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Patrick, Permission granted. I will be keeping the gadgets turned off and only tracking time for a while. That's a new one for me. I'm usually data hungry. But, at least until I can build up some endurance again, I'm going to keep it simple and just try for a nice smooth motion, so as slow as

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Thanks, René. On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:47 AM, René Sterental wrote: > Hope you get better quickly! > > René > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

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Hope you get better quickly! René On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Jim Bronson wrote: > I am using 10 speed with an XD600 non-indexed which claims to be 8 speed, > and never had the chain fall between the sprockets except when sitting > still in the garage one time.

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I am using 10 speed with an XD600 non-indexed which claims to be 8 speed, and never had the chain fall between the sprockets except when sitting still in the garage one time. Never when riding. On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 08/26/2016 12:52

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>From the other thread, but about my AHH. On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 6:44 PM, René Sterental wrote: > How are you liking your Homer? Did you take care of the rattling? Have you > done more rides? Homer is nice, though I have not yet ridden again. I centered the fender, which

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Thanks, Edwin. The IQ-X headlight I installed had spades for attaching a tail light. I just wrapped those with electrical tape for now. I could add a dyno tail light in addition to the Varia. If you want to read more about the Varia rearview radar tail light, here is a review:

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 10:04 PM, Lungimsam wrote: > Also, if your front fender, fore of the fork crown is not attached to your > rack, then it might be rattling against your brake caliper arms. I think that was it. The fender is mounted aft the crown, but was touching

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That thing looks awesome. For the fenders: I like the daruma bolt from the bottom of the head tube setup best. I had never heard of the Varia light and am interested to read more, but if you have a dynamo Hub, I would say take advantage and have a rear light running off of that, too. Have

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If sumthins rattling, then sumpthins loose. Snug up all fender hardware. Also, if your front fender, fore of the fork crown is not attached to your rack, then it might be rattling against your brake caliper arms. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

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Here is a brief test ride report: It was an out and back totaling only two miles, mostly paved MUP with a bit of bumpy grass and starting and ending on gravel. Overall, it rode really well, though I will need a bit of time with it before I'm comfortable trying hands off riding. I only used the

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On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Lungimsam wrote: > I strongly recommend Sheldon Fender Nuts for the fender mounting. > I took a look at this item: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/fe82.htm I'm not sure if I need these. I already mounted the fenders behind the crown

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Here is the set of pics I have so far. https://flic.kr/s/aHskFYpr4N Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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I have a Roadeo with bar end shifters and Sugino Alpina2 crank and have no problems whatsoever with the 10-spd drivetrain (Ultegra 10-spd RD), but my other bikes have XD2/9-speed drivetrains and all bar end shifters. I love my bar end shifters! I never suspected that friction would be so easy.

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Tim Gavin wrote: > One consideration with bar-end shifters: they'll encourage you to ride in > the drops more. So, I recommend running the bars high enough for you to > ride in the drops comfortably. > I'm planning to start

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > You'd definitely better try down tube shifters before you wholeheartedly > commit to them > ... > Bar end shifters, on the other hand, are perfect for me; I love them. > The bike I had as a teen (early 1980s) had

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Steve: This is definitely the issue for me. High bars and short arms make dt shifters just about useless. And the only time I have "hit the knee" problems with bar-ends is on pullback bars like Albas..they're fine on drops. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

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I agree, I greatly prefer bar-ends to downtube shifters. None of the bikes I rode as a youth (went from a SS banana-seat bike to a cheap MTB) had downtubers, so I never acquired the knack. I have bar-ends on two of my bikes, and I find them easy to find and easy to use. One consideration with

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On 08/26/2016 12:04 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: I know there are older 3x10 combinations that could be made to work just fine. However, those same components may be much harder for RBW to source as brand new from their vendors. I might be able to locate new components that could work and

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On 08/26/2016 12:52 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: * 9-speed chain will NOT fall between chain rings of the Sugino crank - lowers the danger factor, always a good thing Has anybody here actually tried running a 10 speed chain on a Sugino XD-2 crank? I suspect this fear is greatly

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Tim, I love to be educated. So, thanks for that. Brian's description of why 9-speed was one of the longer paragraphs in his email to me. Here are some of the high points: * very, very low gear with the 24t chainring and 36t cassette - I might need that if I ever try to climb Mt. Baker some

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I think you'll be happy with bar-ends. It's a very natural "drop down and flick it" motion on drop bars that makes sense to my brain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

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I understand your reluctance to use an "off-label" setup if you're not 100% comfortable/knowledgable. But 3 x 10 bar-end shifters and downtube shifters are still in production, as are 9-speed MTB rear derailleurs (the M772 I mention is sold by Riv ).

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Tim Butterfield wrote: > I don't really mind them making the call on this. At least, that's what I > tell myself. :) > Maybe I should explain further. :) Some may remember way back near the start of the process, I made this comment:

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I know there are older 3x10 combinations that could be made to work just fine. However, those same components may be much harder for RBW to source as brand new from their vendors. I might be able to locate new components that could work and have them drop-shipped, however, I don't have the

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On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Bill M. wrote: > Just a side note - one thing I like about SRAM is that their road and > mountain parts play nicely with each other. > > Bill > Stockton, CA > Bill- That was true for 10-speed SRAM; both their road and MTB derailleurs used

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Larry, Thanks for the thoughts and recommendations. It was just a contemplation 280 messages ago when I first posted. Now, the AHH frame has been ordered and it's becoming a reality. The VO Rando was sold several years ago when I first moved into an RV full-time and I wasn't sure I wanted

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On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Lungimsam wrote: > 241 posts?!?!?!? I think this is a history making thread on this forum. > Never seen one longer. > The support and responses from the group have been absolutely incredible. I have learned a great deal and should end up

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I know I sound like a copy-cat but that's what I'm going with :) I'll tell you guys why: My favourite season is autumn when the leaves turn I have a metallic green A/R from 1997 , a harvest gold 2001 Riv road an orange 1993 X0-1 and now I'm adding a maroon Riv mixte in keeping with a

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Hi Ryan, The custom is a wine/maroon color. Looks horrible on paper but wonderful on a bike. Joe Bell knows his stuff. James Chang Taipei, Taiwan On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Ryan Fleming wrote: > Hi James > > That is a real beauty! What colour? > >

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I have had good luck with this bag: http://www.acornbags.com/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272 Holds repair kit, food, phone, rain shell and there is still some room to spare. I did a 200k with this bag and was never thinking I needed to be carrying more. On Tuesday, May 31, 2016

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Thanks, Doug. I'll include that in my research. Tim On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:17 PM, dougP wrote: > Tim: > > There have been several threads"what can you carry in your saddlebag?". > Check the archives. Plenty along the lines of "2 gallons of milk, dozen > bagels, 6

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Tim: There have been several threads"what can you carry in your saddlebag?". Check the archives. Plenty along the lines of "2 gallons of milk, dozen bagels, 6 oranges, etc." A Nitro R-14 supporting a large saddleback will carry a lot of groceries. Plus a lock, library books, maybe the laundry,

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Ha. :) No touring for me, so a medium might suffice. I'm not sure I want to be carrying 'luggage' on a regular basis. Do Samsonite or American Tourister make a saddlebag? :) Actually, I could probably get away with a small given how little I normally carry. But, then the wife mentioned

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On 05/31/2016 04:02 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: Steve/René, Thanks for that information. So, unloaded or lightly loaded on the front. It looks like for a single bag, I will be going with a saddlebag instead of a handlebar bag. The use of a saddlebag means I will also need to start with a

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Steve/René, Thanks for that information. So, unloaded or lightly loaded on the front. It looks like for a single bag, I will be going with a saddlebag instead of a handlebar bag. The use of a saddlebag means I will also need to start with a rear rack to keep the Garmin Varia rearview taillight

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On 05/31/2016 12:30 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: James, Nice looking bike. Your mention of and picture of the saddlebag reminds me of something I noticed when browsing the ahomerhilsen tag on flickr. It seems that when a Homer has only a single bag mounted, it is most likely to be a

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Hi James That is a real beauty! What colour? Ryan...trying to nail the colour for her custom mixte :) On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-5, James Chang wrote: > > The homer is just a great all around bike. Can be fast and can be plenty > stout for general riding. I've got a custom

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Scott, Thanks for all of that information. That is exactly what I want, a useful and versatile bike with a bit of zip. I don't worry about the weight of the bike. Further reducing my weight and improving my engine will help performance far more than reducing bike weight. Cheers. Tim On Mon,

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John, On consideration, there seem to be some trade-offs with this. With just a cover, it doesn't look 'special' enough to want to steal. It blends in with how some other bikes are kept at the RV park. If I get too fancy with a cover (frame, tarp, etc.), the apparent value increases as I am

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John, Thanks for clarifying. The difference is immaterial and doesn't affect the sentiment I expressed. Not having ridden either, I can still imagine a difference. :) Tim On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 2:14 PM, John Hawrylak wrote: > Tim > > Apologize for a poor choice of

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Tim Perhaps a tarp with eyelets and a few bungee cords to secure the tarp to the ground. Maybe 2 or 3 eyebolts driven in the ground to attach the bungees too. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 4:09:28 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote: > Joe, > Like you, I get upset when

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Tim Apologize for a poor choice of words, in 'thought'. The guy said the AHH rode better than the Sam, if only marginally, there was a difference. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 3:35:52 PM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield wrote: > John, > Thanks for relating that. Even a

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Ryan, Thanks for that info. I'll check with Riv about rust-proofing the frame. Maybe they can add some before they ship it to me to give it a good start. I also have some Boeshield T-9 from when I had a woodworking shop. When it comes time to renew it, I'll try to find that video. Thanks. Tim

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Hi Tim Inside storage is the best, but one thing to do if Riv does not already do this (and I believe they probably still do but you could discuss this with them) is to ask about rust-proofing your frame... and whatever they use (Boeshield, Frame-saver, etc...many good products out there)

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Patrick, That's a hoot. Thanks. Tim On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > And I am the opposite of Joe. I wash my bike by riding in the rain. If > that seems like it would also get it muddy again, it does. Rotating layers > of mud. Grin. My panniers are

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Joe, Like you, I get upset when my bike gets a mark. But, it is designed to be used and life happens. It is silly to worry about. I doubt I would ever wear out the frame. Anything else can be replaced. If it ever does get looking too marked up, I can always strip it and repaint. So, maybe 20

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And I am the opposite of Joe. I wash my bike by riding in the rain. If that seems like it would also get it muddy again, it does. Rotating layers of mud. Grin. My panniers are really looking forward to going bikepacking so they can get clean in an all night rain! Grin. With abandon, Patrick

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Brian/Patrick, Thanks for that. I like simple and have it already with a bike cover and lock. The cover doesn't go quite all of the way to the ground and it moves some in the wind. It's almost like it breaths, which may not be a good thing from Riv's perspective, especially with the salt air

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The RBW site is certainly wise to recommend inside storage, but Grant has also stated many times in relation to beausage and such (paraphrases): "Bicycles are outdoor products. You're going to scratch them and wear out parts." This is a thing I try to remember because I tend to be very OCD

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+1 for tarp and lock. Ain't nuttin' wrong with simple, and a lot right! Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:42:38 PM UTC-6, Brian Campbell wrote: > > A nice tarp and lock will suffice. I wouldn't worry too much about that > aspect of things. Interenet forums/ lists are

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A nice tarp and lock will suffice. I wouldn't worry too much about that aspect of things. Interenet forums/ lists are full of arm chair (and real) engineers. Half of the the fun of bikes for them is getting to solve problems that they create. With a tarp and a lock the bike will outlast most

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John, Thanks for relating that. Even a difference of only 'in my head,' real or imagined, is sufficient for me. I imagine, so it will probably be in my head also. :) Tim On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:27 PM, John Hawrylak wrote: > A while ago I spoke to a guy in the

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Lungimsam, Thanks for that info. But, what if you don't have an inside? I live full-time in an RV, which has very little interior space. I guess I could try to build a box to hold it to reduce air flow instead of using a cover. That would also make it a bit more secure. It would need to be

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A while ago I spoke to a guy in the White Clay Bicycle Club (Delaware) who had a AHH and a Sam. He was riding the Sam that day. He said he thought the AHH rode "better" than the Sam Just his opinion. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Monday, May 30, 2016 at 1:45:15 AM UTC-4, Tim Butterfield

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Joe, I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra. I still plan to get the Homer. I don't ever want to look back and wish I had. Thanks. Tim On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the

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I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money, I'm paying

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Will, Thanks for confirming the rack/bag combo. As for the Sam, I think I need to pull out a car analogy. I have owned both of these, so should be qualified to compare. For the person with their heart set on an Audi S4, the VW Jetta is a poor substitute. Both are made by VW and both can seat

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Bingo you keep the Ortlieb front bag and match with Tubus/Ortlieb rear. I still think you should go back to the drawing board and give strong consideration to a "complete" Sam. It might be cheaper from a financial POV, but it is not cheaper from a visual or functional POV. The builders in

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On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Surlyprof wrote: > You'll never regret a Mark's rack. So handy. I would second the > suggestions of the Tubus Evo and panniers. I have a Cosmo that I've moved > across three different bikes. It may be heavier duty than you want but it >

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John, Thanks for the width comment. I'll check with them on width if I go for the Compass. Tim On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 6:00 AM, John Hawrylak wrote: > Tim > > Just 1 comment on the handlebar WIDTH. You chosen 44cm. I went from a > 42cm rando type bar (38cm at the

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Tim Just 1 comment on the handlebar WIDTH. You chosen 44cm. I went from a 42cm rando type bar (38cm at the hoofs) to a 44cm Noodle (actually wider then 44) and did not like it as much. I felt too open regardless of hand position. Suggest considering or talking to Compass on width,

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Thanks, Avery. I'm looking forward to riding my Homer. On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Avery Wilson wrote: > I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone getting an A. Homer Hilsen and > regretting it. Hands down, it's just a fantastic road bike. It's certainly > the best

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I don't know if I've ever heard of anyone getting an A. Homer Hilsen and regretting it. Hands down, it's just a fantastic road bike. It's certainly the best I've ever ridden. My dad, a dedicated carbon-riding roadie has ridden it and conceded that it has a "magical" ride quality about it.

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I agree about brifters and triples. They...what's the word I'm looking for here...SUCK. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Chris, It's more of a drive than you think. From Anacortes, WA, getting Walnut Creek, CA is less than half the distance to Indy. Thanks for the offer, though. Tim On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Christopher Wiggins wrote: > Tim, I'll be honest I didn't read all the

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Justin, When I spoke with Dave earlier today, he mentioned Pauls now come in a bolt-on. Is there enough of a performance difference to get the Pauls insted of the Tektro R559? I like the mention of the Compass EL tires, especially the Barlow EL mentioned by Surlyprof. Thanks. Tim On Fri,

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Tim, That's an interesting take on 2x for brifters and 3x for bar-ends. I'll need to think on that for a while. I think right now that's what I'm the most undecided about. For wheels, I want good and serviceable, but don't want bling I have to keep polished to look okay. So, the mid-range

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Thanks, Phillip. I know Grant designed the San Marcos, but it's a Soma and, to me, not a real Riv that is currently sold at rivbike.com. For that requirement, I think the AHH is as good as I can get. Tim On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 6:36 AM, Philip Kim wrote: > I've owned a

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 10:47 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote: > Tim, > Lots of great info. Thanks. If I go with bar ends, I was thinking of > running the cable along the bar, existing the tape vertically through a > notch in the inside of the brake hoods. That may keep

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Zach, I agree. The responses on this thread have been wonderful, including your response. I may be a bit further along than at the beginning. After all, I've been thinking of a Riv for many years. I think I have the bike choice narrowed to just the AHH, mostly thanks to the comments on this

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John, I would ride roads more than trails. Currently, my riding is all paved except for a few hundreds yards. Half of that is grass, the other half gravel. There are some trails I would like to ride, but I would be riding pavement to get to them. For handlebar position, I think I want a drop

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masmojo, You echo some of my sentiments on this. I don’t want something just for today or even this year. Part of that is the desire to be mentally invested in my choices as I mentioned to Patrick instead of letting Grant or someone else at Riv pick it for me, as wonderful as that result might

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Patrick, Hi. It’s been a while since we chatted on the Minimal list. I see you’re still enjoying your Riv and have added another to the stable. That’s great. I think it was a comment you had made quite a while back. I came across it while searching the group and it made me think of the

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Brian, Thanks for that info. I think the possibility of maybe wanting a rack in future may rule out the Roadeo. I don't know that I'll want racks, but it's certainly possible. So, I think this narrows down my choice to the AHH. Yeah. One more decision done. :) Thanks. Tim On Thu, May 26,

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Shoji, I did take a look at those, quite a bit actually. I haven’t moved on the Roadeo for a couple of reasons. They show the PBH for that one goes up to 82, while my PBH is 83.8. I also had not yet decided on a Roadeo over a AHH. The blue 55cm Sam would fit, but I excluded it also, at least

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On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Belopsky wrote: > As to wear issues or weather, I wouldn't want to leave an AHH outside for > long for many reasons...One of the reasons I sold my Hillborne was because > I was commuting to work and it was too pretty to lock up, and

RE: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

It´s always good to go to the well, in the Riv catalogue 2006 Grant writes: “Our traditionally shaped drop bar for those who for some reason or other aren´t as head-over-heels in love with the Nitto Noodle Bars as we are. It´s a traditional shape, with no super-flattish ramp (it´s 23

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

So on the Dream bars, the top part near the stem does not bend back slightly, but the drops are about the same as the Noodles? On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 3:28 PM, olofst...@gmail.com wrote: I´d just send a warning to believe that you like the Noodle bar if you like the Dream bar. They may look

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

no , it doesn't and I believe the drop is deeper. I have them on my road and have to admit I don't spend a lot of time down on the drops...mostly on the hoods...and thank you TRP for that or on the tops On Thursday, April 30, 2015 at 4:48:18 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: So on the Dream bars,

RE: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv Custom mixte - (or any Riv mixte) anyone ride Moustaches or Noodles on theirs?

I´d just send a warning to believe that you like the Noodle bar if you like the Dream bar. They may look alike but behave very differently. I have now three Dreams and enjoy them very much. Tried a Noodle and had to sell it since it was murder to my wrists, the bend on the top destroyed