Can
(And what wine goes best with ketchup?)
Might I suggest a nice 57 varietal?
Jeff Hagedorn
Warragul, VIC Australia
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This one is pretty good:
http://www.stevespaleogoods.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Chef-Ketchup
I'm also a big fan of their PaleoKits (jerky and nuts), which are great meals
for frequent flyers trying to avoid airport meals.
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