Rode the length of the GDMBR with a large Wald basket zipped to the NItto
front rack and loaded with 3-4 Kg of goodies (tent poles, camp stool,
sleeping bag, frisbee, slops, etc. and on good days, a six-pack). Like
Wally E. I had a Sea-to-Summit 3/4" strap around the tombstone hoop and
wrapped
What Justin said. You can also run both stays to the mid-fork braze on.
Best,
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Hi Joe,
Good to hear your feedback on these shifters.
I have been looking for an alternative to the IRD shifters.
Thanks gain Joe :-)
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 1:58 PM Joe Bernard wrote:
> I had them on a Clem, they work great in friction. You can even use the
> left in index mode if you swap the
I had them on a Clem, they work great in friction. You can even use the left in
index mode if you swap the cables. It might feel weird to your brain, but
there's really no reason for the rear shifting to be on the right side. The
derailers don't care where the shifter is!
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Thanks Joe, I was really hoping it was possible.
After destroying several friction shifter after my bike falls over, I moved
all my shifters inside the handlebar.
Ed
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:22 PM Joe Bernard wrote:
> Ed, the shifters are reversed with the 9-speed clicker on the left in
>
Ed, the shifters are reversed with the 9-speed clicker on the left in friction.
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Related to that blug, I just noticed that the red MicroShift, 9 speed
SL-T09 is installed inside the handlebar.
I would like to use this shifter but I thought it could not be used inside
the handlebar.
Edgar
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:51 AM Jonathan D. wrote:
> It looks like the new front rack
That’s a Mark’s rack with long stays.
-J
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It looks like the new front rack for baskets can be seen on the BLUG on the
MIT Atlantis.
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A 27f without lowriders is basically a VO constructeur. I’d love to see a 27f,
but instead of the removable lowriders you get a slightly higher/extended
permanent crossbar that would be wide enough for small panniers. There seems to
be a gap in the market for non huge racks that can take a
I always thought of my Clementine as half pug.
On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 at 8:28:28 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
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>
> I don't dislike the 8-pack/12-pack at all, but will agree it's too bulky
> and clunky against the elegant lines of a rivendell frame. Looks just
> right on a pugsly though.
>
>
Regarding the Surly rack: there was a picture in a newsletter or blog entry in
the last year or so, where mark had figured out a superior way to mount it to a
riv fork. He used the bosses on the top of the crown but, instead of using the
straight struts and having to bend them, he used the
Insider information is good!
But, I dunno, a 27F without the low rider isn’t so good looking either. I could
stand the 8-pack rack if I’m zip tying a basket on it. At some point, I’m just
putting the 34F on and calling it a day.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I can't currently think of a
front rack that is less-attractive to my eye than a Surly 8-pack. That
tells you more subjectively about my eye than it does objectively about the
Surly 8-pack rack, but I think it's a pretty gross design, and I'd totally
I appreciate the versatility of the Surly 8-Pack Rack, but the
erector-set-style mounting gives me the heebies. Even if it works well and
doesn't rattle loose it just looks... bad.
I'm planning to try the Soma Champs Élysées Mini Front Rack for my
new-to-me Hilsen:
I've been thinking about this an I'm really intrigued by the Surly 8-Pack
rack vs. the Nitto 32F. The surly doesn't seem to interfere with the fork
crown and straddle carrier in any way. Installation looks as clunky as any
of these racks with canti-brakes.
Also curious to see what the Nitto
My dog rides in my front basket pretty often. Every once in a while, I'll
get passed by a car and the passenger will yell out the window "...and your
little dog too!"
Brad
Queens
On Monday, August 27, 2018 at 3:27:17 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
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> Mark, Ive gotten rid of bikes for no other
I did once. Grey-blue Hillborne with two top tubes and tweed Nigel Smythe
loafer on the rear rack. The commenter specifically referenced the bag in back,
asking if Toto was in there. Not too jerkish though.
A jerk-toned comment once was, "Do you have a picnic back there?" My answer
was, "I
Mark, Ive gotten rid of bikes for no other reason except they were black, BUT
black Clementines look wicked sick!! If I ever got another it would have to be
black!
Although, people already ask me where Toto is; does anyone else ever get Wiz of
Oz comments?
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I have the 8 pk rack on my Clementine as well & it's my favorite setup. Rock
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Thank you Mark!
My Appaloosa has those fork crown bolts. Good to get a confirmation that
this's doable.
It will also nicely complement a black Wald's basket I have.
Perhaps for models with no crown bolts this is not a good option, as lambbo
suggested.
On Saturday, 25 August 2018 05:29:25
I like the fact that it avoids the fork crown which I need for a cable stop to
avoid break chatter.
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Ash,
I had one mounted on my Cheviot - it did not fit well but got me through a
couple loaded mini-tours and very heavy material runs. However, I took it off
after about a year, because it was just so oddly attached (clamps).
Wouldn't recommend it.
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I've got a mark's rack with a wald basket for way over a year now and have
been loading full and over the top many times. more than 8kg for sure.
there are 4 struts though which probably makes all the difference compared
to M18 for example.
On Wednesday, 15 August 2018 01:16:51 UTC+2, Bill
Has anybody found a way to mount Surly 8 pack rack on a Riv?
On Tuesday, 14 August 2018 16:16:51 UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> Apparently enough crazies are overloading their Wald baskets on Nitto
> racks, breaking them and suing over it that now Nitto is saying "no
> baskets". Rivendell
Also, there's Canti bolts & canti bolts, there not all made the same & when
mounting a rack I imagine slightly longer/stronger bolt(s) is advised .
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Ha, thanks for the answers, Bill, though I wasn't really looking for
affirmation; it was just a somewhat rhetorical question meant to keep the
conversation going in what I felt was an interesting direction.
On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 6:16:52 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Adam asked if
Adam asked if it would be mostly OK if he uses his personal property in a
way that he feels comfortable with. I'd answer with three statements
1. It sounds like your rack probably won't break.
2. If it does break you probably won't hurt yourself.
3. If it does break, It will be because you
Which also leads to the question... If you don't have to bend it to fit (the
ones I have slip right on to my canti Sam), then would it be mostly okay to
have a basket on it as long as you still follow the loading recommendations..?
On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 1:11:08 AM UTC-4, Justin,
It makes me winded if the compas adjustable disc rack has the same failure
mode? Or the Riv mini camper rack? Or the Granary rack? I’m assuming the main
reason for the breakage is not weight but the bending that happens to get an
m12 to fit in any bike.
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Way easier to bend the canti struts than the mounting bolt, at least on my
M14 (which also broke, but after 13 years of any old load).
Maybe the basket rack is going to be the exact same rack, but with a
different/better connection to the mounting bolt. Maybe it'll have a basket
tacked right
Awesome find, that answers a lot of questions!
On Tuesday, August 21, 2018 at 11:54:06 AM UTC-4, Wally Estrella wrote:
> Came across this on a random WWW search of baskets and racks.
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/12060356153/in/photostream/
> At least for these ones it was bolt/fork
I like the Velo Orange randonneur racks. The canti model has a diving board
type fork crown attachment, unlike the Nitto. I also have the sidepull
model, which I bought first, and they have beefed up the rack between the
time I bought that one and the canti type. I have a basket on the sidepull
Yep, I think that might be part of the problem. Nitto knows best so if they say
it's because the rack is getting overloaded, ok. But unlike the Marks and 32f
mini, the level of the m12 platform is not adjustable unless some part gets
bent. (Those other racks have fork brackets or p clamps for
With inevitable variations in canti post-to-fork crown dimensions (let alone
dropout-to-canti post dimensions), can't you just imagine people pre-stressing
that particular rack by flexing and forcing it to fit?!
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Good sleuthing! So it's the stud on the top strut that's breaking, but it's
specifically doing so on the racks where the lower struts attach to canti
posts. (Sorry - don't know my model numbers well enough to refer to them that
way.) The stud on the regular mini racks doesn't attach at that
Came across this on a random WWW search of baskets and racks.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jimg/12060356153/in/photostream/
At least for these ones it was bolt/fork crown snap and not the canti
mounts.
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:16:51 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> Apparently enough
I had a nightmarish vision that the new Basket Rack from Nitto, is going to be
a gigantic platform rack with little wire loops welded on the platform for zip
ties.
Shudder.
Clayton
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Less changing zipties every 3 months means less plastic being used.
On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 2:10:31 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
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> Isn't that what the Wald Clem Bosco Basket is?
>
> Laing
> Cocoa FL
>
> On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 1:43:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
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>> Curious: Why not
Rod
I posted my Cheviot at the beginning of this thread with pics. The Jandd
Extreme is pretty stout. THey advertise 40lb limit including the basket.
Jon
"FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS RIDE JUNK "
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:43 AM, Rod Holland
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> I've used Jandd Expedition rear racks for
Isn't that what the Wald Clem Bosco Basket is?
Laing
Cocoa FL
On Monday, August 20, 2018 at 1:43:38 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
> Curious: Why not instead make a quality basket with its own sturdy
> fittings? 3 sizes: small, medium and Wald Newsboy.
>
>
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Patrick asked "Why not built a quality basket?" But then what would good
Rivsters do with all their zip ties?
I've run a basket on a rear rack with good results.
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Curious: Why not instead make a quality basket with its own sturdy
fittings? 3 sizes: small, medium and Wald Newsboy.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 11:14 AM, EasyRider wrote:
> I predict HIGH demand for such a rack.
>
> I've used and broken the cheapo Sunlite front rack. Dunno if the design
> has
I've used Jandd Expedition rear racks for years, very happily. I'm eyeing the
Extreme front rack for use with an OAC Rambler, a bike built for front loads.
I'm heartened to hear your experiences with it.
rod
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I predict HIGH demand for such a rack.
I've used and broken the cheapo Sunlite front rack. Dunno if the design has
changed since, but the diving board was very cheap and broke suddenly. It was
not overloaded; I think it was actually empty when it failed. It didn't fall
forward onto the wheel,
In his Blahg post, Grant mentions they are working with Nitto to develop a
basket rack:
"...and are working with them to develop a Basket Rack. Stay tuned."
dougP
On Sunday, August 19, 2018 at 12:16:01 PM UTC-7, Clayton wrote:
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> I was dumb and had to overload my M-12 with a 25 lb. bag of
Me too. I’m the only person on this thread to have broken an m12 with a basket.
It took 14 years. I will not change my ways. I doubled down, and had the basket
welded to the rack. I expect the break the basket/rack never
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
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Total speculative brainstorming here:
I installed one of the regular mini racks on my clem earlier this year, using a
sheldon nut on the back of the crown so that i could space and elevate a fender
mount tab as high as possible, but also so that there was no slop/wiggle
between the mounting
I genuinely appreciated the lecture, Collin.
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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 4:01 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
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> you should be
>
> On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 10:11:40 PM UTC-5, Collin A wrote:...
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>>
>> Sorry for the lecture,
>> Collin A
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I have heard of failures of the fork crown bolt or the diving board
plate on the Mark's rack, but I would really like to see how much weight,
how it was loaded, and what kind of riding led to each failure. I'm not
going to ever go close to tempting fate with my loads, but my curiosity is
So is the common mode of failure at the fork crown bolt..? Seems like the
canti post mounts are fairly robust.
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 7:16:51 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Apparently enough crazies are overloading their Wald baskets on Nitto racks,
> breaking them and suing over it
I suggest we all continue to put baskets on Nitto racks, load them up, and not
be stupid.
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The screen name is yours and I love the peanut butter jar. That's so cute! 珞
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Correctamundo, Leah Belle Shamalama Ding Dong, it's about the little racks.
Your Big Rack could safely carry another bike
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I went to Nitto's Website and found some info on two of their racks:
http://nitto-tokyo.sakura.ne.jp/carrier-E.html
We can see the rack that has caused the uproar, the M12, with the warning.
The M18 doesn't have this warning.
I own the M18, it doesn't seem to different than the ones Riv
Hi Leah,
The Blahg post does not pertain to your Nitto Big Front Rack. Nitto Big
Front Rack (among others) connects to the drop out and can handle much
larger loads than the Nitto Mini, Marks, and other "rando-type" front racks.
Tailwinds,
Shoji
Arlington MA
On Friday, August 17, 2018 at
I’d like to see a mini front rack that somehow does not interfere with the fork
crown and my brake setup in any way, shape or form.
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Just to clarify: this Blahg post is only pertaining to the small Nitto racks
Rivendell sells, correct? I ask because I have the Nitto Big Front Rack with
the large Wald attached and I think if I was asked to remove it my dog would be
in hysterics... I've ridden my Betty Foy and he's ridden his
I have a SOMA demi Porteur with a medium Wald basket on an Atlantis.
Supposedly has a 10kg capacity and comes with a Manny strap.
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:05:00 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
> i wonder just how catastrophic or dangerous these rack failures are for
> the rider. if you
Thank you Rich.
It's as equally fun and comfortable to Ride.
Jon
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Peace of mind with that rack! Your Cheviot is a beauty.
Regards,
Rich in ATL
On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Jon Dukeman,central Colorado <
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> A couple more photos of Cheviot with Jandd front rack
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John, the way I read it is "We as a bicycle company are telling you not to run
baskets on these racks", with subtext "so if you ignore this advice, don't be
stupid about it."
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Instead of running just one strap from the rack tombstone to the
handlebars, I always ran a strap from each front corner of my basket to the
handlebar / stem junction, and one strap down to the base of the tombstone.
Did this with both my Mark's and Nitto 32F racks. I also never overloaded
I’ve never heard of a company selling a decaleur as a weight supporting device.
I’ve only heard and read of them being billed as a stabilizer. VOs initial
decaleurs got a lot of flack for breaking at the weld but most of the time it
appeared as if they were installed so the decaleur was load
Yes, but a lot of that weight is also being held up by the decaleur.
On Thursday, August 16, 2018 at 12:23:46 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> My limit on my VO Rando rack is filling up my GBerthoud GB25 bag. I don’t
> add more than thst as I was told that the VO rando is ok up to maybe 15lbs
Although Grant’s advice is good, there’s a mistake in one claim, and I’m gonna
be harsh here. The claim that the decaleur carries most of the weight of a
front bag is not supported (!) by evidence. The decaleur helps keep the bag
from flipping side-to-side too much.
Look at the various ways
I have been really enjoying the convenience of loading my front rack (Nitto
32-f) with a grocery bag full of goods in my Ocean Air Docena (Swift) bag
for years. In fact, yesterday, i loaded way more than I should have - at
22 pounds of goods (I weighed it when I got home cause I was curious).
My limit on my VO Rando rack is filling up my GBerthoud GB25 bag. I don’t add
more than thst as I was told that the VO rando is ok up to maybe 15lbs iirc.
BTW Those Bertie bags are heavy even empty.
My GB 25 is with Nitto for Pearl stems decaleur bar attachment on bag, no
stiffner- 604g
Jeremy, my rack/basket/Shop Sack use mirrors yours to a T. It's such a
perfect setup for most of my rides.
If I recall, the Mark's Rack is rated by Nitto for a capacity of five
pounds. The heavy stuff goes in the rear bag.
Best,
Rich in ATL
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 1:06:07 PM
I have a pass and stow rack with a basket and a swift basket bag that has
all my regular stuff in it always (pump/tools/u-lock/jacket/etc.).
Randomly, i rode without the bag for the first time in like a year
yesterday and was kind of blown away by how much nicer the bike feels
without that
I agree that a rack with a strut to the hub area would help immensely, but I've
recently changed the rack on my new Polyvalent to the SOMA Demi Porteur and I
can say that removing the hub area strut, smooths the ride out drastically.
You can have the swoopiest, gracefully curved fork soaking
I've become a front-rack-and-basket devotee over the past couple of years,
and the Medium Shop Sack has become my go-to commuting bag; it's definitely
the most convenient setup I've used. My daily commuting load is pretty
light, but occasionally I'll stop for groceries or beer on the way home,
Yeah, something to move the load transfer point closer to the center of the
load would help in that, but then you limit your ability run hub area or
low rider racks (depending on the configuration of said racks). Nitto's big
front rack, Surly's front, or the pricier Pass rack all fit the bill
What about if you run a long strut to the dropout? I do that assuming it helps,
but maybe I’m wrong.
Also, the basket rack in development sounds cool.
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Huh. I have had a basket on that exact rack, and broke the rack at the
center-hole bolt. Took ~14 years and a heavy-handed stranger to break it.
Now my basket is welded on, so I can't really take it off.
When I do bring home a 12 pack, the way is pretty slow and pretty paved.
Do decaleurs
Something like the Nitto big rack or Surly front rack will handle a loaded
basket no problem, but the problem I see is that people are sticking that
kind of load on a small rando rack and then "bikecamping" in some rugged
stuff and the racks have got to eventually fail. They aren't that strong
Well, kinda what concerns me is that, if they've had issues with it where does
that leave Wald? Most people run racks to support their baskets, because the
Wald struts are not up to the task. (Although typically the Wald attaches to
the handlebar as well) Still, failure or bending the strut
I run a JIS thru the tomb stone hoop then wrap it around the bars on each
side of the stem.
On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 7:58:36 AM UTC-4, jandrews wrote:
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> What's the best method for rigging up a an Irish strap as a semi-permanent
> support between mini-front and bar or mini-front and
What's the best method for rigging up a an Irish strap as a semi-permanent
support between mini-front and bar or mini-front and head tube that doesn't
affect steering or get in the way?
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>
> Sorry for the lecture,
> Collin A
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PS- that Compass one only keeps the pins from jumping out if you hit a big bump.
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I have one from them for pearl stems.
But i am talking about a bar that comes from stem to backstop to block the rack
from moving forward.
A regular decaleur could do this, utilizing the bag as the blocker of the
backstop (since top o bag is held to stem by decaler) unless the backstop is
able
Lum, I believe Compass cycles makes what you are describing:
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/stems-decaleurs/compass-decaleur/
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I agree, Patrick, definitely not as pretty as the Nitto. Part of the high
load rating for the Tubus (and most rear racks for that matter) is that
most of the load is transferred vertically to the eyelet bolts near the hub
rather than the clamped on strut at the top. The Nitto front (or any
I would love to see RBW make a “decailer” (MUSA spelling there, or “D-kaler”)
that would hold the rack up even in the event of a fork crown attachment
failure. Keep it stem bolt mounted and a tight pin fit like the “Nitto for
Pearl stem” decailers have, but then RBW could get the guys at NITTO
The mfr's load limit for the Fly was indeed 20 kg, or 44 lb -- 2.2 lb to
the kg; I was confused. I did max it out once or twice.
Not nearly as pretty as one of the Nittos though.
Presently using Chauncey Matthews customs; probably less strong than the
Tubuses but again, no breakage yet.
On Tue,
The no longer made Tubus Fly was rated at 22 kg, iirc, or 44 lb. Perhaps it
was 20 kg. It weighed 11 oz and attached with single, clamped-on strut at
the rear caliper mounting bolt. Pretty clear weight of rack to weight of
load limit ratio. I used them for 20 years, almost, on many bikes, as
If you want to haul a 12 pack, a 5 lb salami, cooking gear, etc., get
something from Surly.
I've used the small Nitto front rack with the single pin that mounts thru
the fork crown and welded on legs (non-adjustable) that attach the fork
blades on my Atlantis for well over 10 years. All the
Ron, the *static* weight of the load is always 10 times its mass (when
working in SI, otherwise its 32.2 times the mass in slugs). The dynamic
weight of your load is whatever your 12-pack of beer (about 4.5 Kg) is
accelerating at (relative to gravity) just as it hits the basket again;
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:20:52 PM UTC-7, Collin A wrote:
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>
> Lesson: Check those rack bolts often and have a backup in the form of the
> manny strap (at least until Riv solves all of our basketed-rack-woes)
>
For critical applications, one may want to consider using Nord-lock washers
Also, we, or at least I, don't know the conditions under which the Nitto
racks in question failed. Me, I have carried quite heavy loads (for such
light racks) but for no more than 10 or 15 miles 1-way, and generally half
that or even less; and all this on paved roads.
Still, I do wonder at the
Yeah, I'm not really sure on that. It's certainly "the thing to do"
nowadays though.
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:02:58 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Remind me why we're piling cargo on top of a rolling wheel that's also
> steering?
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The problem with rating racks is their static load tolerance can look
humongous (while their proper rating looks silly small), but in the dynamic
situation of a bouncing bicycle, the weight of that load becomes 10 times
its mass.
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I've had a heavily loaded, but not overloaded, front rack fail on me once,
albeit not a Nitto and it was partially mounted to the eyelets at the fork.
It basically pivoted around the hub and caught the front wheel on the
downswing, jammed the wheel, and almost sent me over the handlebars
i wonder just how catastrophic or dangerous these rack failures are for the
rider. if you think about it, a rack falling into the spinning front wheel
would be shot forward with the rotation of the tire. i'm not saying i'd
want this to happen but i can't picture a strut breaking causing the
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