Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Like I said, that's my opinion. I would never begrudge you yours. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I'm glad you have found the solution that you like, but some of us do like the way cantilevers work and are glad they still exist. Saying cantilevers are obsolete and only exist for fashion is a mistake. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

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Thanks. I had a Heron Road back in the day, too. It was a wonderful bike and I wish I still had it to complete the collection, but in reality, it is too racy for me. I'm much happier with wider tires and fenders. I think the cantilever brakes I had last on the Heron Touring were the BR550s. I

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

My caliper (Paul racer) Sam fits 700x50 tires just fine, and I've run 42s with fenders just fine as well. Neither felt like I was pushing it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

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Thanks. And yours is from 2009, which would be about the same time, or perhaps just a year or so later than mine was made. Point granted. On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Bob K. wrote: > Chris--That's a handsome bike! > > Patrick--Here are a couple of (admittedly very poor)

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Those are WTB Nano 700x40. They measure 37mm on my rims. That's the biggest that would fit in the chainstays. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

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My Sam had cantilevers (IRDs, set up by Riv staff -- best brakes I've ever used in terms of stopping power, light touch, and modulation or feel -- and, while it's been 6-7 years, I don't think mine could take such fat tires. I ran Jack Brown Greens. Perhaps I mis-remember. On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at

Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Patrick Moore said: "IIRC (my Sam Hill was an earlier model), the Sam can't fit tires much fatter." I run 42 mm Soma Shikoros on my '09 (canti) Sam, and could likely do so with fenders, though I haven't tried. I have also tried 47 mm Marathons without issue. Other folks even run 50 mm Big

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Hi all, this is my first post on this board, I've been lurking for a while. I recognize a lot of names from when I was active in the old iBOB mailing list years ago. Anyway, I signed up here because I'm considering a replacement for my Heron Touring. It's featued on Cyclofiend's "current

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Hello all, I'm the new owner of the previously mentioned Heron, and also an owner of a 58cm 2TT Sam. I thought I'd drop a line and give my initial impressions after only a couple commutes. My attraction to the Heron was mainly the canti brakes. I live in the PNW and commute on my Sam, my

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Thanks Bob - I saw the Heron site and assumed they would be in the realm of Waterford-built-Riv pricing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I will be no great source of information but a friend and I had a table at this last Denver Veloswap and I met Greg Parker, the guy now about to produce new Heron frames. His official website is: http://www.bicycleclassics.com With the Heron site getting most of the information updates:

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Looks like Heron is going through some changing/new model(s) coming soon? I can't find any salient info or pricing on the page.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

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Buy that Bombadill, keep your Sam and sleep with one under your pillow.  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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My Sam is a 56 cm 1st generation with 1 top tube, v-brakes and 35-37 mm tires. It was an ok fit with Noodles and an 8 cm stem. Albas with an 11 cm stem are much better. Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

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Not all Sams are that heavy of a guage. My old 52 blue Sam was 8-5-8 tt and dt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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The Silver Heron for sale looks like a Gen 2 Todd Kuzma heron with the oval fork blades. The Heron will have lighter gauge tubing than a Sam Hill. The Sam hill downtube for instance is 1.1mm -0.8mm. I find mine rides like a nice smooth road bike, not a tank like people describe the Surly LHT.

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

I agree with previous posters and am a Heron Touring owner. The Sam is more versatile (I am not a Sam owner). Tire max on the Kuzma era Heron touring is maybe 36mm actual, so some 38 labeled tires (soma c-line for instance) will fit and some might not. Fenders will fit any tire that fits in

RE: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Just to add some as a former owner of a Heron Touring: I sold it last year for financial reasons which was the right thing to do under my present circumstances (I still have four bikes) but miss it, a very nice and useful bike with character. It was bought at the same time Riv launched the

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

What's driving this is: 1. I live in Tel Aviv, which is a great place to live but very far from the mostly US based market for Riv and Rivish bicycles and related goods. 2. My sister in law is coming for a visit in a few months and she agreed to carry a bike for me in her checked luggage. The

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

Thanks guys. That's pretty clear. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

i remember someone who had one saying that the heron touring is similar to an AHH with less tire clearance. i find myself tempted by them every time i see one pop up, but i dont need a bike with less tire clearance. i agree with bill though. youve got a bike that can do almost anything. why

[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs Heron Touring ... GO

I can't think of a single thing a Heron would do that a Sam would not do. Replacing a Sam with a Heron seems like a lateral move at best. What itch are you scratching? Are you just bored with your Sam and want something new? Is your Sam the wrong size? Personally I would take a Samuel