[RBW] Bay Area paint job recommendations?

[Jared Volpe]

Any suggestions for a paint job in the Bay Area?

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Studded Tires for 650b wheels?

[lungimsam]

 Been reading about studded tires.
 Sounds like you must swap out wheels/tires for dry days, or have a second 
 bike with studded tires on them only for snow/ice days.
  

Reads like studs don't do well on dry pavement.
 
But I bet they are really great on ice. probably life savers.
 
Do they do the job well?

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area paint job recommendations?

[Joe Bernard]

DD in (I think) San Leandro. They (well, he) paint most of Riv's 
production bikes. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Studded Tires for 650b wheels?

[Patrick in VT]

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:26:10 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
Sounds like you must swap out wheels/tires for dry days, or have a second 
bike with studded tires on them only for snow/ice days.

Studded tires are fine on dry pavement, they just ride like bricks and have 
a lot of rolling resistance.  but that tends to matter little in the winter 
slop.  if you live anywhere that has real, variable winter weather for a 
few months, there's no point in taking them off - it could be dry on the 
morning commute, but the evening commute could be a sheet of ice.  and just 
because the main roads are dry doesn't mean that road shoulders, secondary 
roads, MUPs are in good shape.  there might only be 15 yards of ice on a 5 
mile commute, but the traction on those 15 yards is well worth a bit of 
extra rolling resistance.  it's not all that different than studded tires 
on a car.

As for how studs handle ice, I like Peter White's analogy of walking on ice 
that's been lightly sanded.  it's kind of like that.  but i rely on my 
experience, bike handling skills and common sense way more than my tires 
for winter riding.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: What should I do with my slightly-too-small bike?

[PATRICK MOORE]

From the photos it doesn't look too small: there is the canonical one fist
of seatpost, for example. Does it not feel right? If not, I'd say (again,
judging from the photos) that it is the right size and simply needs to be
refitted properly.

As for use, only you can decide what you want. But I can say from bitter
personal experience that wants change; I've jettisoned many things
including a few bikes thinking I'd never again want them, only to discover
in a couple of years that, whoops! those were bad decisions. (Eric, no, I
don't regret selling the Motobecane. I do regret selling my 1989 Falcon and
my '95 Riv custom, AND my Monocog 29er and a few others.)

If I were you, I'd hang it up for a couple of years. If at the end of that
time I still had no use for it, I'd sell it to someone who does want it.

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Will waller.will...@gmail.com wrote:

 Get a longer stem. And/Or a setback seatpost. Get a couple of decent racks
 for light touring. KEEP THAT BIKE.

 On Friday, October 12, 2012 7:30:23 PM UTC-5, Karl Fundenberger wrote:

 My 59cm Rivendell Road Standard, I have finally decided, is too small for
 me. It has been a fabulous bike for me; but it is what it is — a road bike,
 when really, I've wanted a touring bike.

 Here are some photos, with the newest toward the bottom:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**fundenphoto/sets/**72157625044930434/http://www.flickr.com/photos/fundenphoto/sets/72157625044930434/

 It is currently running Rivendell's 609mm rims, with the (approx. 34mm)
 Schwalbe tires. I put these on when I discovered the bike wouldn't clear
 anything wider than a 700x28 tire.

 I have my eyes on the Velo-Orange Campeur - which I'm thinking I may
 build up from a frame. Any proceeds from the Riv sale would be funneled
 toward the VO build.

 I see my Rivendell options as follows:

 - Sell the complete bike as it is built. (plus the original 700c wheels)
 - Cannibalize the parts for the Campeur project; sell the Riv frame.
 - Hang some or all of it up in the attic.

 What do you think?

 Of course, it would be nice to partially fund the next project... but
 perhaps it would be better to keep the Rivendell? What am I overlooking?



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[RBW] Re: lights

[pam]

I have the MiNewt 600.  I tried a Cateye then the Princeton EOS but neither 
were bright enough.  Oddly, since I ride in semi lit areas, the dimmer 
lights did nothing and I needed a brighter light to see where I'm going. 
 It's the contrast of bright soccer field lights but I'm on the path that's 
not lit and I couldn't see.  If it's pitch black, dimmer lights are ok but 
if you have semi light then I actually need a brighter light to make any 
difference.  You won't be disappointed with a really bright light and you 
can ride anytime.  600 lumens on high w/1 1/2 hr run time; 400 lumens on 
med w/3 hrs run time; 275 lumens on low w/4 1/2 hrs run time; total charge 
time is 4 1/2 hrs; no wires to run; USB rechargeable.

Lezyne makes a pretty bright one but not as bright but nicer looking.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:

  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
 (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
 but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
 touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
 models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
 experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
 Don
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[PATRICK MOORE]

Leslie: different people have different eyes with different needs -- I for
example have very bad night vision, explained by an ophthalmologist as the
result of small pupils -- but many have claimed that very bright but
unfocused lights can actually be counterproductive. I mentioned before my
experience with an early HID system that was as bright, at least, as a car
headlight: it was too bright close-up which made its distant beam much less
effective. I found, even with my poor night vision, that less bright lights
actually let me see better on an unlit bike path.

I have no experience riding off road with very powerful lights; some say
that this is where they shine (so to speak).

That said, there is some merit to blindingly powerful lights when you ride
atr night in the face of oncoming traffic, whose headlights tend to
overwhelm all but the brightest bike lights. That said, in my own riding
environment, there are only a couple of places where this is a real bother,
and this is where I ride on a bike path adjacent to heavy traffic moving in
the opposite direction. On other routes where I ride on the same side as
auto traffic, thus separated from oncoming traffic by a lane, I don't have
this problem -- this is the reason for auto low beams.

The best lamps I've used are focused beam German ones like the Edeluxe and
Cyo, but even much inferior lamps have worked, such as a pair of 50 lumen
EOSes (this was some 8 years ago, when the EOS claimed 50 lumens each).

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:39 AM, pam pamelamurra...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have the MiNewt 600.  I tried a Cateye then the Princeton EOS but
 neither were bright enough.  Oddly, since I ride in semi lit areas, the
 dimmer lights did nothing and I needed a brighter light to see where I'm
 going.  It's the contrast of bright soccer field lights but I'm on the path
 that's not lit and I couldn't see.  If it's pitch black, dimmer lights are
 ok but if you have semi light then I actually need a brighter light to make
 any difference.  You won't be disappointed with a really bright light and
 you can ride anytime.  600 lumens on high w/1 1/2 hr run time; 400 lumens
 on med w/3 hrs run time; 275 lumens on low w/4 1/2 hrs run time; total
 charge time is 4 1/2 hrs; no wires to run; USB rechargeable.

 Lezyne makes a pretty bright one but not as bright but nicer looking.

 On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:

  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
 (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
 but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
 touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
 models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
 experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
 Don

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Studded Tires for 650b wheels?

[Zack]

Yep, I concur with Patrick on pretty much everything he said about studded 
tires.

They are fine on dry pavement.  I actually also happen to live in Vermont, 
and, last winter, there were probably only a few days I really 'needed' the 
studs for the entire ride, but there are also little patches on every ride 
which were a tiny bit icy.  I was also really happy last spring when I took 
them off and put regular tires back on, the bike felt so much better.

One thing I learned quickly was I would forget that I didn't have studs on 
my shoes, and would put my feet down and slip (which can be 
painful/disastrous with a big riv between your legs lol).  But the natural 
consequences helped me remember not to do that after a time or two.  

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[RBW] Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

Japanese, original fancy lugs, prescratched...this must have sat in the 
rafters for many years. My size, too. Yikes..I just bought a NIB Saluki. 
Somebody buy this quick so I don't have to!
 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0030.htm
 
Joe yes, we have no money Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Bay Area paint job recommendations?

[Phil Brown]

Ed Litton.

On Oct 16, 11:03 pm, Jared Volpe jaredvo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Any suggestions for a paint job in the Bay Area?

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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Rick]

Just curious - is that the list differentiating Atlantis and Atlantis
2:

 - Old lugs, old crown, no mid-fork braze-ons, no kickstand plate.



On Oct 17, 11:55 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Japanese, original fancy lugs, prescratched...this must have sat in the
 rafters for many years. My size, too. Yikes..I just bought a NIB Saluki.
 Somebody buy this quick so I don't have to!

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0030.htm

 Joe yes, we have no money Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Studded Tires for 650b wheels?

[BykMor]

I wholeheartedly third what Patrick in VT and Zack just said.

I put studded tires on my cyclomuter right before the first freeze, take 
them off right after the last and FORGET about them in between. The key is 
to forget about them and not let people shame you in to thinking you're 
doing something silly. (This is assuming you live someplace you would 
consider using them.) It'd be like wondering why you rode to work in the 
morning with a light on your bike even though you 'expected' to ride home 
while it was still light.

Get decent tires with carbide tipped studs.

Don't think of them as resistance training, but just know that you'll be so 
strong come spring.

Cheers,
BykMor

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 1:26:10 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 Been reading about studded tires.
 Sounds like you must swap out wheels/tires for dry days, or have a second 
 bike with studded tires on them only for snow/ice days.
  

 Reads like studs don't do well on dry pavement.
  
 But I bet they are really great on ice. probably life savers.
  
 Do they do the job well?


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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

Nope, they all have the 2 on the seattube. It's a vague reference to the 
fact there was once a Bridgestone Atlantis. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:20:51 AM UTC-7, Rick wrote:

 Just curious - is that the list differentiating Atlantis and Atlantis 
 2: 

  - Old lugs, old crown, no mid-fork braze-ons, no kickstand plate. 



 On Oct 17, 11:55 am, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Japanese, original fancy lugs, prescratched...this must have sat in the 
  rafters for many years. My size, too. Yikes..I just bought a NIB Saluki. 
  Somebody buy this quick so I don't have to! 
  
  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0030.htm 
  
  Joe yes, we have no money Bernard 
  Vallejo, CA. 


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Re: [RBW] Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Dan Abelson]

My size too and a good price. Don't think I can justify this, especially
with a AHH and a Surly Troll. An Atlantis seems to overlap with these.

Please someone buy it.

Dan Abelson
On Oct 17, 2012 10:55 AM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Japanese, original fancy lugs, prescratched...this must have sat in the
 rafters for many years. My size, too. Yikes..I just bought a NIB Saluki.
 Somebody buy this quick so I don't have to!

 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0030.htm

 Joe yes, we have no money Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

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RE: [RBW] Re: lights

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have a Lezyne battery light (rechargeable) on my Mystery Bike, and it's 
absolutely terrific.  I think the model is Super Drive something or other - 400 
or 500 lumens, can't remember, but it's very bright and is a wonderful 
complement to a dynamo light (I have a Supernova on that bike), and I suspect 
would be great as a standalone light as well.   As Pam notes, it's not the 
prettiest light, but it's really excellent on functionality.

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Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 10:40 AM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: lights

I have the MiNewt 600.  I tried a Cateye then the Princeton EOS but neither 
were bright enough.  Oddly, since I ride in semi lit areas, the dimmer lights 
did nothing and I needed a brighter light to see where I'm going.  It's the 
contrast of bright soccer field lights but I'm on the path that's not lit and I 
couldn't see.  If it's pitch black, dimmer lights are ok but if you have semi 
light then I actually need a brighter light to make any difference.  You won't 
be disappointed with a really bright light and you can ride anytime.  600 
lumens on high w/1 1/2 hr run time; 400 lumens on med w/3 hrs run time; 275 
lumens on low w/4 1/2 hrs run time; total charge time is 4 1/2 hrs; no wires to 
run; USB rechargeable.

Lezyne makes a pretty bright one but not as bright but nicer looking.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:


I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights (front 
and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding but would 
like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while touring. I am 
thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, models, 
placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the experience 
of others will be a big help. Thanks
Don




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[RBW] Re: What should I do with my slightly-too-small bike?

[Karl Fundenberger]

With everyone's input, I think I will put the Riv back in fighting trim - 
that is to say, 700c wheels again, no fenders - and keep it as a road bike 
for now. In the meantime, I'll still be dreaming about touring bikes with 
short top tubes, and I may pass on my 609 wheels or rims to the next person 
who'd like to experiment with them. Thank you all so much for your comments.

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Re: [RBW] My new 65 Homer.

[Marcus80]

Here are some pics:   http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcus80/

On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:30:56 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 Ride the heck out of it, then in a couple of years treat yourself to a 
 custom paint job!

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:59 PM, David Verrinder 
 dverr...@gmail.comjavascript:
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 I had a similar experience buying and building my Hillborne.  My advice? 
  Revel in the look!  It is a sign of solid, comfortable cycling unknown to 
 those who plagiarized the racing look without even knowing it.

 David


 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Marcus80 marc...@aol.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 Jeez, I really sweat the details on this bike, my first new bike since a 
 1997 Indy Fab Deluxe. I poured over every write up, pic and mention I could 
 find both before, during and after the order. It was all handled by Keven, 
 who was great to talk to. It took 8 or 9 weeks, start to finish, so I had a 
 lot of time to second guess every single thing. I went with noodles, and I 
 really like them, but I still want albatross bars, too. So anyway, I get 
 this thing, pull it out of the box, put it together and add the rest of the 
 small stuff I had envisioned for it, and VOILA!, it looks just like 
 everyone else's Rivendell. I fear that I have super saturated my brain with 
 Rivendell oriented images, and where once I could easily pick out the 
 subtleties of other builds, the entirety of it all, sitting here staring 
 back at me, I almost feel like I plagarized the whole look. I feel like 
 an imposter. Don't get me wrong, I think that it's gorgeous...I don't 
 know..maybe its just to damned clean.and there is a solution to 
 that. Ive been riding the same bike for so long, I almost feel like I'm 
 cheating on it. If you see me out there, (Boston area) and think that I 
 stole your look, I probably didsorry

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[RBW] WTB: 60cm Quickbeam

[sancruz]

Hey Riv owners, I'm desperately in search of a 60cm Quickbeam, and open to 
any of the models (green, orange or silver).  Last week my wife and I made 
the trip to Walnut Creek and were just blown away by the quality of the 
products and friendly staff, and I now know it's time to finally own one!  

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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Bleriot plus extras

[Brent]

  Justin - 

   I just joined after finally figuring out the kind of bike I like is 
no longer made! I am selling my old Italian road bike so if your Bleriot is 
still for sale and it works out in time I would definitely be very 
interested. I hope to sell it soon of course.


  Brent Avery
  Vancouver, B.C., Canada


On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 3:02:29 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Made an impulse buy so this has gotta go ASAP!

 57cm Bleriot F/F/HS
 Paint is very good. Normal use scrapes on dropouts and drive side chain 
 stay. Small, hardly noticeable ding in top tube. Can't get it to show up on 
 camera!
 Tange headset
 Truvativ 113mm bb, sealed bearing. Almost 0 miles. 
 Berthoud 40mm fenders. Good condition but drilled for mudflaps already! 
 Stay classy. 
 Dia-Compe center pulls. The long ones that Riv sold. Plus Kool Stop Salmon 
 pads. 
 Vintage (90s) Deore LX derailleur
 Dura-Ace front derailleur
 Shimano bar end shifters with pods n stops. 
 Nitto Dynamic 10cm stem
 Nitto 45 randonneur bars
 Col de la vie tires
 Shimano brake levers
 Cheapie Miyata crankset with chain guard (no added cost!)


 You'd need:
 Seatpost
 Cables
 Chain
 Wheel set
 Chain
 Cassette
 Tubes

 And some elbow grease and you'd be rolling!

 In Philly. 800 local for the package. Package only!

 800 + real shipping. 

 Can't ship until my impulse purchase SimpleOne gets here! That will be 
 before ictober 11th I've been told. 

 Email me off list!

 -Justin



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Re: [RBW] Anyone use a bike horn? Please recommend.

[Daniel]

I like the Airzound for the same reasons. It's fairly unintrusive to the 
bike, especially if you have a 3rd waterbottle mount.
 
Daniel
Yorba Linda, CA

On Monday, October 15, 2012 8:43:46 PM UTC-7, Kerry Kunsman wrote:


 You may not like them, but an air horn is exactly what I use, and 
 have for quite a number of years.  Mine is the Airzound, by Delta 
 http://deltacycle.com/Airzound-Bike-Horn.  I've been a bike 
 commuter for the past 18 years and find the horn quite handy if I 
 think someone on a side street is not paying attention, or starts 
 moving to the right while I'm beside them.  I fill it up every couple 
 of weeks.  I don't have to use it much; if you do you may be doing 
 something wrong. :-) 

 BTW, I have the horn mounted behind a 'bar tube' type bar bag on my 
 mustache bars and it's barely noticeable.  And I have been able to 
 tuck the air bottle between the chainstays and rear fender for a 
 neater installation.  You can't do that with a racer, but you might 
 be able to do that with a Riv, or Rivish bike. 

 Kerry Kunsman 
 San Diego, CA 


 At 07:51 PM 10/15/2012, lungimsam wrote: 
 I am looking for something LOUD to grab motorists attention. 
 After getting broadsided last week, I am really paranoid about 
 waiting traffic not seeing me as they enter roadway when I am coming 
 down the main thoroughfare. 
 Don't wanna get hit again. 
  
 Was wondering what you all use. 
  
 I have seen the airhorns, but they take up so much space and ugly up the 
 bike. 



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[RBW] FS - 60cm Velo Orange Polyvalent - Excellent Condition

[Gary Ferguson]

I have a Velo Orange Polyvalent MK II that I am putting up for sale.  A 
nice low trail, 650b all around bike.  This bike has been well taken care 
of and is ready to ride.  I will professionally box the bike and ship with 
a tracking number via UPS.  I am asking $1150 shipped.  Here are some specs 
and history. 

 

Pictures - 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88812572@N06/sets/72157631792205201/with/8097354527/

 

Frame geo and info - 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/frames/polyvalent/polyvalent-mkii.html

 

- No saddle or pedals included.

- 60cm VO Polyvalent MK II frame and fork.  The frame is about 1 yr old and 
has seen about 1000 miles.

- The wheels are brand new, and hand built, zero miles.  Tiagra hubs on 
Velocity Synergy rims.  DT 2.0 spokes on the front and drive side, and 1.8 
on the rear non-drive side.  Brass nipples.   

- Tires are Panaracer Col de la vie.  They measure about 36mm wide.  The 
tires are in OK shape, and have seen about 1000 miles.  

- Honjo fenders are still functional and look good, but have been drilled 
more than once for different bikes.  This leaves some extra holes.  The 
front has been trimmed to keep from hitting branches or rocks, and a 
mudflap added to keep the same protection.  

- Campagnolo Veloce compact crank.  50/34 rings still in great shape.

- 11-34 9spd shimano cassette.  Still in great shape.

- Newer Sram 951 chain with no measurable wear. 

- Ultegra rear derailleur.

- Shimano FD-4503 front derailleur.

- VO sealed headset.

- Nitto dirt drop 26.0 stem with about 2” of adjustment up or down from 
where it is at in the pictures.  

- Nitto 48cm noodle bar.

- Tektro brake levers and Tektro Onyx brakes with newer Koolstop salmon 
pads. 

- Aluminum laprade-style seatpost. 

- Shimano barend shifters.  They only work in friction mode.  

- Greenfield kickstand.

- Fitted with brand new cables and housing, and bartape.

- Weighs about 26.5lbs without pedals.  

 

 

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RE: RE: [RBW] Re: Marginally OT

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Joan:

Thanks!  Did you see on Flickr that I broke down and gave my son Hank (you met 
him in College Park) the SimpleOne?  His company has made provisions for inside 
storage, so he's off and running on daily 5 mile (one way) commute.  Love to 
get together for a ride sometime when I'm down there visiting with Hank.  And 
you need to get signed up for Riv Rally East!

Tom

From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [RBW] Re: Marginally OT

Tom - congratulations!  That is an amazing bike, and an amazing experience (we 
talked about it a little when you visited for Grant's visit).  Very impressive. 
 It must be thrilling to ride a bike you made yourself.  Thanks for all the 
different angle pictures
Joan
PS - I share your enthusiasm for Hetres.  Got my first flat in over 2 
years/3,000 miles about 2 weeks ago.  Their versatility is outstanding.


On 10/16/12, Allingham II, Thomas Jthomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:

It was fantastic.  Mike is a great teacher, and a master builder, and a great 
guy, too.  I wasn't particularly gifted at welding, but he walks you carefully 
through the process, and it's a fair statement to say that I built the frame 
(with indispensable help from Mike).  A couple of times when I burned through a 
tube at the joint, he simply saddles up the torch and repairs the hole so it 
barely showed, and was invisible (to me, anyway) after filing.   It's truly a 
soup to nuts experience - in the A.N.T Bike and Camp set on my stream, you can 
see a pic of the pile of tubes that became my bike, and a lot of pics of steps 
along the way.

The cost is high ($3,000 for the week, including great lunches!), but in my 
mind totally worth it, and if you want to keep building, Mike is extremely 
generous with post-class support.  And, of course, you end up with your very 
own custom A.N.T. bike!

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Marginally OT

It's beautiful.

Would love to hear more about the experience of building the frame too!

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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Bleriot plus extras

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Hey there Brent - 

Welcome to the group!

Just so you know the lineage - the Bleriot was a simplified version of the 
Saluki.   The Saluki was combined into the 650B/584 tire size end of the A. 
Homer Hilsen range, so those models are essentially the same as the 
Bleriot.  

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hilsen.htm

The 52 cm version of the Sam Hillborne would also use the set wheelsize, 
and be reasonably similar in approach.  

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

Bleriots do show up from time to time used, of course. There is a history 
page here:
http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/

Hope that helps a bit!

- Jim / cyclofiend.com



On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, Brent wrote:

   Justin - 

I just joined after finally figuring out the kind of bike I like is 
 no longer made! I am selling my old Italian road bike so if your Bleriot is 
 still for sale and it works out in time I would definitely be very 
 interested. I hope to sell it soon of course.


   Brent Avery
   Vancouver, B.C., Canada


 On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 3:02:29 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Made an impulse buy so this has gotta go ASAP!

 57cm Bleriot F/F/HS
 Paint is very good. Normal use scrapes on dropouts and drive side chain 
 stay. Small, hardly noticeable ding in top tube. Can't get it to show up on 
 camera!
 Tange headset
 Truvativ 113mm bb, sealed bearing. Almost 0 miles. 
 Berthoud 40mm fenders. Good condition but drilled for mudflaps already! 
 Stay classy. 
 Dia-Compe center pulls. The long ones that Riv sold. Plus Kool Stop 
 Salmon pads. 
 Vintage (90s) Deore LX derailleur
 Dura-Ace front derailleur
 Shimano bar end shifters with pods n stops. 
 Nitto Dynamic 10cm stem
 Nitto 45 randonneur bars
 Col de la vie tires
 Shimano brake levers
 Cheapie Miyata crankset with chain guard (no added cost!)


 You'd need:
 Seatpost
 Cables
 Chain
 Wheel set
 Chain
 Cassette
 Tubes

 And some elbow grease and you'd be rolling!

 In Philly. 800 local for the package. Package only!

 800 + real shipping. 

 Can't ship until my impulse purchase SimpleOne gets here! That will be 
 before ictober 11th I've been told. 

 Email me off list!

 -Justin



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Re: [RBW] Re: FSA Metropolis 2-Speed Interal-Geared Crankset

[Philip Williamson]

Bobby - I don't know. I think I'd just sit on the seat and take my feet off 
the pedals, brake, and shift back into the harder gear in order to slow the 
pedals down enough to re-engage. The scenario is frailin' down a hill in 
top gear, then dropping (accidentally) into low gear, right?

Philip
www.biketinker.com

On Monday, October 15, 2012 4:50:45 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Philip:

 I'm curious... When you're flying along at a pretty good clip (in 3rd 
 gear, fixie mode) and you're wheel is spinning at, say 120+ rpm, and you 
 downshift to second gear, does your cadence abruptly accelerate to the 
 point of wanting to toss you over the bars, or is it relatively smooth?  I 
 would think that might put an awful strain on the internal gearing... 
 What's it like?  (I submitted a question to Sam Patterson, developer of the 
 Metropolis crankset, asking whether I can ride it in fixie mode... haven't 
 received his reply yet.)

 BB



 On Monday, October 15, 2012 7:13:49 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 I have an S3X wheel that's about to go back into service. I like it. You 
 can also slide two splined cogs on for a dingle setup on the 3sp fixed IGH. 
 Conceivably you could have a low range and a high range. I had that setup, 
 but changed out the cranks before I actually used the low gear range. 

 Thanks for reminding me, I think I may set that up this time around 
 again. I may be in the market for an inexpensive double crankset, then...

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


 On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:25:49 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 I haven't tried the S3X yet, but it sure looks like a cool idea.  I run 
 a flip-flop hub, so with the Metropolis I can have a choice of FW or Fixed 
 (pretty much on-demand), as long as I carry my 15mm wrench for the rear 
 wheel nut.

 Eric, you can slightly feel the gears working in high gear (a kind of 
 ratchety feel; not necessarily fragile, but... different). I still have an 
 innate fear of destroying the innerds of my IG hubs... something I probably 
 need to get over... I haven't really stomped on the pedals yet. FSA 
 warrants the crankset for 2 years, but apparently not for mountain bike 
 use. (Don't know whether it's due to the extra gunk or extra stress). Only 
 time will tell.

 BB

 On Monday, October 15, 2012 12:18:45 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Forgot to add as usual: you can thread either a fixed cog or a 
 freewheel onto the hub driver, so it also gives you a choice. 

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:17 AM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
  What's wrong with this? 
 http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/3/id/47 
  
  On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Colin Bortner colin@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
  Awesome! 
  
  If the FSA doesn't work out fixed, but you fall in love with the 
 idea 
  of a two-speed fixed-gear, Schlumpf's cranks were redesigned a few 
  years ago to be fixed-gear compatible: 
  http://www.haberstock-mobility.com/en/products/schlumpf-drive.html 
  
  Overview Schlumpf-for-fixed from German Bedovelo: 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeVme8Bmgc 
  
  Looking forward to updates on the Metropolis! 
  
  
  On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
  montcla...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Yes, I'm seriously considering it... although I wonder whether it 
 would 
  trash the internals... (but in the name of science, I feel it's my 
  obligation to try...)  BB 
  
  
  On Monday, October 15, 2012 9:02:08 AM UTC-4, David Spranger wrote: 
  
  Nice! I got two speeds out of my SimpleOne by using a SRAM 
 Automatix 2 
  speed hub with which I have been very satisfied at approximately 
 6000 mostly 
  commuting miles. Your solution has one distinct advantage in that 
 you could 
  do a two speed fixed gear if you wished. 
  
  David 
  Charlotte, NC 
  
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[RBW] Re: Bay Area paint job recommendations?

[Corwin]

I recommend Maas Brothers Powder Coating in Livermore:

http://www.maasbrothersinc.com/

They did a fantastic job on my frame (lots of smoke damage, melted paint, 
etc.) and only charged me $150.


Corwin

On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 11:03:07 PM UTC-7, Jared Volpe wrote:

 Any suggestions for a paint job in the Bay Area?

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[RBW] FS: various wheels

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have lots of wheels that I'm not using anymore. All are handbuilt by me. 
Please contact offlist if interested.

White Industries Eccentric ENO fix/free 135 mm 36h on Dyad rim, Wheelsmith 
14g spokes, all silver. Used but good condition. $195 shipped. Includes 
White Industries 15t fixed cog and lockring. I have other White Industries 
fixed cogs for it, too, which I will sell separately. These cogs are 
beautifully made and a proprietary design, which is, IMO, the most smartly 
designed fixed-cog attachment system available.

Schmidt SON28 (classic style) 36h on Dyad. All silver. The rim is 
somewhat worn on the brake surface, but is perfectly true and has a fair 
bit of life left in it. $195 shipped. Matching front to the ENO wheel above.

Shimano XT M775 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim and hub are 
black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 mm disc 
rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. This is one of the lighter-weight 
metal 29 rear wheels you'll find. $170 shipped

Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim and 
hub are black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 mm 
disc rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. $170 shipped. Matches the XT 
wheel above. Discount of $30 if you buy the set.

Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h on 26 Alex Adventurer. Hub is black. Rim 
is black with machined sidewall. Silver Wheelsmith 14g spokes. Used, but 
barely. $160 shipped.

Shimano Deore front hub 36h radially laced to Velocity Aerohead 700C 28h. 
Unorthodox 36h/28h hub/rim pairing, but works fine. All silver. Like new. A 
very lightweight front wheel. $100 shipped.

Shimano XM M775 36h laced to Sun Ringle EQ31 26 disc-only rim. This is a 
heavy-duty rear wheel suitable for loaded touring or other abusive 
practices. Includes SRAM 990 11-32 cassette and disc rotor. Used, but good 
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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[dougP]

Whew1 At that price, a little beausage is easily overlooked.  With 
inflation, that's less than I paid in 2003.

dougP

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:55:48 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Japanese, original fancy lugs, prescratched...this must have sat in the 
 rafters for many years. My size, too. Yikes..I just bought a NIB Saluki. 
 Somebody buy this quick so I don't have to!
  
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0030.htm
  
 Joe yes, we have no money Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.


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[RBW] Re: Bill Walton's bike

[Marc Irwin]

honest to goodness, that man needs real 28 inch wheels!

marc

On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 6:03:27 PM UTC-4, Aaron Thomas wrote:

 As pictured outside my 
 LBShttp://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/526012_10151515133681729_1153346723_n.jpg.
  
 Get that man a second top tube!

 His head tube is probably as long as my seat tube...


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[RBW] Homer Inspired Custom

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

A buddy of mine is making the leap from building bikes for someone else to 
building them under his own name. I jumped at the opportunity to be his 
first paying customer. When he asked to see the bike that fits me best, I 
of course brought out my 65 AHH. A few reference measurements were made but 
the new bike is not a copy. It's designed around 50mm tires, disc brakes, 
and lower trail. The under tube is an ode to a tan colored 2TT beach 
cruiser I had 20 years ago. Also, like that old beach cruiser, this new 
bike will be tig welded. I love the lugs and cream windows on my Homer but 
sometimes I feel like it's just too fancy to lock up and walk away in 
various parts of town. Tig welded plain-ness for anonymity.   

There's not a whole lot to look at yet, but I thought other's might be 
interested to watch it come together... Pics 
herehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeforvictory/sets/72157631718055369/. 
Also maybe of interest is that if you scroll back far enough in the linked 
photo-stream there are some interesting bikes built under another (perhaps 
familiar) name.  

Full report when it's rideable. 

--Andy

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[RBW] Re: FS: 57cm Bleriot plus extras

[justinaugust]

Sadly it's been sold!

-J

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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Mojo]

Whip. Thank goodness that does not fit me. It's a deal.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Jim Mather]

There's one in your size too: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0026.htm

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Marginally OT

[René Sterental]

Fantastic project! Congratulations on your new creation.

René

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012, Allingham II, Thomas J wrote:

  Joan:

 ** **

 Thanks!  Did you see on Flickr that I broke down and gave my son Hank (you
 met him in College Park) the SimpleOne?  His company has made provisions
 for inside storage, so he’s off and running on daily 5 mile (one way)
 commute.  Love to get together for a ride sometime when I’m down there
 visiting with Hank.  And you need to get signed up for Riv Rally East!

 ** **

 Tom

 ** **

 *From:* rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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 Tom - congratulations!  That is an amazing bike, and an amazing experience
 (we talked about it a little when you visited for Grant's visit).  Very
 impressive.  It must be thrilling to ride a bike you made yourself.  Thanks
 for all the different angle pictures

 Joan 

 PS - I share your enthusiasm for Hetres.  Got my first flat in over 2
 years/3,000 miles about 2 weeks ago.  Their versatility is outstanding.  *
 ***

  

  

 On 10/16/12, Allingham II, Thomas Jthomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote:**
 **

  

 It was fantastic.  Mike is a great teacher, and a master builder, and a
 great guy, too.  I wasn’t particularly gifted at welding, but he walks you
 carefully through the process, and it’s a fair statement to say that I
 built the frame (with indispensable help from Mike).  A couple of times
 when I burned through a tube at the joint, he simply saddles up the torch
 and repairs the hole so it barely showed, and was invisible (to me, anyway)
 after filing.   It’s truly a soup to nuts experience – in the A.N.T Bike
 and Camp set on my stream, you can see a pic of the pile of tubes that
 became my bike, and a lot of pics of steps along the way.

  

 The cost is high ($3,000 for the week, including great lunches!), but in
 my mind totally worth it, and if you want to keep building, Mike is
 extremely generous with post-class support.  And, of course, you end up
 with your very own custom A.N.T. bike!

  

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 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:36 AM
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 It's beautiful.

  

 Would love to hear more about the experience of building the frame too!***
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Re: [RBW] Homer Inspired Custom

[PATRICK MOORE]

That wonderful crown *and* disk brakes? My kind of bike! Please share
complete frameset and build.

Non Rivish question: what tubing?

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt 54ca...@gmail.com wrote:
 A buddy of mine is making the leap from building bikes for someone else to
 building them under his own name. I jumped at the opportunity to be his
 first paying customer. When he asked to see the bike that fits me best, I of
 course brought out my 65 AHH. A few reference measurements were made but the
 new bike is not a copy. It's designed around 50mm tires, disc brakes, and
 lower trail. The under tube is an ode to a tan colored 2TT beach cruiser I
 had 20 years ago. Also, like that old beach cruiser, this new bike will be
 tig welded. I love the lugs and cream windows on my Homer but sometimes I
 feel like it's just too fancy to lock up and walk away in various parts of
 town. Tig welded plain-ness for anonymity.

 There's not a whole lot to look at yet, but I thought other's might be
 interested to watch it come together... Pics here. Also maybe of interest is
 that if you scroll back far enough in the linked photo-stream there are some
 interesting bikes built under another (perhaps familiar) name.

 Full report when it's rideable.

 --Andy

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Re: [RBW] Anyone use a bike horn? Please recommend.

[Rex Kerr]

I had an AirZound, but stopped using it after a short time.  I felt that I
was using it too much and becoming more aggressive.  I also found, as
alluded to by Mike, that there's often not time to deal with the horn, it's
better to just be visible and react to the hazard.  IME, If you see it and
have time to honk, you also have time to respond.  For the same reason I
don't think I've ever used the horn on my car either.

The AirZound sat in my parts box for about 10 years until the
hose disintegrated and I threw it out.

Whatever you do, please don't use it on pedestrians!

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Daniel datadatadan...@gmail.com wrote:

 I like the Airzound for the same reasons. It's fairly unintrusive to the
 bike, especially if you have a 3rd waterbottle mount.

 Daniel
 Yorba Linda, CA

 On Monday, October 15, 2012 8:43:46 PM UTC-7, Kerry Kunsman wrote:


 You may not like them, but an air horn is exactly what I use, and
 have for quite a number of years.  Mine is the Airzound, by Delta
 http://deltacycle.com/**Airzound-Bike-Hornhttp://deltacycle.com/Airzound-Bike-Horn.
  I've been a bike
 commuter for the past 18 years and find the horn quite handy if I
 think someone on a side street is not paying attention, or starts
 moving to the right while I'm beside them.  I fill it up every couple
 of weeks.  I don't have to use it much; if you do you may be doing
 something wrong. :-)

 BTW, I have the horn mounted behind a 'bar tube' type bar bag on my
 mustache bars and it's barely noticeable.  And I have been able to
 tuck the air bottle between the chainstays and rear fender for a
 neater installation.  You can't do that with a racer, but you might
 be able to do that with a Riv, or Rivish bike.

 Kerry Kunsman
 San Diego, CA


 At 07:51 PM 10/15/2012, lungimsam wrote:
 I am looking for something LOUD to grab motorists attention.
 After getting broadsided last week, I am really paranoid about
 waiting traffic not seeing me as they enter roadway when I am coming
 down the main thoroughfare.
 Don't wanna get hit again.
 
 Was wondering what you all use.
 
 I have seen the airhorns, but they take up so much space and ugly up the
 bike.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

A low price, and prescratched so I don't have to worry about causing the 
first one (I'm gonna be unbearable about it with my Saluki). Love the name, 
the color, the headbadge...hey, who wants to buy a '94 MB-1 with very nice 
period upgrades, and an immaculate polished-aluminum '95 Marin MTB!!? :)
 
Joe Everything must go!! Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
 

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 There's one in your size too: 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0026.htm
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Phew, it's gone and my marriage is safe.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] My new 65 Homer.

[Peter Morgano]

No offense intended but looking over the buildup it is amazing so methinks
I smell the humble brag at work here. Paul Brakes, Phil hub, SON 28
generator, Giles bag, Tubus Rack. Every part of this bike is top shelf all
the way. Anyone who knows bikes will admire this build and not have a
thought that it isnt unique enough.  I mean you have nearly color matched
zip ties!! :)
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Marcus80 marcu...@aol.com wrote:

 Here are some pics:   http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcus80/


 On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:30:56 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 Ride the heck out of it, then in a couple of years treat yourself to a
 custom paint job!

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:59 PM, David Verrinder dverr...@gmail.comwrote:

 I had a similar experience buying and building my Hillborne.  My advice?
  Revel in the look!  It is a sign of solid, comfortable cycling unknown to
 those who plagiarized the racing look without even knowing it.

 David


 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Marcus80 marc...@aol.com wrote:

 Jeez, I really sweat the details on this bike, my first new bike since
 a 1997 Indy Fab Deluxe. I poured over every write up, pic and mention I
 could find both before, during and after the order. It was all handled by
 Keven, who was great to talk to. It took 8 or 9 weeks, start to finish, so
 I had a lot of time to second guess every single thing. I went with
 noodles, and I really like them, but I still want albatross bars, too. So
 anyway, I get this thing, pull it out of the box, put it together and add
 the rest of the small stuff I had envisioned for it, and VOILA!, it looks
 just like everyone else's Rivendell. I fear that I have super saturated my
 brain with Rivendell oriented images, and where once I could easily pick
 out the subtleties of other builds, the entirety of it all, sitting here
 staring back at me, I almost feel like I plagarized the whole look. I
 feel like an imposter. Don't get me wrong, I think that it's
 gorgeous...I don't know..maybe its just to damned clean.and
 there is a solution to that. Ive been riding the same bike for so long, I
 almost feel like I'm cheating on it. If you see me out there, (Boston area)
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Re: [RBW] Anyone use a bike horn? Please recommend.

[PATRICK MOORE]

I used the Zounds for a couple of years when I commuted W-E and return
across town on one of ABQ's busiest boulevards (Central from Atrisco
10 miles to a mile or so east of Eubank). I found it as useful as a
car horn: true, if you can honk, you can react, but that leaves out
one big benefit of horns bicycle and automobile, to wit, **to express
your indignation**. And this country is all about free expression,
right? (I assume that one expresses his indignation only when such
expression is reasonable.)

Seriously -- all kidding aside -- I think that a loud blast of horn
may well have a beneficial effect on someone who, cluelessly or simply
by miscalculation, is infringing dangerously on a cyclist's rights.
For example, a motorist about to pull out unsafely from a rider's
right, simply because he or she is unable to process the cyclist's
approaching speed and because the driver is simply not used to having
to accomodate cyclists.

That said, I gave up on mine because it was too bulky, flimsy, and
because I kept forgetting to keep the pressure up. It finally decayed
in my parts box.

I did use it once against (the word deliberately chosen) pedestrians:
on the bike path, some adolescent boys ignored my shouts, bell,
screams, all well in advance of our conjunction, continuing to
horseplay across the full width of the path. I finally gave them a
blast and was pleased to see them very quickly wake up and jump to
safety.



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 I had an AirZound, but stopped using it after a short time.  I felt that I
 was using it too much and becoming more aggressive.  I also found, as
 alluded to by Mike, that there's often not time to deal with the horn, it's
 better to just be visible and react to the hazard.  IME, If you see it and
 have time to honk, you also have time to respond.  For the same reason I
 don't think I've ever used the horn on my car either.

 The AirZound sat in my parts box for about 10 years until the hose
 disintegrated and I threw it out.

 Whatever you do, please don't use it on pedestrians!


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Re: [RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

Phew! Single, but the credit card doesn't need any more hits right now..
 
Joe

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:28:47 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[lungimsam]

 That Atlantis was gone like yesterday's dreams...


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Re: [RBW] My new 65 Homer.

[Joe Bernard]

Hmm..I see your point, Peter. My Saluki has some top-shelf stuff awaiting 
it, too. But no worries..I'll be braggin' like a fool!
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:36:52 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 No offense intended but looking over the buildup it is amazing so methinks 
 I smell the humble brag at work here. Paul Brakes, Phil hub, SON 28 
 generator, Giles bag, Tubus Rack. Every part of this bike is top shelf all 
 the way. Anyone who knows bikes will admire this build and not have a 
 thought that it isnt unique enough.  I mean you have nearly color matched 
 zip ties!! :)
 On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Marcus80 marc...@aol.com 
 javascript:wrote:

 Here are some pics:   http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcus80/


 On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:30:56 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 Ride the heck out of it, then in a couple of years treat yourself to a 
 custom paint job!

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:59 PM, David Verrinder dverr...@gmail.comwrote:

 I had a similar experience buying and building my Hillborne. 
  My advice?  Revel in the look!  It is a sign of solid, comfortable 
 cycling 
 unknown to those who plagiarized the racing look without even knowing it.

 David


 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Marcus80 marc...@aol.com wrote:

  Jeez, I really sweat the details on this bike, my first new bike 
 since a 1997 Indy Fab Deluxe. I poured over every write up, pic and 
 mention 
 I could find both before, during and after the order. It was all handled 
 by 
 Keven, who was great to talk to. It took 8 or 9 weeks, start to finish, 
 so 
 I had a lot of time to second guess every single thing. I went with 
 noodles, and I really like them, but I still want albatross bars, too. So 
 anyway, I get this thing, pull it out of the box, put it together and add 
 the rest of the small stuff I had envisioned for it, and VOILA!, it looks 
 just like everyone else's Rivendell. I fear that I have super saturated 
 my 
 brain with Rivendell oriented images, and where once I could easily pick 
 out the subtleties of other builds, the entirety of it all, sitting here 
 staring back at me, I almost feel like I plagarized the whole look. I 
 feel like an imposter. Don't get me wrong, I think that it's 
 gorgeous...I don't know..maybe its just to damned clean.and 
 there is a solution to that. Ive been riding the same bike for so long, I 
 almost feel like I'm cheating on it. If you see me out there, (Boston 
 area) 
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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[lungimsam]

That Atlantis was tooked...

  


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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[lungimsam]

 That's not 'cho Atlantis...!


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[RBW] Re: Old Atlantis at Rivendell

[lungimsam]

 That Atlantis was gone so fast; they're gonna have to put a number 3 on 
 the next one's seat tube!


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Re: [RBW] My new 65 Homer.

[Peter Morgano]

That's what I like to hear!
On Oct 17, 2012 6:59 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm..I see your point, Peter. My Saluki has some top-shelf stuff awaiting
 it, too. But no worries..I'll be braggin' like a fool!

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:36:52 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 No offense intended but looking over the buildup it is amazing so
 methinks I smell the humble brag at work here. Paul Brakes, Phil hub, SON
 28 generator, Giles bag, Tubus Rack. Every part of this bike is top shelf
 all the way. Anyone who knows bikes will admire this build and not have a
 thought that it isnt unique enough.  I mean you have nearly color matched
 zip ties!! :)
 On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Marcus80 marc...@aol.com wrote:

 Here are some pics:   
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/**marcus80/http://www.flickr.com/photos/marcus80/


 On Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:30:56 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 Ride the heck out of it, then in a couple of years treat yourself to a
 custom paint job!

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:59 PM, David Verrinder dverr...@gmail.comwrote:

 I had a similar experience buying and building my Hillborne.
  My advice?  Revel in the look!  It is a sign of solid, comfortable 
 cycling
 unknown to those who plagiarized the racing look without even knowing it.

 David


 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Marcus80 marc...@aol.com wrote:

  Jeez, I really sweat the details on this bike, my first new bike
 since a 1997 Indy Fab Deluxe. I poured over every write up, pic and 
 mention
 I could find both before, during and after the order. It was all handled 
 by
 Keven, who was great to talk to. It took 8 or 9 weeks, start to finish, 
 so
 I had a lot of time to second guess every single thing. I went with
 noodles, and I really like them, but I still want albatross bars, too. So
 anyway, I get this thing, pull it out of the box, put it together and add
 the rest of the small stuff I had envisioned for it, and VOILA!, it looks
 just like everyone else's Rivendell. I fear that I have super saturated 
 my
 brain with Rivendell oriented images, and where once I could easily pick
 out the subtleties of other builds, the entirety of it all, sitting here
 staring back at me, I almost feel like I plagarized the whole look. I
 feel like an imposter. Don't get me wrong, I think that it's
 gorgeous...I don't know..maybe its just to damned clean.and
 there is a solution to that. Ive been riding the same bike for so long, I
 almost feel like I'm cheating on it. If you see me out there, (Boston 
 area)
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[RBW] Re: My new 65 Homer.

[lungimsam]

 There is some *serious* money in that bike. That's right -  I italicized, 
 emboldened, *and* underlined the word serious.
 Good idea on the locking skewers. That is a beautiful ride.


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[RBW] What's up with the Homer blue?

[lungimsam]

Seems like alot of pics have different shades of blue for the Homers. Have 
they changed periodically? Some look Robin's egg blue. Some darker.

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[RBW] Re: What's up with the Homer blue?

[lungimsam]

 Looky here. maybe lighting differences?
  

 
https://www.google.com/search?q=homer+hilsenhl=enprmd=imvnsotbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=zjt_UI_yDcT30gHuloGICAved=0CCMQsAQbiw=1252bih=586

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[RBW] Re: What's up with the Homer blue?

[Joe Bernard]

You're seeing two diffrerent colors. The current model has a light blue, 
similar to what was almost the standard color on the original Riv Road back 
in the day. Older Homers were a darker blue. Grant has stated that the 
shade may change from time to time, but AHH will always come stock with 
blue.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:15:13 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 Looky here. maybe lighting differences?
  

  
 https://www.google.com/search?q=homer+hilsenhl=enprmd=imvnsotbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=zjt_UI_yDcT30gHuloGICAved=0CCMQsAQbiw=1252bih=586


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Re: [RBW] Re: What's up with the Homer blue?

[James Warren]

The original blue is my favorite blue on a bike. Subtly different from the Ram blue, but so much better.

Blues that are almost as good as the original AHH blue:

The current Sam Blue
The 1990 MB-2 Blue


-Original Message- From: Joe Bernard Sent: Oct 17, 2012 4:19 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: What's up with the Homer blue? 
You're seeing two diffrerent colors. The current model has a light blue, similar to what was almost the standard color on the original Riv Road back in the day. Older Homers were a darker blue. Grant has stated that the shade may change from time to time, but AHH will always come stock with blue.

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:15:13 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:


Looky here. maybe lighting differences?

https://www.google.com/search?q=homer+hilsenhl=enprmd=imvnsotbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=zjt_UI_yDcT30gHuloGICAved=0CCMQsAQbiw=1252bih=586
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Re: RE: [RBW] Re: Marginally OT

[ascpgh]

Riv Rally East '13? Time  to plan!!

This might be the motivation I need to get going on a bigger tire, bigger 
load bike. An awesome winter diversion (between commute legs). 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:24:54 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

  Joan:

  

 Thanks!  Did you see on Flickr that I broke down and gave my son Hank (you 
 met him in College Park) the SimpleOne?  His company has made provisions 
 for inside storage, so he’s off and running on daily 5 mile (one way) 
 commute.  Love to get together for a ride sometime when I’m down there 
 visiting with Hank.  And you need to get signed up for Riv Rally East!

  

 Tom

  

 *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Joan Oppel
 *Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:58 PM
 *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 *Subject:* Re: RE: [RBW] Re: Marginally OT

  
  
 Tom - congratulations!  That is an amazing bike, and an amazing experience 
 (we talked about it a little when you visited for Grant's visit).  Very 
 impressive.  It must be thrilling to ride a bike you made yourself.  Thanks 
 for all the different angle pictures
  
 Joan 
  
 PS - I share your enthusiasm for Hetres.  Got my first flat in over 2 
 years/3,000 miles about 2 weeks ago.  Their versatility is outstanding.  
  
  
  
  
  
 On 10/16/12, Allingham II, Thomas Jthomas.a...@skadden.com javascript: 
 wrote:
  
  
   
 It was fantastic.  Mike is a great teacher, and a master builder, and a 
 great guy, too.  I wasn’t particularly gifted at welding, but he walks you 
 carefully through the process, and it’s a fair statement to say that I 
 built the frame (with indispensable help from Mike).  A couple of times 
 when I burned through a tube at the joint, he simply saddles up the torch 
 and repairs the hole so it barely showed, and was invisible (to me, anyway) 
 after filing.   It’s truly a soup to nuts experience – in the A.N.T Bike 
 and Camp set on my stream, you can see a pic of the pile of tubes that 
 became my bike, and a lot of pics of steps along the way.

  

 The cost is high ($3,000 for the week, including great lunches!), but in 
 my mind totally worth it, and if you want to keep building, Mike is 
 extremely generous with post-class support.  And, of course, you end up 
 with your very own custom A.N.T. bike!

  

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 It's beautiful.
  
  
  
 Would love to hear more about the experience of building the frame too!
  
  
  
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[RBW] Re: FS: various wheels

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Schmidt/Dyad wheel is SOLD.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:29:58 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:

 I have lots of wheels that I'm not using anymore. All are handbuilt by me. 
 Please contact offlist if interested.

 White Industries Eccentric ENO fix/free 135 mm 36h on Dyad rim, Wheelsmith 
 14g spokes, all silver. Used but good condition. $195 shipped. Includes 
 White Industries 15t fixed cog and lockring. I have other White Industries 
 fixed cogs for it, too, which I will sell separately. These cogs are 
 beautifully made and a proprietary design, which is, IMO, the most smartly 
 designed fixed-cog attachment system available.

 Schmidt SON28 (classic style) 36h on Dyad. All silver. The rim is 
 somewhat worn on the brake surface, but is perfectly true and has a fair 
 bit of life left in it. $195 shipped. Matching front to the ENO wheel above.

 Shimano XT M775 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim and hub are 
 black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 mm disc 
 rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. This is one of the lighter-weight 
 metal 29 rear wheels you'll find. $170 shipped

 Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim and 
 hub are black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 mm 
 disc rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. $170 shipped. Matches the XT 
 wheel above. Discount of $30 if you buy the set.

 Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h on 26 Alex Adventurer. Hub is black. Rim 
 is black with machined sidewall. Silver Wheelsmith 14g spokes. Used, but 
 barely. $160 shipped.

 Shimano Deore front hub 36h radially laced to Velocity Aerohead 700C 28h. 
 Unorthodox 36h/28h hub/rim pairing, but works fine. All silver. Like new. A 
 very lightweight front wheel. $100 shipped.

 Shimano XM M775 36h laced to Sun Ringle EQ31 26 disc-only rim. This is a 
 heavy-duty rear wheel suitable for loaded touring or other abusive 
 practices. Includes SRAM 990 11-32 cassette and disc rotor. Used, but good 
 condition. $185 shipped.


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[RBW] Re: FS: various wheels

[Joe Bernard]

Its ENO twin is 700c, correct?
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:26:18 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
Cyclery wrote:

 Schmidt/Dyad wheel is SOLD.

 On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:29:58 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
 Cyclery wrote:

 I have lots of wheels that I'm not using anymore. All are handbuilt by 
 me. Please contact offlist if interested.

 White Industries Eccentric ENO fix/free 135 mm 36h on Dyad rim, 
 Wheelsmith 14g spokes, all silver. Used but good condition. $195 shipped. 
 Includes White Industries 15t fixed cog and lockring. I have other White 
 Industries fixed cogs for it, too, which I will sell separately. These cogs 
 are beautifully made and a proprietary design, which is, IMO, the most 
 smartly designed fixed-cog attachment system available.

 Schmidt SON28 (classic style) 36h on Dyad. All silver. The rim is 
 somewhat worn on the brake surface, but is perfectly true and has a fair 
 bit of life left in it. $195 shipped. Matching front to the ENO wheel above.

 Shimano XT M775 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim and hub are 
 black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 mm disc 
 rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. This is one of the lighter-weight 
 metal 29 rear wheels you'll find. $170 shipped

 Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim 
 and hub are black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 
 mm disc rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. $170 shipped. Matches the 
 XT wheel above. Discount of $30 if you buy the set.

 Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h on 26 Alex Adventurer. Hub is black. Rim 
 is black with machined sidewall. Silver Wheelsmith 14g spokes. Used, but 
 barely. $160 shipped.

 Shimano Deore front hub 36h radially laced to Velocity Aerohead 700C 28h. 
 Unorthodox 36h/28h hub/rim pairing, but works fine. All silver. Like new. A 
 very lightweight front wheel. $100 shipped.

 Shimano XM M775 36h laced to Sun Ringle EQ31 26 disc-only rim. This is a 
 heavy-duty rear wheel suitable for loaded touring or other abusive 
 practices. Includes SRAM 990 11-32 cassette and disc rotor. Used, but good 
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's up with the Homer blue?

[Joe Bernard]

Seconded on '90 MB-2. A friend of mine had one years ago, and I always 
deeply lusted after that bike. Gorgeous color. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:25:01 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

  The original blue is my favorite blue on a bike. Subtly different from 
 the Ram blue, but so much better.

  

 Blues that are almost as good as the original AHH blue:

  

 The current Sam Blue

 The 1990 MB-2 Blue

  


 -Original Message- 
 From: Joe Bernard 
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 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: What's up with the Homer blue? 

 You're seeing two diffrerent colors. The current model has a light blue, 
 similar to what was almost the standard color on the original Riv Road back 
 in the day. Older Homers were a darker blue. Grant has stated that the 
 shade may change from time to time, but AHH will always come stock with 
 blue.
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:15:13 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

  Looky here. maybe lighting differences?
  

  
 https://www.google.com/search?q=homer+hilsenhl=enprmd=imvnsotbm=ischtbo=usource=univsa=Xei=zjt_UI_yDcT30gHuloGICAved=0CCMQsAQbiw=1252bih=586

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Re: [RBW] What's up with the Homer blue?

[Rex Kerr]

When I bought mine there were two colors of blue in stock. They explained
to me that the darker blue came from the Japanese builder and the lighter
blue came from Waterford.  Not being a fan of the lighter blue I went with
a custom color, though I would have stayed with the stock color had it been
the darker blue.


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 Seems like alot of pics have different shades of blue for the Homers. Have
 they changed periodically? Some look Robin's egg blue. Some darker.

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[RBW] Re: FS: various wheels

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Yes, the ENO/Dyad is 700C. 

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:27:44 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Its ENO twin is 700c, correct?
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:26:18 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
 Cyclery wrote:

 Schmidt/Dyad wheel is SOLD.

 On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 3:29:58 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha 
 Cyclery wrote:

 I have lots of wheels that I'm not using anymore. All are handbuilt by 
 me. Please contact offlist if interested.

 White Industries Eccentric ENO fix/free 135 mm 36h on Dyad rim, 
 Wheelsmith 14g spokes, all silver. Used but good condition. $195 shipped. 
 Includes White Industries 15t fixed cog and lockring. I have other White 
 Industries fixed cogs for it, too, which I will sell separately. These cogs 
 are beautifully made and a proprietary design, which is, IMO, the most 
 smartly designed fixed-cog attachment system available.

 Schmidt SON28 (classic style) 36h on Dyad. All silver. The rim is 
 somewhat worn on the brake surface, but is perfectly true and has a fair 
 bit of life left in it. $195 shipped. Matching front to the ENO wheel above.

 Shimano XT M775 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim and hub are 
 black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 mm disc 
 rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. This is one of the lighter-weight 
 metal 29 rear wheels you'll find. $170 shipped

 Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h Sun-Ringle 29 EQ23 disc-only rim. Rim 
 and hub are black, spokes are silver Wheelsmith double-butted. Includes 160 
 mm disc rotor and Stan's rim tape. Lightly used. $170 shipped. Matches the 
 XT wheel above. Discount of $30 if you buy the set.

 Shimano Alfine front dynamo 32h on 26 Alex Adventurer. Hub is black. 
 Rim is black with machined sidewall. Silver Wheelsmith 14g spokes. Used, 
 but barely. $160 shipped.

 Shimano Deore front hub 36h radially laced to Velocity Aerohead 700C 
 28h. Unorthodox 36h/28h hub/rim pairing, but works fine. All silver. Like 
 new. A very lightweight front wheel. $100 shipped.

 Shimano XM M775 36h laced to Sun Ringle EQ31 26 disc-only rim. This is 
 a heavy-duty rear wheel suitable for loaded touring or other abusive 
 practices. Includes SRAM 990 11-32 cassette and disc rotor. Used, but good 
 condition. $185 shipped.



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Re: [RBW] A very custom Rivendell

[Leslie]

Check the Blug... Nobilette built it...

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Re: [RBW] A very custom Rivendell

[Peter Morgano]

Just waiting for the short person with a pretty long torso who also loves
pink.  I personally love the color, I think bikes can get away with pinks
and purples and other colors that cars cannot.

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 Check the Blug... Nobilette built it...

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Re: [RBW] A very custom Rivendell

[Joe Bernard]

I love the color, too, but I'm not brave enough to *ride *it that way. It's 
actually a really good fit for me. Low standover, with a long toptube for a 
Bosco Bar, would be a perfect city cruiser. I like the Paul braze-ons and 
650 wheel-size, too, but money no-can-do, unfortunately. The 
buy-in-plus-repaint would have me in full custom price territory. Call me 
if the frame is still around next summer...
 
Joe I like dreamin'  Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:13:29 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Just waiting for the short person with a pretty long torso who also loves 
 pink.  I personally love the color, I think bikes can get away with pinks 
 and purples and other colors that cars cannot. 

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 Check the Blug... Nobilette built it...

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 60cm Quickbeam

[charlie]

Like this Simpleone ?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2522636031452set=a.2522635871448.2142301.1419870581type=3theater

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 8:19:10 AM UTC-7, sancruz wrote:

 Hey Riv owners, I'm desperately in search of a 60cm Quickbeam, and open to 
 any of the models (green, orange or silver).  Last week my wife and I made 
 the trip to Walnut Creek and were just blown away by the quality of the 
 products and friendly staff, and I now know it's time to finally own one!  

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[RBW] Bike Caricature

[Manuel Acosta]

Thought that this would be appropriate since we were both on a bike. The 
ladyfriend's sister is a talent artist. If you were wondering I'm the dark 
one with the muscles.

http://flic.kr/p/dkEvU3

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[RBW] Re: Marginally OT NOW: Riv Rally East?????

[Joan Oppel]

Did I miss something?? Is there a date/plan for the next Riv Rally East? I will definitely try to be there. JoanOn 10/17/12, ascpghasc@gmail.com wrote:Riv Rally East '13? Time to plan!!This might be the motivation I need to get going on a bigger tire, bigger load bike. An awesome winter diversion (between commute legs).Andy CheathamPittsburghOn Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:24:54 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:Joan:Thanks! Did you see on Flickr that I broke down and gave my son Hank (you met him in College Park) the SimpleOne? His company has made provisions for inside storage, so he’s off and running on daily 5 mile (one way) commute. Love to get together for a ride sometime when I’m down there visiting with Hank. And you need to get signed up for Riv Rally East!TomFrom: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Joan OppelSent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:58 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: RE: [RBW] Re: Marginally OTTom - congratulations! That is an amazing bike, and an amazing experience (we talked about it a little when you visited for Grant's visit). Very impressive. It must be thrilling to ride a bike you made yourself. Thanks for all the different angle picturesJoanPS - I share your enthusiasm for Hetres. Got my first flat in over 2 years/3,000 miles about 2 weeks ago. Their versatility is outstanding. On 10/16/12, Allingham II, Thomas Jthomas.a...@skadden.com wrote:It was fantastic. Mike is a great teacher, and a master builder, and a great guy, too. I wasn’t particularly gifted at welding, but he walks you carefully through the process, and it’s a fair statement to say that I built the frame (with indispensable help from Mike). A couple of times when I burned through a tube at the joint, he simply saddles up the torch and repairs the hole so it barely showed, and was invisible (to me, anyway) after filing. It’s truly a soup to nuts experience – in the A.N.T Bike and Camp set on my stream, you can see a pic of the pile of tubes that became my bike, and a lot of pics of steps along the way.The cost is high ($3,000 for the week, including great lunches!), but in my mind totally worth it, and if you want to keep building, Mike is extremely generous with post-class support. And, of course, you end up with your very own custom A.N.T. bike!From:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-...@googlegroups.com]On Behalf OfZackSent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:36 AMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Marginally OTIt's beautiful.Would love to hear more about the experience of building the frame too!--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/GYNg5k1Rd8sJ.To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.--To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein.This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof.Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request.==--You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.To post to this group, send 

Re: [RBW] Bike Caricature

[Dave]

This is just too good!

On 10/17/2012 8:17 PM, Manuel Acosta wrote:
Thought that this would be appropriate since we were both on a bike. 
The ladyfriend's sister is a talent artist. If you were wondering I'm 
the dark one with the muscles.


http://flic.kr/p/dkEvU3

Check the rest of her work here.

http://erinleong.blogspot.com/



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Re: [RBW] Re: Marginally OT NOW: Riv Rally East?????

[Dave]

May I suggest to those interested in the shift of topic to start a new 
threat specific to Riv Rally East?  This is how things spin off topic 
into the ridiculous.  A lot of people read this stuff, but it only 
applies to a small number of members.


(just a suggestion)

Dave

On 10/17/2012 8:18 PM, Joan Oppel wrote:
Did I miss something??  Is there a date/plan for the next Riv Rally 
East?  I will definitely try to be there.

Joan
On 10/17/12, ascpghasc@gmail.com wrote:
Riv Rally East '13? Time  to plan!!

This might be the motivation I need to get going on a bigger tire, 
bigger load bike. An awesome winter diversion (between commute legs).


Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:24:54 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:

Joan:

Thanks! Did you see on Flickr that I broke down and gave my son
Hank (you met him in College Park) the SimpleOne?  His company has
made provisions for inside storage, so he’s off and running on
daily 5 mile (one way) commute.  Love to get together for a ride
sometime when I’m down there visiting with Hank.  And you need to
get signed up for Riv Rally East!

Tom

*From:*rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com http://javascript:
[mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com http://javascript:]*On
Behalf Of *Joan Oppel
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 4:58 PM
*To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com http://javascript:
*Subject:* Re: RE: [RBW] Re: Marginally OT

Tom - congratulations!  That is an amazing bike, and an amazing
experience (we talked about it a little when you visited for
Grant's visit).  Very impressive.  It must be thrilling to ride a
bike you made yourself.  Thanks for all the different angle pictures

Joan

PS - I share your enthusiasm for Hetres.  Got my first flat in
over 2 years/3,000 miles about 2 weeks ago.  Their versatility is
outstanding.

On 10/16/12, Allingham II, Thomas Jthomas.a...@skadden.com
http://javascript: wrote:

It was fantastic.  Mike is a great teacher, and a master builder,
and a great guy, too.  I wasn’t particularly gifted at welding,
but he walks you carefully through the process, and it’s a fair
statement to say that I built the frame (with indispensable help
from Mike).  A couple of times when I burned through a tube at the
joint, he simply saddles up the torch and repairs the hole so it
barely showed, and was invisible (to me, anyway) after filing.  
It’s truly a soup to nuts experience – in the A.N.T Bike and Camp

set on my stream, you can see a pic of the pile of tubes that
became my bike, and a lot of pics of steps along the way.

The cost is high ($3,000 for the week, including great lunches!),
but in my mind totally worth it, and if you want to keep building,
Mike is extremely generous with post-class support.  And, of
course, you end up with your very own custom A.N.T. bike!

*From:*rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com http://javascript:
[mailto:rbw-...@googlegroups.com http://javascript:]*On Behalf
Of*Zack
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 10:36 AM
*To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com http://javascript:
*Subject:* [RBW] Re: Marginally OT

It's beautiful.

Would love to hear more about the experience of building the frame
too!

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[RBW] Tan sackville's

[Michael_S]

Included in email update today. Been hoping for another color besides the 
olive. Tan works for me one small trunksack in tan Please!

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FSA Metropolis 2-Speed Interal-Geared Crankset

[Montclair BobbyB]

Philip:

That's exactly what I'd do, too (but I'd probably throw in a woob woob 
woob...).  Seriously, I'd expect the wheel speed wouldn't change with the 
shift, so the crank rotation would instantly accelerate... But if your feet 
are firmly strapped in and you offer some leg resistance (assuming your 
legs aren't ripped from your body) I'd imagine the tires might make a noise 
similar to jet landing gear hitting the runway.

In the name of science, man you've GOT to test this!!!  Please just 
make sure to film it for YouTube...  

Don't mind me... it's late and I'm delirious.. 

Peace,
Bobby

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 2:37:29 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 Bobby - I don't know. I think I'd just sit on the seat and take my feet 
 off the pedals, brake, and shift back into the harder gear in order to slow 
 the pedals down enough to re-engage. The scenario is frailin' down a hill 
 in top gear, then dropping (accidentally) into low gear, right?

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com

 On Monday, October 15, 2012 4:50:45 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 Philip:

 I'm curious... When you're flying along at a pretty good clip (in 3rd 
 gear, fixie mode) and you're wheel is spinning at, say 120+ rpm, and you 
 downshift to second gear, does your cadence abruptly accelerate to the 
 point of wanting to toss you over the bars, or is it relatively smooth?  I 
 would think that might put an awful strain on the internal gearing... 
 What's it like?  (I submitted a question to Sam Patterson, developer of the 
 Metropolis crankset, asking whether I can ride it in fixie mode... haven't 
 received his reply yet.)

 BB



 On Monday, October 15, 2012 7:13:49 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote:

 I have an S3X wheel that's about to go back into service. I like it. You 
 can also slide two splined cogs on for a dingle setup on the 3sp fixed IGH. 
 Conceivably you could have a low range and a high range. I had that setup, 
 but changed out the cranks before I actually used the low gear range. 

 Thanks for reminding me, I think I may set that up this time around 
 again. I may be in the market for an inexpensive double crankset, then...

 Philip
 www.biketinker.com


 On Monday, October 15, 2012 11:25:49 AM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 I haven't tried the S3X yet, but it sure looks like a cool idea.  I run 
 a flip-flop hub, so with the Metropolis I can have a choice of FW or Fixed 
 (pretty much on-demand), as long as I carry my 15mm wrench for the rear 
 wheel nut.

 Eric, you can slightly feel the gears working in high gear (a kind of 
 ratchety feel; not necessarily fragile, but... different). I still have an 
 innate fear of destroying the innerds of my IG hubs... something I 
 probably 
 need to get over... I haven't really stomped on the pedals yet. FSA 
 warrants the crankset for 2 years, but apparently not for mountain bike 
 use. (Don't know whether it's due to the extra gunk or extra stress). Only 
 time will tell.

 BB

 On Monday, October 15, 2012 12:18:45 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Forgot to add as usual: you can thread either a fixed cog or a 
 freewheel onto the hub driver, so it also gives you a choice. 

 On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:17 AM, PATRICK MOORE bert...@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
  What's wrong with this? 
 http://www.sturmey-archer.com/products/hubs/cid/3/id/47 
  
  On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Colin Bortner colin@gmail.com 
 wrote: 
  Awesome! 
  
  If the FSA doesn't work out fixed, but you fall in love with the 
 idea 
  of a two-speed fixed-gear, Schlumpf's cranks were redesigned a few 
  years ago to be fixed-gear compatible: 
  http://www.haberstock-mobility.com/en/products/schlumpf-drive.html 
  
  Overview Schlumpf-for-fixed from German Bedovelo: 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHeVme8Bmgc 
  
  Looking forward to updates on the Metropolis! 
  
  
  On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Montclair BobbyB 
  montcla...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Yes, I'm seriously considering it... although I wonder whether it 
 would 
  trash the internals... (but in the name of science, I feel it's my 
  obligation to try...)  BB 
  
  
  On Monday, October 15, 2012 9:02:08 AM UTC-4, David Spranger 
 wrote: 
  
  Nice! I got two speeds out of my SimpleOne by using a SRAM 
 Automatix 2 
  speed hub with which I have been very satisfied at approximately 
 6000 mostly 
  commuting miles. Your solution has one distinct advantage in that 
 you could 
  do a two speed fixed gear if you wished. 
  
  David 
  Charlotte, NC 
  
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Re: [RBW] FSA Metropolis 2-Speed Interal-Geared Crankset

[campyonlyguy]

If you're talking about the S3X hub, then the answer is yes--If you're riding 
in cruising (3rd) gear at a reasonable speed and downshift on the fly to 2nd 
gear, your cadence immediately increases. Basically the same as downshifting a 
manual transmission car--the engine revs up in the lower gear to catch up with 
the speed of the car. It's not quite the same as shifting a standard 
(freewheeling) IGH, where the ability to coast hides the abruptness of the 
shift.

Question is why you would downshift like that ... In my experience, the only 
time you'll need to downshift an S3X is because you're going slow and/or 
approaching an incline. Shifting to a lower gear at speed on the flats wouldn't 
make any sense.

--Eric

On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Philip:
 
 I'm curious... When you're flying along at a pretty good clip (in 3rd gear, 
 fixie mode) and you're wheel is spinning at, say 120+ rpm, and you downshift 
 to second gear, does your cadence abruptly accelerate to the point of wanting 
 to toss you over the bars, or is it relatively smooth?  I would think that 
 might put an awful strain on the internal gearing... What's it like?  (I 
 submitted a question to Sam Patterson, developer of the Metropolis crankset, 
 asking whether I can ride it in fixie mode... haven't received his reply yet.)
 
 BB

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Re: [RBW] FSA Metropolis 2-Speed Interal-Geared Crankset

[Joe Bernard]

Well, on a freewheel geared bike I downshift before the hill starts so I 
have a rapid spin going into the incline. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

On Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:41:18 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:

 If you're talking about the S3X hub, then the answer is yes--If you're 
 riding in cruising (3rd) gear at a reasonable speed and downshift on the 
 fly to 2nd gear, your cadence immediately increases. Basically the same as 
 downshifting a manual transmission car--the engine revs up in the lower 
 gear to catch up with the speed of the car. It's not quite the same as 
 shifting a standard (freewheeling) IGH, where the ability to coast hides 
 the abruptness of the shift.

 Question is why you would downshift like that ... In my experience, the 
 only time you'll need to downshift an S3X is because you're going slow 
 and/or approaching an incline. Shifting to a lower gear at speed on the 
 flats wouldn't make any sense.

 --Eric

 On Oct 17, 2012, at 9:27 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
 montcla...@gmail.comjavascript: 
 wrote:

 Philip:

 I'm curious... When you're flying along at a pretty good clip (in 3rd 
 gear, fixie mode) and you're wheel is spinning at, say 120+ rpm, and you 
 downshift to second gear, does your cadence abruptly accelerate to the 
 point of wanting to toss you over the bars, or is it relatively smooth?  I 
 would think that might put an awful strain on the internal gearing... 
 What's it like?  (I submitted a question to Sam Patterson, developer of the 
 Metropolis crankset, asking whether I can ride it in fixie mode... haven't 
 received his reply yet.)

 BB




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