On Thursday, October 11, 2012 7:39:42 PM UTC-4, grant wrote:
Visit nusi.org. We can guess, but they will discover.
I visited. The Board of Directors biographies are telling. Private Equity
+ Consulting + Pharmaceutical = drug development. Anybody want to bet
against that?
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The scientific board of advisors, the general advisory board and the board
of directors are all well educated credentialed people from a variety of
backgrounds. Seventeen people so far I mean who else would be
better a butcher, baker and candlestick maker? Perhaps these folks are
On Friday, October 12, 2012 9:38:00 AM UTC-4, charlie wrote:
The scientific board of advisors, the general advisory board and the board
of directors are all well educated credentialed people from a variety of
backgrounds.
I wish I could see the good in it, Charlie - I really do. but I
More data to confuse the issue: http://www.theawl.com/2012/10/the-sugar-wars
Note that the report refers to a debate more particularly on sugared
sodas, but it does show that the leading scientists are still very
uncertain about the fundamental causes of obesity *in our society*
(the latter is
On Friday, October 12, 2012 8:18:38 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
More data to confuse the issue:
http://www.theawl.com/2012/10/the-sugar-wars
Here is something interesting, this is from a Vegan site..although it
is found elsewhere and is common knowledge and historical fact.
Ummm just ate chicken and rainbow chard from our garden with a big green
saladnothing wrong with thinking critically. If NUSI merely does
the research and brings a drug to help fight obesity in the truly obese
then fine. A 500 pound man may benefit from something like that.if in
On Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:30:19 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
Don't be silly. Be reasonable. There are millions of people worldwide who
happily and healthily eat diets largely composed of carbs with few health
problems. Please don't be totalitarian.
Exactly. blaming carbs in the
Patrick is right, food and calories in general are an economy of scale,
where small decisions can add up to something huge down the road, whether
for the better or worse. And while I am a political person I really hate
to bring up politics or religion with people I don't know that well but I
have
Just for the record, I don't doubt the word of those who *have* benefited
from the so-called Primal diet. It just seems that there is overwhelming
evidence that it isn't necessary for very many people.
Peter and Patrick bring up and interesting point, that there may be more
going on with food
To be precise: I mean that there are (empirically) huge number of people
for whom it obviously isn't necessary. I don't presume to judge the
fraction of people for whom it isn't beneficial or for whom it is.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:42 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
It just
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_diet#Nutrition
The typical Inuit diet is high in protein and very high in fat – in
their traditional diets, Inuit consumed an average of 75% of their
daily energy intake from fat.[32]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit#Diet)
The footnote refers to this:
Visit nusi.org. We can guess, but they will discover.
On Sunday, October 7, 2012 11:08:18 PM UTC-7, Tim McNamara wrote:
The point of moderation is to prevent problems. Once you've already got
problems, it may be a different story. However, extremity in seeking weight
loss may not be a
If nothing else, I think we can all agree that people who eat low-carb diets
tend to look good riding lugged steel, especially if twine and feathers and
tweed are part of the ensemble.
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Thanks Grant..I was beginning to get discouraged in this thread and was
ready to abandon my efforts from the past year and a half and just go back
to eating carbohydrates again, gaining back all the fat I lost since it
obviously doesn't work. I figured I'd just count calories again and eat
I don't always eschew carbohydrates, I do look very good on my Rivendell!
…and, oh, umm, I wear a helmet... cause it holds my mirror.
-JimD
Come to think of it, we should talk about mirrors, those should generate some
heat and light along with incredible insights.
On Oct 11, 2012, at 6:12 PM,
Why does one mirror on a bike look ok but two makes a bike look like Pee
Wee Herman should be riding it, while all cars just come with two?
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:01 PM, jimD rasterd...@comcast.net wrote:
I don't always eschew carbohydrates, I do look very good on my Rivendell!
…and, oh,
I want to thank you Grant for bringing Gary Taubes' book and the idea
of low-carb diet into my world view. It has been life changing for me. I am
not taking statins today because of you Grant. I am 18lbs lighter than
before. My blood numbers are much improved. Maybe most importantly I have a
Zowie, woulda thunk it?
I could put two mirrors on my helmet - one right, one left. Would probably get
a head ache and end up cross eyed.
-JimD
On Oct 11, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
Why does one mirror on a bike look ok but two makes a bike look like Pee Wee
Herman should be
I don't disagree but without and actual change in what one eats (if trying
to lose fat) this doesn't work. I haven't stopped doing any of those
things heck we don't even have television...A holistic approach is
definitely important but the basic fact is about what and how much of it we
All good points but the issues I at least find in my life are bigger than
just wanting to change or doing things differently. Me and my wife get up
at 7 and dont get back home from work until 6:30, then we eat dinner with
our daughter, do homework and bed time. By then it is 8:30-9pm and everyone
the problem for alot of us is we are in a society that demands we work 50
hours a week and keep up a working family unit AND look great all the time
and just something has to give
+1
On 10 October 2012 10:04, Peter Morgano uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:
All good points but the issues I at
Good point, Peter. When you have demoralizing and therefore fatiguing
industrialized work that has been broken down into inevitably
dissatisfying unintelligible fragments -- true even of much white collar
work -- combined with an agressive search for efficiency-for-profit that
requires overwork
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:46:46 AM UTC-4, charlie wrote:
I don't disagree but without and actual change in what one eats (if trying
to lose fat) this doesn't work.
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 9:46:46 AM UTC-4, charlie wrote:
I don't disagree but without and actual change in what
I don't doubt Ernest was depressed and it is quite an achievement to lose
200 pounds (me only 90 total) and I don't doubt the mind, body, lifestyle
thing all have to work together.. I do believe however that eating
carbohydrates does drive your blood sugar up causing the yo yo effect
Oh by the way I had 90 lbs. to lose total and so far 30 of it isgone for
over a year and a half. Weight hasn't gone up but progress has stalled for
me due to the compromise that I mentioned earlier.some stressful family
situations haven't made it easier. For now I am happy to maintain where
Again, not to be annoying, this applies to some people and not for others.
Patrick Moore
iPhone
On Oct 10, 2012, at 9:12 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
I don't doubt Ernest was depressed and it is quite an achievement to lose 200
pounds (me only 90 total) and I don't doubt the mind,
Yes Patrick,
If you are a leaned out super stud with no health problems due to your
diet you may rest on the knowledge that you are invincible ; ) Ride on
brutha its all good.
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 8:25:16 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
Again, not to be annoying, this
Don't be silly. Be reasonable. There are millions of people worldwide who
happily and healthily eat diets largely composed of carbs with few health
problems. Please don't be totalitarian.
Patrick Moore
iPhone
On Oct 10, 2012, at 11:21 PM, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
Yes Patrick,
Thanks Charlie. I haven't read Grant's book, perhaps because after so many
years with the Reader I felt I didn't need to. Maybe I was wrong about
that.
I hadn't intended to reignite a debate about diet. I understand that some
people seem to do pretty well on a fairly high grain/ hi carb
Michael,
In the past I've specifically trained for specific atheletic endeavors such
as technical rock and ice climbing, marathon running, and olympic-style
weightlifting. In those days, training occurred at a high intensity, often
for hours on end, daily. In technical climbing and the sport
of
The DPT after my name is officially for doctor of physical therapy, but
in the real world it signified Damned Poor Typist.
this: . . . looked at 5 body fat of elite. . . should be . . . looked
at % body fat of elite. . .
Sheesh. . .
lyle
On 9 October 2012 07:11, Lyle Bogart
On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:36:23 PM UTC-4, franklyn wrote:
There is a whole community of people who were inspired by Bill Clinton's
weight loss based on a lifestyle and diet changes . ..
Bill Clinton aside, lifestyle is a very important part of the equation.
There's a lot of talk about
Get busy living or get busy dying.
On Tuesday, October 9, 2012 9:43:43 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:
On Monday, October 8, 2012 12:36:23 PM UTC-4, franklyn wrote:
There is a whole community of people who were inspired by Bill Clinton's
weight loss based on a lifestyle and diet changes .
The point of moderation is to prevent problems. Once you've already got
problems, it may be a different story. However, extremity in seeking weight
loss may not be a good plan either. I have known people who developed health
problems as a result of the Adkins plan, the primal type stuff, etc.
I have lots to say about this. I'll try to be concise.
Extreme is a loaded term, and may in fact be meaningless. For the
duration of the television age, at least, we've been advised by the
slickest marketers on earth to avoid the fat and cholesterol of eggs in
favor of the whole grain goodness
Well stated Jim and Grant, its where I was coming from more or less.I
hear the moderation suggestion all the time and like you Jim it just
doesn't work for me. I also believe some try to sabotage my efforts
subconsciously by offering up the moderation idea and frankly its a little
annoying
This is veering off into lala land. I think that we might agree on the
following:
1. Moderation! In our opinions.
2. It seems to be clear that Primal works for some people, at least for
some things -- maybe for all things, that is, maybe there are no down sides
to the benefits for these people,
On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 07:59 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
5. Let's leave evolution and cave men out of it. To explain Primal or
anything else by supposing we know what our distant ancestors did is
to attempt to explain the still-not-completely-known by the entirely
conjectural.
Bravo! Very
I think it was Taubes who said something to the effect of: if you're fat, it's
because of carbs. People who aren't fat are excluded by the first half of the
sentence, so all those rice-eating thin Chinese people need not apply. I've
never seen a fat person on the city bus snacking on bacon and
There was plenty of protein and fat in this diet:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me
Along with huge amounts of starch, of course. It would be interesting to
discover (1) the breakdown of starch/fat/protein/what else? and (2)
discover what made him gain 24 lb, starch only or fat too?
Forgot to include demographics close to home: Fat Hopi, Zuni, Navajo etc.
exquisitely inclined to diabetes after they left their traditional
squash/corn/ beans/game/mutton diets for refined carbs 'n' lard. (I've seen
families at the checkout counter with the standard 20 lb cloth bags of
bleached
The Supersize Me guy was remarkable for not only eating fast food for every
meal, but for eating an extraordinary quantity of it. It seems that he likely
consumed at least 500 cal of pure sugar or HFCS for every single meal. This is
in addition to the non-sugar carbs, protein, and fat.
My
Once upon a time, 20 years ago, I was a skinny 6', 145lb Marine... But after
learning how to eat everything I could get my hands on, then getting out of
constant activity and sitting on my duff for years of grad school, I found
myself 10 years ago tipping the scales at 280lbs... I went on a
There is a whole community of people who were inspired by Bill Clinton's
weight loss based on a lifestyle and diet changes expressed in the
documentary forks over knives and benefited from a switch to a HEALTHY
plant-based diet. I stress the word HEALTHY because based on my own
experience of
Forget the running unless you are doing short intense interval
sprints..better to lift weights if you want to lose fat. Perhaps a read
of Grants latest book will school you all on the subject. It really is a
good book and he touches in a basic way the principles for losing fat and
proper
Someone said: Patrick ( and Jim),
Tying your two thoughts together on alcohol: when I had the opportunity to
spend a week in Albuquerque this past summer, I was shocked at the quantity
of cheap liquor available even in WalMart there And noting the sizes of
those purchasers buying in quantity,
May I steal this phrase, and use it in my own conversations? It is brilliant!
On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:05 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
but wine is from heaven and must not be neglected.
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I was just now reading an essay about the life, works and influence of
Woodie Guthrie (here if you want it:
http://chronicle.com/article/Woody-Guthrie-at-100/134838/)
In a 1999 essay, Seeger recalled that his friend's view of copyright
was not exactly exclusive, and ran something like this:
] That Diet and Exercise thing again!
I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while
it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* --
key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of
agriculture -- ie, grains -- can't help
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I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while
it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* --
key to good
Subject: Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!
I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while
it may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* --
key to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of
agriculture -- ie, grains
Too much of anything is bad for you. Too many carbs, too much fat, too much
protein, too much water, too much alcohol, too much exercise, too much
laziness, too much stress, etc. Humans are omnivorous in many ways and can
thrive in an amazing variety of situations.
Moderation in all things,
Kind of agree and kind of don't...(for some) trying to lose fat,
moderation amounts to no progress. For those people it takes absolute
vigilance and resolve without any wavering to lose fat and maintain their
effort. Compromise just doesn't end well ultimately. Maybe for the average
person
This may be stretching the boundaries of the list mission, but we have
entertained a long discussion around Why We Get Fat, and if memory serves
me right, GP published an article in the Reader, which challenged the
wisdom of extreme forms of exercise, like the Iron Man competition. So...
I
I learned about Mark Sisson through Grant's writings. After looking into
it, it appeared to be a refinement of what I do nutritionally anyway (I
don't forego carbs to the extent that Sisson does--can't give up baking my
own bread!). I find that the closer I adhere to Sisson's points, the more
even
I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it
may well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key
to good metabolism, I can't help but think that 10,000 years of agriculture
-- ie, grains -- can't help but be natural to the human body (dig the
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I can't cite evidence except long-term and widespread custom, but while it may
well be true that effective insulin regulation is the -- or *a* -- key to good
metabolism, I can't
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I can't cite evidence except long
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