Hey, SAMBobs:
Well, I'll weigh in here as a longtime RAMrider and now somewhat
experienced SAMrider. Also have other racy lightweight bicycles hanging
around for comparison.
My son and I just finished building his SAM with very nice wheels (White
Ind / H PLUS SON TB14) and fat -- for me --
That might not be as conclusive as you imagine, since the weight difference
would likely be insignificant. For instance, the difference between a Tange
1 and a Tange 2 frameset is only a handful of grams--but the tubing
thickness (and diameter, but the SH and AHH have the same diameter frames)
Thanks for the rain Bill, lord knows we need it.
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Scott McLain if I am out there.
I am out there. Thanks for asking
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Just in case you were going to ask a follow-up question:
I have not weighed both frames. Next time I have my Hillborne completely
apart I likely will weigh it. Next time I have my hands on a bare
Rivendell
Hi Eric. keeping the thread alive.
I was wondering if Bill had weighed both frames. I would imagine he has. It
would be hard to argue that an AHH would be more lively if it weighed more or
the same.
Are you out there Bill?
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Fair enough. I’d say the most significant difference in those bikes would be
the style of brakes and the slope of the top tube. Reasonable folks could
easily have different preferences. Beyond that there are aesthetic differences,
I think even between different vintages of the same model. Of
I do not know for a fact if the Hilsen and the Hilborne share the same
tubing, but based on the catalog copy, the Hilsen leaning road and the
Hilborne leaning fire road gravel grind, I assume the Sam has a beefier
fork for sure, and probably other more substantial frame tubing as well.
If, as
Hi Bill,
What you're saying, in essence, is that I'm underestimating the effect of
the "build objective" on the ride. I'm not curious enough to test your
hypothesis in this case, but you may well be right. If so, then that could
explain the divergence of opinion I saw in the previous thread
My experience with my Sam and Rambouillet would support this. The Ram is mostly
Dura Ace with light wheels and feels sporty while the Sam is built to carry a
load. For me a Sam with similar components would probably have a similar ride
to my Ram. I think the Sam invites the rider to load it up
Part of it for me probably hinges on the fact that I'm a mechanic. As a
mechanic, the frame and the parts are the paints and the canvas, andthe
frame. As the mechanic, I'm the painter. The build is the thing, to me.
For exactly the same reason you said: "I wouldn't recommend getting a
Hi Bill,
My comment reflected only my opinion that the models ride a little
differently. I own both now, so like you I can directly compare them.
There's not a *lot* of difference between them, but in general I find the
Hilsen to be a little sportier and a little more fun. I have them set
Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen
functionally equivalent.
I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it applies
to myself. I owned them both, both at the same time. I considered them
functionally equivalent, so I sold the
I don't consider these substitutable. I mean, yeah, you can substitute a
Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently. If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd get
a Hilsen. I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious
consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne. The used Hilsen might be
fancier, I'll grant.
Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
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> Anyone looking to part with a 59cm
Hi Scott, sent you a PM regarding Dave's old bike, but my success rate on
those is about 50/50.
Please contact me at sameness at gee mail dot com if you want to talk
turkey?
Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA
On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:34:03 PM UTC-7, Scott McLain wrote:
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> I have one
Gotta hold off on this request at the current time. Thanks!
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I have one with three bottle mounts.
https://flic.kr/p/L5qzXE
I don't know if you would like the custom paint color. It is a 59. Would
consider selling. This bike used to belong to Dave at Riv.
Scott
On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 1:37:56 PM UTC-6, Eric wrote:
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> Bump...still looking for
Bump...still looking for a 59cm with three water bottle mounts.
Thanks!!!
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I've got a 59cm that I've considered selling. It doesn't have the 3 bottle
mounts though, only two. You could just add the twofish bottle mount..
On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 2:05:12 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
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> Still looking!
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Still looking!
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Here's one...
http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/bop/4981136753.html
(Not mine)
...and not sure if it has 3 bottle mounts.
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