Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Haha! Bill, that’s a killer hack and I’m gonna try it! Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 6:08 AM Bill Lindsay wrote: > > In the argument above I bet money that my zip ties would be intact for a > long time. They are still rock solid for what it’s worth. I also zip tie basket to my racks. Sadly haven’t found them to work in perpetuity, it does eventually

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Trying to paste a link in iPhone. We’ll see if this works https://flic.kr/p/qXXDbM PM me if you like Bill Lindsay El Cerrito Ca In the argument above I bet money that my zip ties would be intact for a long time. They are still rock solid for what it’s worth. -- You received this message

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I saw reference to Bill Lindsay’s “chopped” Wald basket in this thread, however the links and Flickr images don’t seem to take me anywhere in 2018. Bill, or anyone else, can you repost some pics of this setup? My partner’s new bike doesn’t have much room for a basket between her hoods and I’d

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Just to resurrect the zip tie thread: the current BQ has a nice story of a ride from Cholula to Mexico City featuring a Firefly "Enduro All Road". Beautiful photos of Mexico, and nice studio photos of the Firefly bike-- featuring five or so black zip ties. This being a $8,900 bike (complete

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I'll bet they won't deteriorate from UV... On 06/09/2016 04:27 PM, Jeff Lesperance wrote: What's the opinion on stainless still ties? Inline image 1 I picked up a packet of these at the big box hardware store and used 'em to attach stuff to my bike, but not a basket, yet. -- You received

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

What's the opinion on stainless still ties? [image: Inline image 1] I picked up a packet of these at the big box hardware store and used 'em to attach stuff to my bike, but not a basket, yet. On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Anton insisted on

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Anton insisted on prolonging the rhetorical exercise with: "If you extend my reasoning to Wald baskets, most often there is another way besides zip-ties to ensure a sturdy connection." If your alternative is wire wrapping, then: Your solution costs more than zipties (but we're first worlders

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Actually, The glue workaround is something I enthusiastically endorse *when* there is no better method available for a particular bike. If a bike were built for wiring, I would not endorse gluing the wires. The glue is the most elegant solution I can think of when there is no better way.

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I'm a complicated guy, what can I say... On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 2:53:06 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote: > > Anti zip tie, but oddly the idea of gluing wires is somehow appealing!? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Anti zip tie, but oddly the idea of gluing wires is somehow appealing!? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I am pro glue and anti zip tie, when it comes to wires on a bike. I am pro zip tie when it comes to attaching a Wald basket to a Nitto rack. I do realize that I probably best represent what is wrong with this country today;-) On Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 1:41:23 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Even though I ignore Anton's disapproval, I celebrate his approval. ;-) Just for perspective, Anton can cringe when he sees a ziptie on a nice bike if he wants to cringe. On the other hand, Anton enthusiastically endorses the inventive and discreetly executed method of gluing wire guides

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Thank God. ;-) On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 1:42:39 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I have one bike that has a VeloLumino sitcker on it. That bike features > two ingenious VeloLumino products. That bike has no zip ties on it. > > >>> -- You received this message because you are

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Bob asked: "How often do you (or would you) actually lay eyes on the zip ties (rhyme intended)? If they're visible it means the basket isn't being used much, which in turn could mean that the basket might not be necessary at all" Twice per ride if the basket is being used. Continuously if the

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I have one bike that has a VeloLumino sitcker on it. That bike features two ingenious VeloLumino products. That bike has no zip ties on it. On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 5:57:07 AM UTC-7, Anton Tutter wrote: > > I put stickers on my fenders and don't consider them in the same aesthetic >

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Anybody with the fastidiousness necessary to build the lights and do the wiring you do is obviously not in the same bumper sticker league as the average schlubby bear. In other words, I hereby disqualify your tasteful, nicely centered, small little sticker. Nice try though. On Wednesday, June

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Anton, lets not go off on a tangent here, there's a huge difference between one or a few stickers tastefully applied and a whole bunch of them randomly covering almost every available space. I recall somewhere a picture of someone's orange Cheviot (Keven ?) Literally, plastered with stickers,

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Just thought I'd throw in my experience. I've been using zip ties to secure front baskets to front racks on my bikes for a number of years because one time I bought 400 zip ties at the hardware store, and I'd really like to use them all before I kick the bucket. I don't usually put anything

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I agree with Bill here on all counts: 1. Personal preference for/against zip ties is what it is--personal. 2. The possibility of more than one zip tie failing at a time is extremely unlikely, therefore making the safety argument more or less null and void. Aesthetics is the root here. And so,

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I put stickers on my fenders and don't consider them in the same aesthetic vein as zip ties at all. Anton On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 10:44:48 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: > The fact that the owner wraps his bikes in string

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

One definition of modern, industrialized humans (somewhere along the trajectory down). On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 1:10:49 AM UTC-4, Evan E. wrote: > > Evan overthinking zip ties Elliot in San Francisco, CA > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

My Wald basket (from Riv) is attached to my Soma rack with zip ties. Four of them are black and stout. Four of them are white and of medium heft. They've been there for nine months. I commute five days a week and park my bike outdoors, albeit in the shade. I can neither see nor feel any

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Not sure how "trashed out" zip ties really are, visually speaking. Two examples: First, I used a couple green "fence ties" on my Kuwahara, to keep my Baggins from moving too much on the rack. I zipped it, and was about to trim, when I noticed it hit the tire in such a way as to remind me of

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Dremel be damned. A hammer, my good man, and an expensive axe. > > Finally... a good reason to buy a Gransfors Bruk hatchet think they are useful for removing zip ties too? -- You received this message because you

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

There's nothing wrong with feeling that way. No doubt there are plenty of people who think putting a $20 Wald Basket on a $200 Nitto Rack that's mounted on a $3000 Rivendell bicycle is similarly 'trashing it out'. Trash is in the eye of the beholder. On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 2:55:26 PM

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Another option for zip ties may be to use metal. Something like this may work: http://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Steel-Cable-Ties-pieces/dp/B00666CYS8 After getting it snugged, you can use the Dremel to cut off the extra or to cut the tie for removal. If going that route, it may be wise to put a

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

LOL, thanks for having my back there Steve! It really matters little what the zip ties actually cost, if they were gold plated they would still look bogged together. And my comments are not focused on any particular individual, just everyone out there on the interwebs. JMHO, but if I am riding

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Dremel be damned. A hammer, my good man, and an expensive axe. On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Well played. You missed the opportunity to add "The only cheap hacks > permitted on Rivendells are done with a dremel!" > > ;-) > > On Tuesday, June 7, 2016

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Well played. You missed the opportunity to add "The only cheap hacks permitted on Rivendells are done with a dremel!" ;-) On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 1:50:47 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: > > To hell with zip ties! I disapprove of baskets on Rivendells! > > Patrick Moore, with a large lump in

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

To hell with zip ties! I disapprove of baskets on Rivendells! Patrick Moore, with a large lump in his left cheek. (But I would *never* put a wire basket on one of my Rivendells.) On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 12:34 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: >

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I guess it's my experience delivering newspapers for several years via bike-and-Wald-basket that informs my opinion. I cringe when I see those little bitty racks supporting a basket that extends 12" on either side of the support foundation. My suspicion is that Wald would never endorse

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Cross-posted with Anton's ziptastrophe story. Still, not a catastrophic failure of the full zip tie system. On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 4:03:05 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > So far I am aware of zero accidents caused by catastrophic zip-tie > failures. Any anecdotal evidence out there on

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

So far I am aware of zero accidents caused by catastrophic zip-tie failures. Any anecdotal evidence out there on RBW? Whereas there is evidence of a carbon fork or two breaking bad. For zips to work as an attachment device for something like a basket to a rack, you need a minimum of four

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Without question, I enthusiastically and emphatically recommend that IF you use zipties to mount your Wald Basket to your solid bicycle rack, that you should use several of them (like 8 or so). If any one of them breaks for any reason whatsoever, please please replace them all. If one failed,

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

On 06/07/2016 03:48 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Anton reported: "Years ago, I attached a Wald basket with whatever zip-ties I had laying around. Some of them cracked within a year. Some time after that, I saw the packaging they had come in, laying in a bin in my workshop, and sure enough, it

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Anton reported: "Years ago, I attached a Wald basket with whatever zip-ties I had laying around. Some of them cracked within a year. Some time after that, I saw the packaging they had come in, laying in a bin in my workshop, and sure enough, it said for indoor use only." That is a perfectly

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Anton I get that, and I accept that you weren't telling people what to do, but only strongly recommending. It does surprise me, coming from you, just from a rational perspective. I feel like if I told you I had invented a method to mount a basket to a rack that cost nothing, weighed nothing,

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

And another thing about zip-ties, Bill, is that although you may be well literate in the differing standards that zip-ties may be manufactured to, the average consumer may not be. There are thousands of flavors of zip-ties, some great for attaching Wals baskets, some completely inappropriate,

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

How to choose the right cable tie? /*UV and weather resistant cable ties*// //All polymers including polyamides (nylons) used for the production of cable ties are sensitive to UV radiation. The most common additive used for protecting polyamides from UV radiation is carbon

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Bill, You interpreted my post ("please, please don't use zip-ties") as being directed toward you since you posted about using zip-ties, when in fact it was directed at the original poster, who is/was (maybe not now after this debate?) asking about a Wald basket for his daughter's bike. The

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Since they last for >20 years on the roof, I trust they will outlive me on a bike that will spend 99% of it's life indoors. I promise if one of the 8 fails for any reason, I will let the group know. If they failed with anything like the regularity you seem to suspect, I would stop using them.

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Riv specifically states that you need to use a bunch of zip-ties on a basket. I think the odds of enough of them failing at the same time to cause basket spillage are very low unless you're bombing down a ski run at Northstar with a basketed Rivbike. Don't do that. -- You received this

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Bill, I think the issue is that *because they deteriorate with exposure to the elements* and *because a failure of a loaded rack or basket could conceivably land you in deep kimshie,* zip ties which may be *perfectly satisfactory for a quick temporary expedient solution* may be *an

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

masmojo I had a feeling you didn't mean it. I think it's great to hand out approval liberally. It's the disapproval that you should be really careful with. If you meant it as a joke, I accept that. I agree that my Joe Appaloosa was very expensive and 8 zipties are very inexpensive. I

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Will Thanks for that response. I use 8 zipties to attach my basket to my rack. If one of them failed, I'd see it. It's right there in front of my face. It would take all 8 failing to fall off my rack. I'm not worried about it, but I do pay attention to it. If one breaks and I replace it,

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Yeah, people use zip ties for all kinds of things and I continue to condone that practice ( oh crap I did it again!). Actually, Bill I used that language intentionally, because I thought it humorous. As if my condoning anything meant squat to anybody which I am sure it doesn't! My sense of

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I'm late to this thread, and quite amused by it. It has the ring of many of my political discussions with opposite-party friends on Twitter. "I respectfully disagree in spite of how wrong you are how are the kids good day sir." ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I dunno Bill... and I've always wondered why Riv advocates zip-ties on baskets. They are so dead set that carbon forks are bad because of the safety thing. It seems to me that if your zip ties fail and you dump a basket of stuff into your wheel, or your basket connection fails and that

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Wow, who knew Wald basket attachment methods could be so passionately debated. This is the most exciting part of my day so far! Bill, I don't think anyone commented with the idea of seriously telling you what to do. I think it's just a way of writing or talking about a position somebody might

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Masmojo, You are entitled to not-use zipties whenever you choose to not-use them. To paraphrase Yogi Berra: "If people don't want to use zipties, nobody's going to stop them". Link to original Yogi Berra quote The place you

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I retract that comment. Steve makes several truthful, honest and objective observations about Rivendell Bicycles. He makes them repeatedly. I don't know which one is his favorite. I don't even know which one he recounts most often. In my view, his top 5 most common truthful and accurate,

RE: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

screw up. Paul in Dallas Original message From: Paul <truegol...@att.net> Date: 6/7/2016 10:27 AM (GMT-06:00) To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??) I have the large Wald basket from Rivbike tied to my rea

Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

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Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

I think Grant must have stock in a Zip Tie manufacturer somewhere... Anton On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 10:22:21 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote: > > Additionally, if others hadn't noticed and I don't think they really > highlight it, but I think the difference between the baskets that Rivendell >

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Additionally, if others hadn't noticed and I don't think they really highlight it, but I think the difference between the baskets that Rivendell has & the normal Wald baskets is the Rivendell ones are just the basket, no handlebar loops or struts. -- You received this message because you

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Two things First zip ties are brilliant & were it a situation of putting the basket on for several weeks or months even & taking it off again I would fully endorse and condone using them, BUT if it's a basket that'll be on there for 5 years! NO! And I don't think there's anything Rivendellish

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

What's Steve's favorite Riv-bashing subject? Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Bill Lindsay > wrote: Steve retorted: "No, a thousand times no, that is absolutely not right. How bloody expensive is a fender eyelet or rack mount

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

EPIC bluff-call, Anton! I gratefully accept your gift of that fine Mercian.and true to my word I humbly offer it back to you. Bill -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Always love seeing that Mercian Anton. David > On Jun 6, 2016, at 9:52 PM, Anton Tutter > wrote: > > Oh boy. > > > > > > On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bill

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Nothing boring about that bad boy. On 06/06/2016 09:52 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Oh boy. On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: Confession time. I'm a snob about British Racing Green. I

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Oh boy. On Monday, June 6, 2016 at 6:00:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > > Confession time. I'm a snob about British Racing Green. I think BRG is > the most overused, ugly and mind numbingly boring color possible for

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

On 06/06/2016 07:42 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Steve retorted: "No, a thousand times no, that is absolutely not right. How bloody expensive is a fender eyelet or rack mount fitting? Come on - that stuff isn't expensive at all. But a bicycle meant to take fenders and racks should have

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Steve recommended: "And apropos of the day, you might want to listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-weBUzQleo " For those who don't like clicking links, Steve's link was to a recording of the radio message FDR delivered to the American people on the morning after Operation

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Steve retorted: "No, a thousand times no, that is absolutely not right. How bloody expensive is a fender eyelet or rack mount fitting? Come on - that stuff isn't expensive at all. But a bicycle meant to take fenders and racks should have fender eyelets and rack mounts. Period. This has

Re: Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

Steve My Wald basket is affixed to my Nitto Front rack with 8 orange zip ties. I'll bet you $100 that in 5 years, it will still be there. If I deliberately remove the rack just because I feel like it, I pay you $100. If I sell the bike and/or the rack and/or the basket, I pay you $100. If

Zip ties (WAS Re: [RBW] Re: Wald Basket??)

On 06/06/2016 04:46 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Zipties are freaking awesome. I'll stop using zipties when I stop appreciating all inexpensive, elegant, reliable, ingenious inventions. And they are so very Rivendell. But, some might say they have no place on an elegant, expensive bicycle,