[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I don't know the answer to your question but I wish I would have bought one when I had the chance and I probably will when a silver one comes up for sale. Patience is something I struggle with but one will pop up in time. Does anybody know if Riv plans on continuing the Joe? You'd think they

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I didn't think that many Joe's were up for sale. At least one less now because I've decided to not sell mine. The way this bike treats me on the kinds of roads and trails I ride on, I felt that I'm going to regret not having it even if frequency of me going out for rides were to be once a

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 8:44:53 AM UTC-7, Peter Turskovitch wrote: > > Hi Bill, sorry if the question seems ignorant. I don't know a ton about > bike geometry. > > Can't you put upright bars on any bike? Lots of bikes take 2" tires. And > what effect do the chainstays have? > You

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Hi Peter, I am not speaking for or stepping in for Bill but I do know he has bikes and miles to ride (see another post)! Bike geometry is one of those "simply complex" things and has been discussed for years, probably as long as modern bikes have existed. I would say read up on geometry

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Hi Bill, sorry if the question seems ignorant. I don't know a ton about bike geometry. Can't you put upright bars on any bike? Lots of bikes take 2" tires. And what effect do the chainstays have? On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 3:24:05 AM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Peter asked me to

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

If you neglect the chainstays there are similar bikes. For instance my Vaya can do everything you mentioned but approaches from a different perspective. Unique is not synonymous with identical... > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Peter asked me to explain what I find unique about the Joe Appaloosa. I think it's self-evident, but ok List all the loaded touring bikes purpose built for upright bars, designed to take 29x2.0 tires plus fenders, with >50 cm chainstays. There is one bike on that list. Bill -- You

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Hi Bill, can you expand on what you find unique about the bike? Peter On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:34:00 PM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Thanks for playing along Stuart. For the record, I think the LHT is a > very good bike. > > I wonder what the resale value of these Rosco Bubbe

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Hugh Very well stated, thanks for the insights John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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all of this was very well said. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I've sold all my Rivendell's excluding my wife's Betty Foy, and that may hit the block too. I'll comment on my reason's for selling which has nothing to do with anyone else's experience with owning then selling their Rivendell's. My first Riv was an A.H.H and that was the last to go because it

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

i've had a lot of rivs over the past year - sam, chev, hunq, joe appaloosa, soma san marcos. for me it was about fit i always seemed to fall right in between. so i sold everything and got a custom. while i was waiting for the custom, i ordered the appaloosa and figured if it doesn't work i can

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I'd love to have a Scorcher, but they rarely change hands anymore. The bike has become almost a myth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I always thought those Ibis Scorchers were cool-looking bikes when they came out in the 90s On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 6:07:56 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > I imagine another factor here is that we are looking at a certain subset > of Rivendell owner, one who belongs to this RBW group.

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I imagine another factor here is that we are looking at a certain subset of Rivendell owner, one who belongs to this RBW group. Kind of a concentrated, tiny niche within a tiny, microscopic niche. Being a rabid Rivendell fan and hooked in to the ongoing creation process through social media and

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

1. As many have said, most people bought them never having ridden one. 2. Price point was great from Riv, resale values good enough to recover a decent chunk to continue bike experimenting. 3. Riv is coming out with lots of interesting and cheap (er) designs at the same time with the Clem's,

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Glad to hear it, Brad! It's a nice bike and I miss it occasionally, but there's always more Rivs in the sea. She got a nice Appaloosa and I'm getting a nice CLEM L (with low stepover for my creaky old bones), so everybody wins! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

> > I priced it at a number I could live with, and someone offered to pay it > without haggling. My wife bought Joe's Appaloosa and she LOVES it. Brad Queens -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Yes, the 'still mostly new condition with nice parts' resale value played an huge part in my Appa selling. I priced it at a number I could live with, and someone offered to pay it without haggling. Otherwise it would still be in my apartment. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I have one up for sale. It is a solid, beautiful, fun bike. Can be configured in many, many ways. My reason for selling is not getting enough chances to ride it. Looking forward to owning one again (or whatever version Riv might have by then) after couple of years when situation changes

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Thanks for playing along Stuart. For the record, I think the LHT is a very good bike. I wonder what the resale value of these Rosco Bubbe mini-runs will be? I have one and will soon have two of them. My blue Rosco Road liftatube frame was $925. In 10 years, will it be worth $400? $700?

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I duly concede to Bill that my comparisons may have been over-generalized. FWIW, I've ridden an unloaded LHT (rented for a week in Portland) and thought it was plenty fun, and granted it was two years ago but I would say it was very similar to riding my Joe now. Back to the topic, and I'm

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

+1 on Stuart's comment. One of the challenging things about a Rivendell is that many of us must purchase them sight unseen. While this may be perfectly acceptable for aesthetics (or else we wouldn't buy them in the first place) or fit (I trust that the folks at Riv know their bikes), the ride

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I tend to agree with Bill. I used to own a Trucker. Good bike, but it felt dead without a load, and the wheelbase was 460, I believe, not the Appaloosa's 535 (if I'm remembering right). Huge Difference. I ride my Appaloosa with drops about an inch above the saddle. Hard to get the Trucker front

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Stuart says the Appaloosa is a nicer, upright Surly Long Haul Trucker. To prove his point he attached photos of two 26" wheel Surly Long Haul Truckers, one with rim brakes and one with disc brakes, both with drop bars. I concede the point with a proviso: If your bike-category-buckets are

Re: [RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I also bought a Hunquapillar and still on the fence about keeping it. I find my AR a little more comfortable but sure do enjoy the larger tires on our bony descents here in the White Mtns Steve On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 3:22 PM Brian Campbell wrote: > +1. I bought a Hunq

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

+1. I bought a Hunq and it was way more bike than I ever needed for the riding I do. I sold it. Thankfully I had and still have, my AHHH. It does everything I need. On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:23:46 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote: > > Bob asked: "What are the reasons anyone sells a bike that they

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Bob asked: "What are the reasons anyone sells a bike that they recently bought, within a year say? Did they get swept up in dreaming of a type of riding they don't really do? Was it too much to reasonably afford? Was it bought without enough research or the research misled? Did another

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I thought the LHT was sort of an Atlantis copy? On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 1:55:24 PM UTC-4, Stuart Lovinggood wrote: > A lot, maybe not most, of people buy Rivs sight unseen. And because most > people have only ever ridden bikes with shorter wheelbases, it's not > necessarily clear

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

Please, let's not make this into a "what's unique and what's not" kinda thing since every bike is unique and one of a kind. It's just we're so used to devaluing what IS, as if "over there is the One special bike/thing", but not right here . That's like looking to the skies for a nice

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

+1 and absolutely agreed with Bill's comments... I rode my Joe on a group ride last night and it was perfect. Fast enough, completely comfortable, able to handle roads and trails, and (with good lights) enabled an absolutely beautiful and fun ride home in the dark on a perfect summer night.

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

A lot, maybe not most, of people buy Rivs sight unseen. And because most people have only ever ridden bikes with shorter wheelbases, it's not necessarily clear exactly how a longer one will affect handling, especially because everyone's bodies and abilities are different. I would say it all

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I reject the assertion that 'so many' are being sold. That said, I sold one. The reason I sold my 55 Appaloosa is a longish story and I'm too long-winded as it is. The short reason is that the Appaloosa wasn't expensive enough. It is awesome and perfect, but not expensive enough. The

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I think we live in a time where many other companies are now making gravel/tour/adventurey bikes. Competetion in that niche is high, as is the rate of shiny new things being shown to people. I hear you on the sluggish feel. I sometimes feel that on my hunqapillar. Then I load it up, or take it

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I should've jumped on a hi-ho silver. Anyone not want their 55? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: why so many joe's up for sale?

I'm afraid that I can't help you on this one. I have a 2017 and own quite a few bikes and the Joe would be among the very last to be sold. On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:45:22 PM UTC-4, Singlespeed Johnny wrote: > > i accidentally hijacked a for sale thread asking this and am sorry for >